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so what do you think of his play?In post 97, Hermy wrote:I've got plenty of examples of Skelda play, if anyone wants it.
Most of them are off quicker paced games (on a different forum) (weekend-long) though. Don't know whether that makes a difference.-
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like or dislike has nothing to do with it...In post 133, Broken Aquarium wrote:You just don't like me .-
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no, no theory...dream on... but I am doing what I do...In post 135, Garmr wrote:omg are we finally going to see peace in action. Is he going to provide a theroy. I'm getting excited-
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day one is not hard... what day 2 is like depends...In post 176, Garmr wrote:Hey peace i know day 1 can be hard but what's your day 2 like just curious.-
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all that said, this pretty much is my last game obligation on sight then I am out of hear as this obsession with explanations and blah blah blah BS really does not pertain to finding scum, just a lot of noise imo. I also do not like revealing what I am thinking. It does not mesh with how the game Is played here. But I am not going start throwing out reasons when I do not necessarily have one. votes to me are a tool. Once I give a reason I am pretty much bound to zero in on that. FYI- initial vote on Gamer was because of our "differences" the vote even on hoying or whatever the guys names is was going opposite just cause. However, the posts recently and "reasons" suggested recently make sense so there is actual reason beyond the fact I don't like him.
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oh I am not dumb, go look at the completed game Chef Mafia... I am been playing how I play for over a decade. However, the way things play here is antithesis to how I know to play.In post 298, mozamis wrote:
Policy lynch time. He's obviously not interested in playing. And yes, I think he's probably town. Though there is the small chance he could be playing "too dumb to be scum" as well. But either way, he's not gonna help town win.In post 282, PeaceBringer wrote:good lord there has been no real posting or engagement...nothing to really say anything more about...
VOTE PEACEBRINGER.
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bull puckey- sheeping is null... in fact all this stuff listed in null and just bad blah blah blah... and seeing how it is garmr, yup, scummy statement.In post 322, Garmr wrote:Broken we have been over this a thousand times. Sheeping with out clarifying why you agree is bad. Your defensive reaction after JKLM voted you was bad and you ignoring arguments as defense is bad. If your town your playing it in a very anti town way.-
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want my history. Back in 2002-2003 the game Werewolf was introduced over at http://www.footballguys.net. I started playing there, found this site as a result, tried playing games here. I stayed for 2 years. Back then the "site meta" was basically do not say squat. I had some other issues and got fed up and left in 2005. I still play at a private site derivated off of footballguys http://www.packmentality.net. I play "mafia" for a couple years at goalline blitz before it faded there. I know Jake from State Farm from there, came back to play with him. However, running into a site culture and style of play that is the antithesis to how I play. Most recent game at footballguys is http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/in ... ry16018566 and you read it you will find night and day differences in culture of play.In post 326, Broken Aquarium wrote:how do you know to play? (curious)-
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yup. That is more in line with what I am used to. Although I am not even talking about huge ass cases, just the obsession with having a "reason" for everything and expressing the reason. Once I out something I am looking at and use as a reason it's usefulness is shot... I am more game to game, reaction to reaction and does it seem consistent. Sometimes I get it right, other times wrong.In post 331, Broken Aquarium wrote:
i took at look at the last link. it seems more ..like, one liner posts? i guess you would sayIn post 329, PeaceBringer wrote:
want my history. Back in 2002-2003 the game Werewolf was introduced over at http://www.footballguys.net. I started playing there, found this site as a result, tried playing games here. I stayed for 2 years. Back then the "site meta" was basically do not say squat. I had some other issues and got fed up and left in 2005. I still play at a private site derivated off of footballguys http://www.packmentality.net. I play "mafia" for a couple years at goalline blitz before it faded there. I know Jake from State Farm from there, came back to play with him. However, running into a site culture and style of play that is the antithesis to how I play. Most recent game at footballguys is http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/in ... ry16018566 and you read it you will find night and day differences in culture of play.In post 326, Broken Aquarium wrote:how do you know to play? (curious)
here's an example of off site stuff i'm used to: http://talkrational.org/showthread.php?t=52254
it's somewhat the same... or seems to be. days are at most 48 hours long, and it's a lot of posting IRT and getting a sense of the people you are posting with. rather than, making huge ass cases. making huge ass cases, seems like it makes it easier for scum to hide, actually. even, any scum, can look town, when they have the time to find flaws in a townies actions and reference this or that, to make it seem like they've found something.
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And Garmr, you are the one bringing out of game stuff into this game. I am playing the game as is. And while I do not like you it has no impact on the bearing of the game, whereas your personal perspective on how I play is. I am not playing to "spite" you. I am playing because it is the right thing to do. But keep on bringing your perspective that is beyond the scope of game.-
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then replace yourself out...In post 341, Garmr wrote:You've already admitted to it and if she doesn't force replace you I'm going to replace myself out.-
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See, my voting you RVS and because I do not like you is no different then any other RVS. I am not seeking to push a lynch on vendetta or grudge. In fact, my going the current wagon has nothing to do with that, the fact you want to make it about differences is actually a scummy move. Oh and going opposite of you before you showed yourself to exhibit more scummy behavior is also not "outside" the game matters. Your obsession on "play style" that you are hiding behind is. Also, your comment on "playing to win condition" is a matter of perspective. I am playing to eliminate scum. See chef mafia for comparison in terms of a finished game where I played how I play as town and town won.-
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voting opposite you isn't spite. I do not trust your take, going opposite, is simply just that. No spite. There is lack of trust and you have not displayed any reason I should trust you. Period.In post 344, Garmr wrote:You voted honig just to make the opposite point to me how is that not playing to spite me.-
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I have not ruined any game. My behavior is not anti town, it is just not playing the way you do. I have stated my perspective straight up. Leave the game. I have done nothing untoward. in fact in games I have observed seen far worse... so you don't want to play with me, leave the game.In post 347, Garmr wrote:No peace your not making up some bs reason to your posts. They were def anti town and spiteful I'm not having you ruin another game.-
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so now you are mentioning un-completed games, site policy holds regardless of whether someone replaced out.In post 350, Garmr wrote:Peace mini 1499 that's all-
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yes, that does fit. There are certainly personality types where reason is important. Those more on the Judging end of things from a myers briggs side of things may actually get into all that and I understand that. I am a hard Intuitive. SO often times I do not even know what the reason is. I get that "scum" try and be logically consistent. See where I come from Scum try and look good, town does not give a rip how they look by and large. And folks that are either wildly inconsistent or have minor variances in play are hardest to read by and large and sometimes getting at the emotion or getting the reaction gets the cracks and such. And looking for emotional consistency can be tough, as with anything else. Things like this are why sometimes I can narrow in and be dead accurate and other times stone cold because you also have to add in individual differences.In post 352, Broken Aquarium wrote:
i can see that, cause when you use a reason.... it allows for others to break it down. when sometimes it's just gut. and picking it apart, is still something scum can do.In post 335, PeaceBringer wrote:
yup. That is more in line with what I am used to. Although I am not even talking about huge ass cases, just the obsession with having a "reason" for everything and expressing the reason. Once I out something I am looking at and use as a reason it's usefulness is shot... I am more game to game, reaction to reaction and does it seem consistent. Sometimes I get it right, other times wrong.In post 331, Broken Aquarium wrote:
i took at look at the last link. it seems more ..like, one liner posts? i guess you would sayIn post 329, PeaceBringer wrote:
want my history. Back in 2002-2003 the game Werewolf was introduced over at http://www.footballguys.net. I started playing there, found this site as a result, tried playing games here. I stayed for 2 years. Back then the "site meta" was basically do not say squat. I had some other issues and got fed up and left in 2005. I still play at a private site derivated off of footballguys http://www.packmentality.net. I play "mafia" for a couple years at goalline blitz before it faded there. I know Jake from State Farm from there, came back to play with him. However, running into a site culture and style of play that is the antithesis to how I play. Most recent game at footballguys is http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/in ... ry16018566 and you read it you will find night and day differences in culture of play.In post 326, Broken Aquarium wrote:how do you know to play? (curious)
here's an example of off site stuff i'm used to: http://talkrational.org/showthread.php?t=52254
it's somewhat the same... or seems to be. days are at most 48 hours long, and it's a lot of posting IRT and getting a sense of the people you are posting with. rather than, making huge ass cases. making huge ass cases, seems like it makes it easier for scum to hide, actually. even, any scum, can look town, when they have the time to find flaws in a townies actions and reference this or that, to make it seem like they've found something.
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(not sure if that's what you mean exactly). but that''s what i find.
actually..chamber was saying earlier to me... that 'scum try to be logically consistent... whereas town, are emotionally consistent'
i thought that seemed pretty realistic. but, that looking for emotional consistency, can be somewhat hard-
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not sure I see it- will take another look...In post 357, Broken Aquarium wrote:
you are scumIn post 337, mnemonicdevice wrote:
Gamr has a great point in 311. No sense in repeating it.In post 310, Broken Aquarium wrote:I think you are scum. I have no need to defend against you unless others are actually taking your post seriously. And god help me if the town is that bad.
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INTP with a heavy N and everything else borderlineIn post 364, Broken Aquarium wrote:
me too!In post 362, Garmr wrote:If your going to use use the myer briggs personality type thing I'm INFP.
do this. it's just a silly game. hope you feel betterI am still pissed but I may of over reacted. I have had a pretty shit day with my gf breaking up with me and shit. So I'm going to take a break and calm down a bit.-
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also surprised to hear that from garmr... given the play, but not going down that road...In post 364, Broken Aquarium wrote:
me too!In post 362, Garmr wrote:If your going to use use the myer briggs personality type thing I'm INFP.
do this. it's just a silly game. hope you feel betterI am still pissed but I may of over reacted. I have had a pretty shit day with my gf breaking up with me and shit. So I'm going to take a break and calm down a bit.-
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heh, I meant S not J... at any rate the "S" side is really conducive to the site culture... it is not me...In post 369, killerjester wrote:Personality testing now? ESTP-
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hmm that is really interestingIn post 380, mnemonicdevice wrote:I don't understand most of the arguement between Gamr and Peace, they both have seperate play styles; So what. I really like a Broken aquarium lynch still. For reasons untold-
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read over his ISO... he strangley and oddly kept using the word "interesting" multiple times and comes off as tellish to me.In post 414, projectmatt wrote:If any player here can actually give me a compelling reason as to why MD is scum then I'll switch merrily. But I can't find one. If anyone can tell me why Broken Aquarium is scum for unvoting MD when MD hasn't really scumtold, then I'll listen.
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it was not observed by me previously or looking over his interactions elsewhereIn post 432, JKLM wrote:Nah he just says intersting all the time, it's his thing-
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that is just stupid...In post 433, alienBRO wrote:Hey guys, quick update from me.
I haven't actually read anything from my last post (ie, second to last post from this account). PA's kept me updated on stuff, but I'll be catching up some time tomorrow.
And I'd prefer no lynching until Rach does more than just post reads because I have a good amount of experience with her scumgame.
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let me put it this way, when you are holding back, trying to look good you may be prone to using certain things. way back years ago when scum I had a tendency to use the word "gee". It was a tell, it was subconscious. Later, someone pointed out I still had a tendency to use a "gee" ton without the "gee", still a tell. MD's posts came off like that to me. Especially the high # of times he actually used the word interesting.In post 438, JKLM wrote:No but I'm pretty sure he uses passive tone Atleast
I'm not sure how that's a scum tell but I also think it would be convenient if him and BA were both scum, I don't protect anyone, so don't try to spin it that way.
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I did not say he used it in past. I said it was used here. In fact a skim over his posts shows no other obsessive use of the word.In post 442, JKLM wrote:No wait peace bringer has a point, if at one point that used to be a tell early on it still could be a more subtle tell today.
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Sure, there is a chance he is not scum and as claimed. Here is the deal, he claimed town. However his behavior is sketchy and only way anyone knows for sure is to get the flip. Oh, and as to who fumbles what, that is all WIFOM. Fumbling can be faked, or even a genuine misunderstanding of something twisted for the circumstance. Not going to know until the flip.In post 489, RachMarie wrote:I am not saying anything about other reasons peeps are voting for him I am just saying based on the claim I dont buy into KJs adamant avowal that it is clearly a scum fake claim because see how he messed it up. My esperience has been scum are less likely to fumble than town. As in the example I posted.-
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It is not use of the particular word, it is what an individual may do or say when trying to appear town while scum. The posts have a certain feel to them. Can it be wrong, sure. Only way we find out is to get the flip.In post 507, Skelda wrote:
And how is that a scumtell? And how is that any worse than me saying honestly?In post 495, Broken Aquarium wrote:
when he says it without really meaning anything... it's weird.In post 441, Skelda wrote:How on earth is saying interesting a scumtell? I agree, I want MD to nameclaim and he deserves votes until he does, but is saying interesting really a great case against him? Does that seem like something scum would be more likely to say?
remember here: http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p5346524 (unvote for no reason)... what is interesting?
and http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 8#p5344378
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no it is not like a witch trial. Each piece of information gives more to work with. Either he is scum or not. There are people I view as town and can trust and then there are others. And guess what, this game is a "scum hunt" and you find out where things are. Removal from the game is not a big deal as it gives more information. I believe he is scum, but if not, not a big deal as it gives more information to sort the game. And basically it is what everyone does. Um, scum, not scum. If wrong then oops. It is the game. You suggest that there is any other dynamic to this, really?In post 509, mozamis wrote:Problem with your approach Peace is that it's like a witch trial. "The only way to find out is if we lynch him...aaaaaaah shit he WAS innocent, oh well, can't be helped".
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and how can you trust that he is town... you cannot. We have so many scum, so any power roles. Most people start the game with limited information. As go, collect information. Any non-lynch of scum is still a piece of information that can be sorted and narrow down where scum went or not and how they reacted around said player. It is all more information. Where I come from, "vanilla" claims standing is considered really unwise cause that gives scum chances to hide in such claims as well. The strategies and thoughts can vary, sure. But you take simply put a spin to something. let me ask you this moz, are you so dead certain of MD that you would let him continue to linger and hang around to end game, seriously?In post 511, mozamis wrote:If he is town, it is a problem. I'd like Peace to respond to my point.-
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Um, this is mafia. The burdern of proof is on whoever is suspect to convince others to trust them, especially if town. If not they should be lynched. MD did nothing to give any confidence level that he is as he says. This is not a court of law, people are not innocent until proven guilty. This is the game mafia. It is not about fair, it is about who is scum and who is not. No one goes to prison, they get removed from the game. People who are not scum get removed from the game, it happens. It is the game. I am not a "reads" and "reasons" person. His response to ther run up skaky. He needs to go and then sort it out.In post 515, mozamis wrote:
This is bad. The burden of proof is not on me to prove him innocent. It on those that are voting for him to make a case as to his guilt. Otherwise, a nonsense situation develops whereby if you are town, you lynch anyone beacuse "They might be scum, I can't prove they are town".In post 513, PeaceBringer wrote:are you so dead certain of MD that you would let him continue to linger and hang around to end game, seriously?
My point was this: you don't seem that interested in giving the guy a fair trial. My concern is you're giving the impression of a man who is more interested in seeing a lynch than in finding scum. Apart from the fact that he said "interesting" (???), why do you think he is scum?-
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It is day 1, "great evidence" does not exist on anyone. Period.In post 518, Skelda wrote:
Mozamis, these were my reasons for him being scum. I'm not trying to give him an unfair trial, people are just focusing on the not great evidence.In post 492, Skelda wrote:
Sorry, just noticed this again (I was in a rush when I first saw it and didn't have time to post, and then forgot). So, he had some bad logic involving my use of the word honestly even though he later claimed that him saying interesting wasn't a scumtell when there was no difference, and that is pretty hypocritical and scummy. He refused and continues to refuse to explain his BA read and how he originally came to the conclusion that BA was the Ice Queen. His read on me changed without explanation, or he forgot about it, even though I was busy with life and just not posting, which shouldn't make him any less suspicious of me if it was genuine suspicion. And then he had that whole Named Townie claim, which came out poorly, so yes. That is why I'm voting for him still.In post 476, mozamis wrote:Skelda, give me YOUR case on MD.-
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mdIn post 525, JKLM wrote:And now we go back to the easy vote moz, although this time I'm not sure if it has good reason or not, it honestly could be 50/50.
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tell you what we lynch Rach Marie today and we will go hermy tomorrow...In post 632, projectmatt wrote:I am willing to one versus one. I am that confident. If Hermy flips town, I will willingly sacrifice myself.-
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PeaceBringer Posts Blindly
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Because I am fairly certain Rach Marie is scum. Same as why I woulda had Hermy as #2 yesterday. Rach is my # 1 suspect, period. There is nothing that has altered that. JK looks awfully scummy. killer jester is beginning to know as well.In post 703, mozamis wrote:Quick post pre-ciggy. Still keen on voting for JKLM. We need to be slight;y careful though as its only 5 to lynch. Rach I could go for I guess, although we need her to post more.
@Peace - why is JK your 2nd suspect?-
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yes. as been null, now lean BGish...In post 702, Garmr wrote:@Peace I can understand Jklm read and rach to, but what about killer jester. I think this is the first time you mentioned him?