Mini 1404 - Monopoly Mafia - Game Over

[Jal]

Safety and Guile I believe. Three cards. Assuming Medhi is right, two people had three cards. Lurker would have to be the one person other than me to have three, otherwise this doesn't make sense if we're incorrect about card distribution.

[Jal]

My basic point being someone should say if they had three cards yesterday.

[Jal]

I'm not one shot either. I'm permanent. I never said one shot. I already asked the mod at the beginning of the day concerning card powers and he said unless it says one shot then the card stays with you.

Monkey, have you asked the mod the question at least?

No quick hammers right now.

[Jal]

Did anyone actually lose cards last night? I was at first wondering if you used a card you would just lose it, but the mod implied that would only be the case if it is a one shot.

[Jal]

Why do you lack grade 1 reading comprehension?

Let me rephrase:

SINCE YOU STATED YOU GOT THE POWER AT NIGHT, THAT MEANS YOUR SLOT, YOU KNOW, AGENT IRELAND COULD HAVE USED THE CARD LAST NIGHT. YOU KNOW, THE PERSON WHO WASN'T REPLACED UNTIL EARLIER TODAY.

HAVE YOU ASKED THE MOD THE QUESTION YET.

[Jal]

Hup, *have grade 1

[Jal]

I'll let other people decide mass claim since I've practically done it myself.

Monkey, it reads to me like the mod forgot to send YOU the card, not the slot.

[Jal]

If there is some mod error instead, it needs to come out now.

[Jal]

Up to him? If he made an error then it's effecting game play right now. It's not really "up to him." Otherwise, I'm seeing you as either being a stubborn dolt regarding asking the mod or a liar regarding your cards.

[Jal]

I actually want a mock vig lynch please.

[Jal]

Okay, I am shooting from a list including all opposed with Mhork included no matter what.

[Jal]

Oh Jakey-pooh, you keep on acting like I care what you think about me. Sorry Jake, but I'm a lesbian.

I already made it clear who I think is scum and who I'll probably kill. I want others to indicate who they want.

If you think I am the SK, oh please vote for me and then we can have a lovely post-game laugh over how stupid you are. Unless you're scum and somehow accomplish a lynch on me (and you won't). Bravo.

[Jal]

You are really going to have to explain to me how you are voting Monkey over me while having this SK fetish for me since we are both claiming the same role.

[Jal]

For someone who just thinks this is teh interwebs, you sure do give a bunch of care by trying to be an internet tough guy. Grr grow a pair grr!!

You're like a little birdy trying to puff up to make themselves look bigger.



But you look so adorable doing it. I can't hate you Jake.

Just makes me want to hug you and squeeze you and call you George.

[Jal]

I already answered this one.

I already made it clear who I think is scum and who I'll probably kill.

I want to mainly know who people think is scum and should be shot.

How is town not sharing elementary crap going to hurt town, exactly? No one is willing to share crap all, and I seriously would not be surprised that at least one of the few who has shared their reads on anything concerning this is scum.

[Jal]

Keep up in reading the thread there champ, Safety. While you're at it, explain to me two scum (aka rest of scum team) claiming vigs.

Btw, people need to stop making lists of reads. Lists are the worst thing you can do as town IMO

There are people who don't actually want to share anything. Have you read anything of what Jake has said today at all?

A bunch of people are scummy as shit in this thread. You're doing what Uber deemed my "scum tell." Making a question out that makes the person look scummy. It's not a statement, so you aren't held as responsible for it, but it adds fuel to the fire and it's a shitty ass way to play if you're town.

If you're going to make the worst logical conclusions guys (CAN'T DO READS, THERE ARE TWO VIGS AND A SK, Y SHULD TOWN USE UP THEIR DAY?!) then look townie elsewhere, please. Jesus. I fucking have no town reads on any of you shitters because everyone is being anti-town and I am pretty sure I am being buddied by at least one scum.

[Jal]

Explain the changing read on Medhi, please Monkey.

[Jal]

And we aren't lynching Jake today.

[Jal]

Someone name me all the people who got day cards (deeds) right now. I forget who wrote the original post.

Jal, Monkey, Cheery, and Brawl. Anyone else for today?

[Jal]

I will follow the plan. Kill Mehdi if town, no one if scum.

I'm at odds with Monkey's slot a bit. He keeps mentioning three scum which is really weird.

Oh by the way, scum slips are mostly bull shit and those aren't scum slips. I have, as scum, accused town of scum slips to get them lynched. So did my partner. In a poly game, someone called their outed lover a "null" read with a hint of being scum earlier in a paragraph, indicating he might have been scum who hadn't paired off yet. Yeah, he was town.

[Jal]

His belief in three scum may be it bleh. I am put off by just about the entire town wanting to lynch him although his lack of responding for an entire day while posting in other threads makes me think scum.

To throw it out there, I was wondering who got the cards during the day to indicate if Cheery may have been lying about having three cards or someone was lying in general about receiving a card since it's mod confirmed Monkey did receive some card at the beginning of D1.

[Jal]

There is a whole part unbolded why I think he might otherwise be scum anyway. Dem reading skills, yo. I'm really not sure what his flip will be. I'm mostly fine with it because if he does flip town I vig Medhi and get that crap out of the way. Really hoping Medhi is scum if not Monkey because I'd hate to lose a player who is most active otherwise.

Also, there could be a lie in how many cards have been claimed. A lot of Cheery's claims are the lynch-pin to several things in this game.

[Jal]

Does a watcher watching count as a visit?

[Jal]

I didn't shoot last night. I went with the "scum" plan.

I think there is a grande possibility of having two scum left.

Let's start off: Was anyone role blocked?

[Jal]

Okay. Going to out.

I got the boardwalk card at the beginning of the day, meaning Brawl had it. My power got upgraded to "Vigilante" power role instead of being just a Vanilla Townie with cards (I assume).

Scum have their own factional kill.

[Jal]

Medhi - Just to clarify: Is your power the type that does not give information back to you?

[Jal]

Cheery, do you consider Monkey to be a scum lynch?

[Jal]

Cheery, why did you track Mhork?

I have no idea what you're trying to get Xis to answer, Mehdi.

[Jal]

TBG had no obvious power role and wasn't a very outspoken player yesterday. If Jake is town, the most practical route would have been going for Jake (who Safety listed as a scum read - why watch scum read) to get rid of a watcher.

Amazingly, every player who has died and looks like a scum kill points to you.

[Jal]

I really thought Jake was going to die tonight.

[Jal]

TBG didn't hold much weight and didn't have a PR. If I had the chance to go after a PR, I'd take it if I felt most of them are in town's hands.

Mhork is clearly not aligned with Medhi whatsoever (see how Medhi tried to counter-bandwagon Mhork D1), so that seems like a lame ass tracking target if you think Medhi is scum.

[Jal]

I don't see how

Safety

suspecting Jake in particular would be the reason to keep Jake alive. It's only the one reason Jake wouldn't be watched. Theoretically, scum already have a lynch lined up today - you. If you flip town or your lynch fails, then there's always Guille, Cheery, Xis, and Mhokrie-pie around that order depending on who is scum. Not many people have solid town reads floating around. There's a lot more suspicion than holding hands.

So Mehdi, who are your scum reads today?

[Jal]

You know who did suspect TBG? Cheery:

My votes would go to either Mehdi or Brawl as people I think are scum.
I'm also fine with you killing one of the people you indicated earlier, Neither Mhork or Xis have been appearing as town today as they were when I read day 1, but they both do still lean town for me from that.

Not only is Mhork very clearly not scum with you, I am very interested in why Cheery didn't go after his second biggest scum read.

[Jal]

That is irrelevant, and it ignores the second part of what I posted.

This:

And safety suspecting him vs I don't think anyone suspected tbg is a difference.

Also doesn't really deny or disprove how theoretically, scum should already have a lynch lined up with you. Hell, if scum really wanted to, why not roleblock Jake and kill Safety?

[Jal]

Even if there's a redirector, I think scum could have done a better job than kill TBG town-wise.

My cards upgraded me to PR vig instead of vanilla townie. Only one kill. Still have cards.

All these watcher roles bleh.

[Jal]

Safety, I have no clue other than if I flip I'll be "Town Vigwhatever." And that I get no extra kill except the one I had.

I want to know more of Mhork said as well as Mhork and Guille's opinion on this. Did Mhork tell you he was going to go somewhere?

[Jal]

Also, did they know who you were going to target?

[Jal]

The town plan had him targeting whoever he wanted and it becomes a bit weaker if he revealed so likely not.

Why are you answering for him all of today? That doesn't even answer my question whatsoever. Doesn't matter what the town had planned. It doesn't mean he didn't say anything in the neighborhood of some sort. How would you know what happened otherwise?

Cheery, just to clarify -what I mean in that question: did you say anything about your action last night? Did they help suggest some course of action for you?

P-edit: I really do think it's convenient also.

[Jal]

Although, he could have had some combination he never told us about.

[Jal]

For example, I have more powers than vigging.

[Jal]

I assumed he didn't say since it wouldn't be needed if the plan they told him to do involved him picking personally. I can answer him since I don't think he's scum so I don't think it hurts.

No, what you're doing is being a crappy anti-town player that doesn't let someone speak for themselves. Letting someone give their own information, can give town potentially more info and insight into a player's alignment they might not have given otherwise (intentional or not).

P-edit: I have powers concerning

light

green and railroads.

[Jal]

Light green is same as CD, which is why I thought Xis' push on him for that aspect was stupid. I gained 2 cards, one over night and one in the morning, one of which was a railroad which combined with the one I started with. Unless we are really going to full claim here, I'm a bit hesitant to claim what railroads do as I know I'm the only one who has more than one.

7 cards were distributed altogether. TBG had at least 4 last night and Monkey had 3.

P-Edit: That's not town thinking. Town > one individual player. Obviously not everyone has a town read on the Cheery slot - and they didn't yesterday. If it's not helping or hurting much (in your mind) then there is no point in doing it, especially after it has been brought up as a concern.

[Jal]

I have a pink card, but I have no powers. To be clear, I started the game off with a light green, a railroad, and a purple. I have 6 cards altogether.

You're right. I was counting the vig card exchanging hands twice.

[Jal]

pink = purple here. They're called purple.

[Jal]

Railroads do nothing by themselves. Once you have two they become a power.

I just referred to it as it is in role PMs so people wouldn't get confused. Does yours say dark purple or something? St Charles place is said to be purple heh. I doubt this matters much.

[Jal]

I can just see the role power when getting four: Your cards have upgraded! You are now a Railroad conductor!

Power is still the same as having two, of course.

I'm pretty sure someone else other than Jake has another.

[Jal]

Actually, the tables were based on if Monkey were scum. Scum, being a catch-all term term for those with a win con different than town's and of an informed minority. So it's not really strictly "mafia aligned."

I am glad to see all similar minded folk were rounded into some neighborhood of their own. Moo.

Anything else to add? Do you agree Mhork is scummy?

[Jal]

All you Free Parking people get in here and make proper responses. Maybe some ones that add tot he game discussion as well.

[Jal]

That's assuming all the trackers and watchers are in town's hands and no one is lying.

[Jal]

I already had. What's the point of asking a useless question like that when you know the answer?

You know, I really don't care what you think this game. You have been so utterly wrong on mostly everything.

[Jal]

There are self-watchers. They are mostly useless, though. I agree there are a ton ass lots of watchers though. I want to see how it compares to Xis' power which only has two. My power for railroads is good to an extent depending.

[Jal]

Jal you could read the post yourself. I've been right to place monkey as the bottom all of day 2 and was wrong on lurker when you chose to lay off him awhile, you were off on un more consistently, I was off on spice more (although you had the scum read earlier so arguably equal), your scum reads aren't really clear since I'm honestly not sure which of safety, cheery, or jake you actually really suspect, do you want to continue this argument?

Off on un? Uberninja? The one I said town?

My scum read and vote on Spice was pretty short. Only when she did that stupid thing when she kept saying strange and then came out with those stupid stats calling me lazy. Holy crap. But her reply after my vote left me thinking she wasn't scum.

I've been on Cheery's ass all days. How is that not clear?

[Jal]

Forgot to reply:

For balance sake my role's really null without good usage since so far it's told me absolutely nothing. I'm guessing 3 oranges = 100 percent self watcher, but for now 50 percent with my luck (or rb if I was last night too) hasn't help

That's with one card, though. With two, it might be upgraded like yours to reveal something better. I'll give Jake that.

[Jal]

You just said this today:

I find interesting you still suspect cheery so much.

It confirms you knew I suspect Cheery, that I've had it before, and it's ongoing. I also was voting that slot D1.

[Jal]

No. It's obviously not given that I've had an ongoing suspicion of actions Cheery has taken.

What is with these suspecting questions? You find things interesting, but so what? What does that mean? What is the point you are trying to make? It's like a thesis. A thesis you've failed to conceive.

Regardless, the point I've made stands: You are asking me pointless questions you know the answers to, and you've already admitted earlier today I have ongoing suspicions regarding Cheery which is contradictory to your post 1844.

[Jal]

We have already discussed the actions. We've been discussing actions all day which are suspicions regarding Cheery, especially regarding the tracker talk.

[Jal]

Jake - question: Let's assume Mehdi is lying about going anywhere. Mehdi just stayed home all night and twiddled his thumbs and the next day he lied about using a role. Given what you said above, why do you think scum-him would say TBG instead of me in the first place?

[Jal]

I used my light green card on you. Told me you had at least 2 deeds.

[Jal]

What?

[Jal]

I was thinking if cheery was scum he RB'd you. But obviously not

Wouldn't you have seen it?

[Jal]

I thought I was a horrible cop.

I can't believe you took a sarcastic comment seriously.

I don't get why you wouldn't claim tomorrow or if you were ran up instead or if I said I would vig you.

This clears up nothing for me. I don't see how this is extra Mehdi proof beyond what we have.

You know what I would have done?

I WOULD HAVE INVESTIGATED THE MEHDI.

[Jal]

WOULD HAVE PROVED IF A WATCHER WERE LYING ALSO.

[Jal]

I just don't get how the one thing people thought I was (sk) gets killed and people are like, "nah, dat got to be scumz still" especailly after that theory of yours where you thought there was possible 2 vigs and a sk.

[Jal]

Yeah whatever. The meaning means the same.

Why that group?

[Jal]

Yesterday people were claiming to be suspicious of me because they believed I was SK ,not mafia. SK gets killed, so suspicion that night how? I don't get what is difficult to understand.

[Jal]

It's simple. Xis believes there is actually a vig (2 in fact) and a sk. We kill the SK, who was the one other who claimed vig. Logically, one would assume they still should believe there's a vig, at least somewhat in that theory. Maybe not

two

vigs, because they thought there was another shooter, but we essentially lynched my cc yesterday. Where did belief in the vig go?

Also, I am going to fuck up Uber for completely shitfesting this game, because the only reason I have suspicion is because he sperged all over this thread and I hate playing days other than D1. I actually am pretty sure the Sk killed Uber also now, as that was Agent Ireland's main suspect at the end of yesterday.

[Jal]

Xis, change my thing to tracker instead of watcher. I wrote it wrong.

I'll give you this: a lotta town actually think the person who most pushes the lynch is scum. And I admit, I'm a power busser. Seriously. If you think I'm scum, just vote who I am voting at the end of the day. But Nero bussed me first and it pissed me off. I git rid of dem first.

This is useless blah blah.

This is what I want to happen today: I don't care if you are someone who doesn't want to claim cards. Just claim you got a new card or two. I am intrigued if scum may be holding back on info and potential powers now that more cards have been distributed.

[Jal]

This is easy. Cheery says who he tracked Mhork going to (if so). Someone claim if they went to that person.

[Jal]

be back later. was just catching up and wanted to respond. Lots of work today.

[Jal]

Has everyone claimed they got cards over night/start of day yet? Safety I think you're keeping track.

[Jal]

Safety - when you get back give me a proper post about who has claimed what and what we're missing.

I've only skimmed the last few pages - it might be possible there are nonvanilla goons given that I am now a vig pr versus being a vanilla with a vig power.

I've been sick. Will get my ass back in gear and read some posts instead of skimming by tonight or tomorrow morning.

[Jal]

Here's the thing. If Medhi is a ninja, then there's no point for Medhi to have claimed making a move. Ever. Since it would not be seen. Knowing that his actions wouldn't ever be seen, there's no point to claim an action when there was no need to.

I don't think there is a roleblocker - although there is a chance they purposely failed to roleblock last night to have a mislynch of Mehdi today. Another thing - if there is a roleblocker at all discovered, they were okay with Mehdi dying since I wasn't role blocked last night - meaning Mehdi is town.

A redirector is interesting, and something I can see.

I need to read back a bit.

By the way, if you haven't claimed to receive a card last night or day when you actually did, I consider you scum.

[Jal]

Going to read through this day tonight.

Meantime, there's no problem for Mehdi coming up with a plan ion case he is lynched and flips town. You can come up with your own, Guille. Curious how they would turn out.

[Jal]

I'm up for vigging Guilley-Pooh.

[Jal]

Isn't that why Xis is being tracked?

[Jal]

No, Mehdi does have someone tracking Xis - Safety.

[Jal]

Will reply to Safety in a bit.

[Jal]

Lord Mhorkie pie, why did you decide to vote Mehdi right then?

[Jal]

To be fair, TBG did the planning in the end.

[Jal]

Okay, I don't feel like reading the walls anymore.

Someone straight-up answer me: Is there a card which is unclaimed and do we know its name?

Or did Jake just claim to have some prior unclaimed card?

[Jal]

Okay, so everyone should know by now that not claiming makes that person most likely scum and they should have claimed. This is all I have been waiting for, thanks.

Right so, 2 railroads give the ability to search for a specific card and see who has it. Yesterday I used it on boardwalk and saw that TBG had it last night.

Tonight, I am looking for Virginia Ave and that person who has it is automatically scum. Please make sure I am protected/watched, whatever. We get scum tomorrow.

[Jal]

Vig is blue.

[Jal]

If you would like to hear from me before hammer, give me a few hours. I'm still doing Valentine's day stuff.

[Jal]

Long distance relationship yo.

I need to change my avi back to a woman,

[Jal]

I'm reading that you want now Safety.

[Jal]

I didn't end up reading it. I just did. Yeah, I'm being a lame-ass and I sincerely apologise for it. I got busy and lost interest in this game for some reason. I'm going to have to catch-up on everyone else's posts during the night phase. Do you agree with my proposal to look up the last purple?

[Jal]

Looking at Guille/Mhork. Xis is a consideration, but I want to see what potential drama unfolds there tomorrow. A guilty gets reactions whether they're lying or not.

I still think Cheery is scummy, but I don't think I am willing to kill that PR role off. Rather a lynch if it looks bad tomorrow.

[Jal]

I understand what Jake is saying, but I I agree with having a smaller scum pool more so. It also confirms my role to everybody that yes - I am a vig.

Also, if Mehdi flips town then there may be a roleblocker/Redirector and the mylo plan is shot. May be shot tonight anyway.

[Jal]

I did not get role blocked. I used all of my cards to be sure of it in case it became a possibility. Meaning, scum probably no-killed.

I got Tennessee Avenue at the beginning of the night. I know who has the missing card and they know I know. Let the games begin.

Everyone out what you got and any suspicions you have.

Why Cheery Dog?

[Jal]

What a shame since Xis was supposed to.

[Jal]

Many reasons:

They want to make it look like there isn't a vig.

They realized due to how Mehdi set things up that they'd be easily caught killing someone

Bigger town pool means more people for town to consider.

[Jal]

Either way, they obviously didn't kill unless you're trying to say I am scum.

By the way, do you think the person who didn't claim the last card is scum?

[Jal]

Town Mehdi had no reason to not reveal she had an extra card she she had before leaving and realizing her lynch looked inevitable:

You won't be with me. I've said most what I need for my reads and opinions to be clear. If this is slot is lynched then my flip should be enough to say follow my plan with past plan success being what backs it. The only modification I'd make is swap xis with jal in jake's targets (so jake target safety or jal) because of jal's new claim.

And biting some pride back and saying sorry both to the players and mod, I'd like to replace out. The reason boils down to school over load for likely a while.

The card count thing has already been explained by several people. Why use it in the first place today, Xis?

People start not revealing cards when others have been calling that person probably scum.

Right now, we're looking at Xis not revealing they had a card yesterday and not being caught by the watcher going to Safety as planned.

Jake has no other claimed abilities besides watcher. He has already announced his results from the previous days.

[Jal]

Its sanity?

[Jal]

I already came out saying I used it. If you have me as an innocent, you should know I'm not lying and know its "sanity."

[Jal]

Before moving forward, Jake please tell me if you received your purple card during N2 night or beginning of D3.

Also, Cheery is saying you went no where and no one is catching this.

[Jal]

We have a problem.

[Jal]

More than 3 people claimed to have gotten cards at the start of yesterday.

When cards were received:

Me

Start of Day: Vig

Xis

Start of Day: Light Green

Safety

Start of Day: Pacific Avenue

Jake:

Start of Day: Purple

[Jal]

Wait shh, I need to work this out. TBG had 4 cards before his death so it works out. We know TBG has gotten the vig card over night. I got the railroad. Last purple card had to be given at night

unless

scum switched when they got their cards.

[Jal]

The card count thing has already been explained by several people. Why use it in the first place today, Xis?

Because today was the first day I could use it?

Right now, we're looking at Xis not revealing they had a card yesterday and not being caught by the watcher going to Safety as planned.

I've fully disclosed all of my cards, Jal. What did I not reveal?

I'm also stating, unequivocally, that I visited SafetyDance and received a result.

You could first use it today - so what? I just said I had already proved its "sanity." You also called it useless D2.

If what you were saying were true, then it would have to be Mehdi lying about their cards which I just showed is very very very unlikely given her last words.

[Jal]

Xis.

[Jal]

I think we can safely assume there was no role blocker or doc card used now. Scum no killed or killed with me I guess? But I don't see why they would have themselves possibly tracked to a body. They might have felt too trapped to do anything.

One thing that colors me funny: Xis has a full cop claim with two yellows. Most of the cards which aren't together don't appear to be a full power until all united together unless they are pretty standalone in themselves.

The light greens being able to see more cards
The 50% self watcher becoming a real watcher

[Jal]

A real self-watcher, that is.

[Jal]

Mehdi used a doc card. It could be many reasons it wasn't seen. It's not necessarily something that makes it so scum can be sneaky. No one saw what happened to Mehdi N1. There was also speculation that TBG was killed N2 because he was one of the few not being tracked or watched.

Xis worded it as "granted" the cop ability.

Medhi and Jake looked like they gained a half ass ability to be made better upon more cards.

Cards that are standalone or have only 2 cards to them get a full ability. Colors with 3 deeds, beside the reds sharing a qt, seem to have mostly half-assed things. It's speculation to keep in mind.

Either way, there is no reason for town Mehdi to lie. The question is, why did Xis lie and is lying now?

Also, the whole sanity thing doesn't make sense.

[Jal]

I already explained your motives, Xis.

I just love how you kinda treat Safety like he is still kind of scummy and that he is probably town because... oh wait, in your eyes he should be definitely town.

These are your current town reads: Xis, Jake, Jal, Safety, Jake (one of Mhork and Cheery are scum). Great.

[Jal]

Well, I agree with Jake here.

Nuff said.

[Jal]

Nacho is you're still around: Opinion on GreyICE.

[Jal]

OH GOD WRONG GAME.

[Jal]

Has anyone at all seen any results with their watcher/tracker roles?

Well, I agree with Jake here.

Nuff said.

Xis gave you and I 'inno' cop reports. Aren't you concerned about lynching him and he's scum and what that would mean for you?

I've had you as a town read since D1 post-Lurker scum slip. Xis should not have been investigating someone who was obviously townie. I didn't even pay attention to see what everyone else's role last night was until a few hours before deadline when I actually read the game to make my own decision. I would have changed it. What would I have to be worried about?

[Jal]

There goes my theory that every watcher/tracker is as useless as a 50% self-watcher then.

[Jal]

Sigh. Our best bet is NL and set up a security permeter around our townies.

[Jal]

Our "perceived" townies anyway. Force scum to remove a baddie town from the game.

[Jal]

I'm going to get back to this in a bit. I have to look at something to do with the cards first.

[Jal]

There is a glitch in the matrix.

Who here got a card at the *beginning* of D1?

On Safety's list it doesn't list.

[Jal]

Let me rephrase: Who received a card at the beginning of D2? Not during the night. At the beginning?

So I'm definitively ruling out Jal-Dog as a scum team, so that's one combination less to work with.

If you're even thinking of me in a scum team, it can only be Xis as he declared to have an innocent on me. Why are you going on about scum teams involving me with other people? Looks like you're trying to be useful while actually doing crap all. In fact, it's more likely for us to be scum together because he didn't get hammered. That can easiy be one scum being bandwagoned and one scum off or on it himself.

Also I find people who 1v1 are townies.

NL is the only way we're going tonight.

[Jal]

How the hell do you not have those pms anymore?

Do you know which card you got D1 you think?

[Jal]

Cheery - track xis
jal - shoot nobody
xis - cop mhork
safety - watch jal, track jal
me - watch safety

I suggest for Xis to use your light green card on someone else so Cheery can track you going to multiple people. Use it on Safety.

[Jal]

Part of the point is to see if he dies.

[Jal]

Jake answers Mhork's question for me.

IN what you posted, you had me being watched bu Safety, Jake. You also have him tracking me.
Want to hear Safety's reply.

[Jal]

See, if you are actually a cop it doesn't *really* matter. If you get an innocent the rest are scum. If you get a scum and get a scum. We get scum either way. Scum get screwed either way.

So scum, you want to kill Xis because you're screwed if you don't!

Wifom wifom wifom wifom.

[Jal]

I don't have a lot of time until tonight to respond to the rage.

btw safety, I answered it in the thread

[Jal]

First off, I was being sarcastic about how Ialready posted. Anyway, I checked out Jake N1. For some reason I wanted to post Cheery, but no it was Jake.

I'll explain card day stuff later.

Safety, point is, Xis says I'm town. Unless I am a god father (I'm not) or Xis sanity is off (which from your point of view it shouldn't be) then I would have to be scum with Xis.

[Jal]

jal - why did you maintan a town read on robert even though he was pushing your lynch day 1, especially given he stayed off the lurker wagon and your town read on that slot never seemed to waiver.

I would expect given the lurker flip you would suspect him somewhat but it doesn't look like you ever did.

also here's another interesting note.

night 1 there was a SK kill (knife) and a mafia kill (shot) and each subsequent night there has been only a single shot kill. The only one with cards who can kill is Jal

1. why would mafia not try to take out Jal when he went unwatched night 2?
2. how does a vig card and a SK card = full blown vig? I never fully understood this part.

the more I read the more confused I get smh

I remember thinking his confusion over how to proceed and lynch making me think he was town. I don't necessarily think people on my lynch are scum. See: Uber pushing me hard D1. I know he's just an idiot.

I have already pointed out why I think his is town after a lurker flip.

Vote Jal

for reasons i can't think of right now.

Unvote

Vote: Robert2424

For forgetting to think about thinking.

Not-thinking = Anti-town.

So says the LURKER....LOL

The question is: Would Lurker immediately turn on a scum buddy like that or would a scum buddy react that way?

Regarding N2, there was an argument over which plan to go through since there was a SK. Cheery went the town route. Actually, it's very interesting to see how that may apply to being scum. If Cheery thought he was going town and they discussed it in the neighbourhood, maybe him as scum or someone as scum in the neighborhood felt the same.

That, and/or they wanted me to kill knowing Mehdi was town.

Either way, scum went safe route and shot someone not being targeted in either scenario.

[Jal]

we will NL btw

[Jal]

Cheery - Do you think there is a manipulation role in the game?

[Jal]

This is a purposeful prod dodge until tonight and then I make my vote. Yes yes I realize the deadline is short.

[Jal]

Yeah, I'm not using any ability tonight. Herp derp a town just happens to get tracked to a kill herp derp.

Xis needs to be tracked and Xis needs to use their deed counter on someone separate. Someone like Jake or Cheery who probably wouldn't be scum with him and have abilities that may be affected if the yellows are something different than a cop ability.

Safety, I shared my cards. I was tracking the purple card through people.

I'm seeing Mhork scum in every scenario here.

[Jal]

Had Jal not lurked that last day phase I'd probably not excused mhork's. I only had 1 solid piece of evidence on mhork but didn't give it enough weight. I'm mad at myself now

No. When you choose wrong in LYLO you man up and take responsibility. I was obv town considering Lurker, the cop claim, and a SK who confirmed my card and initially CC'd me. Instead, you derped it up. Whatever I did on the last day has no bearing on whatever the hell you considered Mhork to be considering I was obv town and essentially confirmed town most of the game regardless of my actions that day.

My last read at the end of the day was that everything lead to Mhork. Having been suspected by people randomly to be scum at the last day and to be night killed? Figure it out. Or looked at my scum reads, since, you know, I was one of the few people you KNEW was now town.

Also, this game is another example that if anyone says "fuck it" or "crossing my fingers" in regard to making a quick decision to vote in LYLO, it almost always results in failure.

Anyway, regardless of what I said above, this was a collective town loss and Safety played the best endgame for town and pretty much figured out scum in the end.

Grats scum. Well deserved. Sorry to see you go so early Baby. It was kinda fun while it lasted. Sorry for being inactive towards the last day I was around (I was active at first) but mostly for the day before. I may have pushed for a Mhork shot. I almost did shoot Mhork. Glad I decided not to shoot Mehdi or Xis though like I wanted to previously.

[Jal]

Uber, seriously. Stop pressuring me as scum in every damn game! Already changed my message due to finishing First Time Mafia first.