Outwitted - Mini 1254 (Game Over)

[GreyICE]

OKAY SO WE DON'T HAVE A FUCKING VIGILANTE?

WE HAVE TO DO THE DIRTY WORK OURSELVES?

Vote: Zang

OBVIOUSLY THE LYNCH FOR TODAY
DO IT FOLKS

[GreyICE]

Unvote

Vote: Lurconis

Nice job Seraph

Always tomorrow for the policy lynch ^-^

[GreyICE]

Oh FYI:

All VTs throw away their 3s and hang onto their 1, 2, and 4.

Restock
Instead of a night kill, once during the game you may PM the moderator with a target. You will steal that player's cards starting with his lowest card until you reach 7 or more total points.

If for some asinine reason you pitched a 1 or a 2, pitch the other one tonight.

If for some horrible reason you pitched the 4, you have to get it down to 2/5 so pitch 3 then 1.

This has been your public service announcement.

[GreyICE]

The man speaks the truth.

Plus Yosarian is in this game, and Yos will have a town read on CES no matter what CES does, so well

[GreyICE]

Oh Darox, even when I was scum and you helped me win I found your shere khanceit rage-inducing.
Also using card number 3 last night made a lot of sense, and for VTs was just plain optimal (assuming scumthiefpower works on VTs).

Ludiscum is scum for nonengagement.
So yeah it's real.
Tell me your opinion of the CES / Lurconis wagons.

Llamarble, care to explain?

It's pretty fucking clear that the Lurconis wagon is due to a fucking softclaimed PR result.

[GreyICE]

Hi all.

I am writing this with a heavy heart. Something deeply personal has come up in my life. I will be unable to think mafia, let alone play it, for at least the next four days, and perhaps more.

Mod, it is up to you what you do with this slot. If you want to wait on me, keep in mind that four days is a very rough guess, it could be many more, and I make no promises. I'm sorry to force you to look for a replacement like this.

I hope your hopes and prayers are with me for the next short while, guys, it's a great community here and I hope i'm able to get back as soon as possible.

Regards,

Ludi

*hugs*

Hey Ludi, don't worry. Stuff happens.

Hope you're feeling better. You're a good person, and a fun person to play games with.

Good luck with whatever has come up.

[GreyICE]

I actually do like the Lurconis wagon but have been pursuing other stuff.
Ludi totally ignoring what was going on felt like he didn't want to engage in a situation that involved a buddy.

Like it?

-_-

Softclaimed PR result.

What is there not to like?

If you believe seraph was soft claiming why didn't he do it in his first post?

This post?

Unvote
Vote: Lurconis

I found scum guys.

Yes you're caught scum. Deal.

^-^

[GreyICE]

@GreyIce you didn't answer my question. If Seraph was going to soft claim why did he not do it in his first post? I didn't ask you why you thought he softclaimed. I understand your mistaking

Unvote
Vote: Lurconis

I found scum guys.

a random vote comment for a soft claim. The question was if it is a soft claim why didn't he post it first, why did he lead off with

Vote: GreyICE

Really?

I honestly didn't see that -_-

Unvote

Vote: Zang

Back to today's lynch.

[GreyICE]

Zang, Spyspy, Andy feel town.
Some of LLD, Lurconis, Yos, ML are scum.
And maybe Darox, but being ridiculously anti-town / arrogant seems normal for him.

Hey marble man, why is Zang Town?

[GreyICE]

GI, explaining town reads is anti-town.

Why is Zang scum?

'cause he's Zang.

Read his ISO.

You tell me what you think.

[GreyICE]

Why am I scum? I see nothing scummy about my ISO or the fact that I am Zang.

The fact you are Zang guarantees you will be scummy.

But it's the quote chop walls really. They're so delightfully pointlessly scummy.

[GreyICE]

You actually thought this Luc wagon was based on a claim?

I'm thinkin its actual scum caught but we'll see. Waitin for a few things.

If you didn't think it was based on a claim why did you put me at L-2 about 5 hours after the thread opened and all I had posted was

VOTE: CES

Why are you so nervous at L-2? Do you think scum will suddenly pile into the thread day 1 and use two people to quickhammer you?

[GreyICE]

Not really I think if anything there was scum on there already for it to get so high so fast. I just think it is weird he seems to think you were dense for thinking it was based off a soft claim yet he seems to think it was actually scum caught and gives no reason.

So your idea is that scum are usually reckless and quick with votes at start of day 1, while town are more reserved.

If there was scum on it, Lurc, whose the scum?

[GreyICE]

fuck me I can't be on a wagon with Grey

Unvote:
Vote: Andrius

Goddamn it come join me on the Zang wagon.

The wagon is made of awesome win.

[GreyICE]

I see the Lurc case.
And I agree with you.
But Darox is a big shiny mafia pinata and I really want to beat it open with a stick.
CANDY FOR THE CANDY GOD

Like seriously, let's just say he's town for am argument.
Let's say he's the basest form- VT.
Meaning the only effective weapons he has are his voice and his vote.
He's using neither and actually selling out his vote- by not taking responsibility for this he's effectively trying to avoid the responsibility of actually voting people. Perhaps he'll come back in LyLo and go "WELL I JUST SHEEPED THE OTHER TOWNIES COME ON".

Nope.
Not on my watch.

ANDRIUS

WHY WILL ZANG BE ANY BETTER?

HE CLAIMED TO HAVE A META OF FUCKING DELIBERATELY LURKING. HE WORKS ON THIS SO HE CAN LURK OUT ALL HIS SCUM GAMES.

PLUS I HATE HIS POSTS.

HE'S AT LEAST AS SCUMMY AS LURCONIS, AND DAROX AND... WHY DON'T WE HAVE A VIG.

OH MY GOD THE PAIN THE PAIN.

FATE WE CAN'T LYNCH ANDRIUS TODAY TOO MANY OF THESE PEOPLE NEED TO DIE WITH FIRE.

[GreyICE]

I agree with Marble town.

Fate is a power role AND an excellent scumhunter PLUS obvtown. Unfortunately a strong ocular disorder is preventing me from reading his posts. How sad.

Vote: Yosarian

[GreyICE]

Go gargle Drano, you waste of flesh.

[GreyICE]

189 is an excellent reason to vote for someone, as it basically boils down to 'meh, Darox is acting too scummy to actually be scum because the wagon is evaporating.'

Yosarian, on day 3 if he is still playing this way would your read stand?

I also note that of the people I consider the better players in this town, you only have a solid town read on LLD.

And what scumhunting, pray tell, has CES done in this game?

[GreyICE]

I caught Lurc.

I also note that of the people I consider the better players in this town, you only have a solid town read on LLD.

Why would there be a relation between the two?

Why would scum prefer to defend bad players and push suspicion on good ones?

1) Their buddies are in the former list
2) Which do they want alive in LyLo?

[GreyICE]

Oh? You don't see the advantage of defending weak players who are generally doing nothing, and casting doubt on the strong players when the other strong players are pushing said weak players?

It's worked very, very well in the past.

Also did you just fucking type 'I don't expect scum to act with scum motivation when they post?'

[GreyICE]

Let's lynch GreyIce once this Lurc thing resolves.

Mhmm.

What TOWN motivation could there be to point out that "Fate's a PR" ???

Wtf is this shit

throw him in the furnace

Maybe the scum believe me

Then they shoot you

Then you won't fakeclaim guilties on town

This is protown.

[GreyICE]

Oh? You don't see the advantage of defending weak players who are generally doing nothing, and casting doubt on the strong players when the other strong players are pushing said weak players?

The player I cast doubt upon WERE the players who had basically done nothing pro-town yet this game at the time of my post. That would be you, SpyreX, and Lurconis. SpyreX is a strong player, Lurconious seems to be a weak player; I've only played with you once, I think, but my general impression is that you are somewhere in between.

Are you saying that when a strong player fails to act in a pro-town way, I should ignore it, and go after weaker players instead?

Andrius

Mostly null; he gets some town points for some reasonable looking scumhunting.

Fate Magister Ludi

I think I've played 4 or 5 games with Fate now, and I still don't know how to read him. That being said, I don't have any specific problems with his posts thus far. Going to put him in the null to townish range for now.

Cogito Ergo Sum

No problems with his play thus far. He can fake scumhunting quite well as scum, though. Null-ish.

Spyrex being paranoid about me and not knowing why is probably null for him. On the other hand, "I think the person I'm voting for is town but I'm going to stay on this bandwagon (the biggest one in the game)" does not make any sense to me at all. If you think a bandwagon is probably bad, you stay the hell off if it and find a better bandwagon. All that weirdness about "I'm sticking with this wagon because don't think Serephem is bussing" doesn't make any sense, either; if you thought Serephem WAS bussing, then that'd be a GREAT reason to sheep on him. When the scum want to bus each other, what you do is you fuel up the bus, give it a tune-up, put a huge V-8 engine in that baby and hand them the keys with a smile. Ok, that analogy got a little werid, but you get my drift. "I'm going to follow this bad wagon because I don't think it's one scum bussing another" just seems so anti-town I can't wrap my head around it.

The rest of his posting is pretty thin. The one where he declares that Darox and GreyIce are both town actually does make sense to me, but Spyrex doesn't come off well here in general.

Conclusion: scummy-ish, want more data.

LLamarble

Probably town-ish. Nightkill speculation is of course unreliable as hell, but it's a perfectly valid reason to place a day 1 vote, even when it's wrong. I also feel better about him now that he cleared up that his "secret scumtell" on me was that he didn't like the way I was going after Darox.

Seraphim

Thinking he's probably town. His charge against Lurconis is just so ludicrously over-the-top to an almost silly degree on such thin evidence. I don't really see a scum coming out of the gate with a move like that, although it is possible.

So much waffle language going on here.

[GreyICE]

if I was a PR how would I fake a guilty on town

Hi I'm the town tracker

I tracked someone to the night kill

Lynch plox

[GreyICE]

I fake guilties on people that need to die anyway, because they are an obstruction to town's win con.

Clearly my guilties are on scum, sometimes they are just not mafia.

Plus I had other scum in my sights but WALP here we go again saying TOO MUCH

I'm a day cop.

Fate is scum.

Lynch please.

[GreyICE]

I have a scumread on Zang for his obstructionist walls and general attitude.

As for power role fishing, yes. Fate is definitely a power role. The scum should definitely shoot him tonight. This is very pro scum and would help their team out a lot.

Also any vigs might shoot him too.

[GreyICE]

Can Fate and Grey go compare dick sizes somewhere else? We're trying to play a game of mafia here, and ONCE AGAIN, you two are distracting from the ACTUAL SCUM.

I'm trying to.

The problem is he's compensates for his 2" with noise levels.

Also he is an excellent shot for scum tonight.

[GreyICE]

I have a scumread on Zang for his obstructionist walls and general attitude.

As for power role fishing, yes. Fate is definitely a power role. The scum should definitely shoot him tonight. This is very pro scum and would help their team out a lot.

Also any vigs might shoot him too.

That wasn't even your first power role fishing attempt, either.

It's pretty fucking clear that the Lurconis wagon is due to a fucking softclaimed PR result.

We all know that there is exactally one surviving town info role. So speculating on if something may or may not be "a softclaimed result", and getting other people to speculate on it as well, is obviously pretty darn anti-town.

We know this how?

Setup Composition:
You know this setup has:

at least

two investigative roles,

at least

one protective role, a single mafia team, no third parties,

at least

one town bulletproof (role PM below), and

at least

one Townie. All town roles will be roles familiar to an experienced player, though mechanically modified to fit the theme.

I will guarantee you, through long experience with moderator phrasing, that at least one of those "at leasts" is a red herring and there is more copies of that role than are stated (besides the obvious one, Townie).


Andrius wagon... hmmm...

OH NO FATE I'M BUSSING

Vote: Andrius

[GreyICE]

WELL SORRY I THOUGHT I COULD STALL UNTIL HE POSTED SOMETHING BUT HIS LURKING HAS DEFEATED MY CAPACITY TO START RANDOM ARGUMENTS WITH YOU.

I CAN'T HELP IT, I JUST HAVE TO BUS THIS DERP.

[GreyICE]

^^

HEY FATE

HE STILL TOWN?

[GreyICE]

Unvote

No counterclaims day 1, period. I figured scum going down would claim one of our confirmed in-game roles, so this isn't a surprise, but basically a town doctor is more-or less completely unblockable now (as I don't see a reason for T-Andrius to pitch less than 20-some points tonight) scum are either going to have to shoot around him, shoot him, or we're sitting here wondering why a doctor is alive on day 2/3.

Also there are plenty of fucking reasons to be voting him, Yos. He'd done jack shit except lurk and make vague threats (don't call for Zang's lynch, because that's what scum would do, lol).

As for Yos... welp.

Twist my arm. No, really, twist my arm (confirmed town Andrius, lol)

Vote: Yosarian

[GreyICE]

Yeah, this definitely doesn't look like town Yos play.

Out of curiosity, what is town Yos play, and how is this different?

[GreyICE]

UNVOTE:
No more claims until we actually want to lynch somebody. Right now I'm not sure what's behind a lot of the Yos votes.
Yos' posting has also started to add up to a lot of scumhunty stuff with solid insightfactor.

Yos' posting has added up to a whole lot of nothing. Cries of rolefishing, padded reads, and 'oh no that was anti-town' abound.

His commentary on Andrius and the entire wagon was ridiculous.

What brilliant insights has he offered you in his last few posts that you're leaving the wagon of the righteous?

[GreyICE]

How do you like 195? That's like the definition of talking a lot and saying very little -_-

[GreyICE]

Grey what was your actual reason for voting Andrius?

Blatant and repeatedly doing nothing.

Telling me in the first post that it was scummy (or 'what Fate-scum does') to vote for Zang on the basis that he's scummy and worth lynching or shooting pretty much always, then using basically exactly that argument here, and doing basically nothing besides discussing Darox (he's a VI or scum, hur dur) and Lurc (he's uh... not a VI and not scum I guess?).

Oh yeah and offering me his same pointless piece of advice about Fate-scum that he always does.

Woo contributions.

I still wanna lynch him, honestly, but it's not going to happen due to the PR claim, and I'm not going to play 'outguess Zoraster on how many protective roles are in a game where powers don't work all the time.' Having two more protective roles or something claim today would be fucking awful, and it's not like claimed doctors are known for their long lives when they're town.

[GreyICE]

This gets more words later but the leap from "there is a protective role" to "WE KNOW ANDRIUS IS A DOC" is somethin else.

This.

Bodyguard and Jailkeeper, off the top of my head, are still fucking protective roles. In point of fact I think Jailkeeper is a lot more interesting with this mechanic than Doctor, as Cop+Doctor is still fairly fucking effective with this mechanic, while Jailkeeper+Cop is a LOT more interesting (consider that a Cop can fire out ABOVE a jailkeeper - at the cost of large amounts of points). I have this nightmare vision of a Jailkeeper an a Bodyguard claiming and finding ourself left with, I dunno, a tracker and a bulletproof when the smoke clears from the corpse of Andrius.

I want Yos fucking deep sixed.

If any of you think I'm voting for LLD, btw, you can bite me. She's not the lynch today.

[GreyICE]

A lady lambdadelta lynch is seeming much more appealing now but I'm going to wait for a votecount before I vote for her.

OH HEY I COULD LYNCH ZANG TOO

[GreyICE]

Nice flail, Yos.

'halp my scumbuddies counterwagon ended up on confirmed town guess it's time to do an ASS PULL'

Three fucking town power role claims on day one my fucking ass.

[GreyICE]

Motherfucker.

Well, isn't that awesome. The town is now 3 for 3 for wagons that out town power roles, since I am the tracker, and probably the only living town info role.

unvote

We are so fucked.

Only information I have is that either CES didn't do anything night 1, or else he is a scum who outbid me. Since I only used 1 point, that wouldn't have been hard. The way the tracker role works is that if I use any points, I find out what my target did if they were a town power role, but I have to spend more points then the scum do to see if they killed anyone.

Also, my role PM only talks about the scum nightkill and town power roles, so I'm pretty sure there aren't any scum power roles like scum doctor.

ALSO YOU SERIOUSLY WROTE THIS?

YOU THINK THERE IS:

TOWN COP
TOWN DOCTOR
TOWN TRACKER
TOWN EN VIG
TOWN BULLETPROOF

AND THAT THERE'S NO FUCKING SCUM POWER ROLES?

I DON'T GIVE A FUCKING SHIT ABOUT POINT MECHANICS, THAT'S INSANE.

[GreyICE]

Oh my fucking god, I can't believe I'm suggesting this.

Is it time for a day 1 mass claim?

[GreyICE]

Reasoning:

I seriously do not believe that on day 1, with TWO CONFIRMED INFORMATION roles in the setup, and ONE CONFIRMED PROTECTIVE role that two of the three claims (the two I had scumreads on) were THE REMAINING INFORMATION ROLE and the REMAINING PROTECTIVE ROLE

It just seems derptacular.

The only known town power role we'll be outing is the bulletproof, which isn't exactly a big deal, since I doubt he's randomly getting shot anyway with all this *cough*town*cough* power about. An acceptable risk.

We'll lock scum into fakeclaims today.

Other than that, I'm so happy riding Yos home.

[GreyICE]

*sigh*

Fate, as much as I agree with the Zang lynch on policy, I'm not seeing much town benefit to mass claiming tomorrow rather than today, except for the potential LLD shot.

If Zang is scum he will claim a protective role or an information role, OBVIOUSLY. That goes without saying. If he's town, he'll claim his role, obviously.

So we're left with four scenarios if we wagon Zang.

1) He claims information/protective role. Woo. We're then left in the quandary of having a 50/50, with the added WIFOM that NEITHER might be scum.
2) He claims bulletproof. We can't lynch a claimed bulletproof without a counterclaim. OBVIOUSLY
3) He claims VT. Do we lynch or not?
4) He claims something completely different. Do we lynch or not?

All that I see happening is a buttload of WIFOM.

The worst part of mass claim tomorrow is that I don't see a SINGLE FUCKING REASON for it. Scum get a whole extra night kill without knowing, what? All the town power roles? Unless the scumteam is LLD/Yos/Andrius (SPOILER ITS NOT) then they know at least ONE of them, if not two or even three (:roll:).

This is being fucking lazy right here, right now.

[GreyICE]

HAHAHA

YES

YES

YES

FATE WE CAN DO THIS

DEATH TO THE YOSARIAN

GO GO GO

[GreyICE]

Okay, Lurc's claim makes sense based on the mechanic.

Yos' claim makes no sense at all.

[GreyICE]

Uh, fucktards, it's fucking obviously mass claim day.

You're up, Darox!

[GreyICE]

I get that SleepyKrew is your personal hero, but it's still mass claim day, moron.

Every fucking reason we should have mass claimed yesterday stands today.

[GreyICE]

-_-

It's almost like a mass claim would really help us.

OH WAIT GREYICE YOU SO FUCKING SMART

[GreyICE]

Except we don't have two trackers, a doctor, a cop, and a bulletproof.

WELL THEN WHICH ONE ISN'T TOWN, DAROX?

[GreyICE]

And this is why you're a policy vig, Fate.

[GreyICE]

TORRENTS OF SNOT. TORRENTS.
It was already a lot of power when it was cop tracker doctor vig bulletproof inno. Adding another tracker would make that ridiculous.
LLD claims to have tried and failed to vig lurc after announcing that intention D1, meaning either mafia wanted to prevent a kill on lurc or LLD is scum.
Lurc's move to CC Yos makes a lot of sense from a scum bulletproof trying to waste a townsourcedkill or just trading himself for Yos and neuterage of most town power.

Then there was the whole I'mma look back at whether somebody softclaimed me being scum thing and all the other stuff and this:

I actually had that clarified with Zoraster during night 0 and was told I have to outbid town power roles to track them.

Why specifically clarify :town: power roles?

LLD scum is also possible, but Lurc makes the world make sense.
Sera just going entirely back and forth with extreme conviction feels crazytown.

Fate and LLD you're both good players. Now help lynch Lurc.

I... can't really disagree with this. -_-

I so want a mass claim because something is still horribly off here, but Lurc is today's lynch.

Vote: Lurconis

Since we're now discussing things since mass claim isn't happening, Seraphim, you mind explaining what you're doing this game? I haven't understood a damn play you made yet.

Sadly, Fate still strikes me as town, but LLD is definitely town, and if this comes down to a 1 on 1, Fate's going in the blender for being a useless fucking asshole in every game he's in with me. Plus he'll probably vote for me in LyLo and then go 'oh you're responsible for this loss because you were playing scummy as shit, lololol.'

[GreyICE]

Oh come on Fate, pay attention.

There's two 'Absolute' roles in a game where every role is relative - cop and vig. Assume that the scumteam is 3 goons. Now there's no matter how many points the cop or a vig play - 1, 10, 55, it's all the same. The goons will die and/or get investigated.

There's three options

1) Zoraster made roles which don't care about a point mechanic in a game centered around the point mechanic (NO)
2) The vig is answered by a Mafia Bulletproof/Doctor
3) The cop is answered by a Godfather/Tailor/Framer

(4 the vig is scum and answered by nothing, but I don't believe that one)

Zoraster is zoraster. Think about it. Option 1 just isn't even an option.

A vig will be answerable, so will a cop, because that is how Zoraster's mind works.

[GreyICE]

Hmmm, looking at LLD's ISO, this heavily implicates Llamarble as Mafia if Lurconis flips scum, especially non-bulletproof scum. LLD was going to shoot Llamarble. If Llamarble is scum doctor, then he'd die. Lurconis-scum counterclaims Yosarian-town, drawing the vig shot off the Mafia Doctor (or onto the mafia bulletproof) and onto himself.

Alternatively, it'd be an awfully nice way to derail a lynch on Zang.

Hmmmm.

That one involves lynching Zang over lynching Llamarble...

But Zang is too stupid to think of that. Lurc scum = Llamarble scum.

[GreyICE]

I'm the town bulletproof.

Good guilty fake, Seraphim.

Wrong fucking target.

Guilty in MyLo? El-oh-fucking-el

Vote: Seraphim

First scum lynch of the game is go.

[GreyICE]

Less talking, more GreyICE LYNCHING.

GreyICE should claim btw.

This is my new favorite scum slip of the year.

"I have a guilty on GreyICE"

"GreyICE should claim. Y'know, because he might claim miller. Or something. Trololol. Shit I hope I didn't fake this on the one confirmable townie we've got."

[GreyICE]

However, a BP day 1 AND day 2 screaming for massclaim is woosh in and of itself. "Hay guyz, lets neuter my role it'll be awesome promise!"

I thought about that. I also thought that we'd be able to sort some of the bullshit out and have a better chance of lynching scum.

Remember, my role is not a typical bulletproof. It's a bulletproof

MASON.

Unlike a typical bulletproof, I'm not in any danger of being lynched. Meaning they either have to shoot me at some point, or they have to deal with living confirmed town.

The best part was everyone wagoning me. It was fucking awesome. Because you know what? I spent zero points N1, zero points N2, and zero points N3. All 55 are still sitting in my bank.

Now, Seraphim is scum. Look at his last post. "Let's not out the town bulletproof." Why? Because they'd totally shoot a town bulletproof

over a town COP?

Oh come on. That's obvious bullshit.

I can smell this quicktopic.

"Oh look, they had two trackers."
"Bet I can fakeclaim deputy and get a quicklynch in MyLo"
"Sure, lets target GreyICE, he's never actually fought any wagon on him, it's like he's not worried about being lynched at all!"

Derps.

Fate's just trying to scream loud enough a townie hammers town in MyLo. Not going to happen, Fate.

Now, lets lynch scum.

[GreyICE]

Have you ever thought that if the scum know who the BP is that it completely and totally ruins the usefulness of the role?

Yes, it's so horrible when the scum know who the confirmed town is. That's why you try not to out masons. Scum just shoot em.

OH WAIT.



Flail harder, little scumbag. You are caught, caught, caught.

[GreyICE]

Oh Seraphim knows there won't be another town bulletproof claimed.

Him and Fate have just hit on the 'yell loudly and pray that the town hammers before any brain activity occurs.'

Which leaves either Darox or Zang as the fucking retarded townie on my wagon.

Hmmmmm... god that's going to suck for 3/4 man LyLo... Darox or Zang.

[GreyICE]

The answer is pretty simple. Your scumbuddies are Fate+Zang (or maaaayyyybbeee Darox). Which one of them has enough towncred to counterclaim me? Fate can't counterclaim me because everyone knows he'd have done something cool with the bulletproof, and he doesn't want himself to go down.

Zang's probably supposed to counterclaim me and just hasn't checked the quicktopic in a million years. I've been scum with him before, chances are he hasn't said anything in the quicktopic for a week or two.

HEY ZANG SERAPHIM WANTS YOU TO CHECK THE QUICKTOPIC. YOU'RE SUPPOSED TO COUNTERCLAIM ME

[GreyICE]

Is there a crumb or anything that can put this to rest for serious?

I don't breadcrumb. I honestly didn't see a reason for it, since my role was confirmed to be in the game, and I expected to claim it day 2 (that's why I saved my points N1 and N2).

Now stop derping up, SpyreX. I'm not getting counterclaimed unless Zang gets around to checking the QT one of these decades. This should be obvious by now.

Why the fuck does a goddamn COP think the bulletproof will die over him (Bulletproof... die... bulletproof...). What, scum will try and overshoot the bulletproof's point total rather than SHOOT A FUCKING COP?

He's flailing around. Now we can hang out and wait for everyone to post so we can prove the entire scumteam is on my wagon, and then we can lynch Seraphim.

Confident, cocky, lazy, dead. Faking a guilty in LyLo, lazy, lazy, lazy.

[GreyICE]

lololololol

you're cute when you're flailing.

If you honestly think I'm idiotic enough to make such an audacious move without making sure that all the pieces were in place, then you really do have your head up your ass, scrambling as hard as you can to get this to work.

Oh come on, like you expected me to be the bulletproof. I know I've been your pocket mislynch, you've pushed me on and off for days. Just hard enough to make this seem realistic, not hard enough to get an actual wagon going on me or anything.

I've outplayed you Seraphim. I've let it happen because I am confirmed town. And you cannot lynch confirmed town.

You've made your last mistake. You and fate, chuckling together 'hehe, we'll mislynch GreyICE for the win, lol.' You've been laying the groundwork for this one since day 1, you fucker. And yeah, if I had my way, I'd have lynched you yesterday, but Lurconis was scummy and counterclaimed town and that shit needed to happen.

[GreyICE]

I want to see GreyICE's blood all over this floor, his scummy, red, blood. I want to see some red flips in this topic.I had a dream where GreyICE hung and was the scum Godfather who didn't put in enough points to trump me. Turn my dream into a reality. Use your head. Someone, for the love of God, hammer.

HALP I NEED TO WIN THE GAME SOMEONE FOR THE LOVE OF GOD THE SCUMTEAM HAD THIS IN THE BAG AND IT'S ALL SLIPPING SLIPPING AWAY I CAN SEE MY LOSS WAITING.

Nah, I have a better idea. Let's have no one vote for four or five days. We can sit around and discuss this like nice mature people.

No stampeding into lynches in MyLo. No quicklynches. We sit down and discuss this one.

How's that sound, Serry?

PEDIT: WHY WOULD THE SCUM KILL THE BULLETPROOF OVER THE COP YOU DUMBASS? OH RIGHT THE "COP" IS A MEMBER OF THE SCUMTEAM. AND IT DOESN'T MATTER WHO YOU KILL IF I'M LYNCHED, ANY TOWNIE DOES THE TRICK?

[GreyICE]

Go die in a fucking hole, motherfucker. I'll see your blood yet.

No Seraphim, we're getting our first red flip today. And then we're putting the rest of your team back into the hole it crawled out of.

And then we're bitching at Zoraster for his two town tracker idea -_-

PEdit: OH I SEE YOU CAN'T SPEND MORE PONITS THAN THE ROLEBLOCKER AND OVERSHOOT HIM, OF COURSE NOT. WAIT WHAT?

Lame flailing is LAME. Roleblocks aren't consistent in this game, and we fucking know they spent one N2 on LLD, probably quite a few points. No way in hell they're going to be confident they can roleblock a cop right now.

[GreyICE]

FTFY

QQ MORE SCUM

WHO ARE SERAPHIMS BUDDIES?

CANT YOU BE ARSED TO FAKE ANY OF THIS SHIT?

LOLGREYSCUM

CAUGHT SO EASILY

YOURE LUCKY DERPS WERE THERE TO SCREEN FOR YOU

Hi fatescum.

How much does it rankle that you're in a QT with Zang? Hah you tried to bus him day 1, didn't you, and it didn't even work. God you must have been laughing. Zang, second survivor of the Fatebus, after Fugitive.

I love watching you and Seraphim jump up and down saying how awful it would be to out the town bulletproof in LyLo.

OH WAIT IF WE LYNCH TOWN TODAY WE LOSE.

Or rather I lose. You win.

But I guess it's better not to out the town bulletproof in LyLo! Look, claimed guilty from a role with no results before today (OH EXCEPT AN INNOCENT ON THE TOWN TRACKER WE LYNCHED YESTERDAY CAN'T FORGET THAT PART OF THE EQUATION LOL).

But lets take you outside your comfort zone, Fate. No yelling. No insulting. No games. Just nice, rational debate.

How's that sound?

Nice, slow, rational MyLo.

[GreyICE]

GreyICE should claim btw.

Hey Seraphim, why did I need to claim?

I have never, ever, ever seen a cop with a guilty ask for a claim. EVER.

Why did I need to claim, Seraphim?

[GreyICE]

No you're not, Fate.

Shut up.

[GreyICE]

Now lets just sit back and wait four or five days, like I suggested.

How's that sound? Have to talk rationally, about why we did what we did this game, how we played, etc.?

I'll sit here at L-1 in MyLo and enjoy your squirming, Fate.

'Cause you're scum with Seraphim, and the longer the town watches you two talk, the more obvious it becomes.

[GreyICE]

Now lets be honest and look at the setup for a second.

Cop
Deputy
Tracker
Tracker
Doctor
EN Vig
Bulletproof
3x VT

Yeah right. Seraphim's deputy claim was HORRIBLE. Deputy doesn't make sense with the mechanic, and Seraphim has been unclear about how his cards work. And then that request for claim. Hell, even Fate nearly backed off it when he realized how bad it is (LOL LETS NO LYNCH).

But then blood was smelled in the water. And Fate dove in, following this along. He can smell it. One town vote and he has a victory, and he knows it. Plus he gets to finally, finally mislynch me. And in MyLo no less.

These are two of the worst fakeclaims I've seen in ages. Seraphim is scum, Fate is scum.

[GreyICE]

And no Fate.

The entire scumteam already piled on the town bulletproof.

Before I even had a chance to claim.

Sucks to be you, don't it?

Nice master scheme, Fate. I can't wait to see this QT.

Seraphim botched his claim all to shit. That's why you should be doing the fakies.

Oh wait, you botched your fakey all to shit.

[GreyICE]

Yes, Darox.

You're the townie there. Zang's the fucker who was supposed to lurk and hammer me, but he fucked that up.

Now go sit in the corner with your baby bottle and jack off to SleepyKrew ISOs.

[GreyICE]

Out of curiosity, Seraphim, what could I possibly claim that would tell you if I was framed or not? Come on Seraphim, what is it? What claim would tell you I was framed?

You done fucked up, scumbag.

Universal super gravedigger JOAT, yeah fucking right. This claim gets worse and worse.

[GreyICE]

Fate I swear to god you better just call that a lark or else this is going down because there's about infinity posts today that read like you're not a BP.

<3

[GreyICE]

You know Fate, I've noticed something funny about you you're going to have to work on after this game.

You love screaming and stampeding your way through LyLo as scum. It's only as town that you bother to play like town.

iPod mafia, Walking Dead, AGM's game, you can wait, and watch, and plan patiently for days, but if that golden ring is dangling right there, in front of you, you can't help but to jump for it. You can't help but to dive. You want it, you want it now, you want it fast, you want it nice and quickly. You want to boast to everyone about your awesome win. You can taste it. You want that recognition.

It's always been your greatest flaw. You want to be recognized. It's why you always insist that I acknowledge you. Fuck, you wrecked us in Memento mafia, but it wasn't complete until I acknowledged that you wrecked us. Wasn't good enough that you did good, everyone has to agree you did good, give you that golden star. And this? With Seraphim, the scumbag of the year, with the worst Deputy/Universal JoAT Gravedigger, with Zang as your partner that you tried to bus day 1 and it didn't even work?

Oh my god do you want that golden ring. Oh my god do you want to be boasting to us in the postgame about how fucking stupid we were.

Well yeah. We done derped for a nice long time.

But it's your turn to derp now. Seraphim derped up his claim, you've derped up your arguing with me, and Zang can't help but derp up.

What's the rush, Fate? What's the hurry? Why is it so necessary that SpyreX hammer now?

You can smell that game end. You can smell it. All it takes is one person, one lone person to vote for me. And then the game is over. Another win in your win column. Good game, folks, Fate has won again. And maybe, maybe if you scream loud enough it'll happen.

Come on, Fate, lets dance. Lets play. Lets take our nice sweet time and talk it out. What do you say?

[GreyICE]

I don't have many cards. .

Wait, what? You don't have 1-10? You have less cards?

This claim just gets better and better

[GreyICE]

Hmm, Fate, you can be quiet now.

I feel like exploring exactly how your scumbuddy's role works.

Answer quickly now, Seraphim. All you have to do is check your role PM, right? Hell, you've been using it night after night, you should know all these details offhand, right?

Answered everything else right fast enough.

Do you have cards 1-10, Seraphim? If not, what cards do you have, Seraphim?

Pedit: Yes, I can read you like a book, Fate. But your buddy has slipped but good, and no amount of screaming is going to cover up this one.

[GreyICE]

Yes, you are close, Fate, are close to that golden, beautiful ring.

Of course I could inquire exactly how this mysterious role of Seraphim's works.

BUT WAIT HE'S NOT POSTING ANYMORE BECAUSE HE DOESN'T LIKE MY AVATAR.

Come on, Serry, come out to play. You've already claimed, no harm in explaining exactly how this mysterious role with 'less cards' works, is there?

[GreyICE]

SpyreX, my dear little cerebrate, I do not give a shit.

"I have less cards," "I wanted you to claim to see if you were framed," "I'm the universal backup gravedigger JOAT."

You can hate me all you want, but this is so fucking obviously scum fakeclaiming that it makes me laugh. Now lets chill and wait for Seraphim to come back to clarify the next little piece of this wonderful, great, excellent claim.

Fate's a distraction today.

PEDIT: HAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHA

[GreyICE]

I'm a backup. I can backup dead roles.

I backed up Fishy both nights

Innocent on Lurc.

Guilty on GreyICE.

Questions?

Day 2:

Lurconis the Town Tracker was lynched

Basically, I spend points like any other role to use other people's role.

ie

I can use a 9 + 7 to use Fishy's cop role to investigate someone.

Pretty standard.

GreyICE should claim btw.

Have you ever thought that if the scum know who the BP is that it completely and totally ruins the usefulness of the role?

I'm not a deputy. I'm a backup. Universal.

Which means I can use any dead player's power like it was my own, with my cards.

WHY DID I ASK FOR A CLAIM, GREYICE? BECAUSE I'M WORRIED ABOUT A FRAMER. LUCKILY, THAT THEORY WAS SHOT TO SHIT THE MINUTE YOU STARTED THIS BP SHIT.

I don't have many cards.

YOU HAVE TO REMEMBER SOMETHING, SOMETHING YOU SEEM TO BE FORGETTING, AND THAT IS THAT POWER ROLES AREN'T THAT POWERFUL IN THIS GAME BECAUSE ALL OF THEM ARE FALLIBLE IF THEY DON'T PAY ENOUGH POINTS TO BEAT THE SCUM.

Go to hell scumbag. You got your counterclaim, you have your bulletproof. Now die scum die.

I don't have 1-9.

I started with 1, 2, 5, and 9.

I'll leave you to guess which one's I've used.

Oh this has been an epic, epic day.

G'night, sweet dumbass.

Nice, nice claim.

[GreyICE]

Hey Seraphim, I do believe I'm the one who said we should take our nice sweet time about this. I knew you'd scumslip like fuck given enough time, the claim already had holes I could drive a truck through.

Don't go playing the offended and hurt card right now, you fucking scumbag. I'm going to stake you to the wall, slice your innards out, and LAUGH as the buzzards feed on your corpse. And I have no problem with that taking a nice, long time.

[GreyICE]

Hey Seraphim, you fake rage pitifully.

Just saying.

Yes, I wanted to mass claim on day 1. Yes, I stand by that. We had a claimed Doctor, Tracker, and EN Vig, and maybe if we'd mass claimed we could have locked scum into fakeclaims and figured out the setup.

Instead we lynched like crap for two days.

I know that the latest and greatest is that it's scummy as fuck to ask for mass fucking claim, but mass fucking claim when we have THREE CLAIMED POWER ROLES is a SOLID FUCKING STRATEGY.

But your team saw a weakness, and here you are, still latched onto that like a lamprey, three days later.

Hey Seraphim, did you ever even ask me WHY I wanted to mass claim? Oh no.

Want to sit down and discuss it right now?

Or do you want to rage and insult me some more?

[GreyICE]

Yea I'd love a play-by-play from both you and GI on BEING A TOWN BP: THE PROCESS

Pretty fucking simple. First, I'm not a Town BP. I'm a Town BP in a game that is confirmed to have a Town BP in it.

So basically, my goal has been twofold:

1) Survive as long as possible with as many points as possible
2) Get scum

I had strong scumread on Andrius and Yosarian day 1, and Fate was being nice enough to push them, so I didn't argue. The mass claim came about because I think (AND STILL THINK) it was the RIGHT FUCKING MOVE. If we'd sat down day 1 and tried to figure out what made sense and what didn't we'd probably have a fuckton less derping about here. If nothing else, we'd have told LLD to use all 55 points to SHOOT FUCKING LURCONIS and then we'd have had a real day yesterday.

With a claimed doctor, a claimed tracker, and a claimed EN vig, there is no reason NOT to mass claim. Period.

There's nothing complex going on here. I have all 55 points, because I knew scum thought I was going to be their LyLo mislynch, and I pushed what I could, where I could.

And yes, I had this strategy figured out from day 1, where I implied I was a VT by giving the best strategy for VTs to use when pitching cards.

[GreyICE]

Suck my dick, GreyICE.

Classy, scumbag.

[GreyICE]

Fate is not the Bulletproof.

I am Bulletproof.

There you go, you cheeky fucking scumbag.

You know, I knew I swore not to use the red text to do this, but here we are now.

[GreyICE]

Go to hell, Fate.

I don't care if people wagon me in a dozen games from here on out for not claiming that I'm town in red, I'm claiming in red here and I'm not going to do it again.

You have fakeclaimed tracker results on me. You replace into games just to call me scum, regardless of your alignment. You refuse to talk to me, refuse to work with me, and then complain I was acting scummy because I treat you like a diseased leper.

Now you want to lynch me in LyLo? With two fakeclaims so bad my eyes are bleeding from reading them?

You meta whatever the fuck you want, you cheeky scumbag, I am getting your 'oh no I'm going to bed before I rage more' friend and you lynched, and you can cry in the postgame.

PEDIT: The town would have rolled over if you hadn't faked a guilty on CONFIRMED FUCKING TOWN or if Seraphim could fakeclaim worth a hill of beans. It's easier when your partners aren't FUCKING RETARDED, isn't it?

[GreyICE]

Its a night start.

ohgodohgodohgodohgofd

OHGOD

VOTE: ZANG

KILL IT KILL IT KILL IT

And nothing about other scum prs?

rittteeeeeeeee

The chances of this lottery coming up PR PR is sooo nannas

This is bullshti and the LETS LET NIGHT SORT SHIT OUT game is a fucking crapshoot.

But hell

Lets just do what we were going to fucking do ANYWAY

UNVOTE:
VOTE: ZANG

HEY FATE

YOUR REVISIONIST HISTORY SUCKS.

BLOW ME.

[GreyICE]

And no Fate, no, you didn't just 'happen' to claim a guilty on the bulletproof.

I've let you guys call me scummy without lashing out, I've let you guys try and derp wagon me without fighting, I've let you post shit like this:

Actually GreyICE hasn't pissed me the fuck off yet, you're right

Unvote:
Vote: GreyICE

Defscum.

without mentioning we had a fucking TWO PAGE ARGUMENT.

You're damn fucking right this wasn't just 'by coincidence.' I am fucking tired of arguing with your retarded ass, and I can't read you because you are fucking useless, town or scum. So I let it simmer, I pushed Seraphim who was a fuckton more obvious, and I let you guys play your game.

But I'm not always a fucking pushover Fate. I was handed the ammo to fucking BURN YOU TO THE GROUND HERE.

Of course I used it.

[GreyICE]

And what has Seraphim done this game, SpyreX? How does it make sense to have an innocent on town, and NOT CLAIM IT ON DAY 2?

How does that make sense?

Here's his ISO, SpyreX:
http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... er_sort=Go

What part of this screams town? Which part of it even whispers town?

Yes, Fate is talking a good game. But he's putting on a two man show.

I know there's a post in the quicktopic saying 'holy fuck Seraphim just stop posting I can sweet talk SpyreX.'

I ain't a sweet talker, SpyreX. I'm at L-1. So, I'll make my plea.

Don't vote tonight. Go to bed. Then sit down tomorrow, and read. Take a good long read of that ISO I linked. Take a good long look at Seraphim's claim. Take a good long look at Fate. Take a good long look at me.

You're being sweet talked in LyLo, SpyreX. I make sense as the town bulletproof, because I am the fucking town bulletproof. Fate doesn't because he's not.

[GreyICE]

Honestly you have no fucking clue how close I came to replacing out when LLD said she'd replace out.

I'm sick unto death of this too.

I'll try and rein it in, but for fucks sake. I claimed in red because that's how tired I am of fighting this fight. He tapped Seraphim out for EXACTLY THIS REASON.

Yay, Seraphim has been laying the groundwork for the LyLo guilty for day 3. It still makes no sense to not claim an innocent on a tracker when a mislynch means that today is MyLo. I mean what's the downside?

1) We have a confirmed town tracker
2) Scum shoot cop, leaving tracker alive (and risking being tracked by him)
3) We get a lynch on someone who might be scum.

His claim is scummy, his play is scummy, and he still can't logically explain why he asked me to claim.

Fate... I'm just going to leave that PITA be. I'll reread his ISO when his very existence doesn't make me want to scream.

[GreyICE]

If I were a fucking miller, I'd have claimed it on Day 1. LIKE I ALWAYS DO. Jesus. Anyone who believes a miller claim in response to a cop guilty has rocks in their head anyway.

If I were framed, my claim wouldn't matter.

He panicked. He straight up panicked when I claimed bulletproof. That's the reaction of a liar being caught out.

[GreyICE]

Yeah I'm defending my buddies to the hilt Grey, where are YOURS? I can't WAIT to see what Marble and CES are gonna say about this.


You gonna humor SpyreX and go explain why THEY are town? Especially since they power lynched the tracker yesterday ALL PARROTING THE SAME REASONS as you, so you if you were prtending to be town wouldn't ONE of them at LEAST be scum trying to buddy/copy you?

Oh wait you can't distance "lol the scumteam is on my wagon Marbles confirmed town I dont need to comment on my buddies TROLOLOLOL"

Marble's been town to me pretty much since day 1. He makes sense, he's analyzing the game, and he's being himself.

I won't defend CES, because I can't read him on the best of days.

Now why don't you defend Seraphim and Zang now. Defend their amazing play. Oh wait, you've been defending how it makes perfect sense that I'd react really townie by CLAIMING MILLER IN RESPONSE TO A COP GUILTY.

[GreyICE]

Oh and do we want to talk this game, Fate?

Andrius claimed Doctor, our protective role, day 1. Exactly what scum would claim.
Yosarian claimed Tracker, our investigative role, day 1. Exactly what scum would claim.
I claim our bulletproof day 3. Exactly what scum would claim.

Does that ever get a bit tired?

[GreyICE]

I'm pretty sure the Lurconis case was fucking obvious, without me going over it again and again. If LLD had claimed tracker, I'd have believed her. If SpyreX had claimed tracker I would have believed him. Are you going to fucking pretend that his townflip makes Lurconis' posts suddenly excellent, full of content, and quality?

Oh and on the 'why did scum roleblock:'

Yos, if you flip town he's getting a bullet between the eyes tonight.

ANDRIUS. HIGH PROTECT ON ME TONIGHT.

LLD said she was going to shoot Lurconis, then she... tried to shoot Lurconis. Scum obviously wanted the mislynch, Fate. WIFOM? Only what we saw play out in the thread.

Plus the added bonus of maybe getting a Llamarble mislynch with that exact line of logic.

As for Llamarble, no, I'm sorry, but no. You were the one saying how ultra townie he was day 1, until you suddenly 180d based on... nothing. No change in his posting, nothing. Catch up soon posts? He does those more as town than scum. I can link you to quite a few, if we're going to play meta, I've played more games with him than you, and this is town marble.



SpyreX, you KNOW Seraphim is fakeclaiming. You KNOW Fate isn't bulletproof. Those are both your initial reads, and the only reason you're going in these derpy little circles is because you're being sweet talked by a master. Sit down, close your eyes and think. Seraphim's role makes not the least little bit of sense. Seraphim immediately calling for a lynch on the claimed bulletproof doesn't make the least little bit of sense. You laughed as soon as Fate claimed bulletproof, for obvious reasons. He prattles on about me using WIFOM, but his only explanation of being bulletproof is industrial grade WIFOM.

He's a lying scumbag, and if you fucking hammer here, the only person you'll have to blame in the postgame is yourself. I don't want a single bit of your bullshit like happened after PYP, whining about how scummy I was, any of that nonsense. You can read the fucking thread, you can see how scummy Seraphim's claim is, you can read how unlikely it is to be true, your knee jerk reaction as soon as Fate claimed is that he was a lying SOB.

This shit is obvious as hell, I have outed Seraphim's fakeclaim, and all he could do was rant and rage and insult me. He is outed scum, SpyreX.

[GreyICE]

I am literally begging you. Look at everything that's happened this game. Look at Seraphim's claim. Look at Fate's claim.

LyLo is not the time to be lynching confirmed town without a counterclaim. Everyone on earth knows that.

At the end of the day, this is personal. Fate's pride is on the line. I put it there. But that's all this is, he's trying to rub his face in 'omg I'm a better player than Grey.'

HE IS NOT THE FUCKING BULLETPROOF SPYREX

I AM

AND THAT IS A FACT

I am not going to fucking lie in red, SpyreX. I am not losing to Fate scum because of you and DAROX.

[GreyICE]

Ah yes, you didn't want scum to know your numbers. That old saw.

Seraphim, this claim doesn't even come CLOSE to holding water. It's leaking like a sieve.

What could I claim that would demonstrate I was framed, Seraphim? What would it be, Seraphim? Why did you immediately start ranting about how the 'real bulletproof shouldn't counterclaim' Seraphim? Why did you start screaming for someone to hammer in MyLo, Seraphim?

You're obvious scum here.

[GreyICE]

It's like, OVER 9000% obvious that Fate and Sera are lying.
BOTH their claims are OBVIOUS bullshit.
THAT I would stake the game on.
They contradict themselves a hojillion times and Zoraster isn't retarded.
I still think they may be town liars though.
And therein lies the rub, really.

Also at this point for Grey to be town, 3 of Fate/Sera/Zang/Darox have to be scum.
Ah the joys of not placing my vote early in lylo situations.
Back to SNOOZLIES.

What the fuck IS THIS, Llamarble?

What the fuck is this?

I've hydraed with you like half a dozen times, I've played game after game with you, and you are better than this. I fucking KNOW you're town here, so what is going on? These claims are obvious horseshit. You can read that yourself. Look at them. OBVIOUS FUCKING SHIT FAKECLAIMS. TWO OBVIOUSLY SHIT FAKECLAIMS.

In a game that's 100% about using points to WIFOM other players with roles, and Seraphim has a role that doesn't have enough points to do ANYTHING? Holy fuck, if the scum restock using him, by his claim he'd give them like 15 points because he's got like 4 cards. Backup the doctor? Well good luck because if the scum pitch anything better than a fucking 3, he's pretty screwed, isn't he? Backup a tracker? Ditto. The only thing he could effectively backup is a COP and oh look, here he is. The white knight riding in with a

guilty in LyLo.

You've been there when Krazy faked a guilty on me and we LYNCHED HIS SORRY ASS for being OBVIOUS FUCKING SCUM.

You can watch the progression of this fakeclaim like a slow motion disaster.

Seraphim: GreyICE is scum
Seraphim: GreyICE better claim
Seraphim: OH SHIT WE CAN'T OUT THE REAL BULLETPROOF SOMEONE HAMMER GREYICE
Seraphim: OH YEAH SCUM WOULD TOTALLY SHOOT THE BULLETPROOF OVER THE CONFIRMED COP THAT MAKES SENSE THAT'S WHY HE CAN'T CLAIM, YES YES
Seraphim: Oh I'm a kind of backup
Seraphim: It's like a universal backup
Seraphim {OH SHIT TOWN IS OBVIOUSLY TOTALLY OP WITH MY ROLE BETTER FAKECLAIM NOT HAVING MANY CARDS}
Seraphim: Oh I don't have all 10 cards
Seraphim: I just have these 4 random numbers
Seraphim: Oh my god, I'm an obvious fucking scumbag, I'll resort to namecalling and then log off to go to bed because I'm 'too mad to continue.'

YOU ARE BETTER THAN THIS LLAMARBLE

FAKECLAIMING A GUILTY IN LYLO IS WHAT HAPPENED RIGHT THE FUCK HERE

NOW STOP DERPING ABOUT AND LYNCH OBVIOUS SCUM

[GreyICE]

Ah, sorry, I thought I had explained my role adequately. Apparently not.

I am a Backup. I have 4 cards. 1, 2, 5, and 9. I can use any power of a dead town player who has flipped. Basically, I choose a dead player(for example, Fishyfish the Town Cop), and a target for that ability(for example, GreyICE) and play some combination of my four cards to get my sum total.

I will then proceed to use that player's role like it was my own.

Why did I tell you my numbers? To give my claim a sense of legitimacy and to answer burning questions concerning "WTF is up with Seraph's role" because it was clear that people didn't understand that I never had 1-10, which makes sense when you consider that my role balances out the night start and nothing more.

Oh give me a fucking break, Seraphim. You realized the town was overpowered with your claimed INSANE role, so you modified your claim.

What balances out the night start, Seraphim? The fact it's a night start. The cop can cop a guilty or confirm town. Either one of the trackers can track the night kill. The doctor can prevent the kill. The bulletproof can prevent the kill.

What balances out the night start, Seraphim? How about the role that can't use her power the first night! That seems like a nice way to balance out the night start. AND SHE'S FUCKING FLIPPED ALREADY.

Here you are, preying on the town's desire to have a power role. "Oh look," you say, "A PR died N1, D1, N2, D2, and N3. Sure, that's probably not what Zoraster thought would happen. Sure, that's highly unlikely. BUT I BET THE TOWN WISHES THEY HAD SOMETHING OTHER THAN A BULLETPROOF RIGHT NOW. LETS GIVE IT TO THEM."

Want me to call your bluff, you fucking scumbag? No Lynch. No lynch and you use all the cards left to fucking VIG ME TONIGHT

It's an even night, Seraphim. Right there's a dead vig. Shoot me so hard my brains splatter all over the walls, and look. DEAD FUCKING SCUM, LOL. RIGHT?

Oh no, scum have a roleblocker, and I'm sure they just happen to have 16 points or whatever left on that roleblocker after using it all these nights, we can't be sure, etc. etc.

OH FUCKING RIGHT.

You suck. Your fakeclaim sucks. Your scumbuddy sucks.

The answer to the burning question of 'what's up with Seraphim's role' is that it doesn't exist.

[GreyICE]

Look SpyreX, I know this is hard. To combat some of the venom I'll share an humbling thing about myself:
GreyICE's AtE was so over the top and consistent that I

literally checked my role PM to make sure I was the Bulletproof

. It got to me that much, lol.

So yeah, I WILL commend your performance here GI. You clearly are a good enough actor fake town emotions as scum, even though I think I said this in AGM's game, but the facts are here.

That's what you need to look at SpyreX, PAST his blatant AtE and at the cold hard posts and facts.

I can argue all the posts and facts in this game to the hilt and will come out on top. There is no angle for him to pursue other than "OH YOURE BEING SWEET TALKED SPY" when in FACT he's doing all the "sweet" talking, blowing nothing but emotional air while I SHOW you post by post, why Im town why Sera's town why Zang's town why CES is scum why Marble is scum.

You are not bulletproof

I am bulletproof

You want meta? I fucking swear to you, I ever lie in red, and I never ever use it again. You cheeky damn scumbag, counterclaiming me like this.

AtE? You're watching Seraphim flail so hard that people in other threads are voting him for obvious fakeclaiming. You couldn't stand that, could you? GreyICE gets OBVIOUS SCUM lynched. And you have to sit in the background twiddling your thumbs while your buddy sinks like a stone. And you have to watch no less than FOUR PLAYERS be confirmed town at the same time.

So here you are, with the miracle saving throw. Come on, SpyreX, vote for him. I've handed you the scumteam in a nice little package, despite the fucking awful two days we have, we're riding the horse here, town fucking victory. Llamarble, CES, bus him, quickly now! Bus! Bus! I want to post 'oh I guess you were town after all teehee' after the hammer. Vote! Vote for GreyICE!

You had the right idea back when you were voting no lynch. Darox IS awful enough that he would throw his vote on town instantly in LyLo. Even if Seraphim's godawful fakeclaim gets him lynched, Darox would fuck it up.

But guess what? Even Raivann finally saw the light, back in walking dead. I will watch this stack up, 4-4, and I will laugh, LAUGH at you as you keep up with this craptastic begging for one more vote to move over to my wagon. Because I have three other players who know how to play mafia on this side, and you have Darox who will probably forget what he's been doing in the thread and hammer your goddamn buddy out of BOREDOM.

Your day is done. The only question I have is if you're so fucking confident because Darox is actually the scumbuddy and it's ZANG whose town. That would be a wonderful piece of irony, I suppose. NOT GONNA HAPPEN.

This is not an appeal to emotion. This is an appeal to

REASON.

Seraphim's claim is bullshit
Your claim is bullshit

You don't have the drive to beat me when you're the liar and I'm telling the truth.

Now go on and sweet talk some more townies, see if anyone buys what you're selling.

[GreyICE]

Alright.
MYLO RESEARCH COMPLETE.
I AM READY TO ENTER THE BATTLE.
VOTE: Seraphim

IT BEGINS

NIGHT NIGHT SERAPHIM

NIGHT NIGHT FATE

[GreyICE]

In a game that's 100% about using points to WIFOM other players with roles, and Seraphim has a role that doesn't have enough points to do ANYTHING? Holy fuck, if the scum restock using him, by his claim he'd give them like 15 points because he's got like 4 cards. Backup the doctor? Well good luck because if the scum pitch anything better than a fucking 3, he's pretty screwed, isn't he? Backup a tracker? Ditto. The only thing he could effectively backup is a COP and oh look, here he is. The white knight riding in with a guilty in LyLo.

ROFL

So now Seraphim's role is too WEAK to be true?

LOL I WANT MY ICE CREAM WITH ALL THIRTY FLAVORS BEN

Yes, I get it. Seraphim modified his claim to move it from amazingly overpowered to completely nonsensical.

Good job, have a cookie.

He's still faking a guilty on FUCKING TOWN.

Yes, I am pointing out how the modified claim still makes NO FUCKING SENSE.

But lets review this one, scumbag.

GreyICE:

Seraphim's role is obviously overpowered and insane.

Seraphim:

oh my role isn't overpowered at all because it has this mysterious conditional that I didn't mention, see, it makes sense now, lynch GreyICE

GreyICE:

This new role doesn't make any sense with the theme of the game, the price of tea in china, or ANYTHING

Fate:

LOL LOOK IT'S GREYICE THAT'S CHANGING HIS STORY

I see the appeal to reason lasted all of, oh, 12 seconds, and you're back to screaming and throwing whatever shit comes out of your ass at the crowd.

[GreyICE]

Grey all you have it AtE.

I have facts.

Like I expected you said "LOL WIFOM" when I asked why in the fuck was LLD roleblocked when both the people she wanted dead were town?

That wou;ld've been a FREEKILL for my scumteam.

For your scumteam? You risked Marble dying.

Occam's razor.

Your astronomical AtE will not work here.

Oh come on, free kill for your scumteam? No it's not.

All that would happen is we'd be in 7 man LyLo rather than 8 man MyLo today.

THAT'S ALL THAT WOULD HAPPEN.

That is, by the way, exactly what would happen if we voted No Lynch.

You know, you'd actually have a point if the kill would have cost the town a lynch. But it wouldn't have. It wouldn't have cost the town anything at all.

And now you get to sit here and spout out garbage about 'well why would the scum block the kill on Lurconis unless Llamarble was scum? Huh? Huh?'

I date LLD for fucks sake. If she says she's killing Lurconis, she's killing Lurconis, no ifs, ands, or buts. And you know what? I'd probably have fucking blocked her as scum because Lurconis was scummy as SHIT, and would probably be lynched if he wasn't vigged, leaving the town in 5:3 MyLo. I notice yesterday that Lurconis was such a fucking scumbag that you had to vote for him, but today it's totally plausible that the town wouldn't have lynched him and that therefore the scumteam wouldn't have blocked LLD unless they thought she'd kill Llamarble instead of Lurconis.

Gimme a break, Fate. Of course you block the vig and cost the town a lynch. Plus you get to rail about how scummy she is and how she didn't shoot N2, and how she's obviously scum, and see if any townies buy an LLD lynch (what's she going to do, shoot N3?)

[GreyICE]

Oh yeah right, Fate.

That's the same shit you pulled in Advance Wars. "Oh, I'd never claim the guilty this fucking poorly were I scum," etc. etc.

The plan was for someone other than me to be bulletproof. Heh, prolly Darox, you were like 'oh herp right of COURSE you couldn't be BP...' (shit I thought he'd only be playing this badly if he was confirmed town). You're not even reading the fucking thread, Fate.

[GreyICE]

LOOK AT ME FATE.

Answer me these questions.

1) My comment about his role being overpowered was made PRIOR to his modification. Yes or no, Fate?

2) He modified his claim AFTER my comment. Yes or no, Fate?

3) You tried to say I was scummy because a comment I made about the

modified

claim did not match a comment I made about the

unmodified claim.

Yes or no, Fate?

Answer these questions now, Fate.

[GreyICE]

Soooo, you don't see any scum advantage to having Lurconis alive to be mislynched yesterday?

Or any advantage to not having LLD as confirmed vig (and thus confirmed town since there's confirmed no third parties)?

Yeah, I dunno. Maybe there's no way scum could spend the entire day 2 pushing LLD to see if the town was receptive, and then vote for Lurconis after he herps it up enough that no one on this planet thinks he's town anymore.

You got me Fate, no scum player could possibly do that.

[GreyICE]

Hey Fate.

I'm using WIFOM when I suggest there's reasons other than Llamarble being scum to block LLD from shooting

Lurconis.

Doesn't your entire claim of bulletproof boil down to vast legions of WIFOM to explain how you're actually the bulletproof?

Come on Fate, come on. Show how I wasn't playing like the bulletproof. Show how I'm obviously fakeclaiming. Show the town how much WIFOM I need to explain my play as the bulletproof innocent child.

Your fakeclaim is SHIT, and your spinning is SHIT. And you can use meta for the entire rest of my career on mafia scum when I don't claim in red because I don't like that shit, but today, in this game, you and your scumbuddy are getting lynched for your obvious fakeclaims.

[GreyICE]

YOU GOT IT

ME AND SERAPHIM ARE SCUMBUDDIES

LYNCH HIM FIRST, HE'S THE POWER ROLE HOPING TO CONFIRM HIMSELF BY BUSSING ME BUT I'M JUST NOT DOWN WITH THAT SHIT.

FATE IS THE OBVIOUS BULLETPROOF MY GOD HE ONLY NEEDS A TANKER TRUCK OF WIFOM TO EXPLAIN HIS PLAY OF COURSE HE'S BULLETPROOF.

>.>

[GreyICE]

HEY SERAPHIM WHY DON'T YOU VIG ME TONIGHT
HEY SERAPHIM WHY DON'T YOU VIG ME TONIGHT
HEY SERAPHIM WHY DON'T YOU VIG ME TONIGHT

[GreyICE]

It also says two investigative roles. And that's all there's been SINCE WAIT WHAT SHUTUP SCUMBAG.

And Seraphim, I thought you noticed. LLD got blocked with probably a reasonably high amount of cards. If the roleblock is getting used a lot, then he's nearly out of cards. So... OH WAIT YOU DON'T HAVE MANY CARDS, RIGHT

YOU WILL BE ROLEBLOCKED TONIGHT ANYWAY, OF COURSE

HOW CONVENIENT.

[GreyICE]

Oh cool. So scum have extra cards they got when they gave up their kill night 1.
Oh shit, maybe night 2?
Okay, it was night 3?

Wait a second... -_-

[GreyICE]

Ah, I see. Those cards were necessary. To roleblock the Tracker, maybe. Or the cop. Or the doctor.

Or maybe the bulletproof

Or maybe those points were fucking useless because you'd outed all the power roles except bulletproof, which can't be blocked anyhow, except for SERAPHIM THE AMAZING UBER BACKUP WITH NO CARDS.

[GreyICE]

Stop pretending you don't know how game mechanics work, Fate.

That was kinda cute on day 1, but by now it's getting pretty fucking obvious.

Personal Ability

Personal ability would be listed here. For example, Role Cop.

Factional Abilities

As a faction you have two categories.

Kill

You have 10 "Kill" cards, one each 1-10. You or one of your teammates must PM the mod each night and indicate who you want to kill, which card(s) you want to play, and who you want to carry out the kill. If you carry out your kill and a tracker follows you or a watcher watches your target, you will be undetected carrying out the kill if you played a higher or equal kill card than the track card or the watch card.

You're not even trying anymore.

[GreyICE]

I MEAN LIKE WASN'T THERE THIS WHOLE BIG THING WHERE ALL THE MECHANICS WERE EXPLAINED TO YOU ON DAY ONE?

OH BUT RIGHT

IT LOOKS REALLY TOWNIE NOT TO LEARN THE MECHANICS OR SOMETHING

[GreyICE]

He gives up and claims scum.

Hammer his buddy we'll lynch him tomorrow.

[GreyICE]

Oh wow.

Llamarble, I will hand it to you.

That is a real, genuine scumslip.

And that's why pressure is pro-town folks. Even Fate can derp up his fakeclaim under pressure.

So linking to this the next time someone bitches about me pushing someone.

[GreyICE]

HHEHAEHHEHAHHAHEHA

GUESS

WHOS

FUCKING

TOWN.

ITS TIME FOR JUDGEMENT ========[ ]

First I was happy as fuck, "YES IM CONFIRMED TOWN" I love being confirmed town. You KNOW this. Unkillable, mod confirmed, town?

Yes.

Sex in a can.

?? That's not a slip not even close.

I was town, and BULETproof town at that, so my first reaction tothat pm was HEHAHAHAHA GUESS WHO'S UCKING TOWN because I was HAPPY I got my favorite role.

THAT'S how I'm saying its proof I was BP

I didn't say I was conftown in my first post, just TOWN

Oh I feel a nice long hmmmmm coming on...

hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[GreyICE]

Or I could do a Fate

WHAT THE FUCK IS THIS FIRST YOU SAY YOU WERE HAPPY FOR BEING CONFIRMED UNKILLABLE TOWN, NOW YOU'RE SAYING THAT YOU WERE HAPPY TO BE BULLETPROOF AND HAD NO IDEA THE BULLETPROOF IS CONFIRMED TOWN

FUCKING SCUMCLAIM FUCKING LYNCH WITH FIRE GO GO GO GO GO

Of course I'm more mature than that and acknowledge circumstances changed inbetween these two posts. I mean inbetween them we... err... unconvered that the first post was a lie...

WELP

[GreyICE]

Yes Fate, this is the ONLY thing I have to go on, the ONLY thing I can cling to. Why the rest of you two lovebirds' little story makes 100% sense except for that minor fucking detail of you lying about how you breadcrumbed you were bulletproof. There haven't been any holes blown in ANYTHING else that either of you posted.

Do you have ANYTHING other than canned, regurgitated bullshit lines at this point?

[GreyICE]

[GreyICE]

Additionally, if Fate is a town bulletproof, who does that make the scum?

Seraphim and Zang? Because I'm not scum and nobody else has hammered for the win.

Well Seraphim is fakeclaiming a guilty on me in LyLo, so yeah.

Honestly, when was the last time Seraphim talked to Fate, Fate talked to Seraphim, or that turd Zang talked to ANYONE?

[GreyICE]

Great.

Now we just need CES to make a decision, then I suppose it's onto the 'convincing Darox' stage of getting scum lynched.

Fucking god I hate LyLo.

[GreyICE]

I have about 12 days to convince CES of the truth, Fate. I'm sure the 'dutch bastard' will wake up eventually.

Buuuuuttt, apparently the world will explode if CES doesn't OMG VOTE IMMEDIATELY.

PEdit: Are. You. Fucking. Kidding. Me.

Yep, that's what happened. Yosarian and Lurconis misread their role PMs, despite the differences in their powers being insisted on by BOTH PARTIES

several times

, and it being the entire crux of why two trackers were so unlikely.

Hey drunkfate, your partner derped it up.

[GreyICE]

Only information I have is that either CES didn't do anything night 1, or else he is a scum who outbid me. Since I only used 1 point, that wouldn't have been hard. The way the tracker role works is that if I use any points, I find out what my target did if they were a town power role, but I have to spend more points then the scum do to see if they killed anyone.

Also, my role PM only talks about the scum nightkill and town power roles, so I'm pretty sure there aren't any scum power roles like scum doctor.

Of course I have to track them. Duh. I did say that I tracked CES last night.

If I track the scum who is making the kill and spend less points then the scum do, I see nothing. If I track the scum who is making the kill and spend more points then them, I see who they're targeting. On the other hand, if I track a town power role who's doing something and spend any points at all, then I see what they're doing.

I weighed the pros and cons of this all day and as the discussion keeps moving toward massclaim I decided to go ahead and out myself to scum. I am a town tracker Yos is lying. I originally thought it was possible to have to town trackers as yos said at least, that was why I was somewhat prodding him last night about what he meant by certain things. He ended up saying one thing that is in direct contradiction to my role pm.

On the other hand, if I track a town power role who's doing something and spend any points at all, then I see what they're doing.

I actually had that clarified with Zoraster during night 0 and was told I have to outbid town power roles to track them. His lying about this made me realize he was scum that was why i kept my vote on him.

Of course I have to track them. Duh. I did say that I tracked CES last night.

If I track the scum who is making the kill and spend less points then the scum do, I see nothing. If I track the scum who is making the kill and spend more points then them, I see who they're targeting. On the other hand, if I track a town power role who's doing something and spend any points at all, then I see what they're doing.

no need I had it clarified already my role doesn't work that way.

Your claiming your role works a way that is different of the way mine works.

I know from Zor that in order to track a town power role I have to outbid them, in order to track a mafia using a PR (if they exist) I have to outbid them, in order to track a mafia committing the NK I have to outbid them.

I actually had that clarified with Zoraster during night 0 and was told I have to outbid town power roles to track them. His lying about this made me realize he was scum that was why i kept my vote on him.

That is not true, and I specifically checked with ZOraster about this on night zero. If anyone has a personal role, I track them no matter what, but I can only track the kill if I score higher then them.

Anyway, back to the point. Either you're lying, or you're confused and need to check with the mod about this, or the mod is screwing with us by giving us slightly different roles. The third one is the least likely, so if you are telling the truth, you need to go back and re-read whatever PM's you're talking about, because you probably read them backwards.

[GreyICE]

Also, I read back, it sounds like Yos just made his claim wrong, the two trackers seem to be identical.

I'm not using my computer so I can't really double check to one hundred percent but I looked at that exchange again and it sounds like, when tracking scum, the tracker needs to use more points than the kill to get a result?

Also, I read back, it sounds like Yos just made his claim wrong, the two trackers seem to be identical.

I'm not using my computer so I can't really double check to one hundred percent but I looked at that exchange again and it sounds like, when tracking scum, the tracker needs to use more points than the kill to get a result?

Also, I read back, it sounds like Yos just made his claim wrong, the two trackers seem to be identical.

I'm not using my computer so I can't really double check to one hundred percent but I looked at that exchange again and it sounds like, when tracking scum, the tracker needs to use more points than the kill to get a result?

Also, I read back, it sounds like Yos just made his claim wrong, the two trackers seem to be identical.

I'm not using my computer so I can't really double check to one hundred percent but I looked at that exchange again and it sounds like, when tracking scum, the tracker needs to use more points than the kill to get a result?

Also, I read back, it sounds like Yos just made his claim wrong, the two trackers seem to be identical.

I'm not using my computer so I can't really double check to one hundred percent but I looked at that exchange again and it sounds like, when tracking scum, the tracker needs to use more points than the kill to get a result?

Also, I read back, it sounds like Yos just made his claim wrong, the two trackers seem to be identical.

I'm not using my computer so I can't really double check to one hundred percent but I looked at that exchange again and it sounds like, when tracking scum, the tracker needs to use more points than the kill to get a result?

Also, I read back, it sounds like Yos just made his claim wrong, the two trackers seem to be identical.

I'm not using my computer so I can't really double check to one hundred percent but I looked at that exchange again and it sounds like, when tracking scum, the tracker needs to use more points than the kill to get a result?

Also, I read back, it sounds like Yos just made his claim wrong, the two trackers seem to be identical.

I'm not using my computer so I can't really double check to one hundred percent but I looked at that exchange again and it sounds like, when tracking scum, the tracker needs to use more points than the kill to get a result?

Also, I read back, it sounds like Yos just made his claim wrong, the two trackers seem to be identical.

I'm not using my computer so I can't really double check to one hundred percent but I looked at that exchange again and it sounds like, when tracking scum, the tracker needs to use more points than the kill to get a result?

Also, I read back, it sounds like Yos just made his claim wrong, the two trackers seem to be identical.

I'm not using my computer so I can't really double check to one hundred percent but I looked at that exchange again and it sounds like, when tracking scum, the tracker needs to use more points than the kill to get a result?

Also, I read back, it sounds like Yos just made his claim wrong, the two trackers seem to be identical.

I'm not using my computer so I can't really double check to one hundred percent but I looked at that exchange again and it sounds like, when tracking scum, the tracker needs to use more points than the kill to get a result?

[GreyICE]

I weighed the pros and cons of this all day and as the discussion keeps moving toward massclaim I decided to go ahead and out myself to scum. I am a town tracker Yos is lying. I originally thought it was possible to have to town trackers as yos said at least, that was why I was somewhat prodding him last night about what he meant by certain things. He ended up saying one thing that is in direct contradiction to my role pm.

On the other hand, if I track a town power role who's doing something and spend any points at all, then I see what they're doing.

I actually had that clarified with Zoraster during night 0 and was told I have to outbid town power roles to track them. His lying about this made me realize he was scum that was why i kept my vote on him.

I actually had that clarified with Zoraster during night 0 and was told I have to outbid town power roles to track them. His lying about this made me realize he was scum that was why i kept my vote on him.

That is not true, and I specifically checked with ZOraster about this on night zero. If anyone has a personal role, I track them no matter what, but I can only track the kill if I score higher then them.

Anyway, back to the point. Either you're lying, or you're confused and need to check with the mod about this, or the mod is screwing with us by giving us slightly different roles. The third one is the least likely, so if you are telling the truth, you need to go back and re-read whatever PM's you're talking about, because you probably read them backwards.

[GreyICE]

Why did the moderator put in a universal backup who can copy any power but isn't told how said powers work despite this game featuring

a mechanic that has never been used before?

Why did said universal backup only get four cards?

Isn't the party line supposed to be 'look at the crazy setup, it's

crrrraaaaazzzzyyyyyyyy

'

[GreyICE]

I'm so amazingly glad that you and Fate have managed to determine this role is town without ever questioning it.

But Darox, why did he post this, since you're our new Seraphim?

I dunno about the trackers but.

It seems like

I just act like the role is mine.

As in, these powers are standard.

Like tracker works like tracker, doctor works like doctor.

I just need to use more points than any opposing roles.

Unless you're going to claim like bus driver or some shit.

Also, I read back, it sounds like Yos just made his claim wrong, the two trackers seem to be identical. I'm not using my computer so I can't really double check to one hundred percent but I looked at that exchange again and it sounds like, when tracking scum, the tracker needs to use more points than the kill to get a result?

This is OBVIOUS SCUMFLAIL

He made something up then he PANICKED Darox, and posted the first stupid thing that came into his head 'welp Yos must have misread his role PM!'

Why do you think Yos misread his role PM, Darox?
Why did Seraphim post that immediately Darox?

Don't you think it makes a difference if Seraphim claims and says "I used a 9 to track LLD and she targeted one of the night kills" and LLD says "I'm an even night vig, I used a 14, that's impossible."

But lets ignore that we'd have no way of knowing what Yos' role did that was different from Lurconis' if Yos died N1, WHY THE FUCK DID SERAPHIM IMMEDIATELY FLAIL TO THE IDEA THAT ONE OF THEM WAS MISTAKEN DESPITE THE FACT THEY BOTH CLEARLY CHECKED WITH THE MODERATOR?

[GreyICE]

Oh god I love having Llamarble town.

Hydra buddies for life. <3

[GreyICE]

I'm going to bed

I expect to see scum blood and Grey's body hanging from a noose.

Night.

Hey SpyreX

If you don't vote he has to come back tomorrow night and answer all these questions.

Twelve days, scumteam.

Twelve days.

This is the state Seraphim's claim is in after TWO.

[GreyICE]

Welp.

Unvote, Vote: Seraphim

That difference in PM's was kind of the crux of the end of D1 and the biggest reason why someone would actually investigate. I cant see NOT bringing that to attention if it was the case pretty much right away.

The biggest reason you'd investigate Lurc is because we had two claimed trackers and one of them flipped town.

The fact that they claimed their tracker abilities worked in subtly different ways has basically no bearing on this.

What are you doing?

Darox, the fact that the two trackers worked differently was the crux of the entire lynch! Otherwise two town trackers made sense, but two town trackers that work subtly differently was the entire reason for Day 1/2! What were you doing during that time exactly.

Take a step back and actually LOOK at these claims, Darox! LOOK AT THEM!

Put aside whatever grudge you have and LOOK.

Honestly you're really good at mafia if you just put your mind to it. You can evaluate these claims. Come on Darox, look at them. How does this make sense? How, Darox?

[GreyICE]

Oh god lord this better not be the answer.

Moderator, can we have a prod of Zang?

[GreyICE]

Actually, I still think that when Zoraster makes this whole long speech about how roles work on higher numbers, a role that works no matter what unless it tries to track the night kill is pretty odd. And we still have no idea how that works with the scum roleblocker (I suppose we're going to have to ask Zoraster after the game).

Now how about you look at the Seraphim claim, questioneer?

Unless you think we're REALLY going to get another power role claim <- (me giving hints to my buddies because LOL WE DON'T HAVE DAYTALK).

Huh.

Actually can all players claim the numbers they threw in N2 and N3?

[GreyICE]

Then why did Lurconis' power NOT WORK LIKE THAT? Yes, that's fucking weird, and more to the point it's INSANE that anyone would forget that.

But good catch on the scumslip for the roleblocker, I'd have no way of knowing if any town role was blocked or something without that key bit of inside knowledge.

Where's Zang? I almost want to read one of his posts and pray he's the townie.

[GreyICE]

Also how did Yos' power interact with scum power roles then, Darox.

Since it's so obvious.

[GreyICE]

Darox, Zang, please, put aside any personal animosity you have towards me, step back, and read the game. Please.

Ill be back on a computer to answer questions later on today, so ask away.

Darox, please step back and ask if you are judging me scum because you think I'm scummy or because you personally dislike me. You've accused me of being scummy for knowing scum have a RB. Just take 5 minutes to ask yourself if you're really trying to lynch scum when you vote me, and ask anything.

Zang, wherever you are, for gods sake you are doing exactly what you were in brotherhood, but fuck maybe that is how you play. Please, ask away.

I'll be back on a keyboard this evening.

[GreyICE]

Im not going to lie. I've never lied here.

Yes, I'm appealing to Darox. Yes, I'm appealing to Zang. I need five players to lynch scum here. We have five town. I can't afford to sit high and mighty.

I did call for mass claim. I didn't believe that both Andrius and Yos were town. But look at the benefits:

If both were town we had four confirmed town for scum to shoot through and I could coordinate with them to make sense of this game.
If one was scum we'd get them.
If both were scum we'd be lynching scum days one and two, fuck we barely need PRs at that point.

If scum didn't want confirmed town, they'd have to throw away members to counterclaim.

Now if I were scum why call for mass claim? Id have known all three were town. I'd have three town power roles to shoot. Just back Fate on a Zang lynch, keep my buddies from being locked down, and start with the shooting gallery of town power.

If I were scum I'd have known we'd already outed most of the town powe.

It was what I thought was the best move, given what we had and what I knew at the time.

[GreyICE]

Literally, your argument is as follows:

1) Fate plays a flawless scum game
2) Therefore any time you think you have Fate caught as scum, he is in fact town.

-_-

Also, can I quote the bit where you complain about me posting "mega AtE" for raw irony values?

I'm going to ENJOY having your scumhide on my wall, Fate. Two games, TWO games you get me to L-1 and just can't find a townie to hammer me.


-------
Darox, please talk to me.

[GreyICE]

You and I worked on it. "Is it for holy fire?"

I said at first "nahhh it doesnt make him scum"

Then later

"ohhhhh Darox is (BP/VT) so yeah he WOULD fake a track on him if scum"

And then moving onto that train of thought.

HEY FATE

DIDN'T YOU SKIM THAT PART?

Man I've outed myself as VT since my D1 moment of stupidity.

Fakeclaiming BP would bring the entire game crashing down on me.

Well I must have skimmed that part and maybe thats why I never got the whole triangle thing with you and SpyreX.

PROGRESSION MY ASS

TOWN LOGIC MY ASS

[GreyICE]

Why don't you stick to the not lying part?

'cause you're really fucking bad at the lying. You totally forget what you were supposed to know and not know at different times.

[GreyICE]

You and I worked on it. "Is it for holy fire?"

I said at first "nahhh it doesnt make him scum"

Then later

"ohhhhh Darox is (BP/VT) so yeah he WOULD fake a track on him if scum"

And then moving onto that train of thought.

HEY FATE

DIDN'T YOU SKIM THAT PART?

Man I've outed myself as VT since my D1 moment of stupidity.

Fakeclaiming BP would bring the entire game crashing down on me.

Well I must have skimmed that part and maybe thats why I never got the whole triangle thing with you and SpyreX.

PROGRESSION MY ASS

TOWN LOGIC MY ASS

Fate.

Any commentary on your "town logic" fate? How did your town logic on day 2 involve a fact you said you skimmed past on day 3, Fate?

[GreyICE]

There is no fucking way I'm going to let this stall into the night phase so someone random dies and then you can quicklynch me with Darox/Zang helping tomorrow.

Theoretically Zang has to be on at some point and he can totally be town if he busses.

Come on Zang, you know you want to see Fate get lynched. He's probably been insulting you in the QT nonstop.

[GreyICE]

I honestly had zero expectations the town had a backup.

Zero.

[GreyICE]

By the by, that tracker x 2 us just evil with the mafia framer.

Even if framer is higher he gets tracked and that is just baaaad.

[GreyICE]

You... Have not played with fate often.

He'd totally counterclaim bulletproof as vt.

[GreyICE]

I would have called for that mass claim in that position as town.

I just would have pushed it HARDER after Lurconis' claim.

It was the right move.

[GreyICE]

Yeah, the setup really does look imbalanced in favor of town, from the limited amount of info we have so far. Of course, since it looks like the town's made a whole series of horrible decisions that's leading to the town outing and then lynching every single town power role, it probably doesn't matter. No amount of imbalance can help a town that is REALLY determined to lose, lol.

Yos' quote in the quicktopic was nearly psychic. Town definitely had all the power to win this, all the reads to win this, and just ran in circles.

Irony on no one reading Zang as scum was high. That has to be the single most successful distancing attempt I've ever run in my life.

[GreyICE]

I really don't agree with the nomination for GreyICE; he didn't play badly, and he did a pretty good job with the day 3 game, but this town loss was pretty much entirely self-inflicted by the town self-destructing. The funny thing is, this setup is incredibly balanced in favor of the town; really the only way the town COULD lose this game would be to be absolutely determined, without fail, to force all the major power roles to claim and then to systematically lynch all of them in sequential order, combined with the extreme bad luck of the scum randomly killing the town cop on night zero. You ran this setup 10 times, town would probably win 9 of them.

Yeah, I'm gonna say this is the only reason I'm willing to say we did very good.

There was so much wrong with this setup. I don't care about the cries of the PRs being nerfed, they really weren't. Cop? Investigates two of the three scum correctly, guaranteed, and can beat the tailor for 3/3. Tracker? Oh sure, doesn't track night kill unless it wins. Tracking the tailor is an epic disaster if the tailor flips, as it gives you another free scum lynch, and nothing the tailor does can dodge the tracking. Same for the roleblocker - LLD wagoned to claim D2? If she's RBed N2, and either tracker sees Llamarble,

which they do on a 1

hello day 3 lynch. Doctor was the only nerfed one.

Meanwhile setup information confirmed so much town it wasn't even funny. If lurc had asked zoraster, we'd be looking at 5 confirmed town on day 1. They could be 5 innocent childs and it would be an uphill battle for scum, nevermind 5 power roles.

That's why the backup was so unbelievable, the town was already overpowered enough without backup, and I could TOTALLY see the scenario Llamarble laid out (bulletproof fakeclaims cop to draw kill, I claim bulletproof, he flips the fuck out, Fate sees what's happening and fakeclaims).

[GreyICE]

Wait what.

Yos defended Zang?

Who was telling me that Zang's play involved lots of scumhunting and that he was obviously town? You had quotes and explanations and everything.

[GreyICE]

Me because I was going all out to try and convince Spy to hammer you.

Rest assured if Zang opened his mouth again I'd lynch it with fire, but he just powerlurked

Oh I know.

He kinda lurked in the scum QT too.

[GreyICE]

That'll be the next game I play with Zang.

Trust me, that was VERY alignment independent there.

[GreyICE]

Also, for the WotC stuff - 2 people WotCed LLD, zero WotCed Zang when I canned the entire program.

That is NOT working as intended

[GreyICE]

Oh dun worry, it's very, very mutual.