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Damn, these misspells and the misunderstandings they cause.
4.)Tuncali has no idea how this game is played as long as he points out the "Cop" thing before ANY NIGHT PHASE EVER PASSED. In short, it's too pathetic to deserve a vote.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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I really call them as I see them, really. I mean, I'm playing a newbie game right now and most people, though just as new as me, seem more experienced than that guy.petroleumjelly wrote:Actually, no.
Because this is athemed game, it is actually possible for me to have information relating to BlenBlen. Which is one reason why -- rather than assuming Tuncali "has no idea how this game is played," as you claim -- I asked him his level of experience.
5.)I find it curious that you suggesting somebody with a join date of Janaury 17, 2011 has "no idea how the game is played" when your own join date is March 5, 2011 (i.e. nine days ago). Can I take it you're an alt / otherwise experienced, then?Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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It's not exactly wise to do that. Lurkers are likely scum, but people that don't post at all can't be scum.petroleumjelly wrote:
You seem to be discounting Day Roles, as well as roles that start the game with information. But that is neither here nor there.
Actually see rule 2?petroleumjelly wrote:Actually, no.
Because this is a themed game, it is actually possible for me to have information relating to BlenBlen. Which is one reason why -- rather than assuming Tuncali "has no idea how this game is played," as you claim -- I asked him his level of experience.
Anyway I'd like to think that someone postulating that you might be a cop with a night 0 investigation and with the ability to share your results in night 0 is probably very new. Didn't make it any less amusing to read tho
Amrun, I would like four votes for the following four reasons:
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4.)To badger non-posters (currently Magnetic & ender241)
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Logic, mostly. Voting for someone that is completely absent is equivalent to picking at random. So the chance of him being town is 13-x out of 13, x being the number of non-townies. And that's high, at least until day 3.scotmany12 wrote:
And do you have anything to back up this claim of yours?Meransiel wrote:It's not exactly wise to do that. Lurkers are likely scum, but people that don't post at all can't be scum.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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Because everyone has a right to defend himself. At least, day 1-wise. You don't vote on people that don't post, you ask the mod to prod them and get them replaced. Until that happens, voting for them means voting at random. And that's fairly anti-town (though unavoidable in some cases).Truant wrote:@Meransiel: Kinda what Tuncali said, why are you defending somebody that has probably ~1/4 chance of being scum when you have nothing to prove that he's pro-town?
As such, I won't vote for someone that never posted. I suggest you don't rush with that yourself.
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I don't know yet, that's the problem, most people seem neutral (though honestly I'm not getting town reads either). Yes, that includes ender and Tuncali.
I'll keep my vote on moz (who does seem a bit too clean and cautious - more gut than logic here, but meh) until a better choice arises.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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Roleplaying animals? Sorry, the closest I've ever been to that was a druid that could become half cougar (yes, he was also immortal and yes, he could reincarnate - I'm overpowered mike that). But the point is, it would be boring.mozamis wrote:I'll read through properly later and try and get some scumhunting going.
But just a question relating to theme games -do we say what animal we are, or does that give a clue as to our alignment? Do we roleplay at all, or is that not relevant?
Given there's absolutely no analysis involved, information is the best we've got when speaking of people that don't post.Truant wrote:Yeah, I believe it's commonly referred to as IIoA.
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ThisAmrun wrote:Just a warning that I might go on V/LA this weekend. Not yet, but this weekend.
I think I will, but I will try to post. I just can't be relied upon.
It's my 21st birthday tomorrow. Haha.couldbe code. Hmm...keeping my eyes on ye...
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Mafia is never easy. And you're jumping to conclusions like a monk in a roofless maze.Truant wrote:VERY happy with where my vote is at (Meransiel) due to the rolefishing that just went on in 79. Yay for IIoA, defending a scum-lurker-buddy (most likely) and rolefishing within the first 4 pages of a mini theme. I don't know if this could get any easier.
@Blen: What problems are you referring to? Why are problems worthy of a vote?
By the way, he is flaking, not lurking. Huge difference.
@Amrun: You can use something like that to make up an uncrackable code, also, the weird phrasing, also, the repetition of "weekend".Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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Thanks.mozamis wrote:
Maybe you are drawing too many conclusions from his actions.Truant wrote:What other conclusions should I draw from your actions? You're a townie that wants to help scum as much as possible?
Hey, anything is possible.scotmany12 wrote:
Moz is all over the place, and isn't a bad place to put a vote. As far as meransiel and moz go, I can see them being scum together. Him say he would probably unvote him, then leaving his vote on him two hours after that (using gut as his justification) is strange.OhGodMyLife wrote:@scotmany, what are you thoughts on moz? What do you make of moz and meransiel's interactions?
Oh, and Meransiel accusing Amrun of posting in code is ludicrous.
I'm starting to get pro-town reads from you, that post is really rational.OhGodMyLife wrote:You guys I'm totally zonked on Nyquil and should have fallen asleep like an hour ago but doesn't this just seem really.. obvious? I mean. So obvious. Moz and meransiel. Everyone weigh in on them. Is there something funky going on here or what?
Psst blenblen try again, calling their posts fluff is itself more fluffy than their posts.
Not exactly, no. If I was mafia, keeping my head low and voting for someone who is defenseless would be the most pro-town thing to do. By defending a flaker, I'm not making myself a favor, I'm putting myself at risk. You're jumping to conclusions, as I have said.petroleumjelly wrote:Meransiel, in my opinion, was making a "policy" argument; which almost by definition is not going to contain an "analysis" on players. My problems with his posts, on the other hand, are (i) I don't think the policy is applicable a few days after a game starts, and (ii) I think Meransiel was using the argument to make himself look Town by talking of justice and fairness.
@Truant post 95: All that you have said can be invalidated by me PMing a single thing to the mod. Why so much pressure AGAINST something so easy to do? Because I COULD be in team with the guy and replacing him COULD strengthen the mafia? Sorry, but the alternatives are far easier to believe.
As such, I'll kindly ask the mod to prod.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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It was a probable certainty, not an absolute one. Voting for someone who has a 25% chance of being scum, not increased or decreased by any factors, isimplosion wrote:I read the thread.
Unvote, Vote: Meransiel.
To put it simply, nothing Meransiel says has any logic.
Strange thing to say, could be covering up for a scumbuddy who isn't posting - more importantly, though, it makes no logical sense.Meransiel wrote:Lurkers are likely scum, but people that don't post at allcan't be scum.worsethan RVS.
I saw people die based on this reason alone. Basically, the mafia are struggling to do 2 things: be in the middle of wagons, and offend as few people as possible. Due to those reasons, they do tend to change votes a lot.implosion wrote:Meransiel wrote:Petro, you change your vote way too often. I'm not suspecting you or anything, it's just a risky thing to do.
I get that you aren't voting on this because you think pj is more town overall - but how is it relevant (or what do you mean) when you say that changing one's vote is "risky" or "weird?" It's day one, with 7 to lynch... I don't see how it's risky, at all, to change votes. In fact, I don't see why you would be concerned with something being "risky" in this way... the only way I can think of it being risky would be for mafia who want to avoid looking scummy. could you clarify this?Meransiel wrote:Cause it's weird. And usually a scum tell.
Everything is speculating. Why are you bringing up that I am scum if the only way to tell is by killing me, which is defeating the purpose if I'm town?implosion wrote:
Why would you think that something like this is code? And if you're just speculating and there's no way to tell if it's really code, why bring it up at all?Meransiel wrote:Thiscouldbe code. Hmm...keeping my eyes on ye...
You probably think that question is stupid and doesn't deserve an answer. Well, so is yours.
I found a reason or to to unvote, but not great reasons to vote someone else. Well, up to this point, now I have.implosion wrote:Also, Meransiel's voting pattern is really weird. RVS vote, quickly changed to a vote based on a typo... which Meransiel still hasn't changed, despite accusing multiple other players of things that could be scummy. Meransiel, do you still fos mozamis more than other people, and if not why are you still voting her? If so, why?
Where did I say anything about gut?implosion wrote:mozamis is also scummy, and they would make sense as a pair, but I'm going to stay away from pair speculation before any flips. I don't think mozamis is as scummy as Meransiel, whose contributions all lack logic and who hasn't justified his vote with anything except for gut.
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Vote: scotsman12for generally just agreeing with the most popular wagon, re-enforcing that in a way that really doesn't help discussion and all-around short posts.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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Point 1: if I am oh so willing to act anti-town and not vote someone that doesn't post, why did I forfeit said advantage by asking the mod to prod him?
Point 2: I know I did not express myself very well with that post about probability. I did clarify though in later posts, check them.
Point 3: no, just as something can look scummy, something else can look like code. How am I worse from the people that bash nacho for his obviously role-impaired posts?Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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Point 4: I was condemning my vote in 50 with that remark. That's why I changed it to scotsman later on, anyway. I never rely on gut to effectively lynch, just had no options at that time.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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I pm'd him. You can ask him if you want. Also, that would be Magnetic.petroleumjelly wrote:1.)<3 yays MBL you better not be scum <3
2.)scotmany12, why did you accuse mozamis of voting me for a “basically OMGUS” reason? kunkstar7, why do you apparently agree with that? Seems to me like mozamis’ vote was for the reasoning behind my Meransiel vote, if anything.
3.)Meransiel, you said here:
Exactly when did you ask Shanba to prod anybody? And who did you ask to be prodded?Meransiel, Post 108 wrote: Point 1: if I am oh so willing to act anti-town and not vote someone that doesn't post, why did I forfeit said advantage by asking the mod to prod him?
By the way, I would not suggest lying to me when you respond to this.
Hmm...like most people, I agree that MrBuddyLee's opening post was scummy as hell and my vote was sitting on a player I didn't think was scum anyway, so...
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@nopointinactingup: Oh, how sweet, certain I'm scum, are ye not? Mind stating exactly why?
Also, information-wise, it would be better to vote for moz. If I die and flip town, you will get a null-town read on him so hard it will probably protect him for a day or so. But, if he flips town, it would raise suspicion on me (notice the way I'm not defending him).Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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Or we could be both innocent - possible, yes?OhGodMyLife wrote:humm I think maybe moz is scum and meransiel is town but I gotta think it over when I'm not so hung over.
No, I wasn't lying, his attitude looked extremely low-risk low-reward, which is inherently scummish. And, if you check the last count, the mod flat out IGNORED my vote (whatever).MrBuddyLee wrote:Also, @Meransiel:Meransiel, March 18 wrote:
I found a reason or to to unvote, but not great reasons to vote someone else. Well, up to this point, now I have.implosion wrote:Meransiel, do you still fos mozamis more than other people, and if not why are you still voting her? If so, why?
Vote: scotsman12for generally just agreeing with the most popular wagon, re-enforcing that in a way that really doesn't help discussion and all-around short posts.
Were you lying when you said you had a "great reason" to change your vote from mozamis to scotsman12?Meransiel, March 20 wrote:my vote was sitting on a player I didn't think was scum anyway, so...
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What are your exact positions on those two players?
But then, you came with that "looking at the oh so scummish post history of my predecessor"...and THAT got me reconsidering.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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1. I like the way you suddenly stop thinking I'm scum for a reason or another.OhGodMyLife wrote:
In brief, moz is defending/buddying up to you because you were taking a bunch of heat and looked like you'd possibly be lynched, and he wanted to be in the position to say "told you so" when you flipped town, or at least have you in his corner from this point on. Don't be hoodwinked.OhGodMyLife wrote:
No I'm pretty sure you're town. Moz is the one I'm concerned about.Meransiel wrote:And you think we are, dude .
2. I don't trust any of you bar 1 or 2 people, and they're not moz.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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Quoting anything PMed to or from the mod is forbidden, you know that.petroleumjelly wrote:2.)Meransiel, when did you ask for Magnetic to be prodded? Please specify around what post in the game you asked for this prod.
I am SURE scotsman is scum, you're just an easier lynch. But JUST as scummy as he is.MrBuddyLee wrote:
* Meransiel for unvoting mozamis so he could vote someone he doesn't think is scum, replaced by a terrible vote on MBL while avoiding a question about mozamispetroleumjelly wrote:Obvjoke is obv.
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I didn't try to skirt anything. I just don't see the point in telling you something you can't verify. But here: post 80, give or take.petroleumjelly wrote:1.)Meransiel, I'm not asking you to quote anything. I am asking you at what point in the game yousentyour PM. Specifically, I would like you to tell me around what post of the game you asked for the prod. Did you ask around Post 50? Post 75? Post 100? No quoting involved. Don't ignore this, or try to skirt it again.
No, I didn't do that. You are jut feeling like I did. That's just the way I speak most of the time.petroleumjelly wrote:In any case:
->a.)I did not vote Meransiel for “being patient.” I voted him because his post looked more like posturing than helpful. His speaking of equity and patience in the first couple page of the game – basically, saying that I should not place my single vote, incapable of lynching somebody by itself – made no sense given the surrounding circumstances, and seemed like an attempt to make himself look Town by saying something he believes will sound Townish.
->b.)Further, implicit in his soapbox speech was the presumption that Meransiel has played through a fair deal (or read through a fair deal) of mafia games before, because he was making generalizations about how mafia games are played. But because Meransiel had already told us that he is a new player (and was only able to call Tuncali “new” because he seemed comparatively rawer to the players in Meransiel’s sole Newbie Game), it seems inconsistent to claim to be new on one breath, but then talk as if you are a veteran on how mafia games pan out in the next breath.
Also, about the experience bit. I have played elsewhere, just not in mafia-oriented sites. And I didn't comment on Tuncali as being "raw" or "newbish", but straight up stupid. (Tuncali, in case you want to strangle me, notice the past tense)
Are YOU on drugs? My vote was on mozamis when I voted you! If you don't believe me, check the most recent vote count before that reply!MrBuddyLee wrote:
Are you on drugs?Meransiel wrote:MrBuddyLee wrote:
* Meransiel for unvoting mozamis so he could vote someone he doesn't think is scum, replaced by a terrible vote on MBL while avoiding a question about mozamispetroleumjelly wrote:Obvjoke is obv.I am SURE scotsman is scum, you're just an easier lynch. But JUST as scummy as he is.Meransiel, Friday 4pm wrote:Vote: scotsman12for generally just agreeing with the most popular wagon, re-enforcing that in a way that really doesn't help discussion and all-around short posts.
You just said you didn't think scotsman was scum and now you say you're SURE he's scum?Meransiel, Sunday 4AM wrote:Hmm...like most people, I agree that MrBuddyLee's opening post was scummy as hell andmy vote was sitting on a player I didn't think was scum anyway, so...
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You're a goddamned train wreck. Please explain your seemingly constant contradictions. What are your exact positions on mozamis and scotsman?
Though, you making this mistake gives kind of a town read...man this is hard...Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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No, what YOU don't understand is that in post 113 my vote is written on mozamis.
I never thought scotsman could be town.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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Thing is, I was referring to the vote count. So, when I said my vote was sitting on a player that I didn't think is scum, I was indeed referring to mozamis. But there's no way I can make you believe me.
moz, I see what you're trying to do, please, tone it down a little.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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Dude, this is the internet.mozamis wrote:
why? you're worried people think we are scumbuddies?Meransiel wrote:Thing is, I was referring to the vote count. So, when I said my vote was sitting on a player that I didn't think is scum, I was indeed referring to mozamis. But there's no way I can make you believe me.
moz, I see what you're trying to do, please, tone it down a little.
Think people are smarter than that.
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I really feel that scotsmany plays it safe, even too safe. He jumped on my wagon when it was extremely popular, and most of his posts are him either agreeing or disagreeing with somebody else's argument. In short, he's not contributing with anything, and making it appear as if he is. Or anyway, that's the impression he gave me.
On those grounds, I don't really know if he should be hammered right away, but the fact that kind of nobody suspects him scares me a little.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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What the actual fuck?!petroleumjelly wrote:If you do not explain, I will DayVig you.
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Vote will be removed when you explain what the hell you did there.
Mozamis had the popular wagon, but the popular theory was that we were scum together. In any case, not only Truant was suspicious of me, not even at that point. Also:scotmany12 wrote:
First, when I voted for you, there was only one other person (truant) who was voting for you. Mozamis had the popular wagon. Not you. Second, please show where most of my posts are me either agreeing or disagreeing with somebody else's argument? A quick iso of me shows that this is in fact not the case. I fully disagree with the statement that I am not contributing with anything.Meransiel wrote:I really feel that scotsmany plays it safe, even too safe. He jumped on my wagon when it was extremely popular, and most of his posts are him either agreeing or disagreeing with somebody else's argument. In short, he's not contributing with anything, and making it appear as if he is. Or anyway, that's the impression he gave me.
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Why mention it then if you don't suspect it?Meransiel wrote:Petro, you change your vote way too often. I'm not suspecting you or anything, it's just a risky thing to do.
You don't post too much, not to quote.scotmany12 wrote:That WIFOM in Meransiel's last post only makes me more confident in my vote.
Preview Edit: Mozamis's vote on pj sucks, and is basically OMGUS.
Also, you're tunneling on me. Badly. And your attempts to touch on the suspicion of other players seems intentionally weak. You don'twinthe game by lynching me, you know. Well, not by just that, anyway.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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Sorry, felt the urge to do that.implosion wrote:@Meransiel, what do you think of mozamis'signoringofpj/mbl's questions? Do you think it's scummy at all? Why or why not?
Yes, I do think it's quite scummy. I'm reluctant to do anything against him though...who knows what kind of role he has that he decided to protect me so much? And who knows what will happen to me if he is lynched...
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And so, the Scum tactics 101 received another entry. Number of total entries: 1.Amrun wrote:Why would a lynchee be announced? That makes no sense.
Way to dodge the point.
Also your insults have been noted. Scum tactics 101.
Very well, then. Wanna make a deal?petroleumjelly wrote:
And I don't care. I know what I'm doing, and why I'm doing it.Meransiel wrote:@petro, I'm still demanding to know why the hell you claimed vig.
Please tell me who else you have accused, and yes, I am talking about people you built cases on in more than a single post.scotmany12 wrote:@Mer: I win when all the scum are dead. I think you are the most likely to be scum. So i'm going to vote for you. And how have my attempts to touch on the suspicions of others seem intentionally weak? You seem to throw around a lot of accusations against me, but you never explain them. And when I asked you to explain how most of my posts were just agreeing and disagreeing with each other, you quote two posts, don't elaborate on them at all, and say that I don't have a lot of posts to quote. So were you just lying when you initially said all I have been doing was agreeing and disagreeing with people?
And you are voting for someone who just claimed to have the ability to dayvig. An action which can be confirmed. Why would you ever do such a thing as town?
I'm inclined to believed PJ at the moment. I was a oneshot dayvig in frogs 1.
No, it isn't, it's completely null. I'm inclined to believe he is, in fact, dayvig (especially since he claimed without even being under pressure, which, even though is weird as hell and WILL get him killed, is not a scum move).mozamis wrote:we need an answer PJ as to why/if you have claimed vig. Saying "i dont care" is unhelpful to town.
The only issue is the incredibly stupid way he is going to abuse his power (made obvious by himself, really). I am actually 90% sure he will kill 2 townies in a row, maybe even more.
This will probably get me lynched, but whatever: moz, I kind of have been pretty scummy...not on purpose, just because I wasn't careful enough with my posts. There's no way in hell anybody could be able to say what you just said without some prior, PR information.mozamis wrote:To answer your question: I havent seen anything scummy from Meransiel.
Please explain, for your own sake.
+everything else scots attacked mozamis withscotmany12 wrote:...There were two other questions for you to answer Mozamis. You totally just avoided answer why you think both pj and MBL are scum. Again.
Are you just now trying to prove you're not tunneling on me? Cause it isn't the best attempt ever.
Pay some attention, please. I don't think mozamis is town. I just don't want to risk any game-related side effect of him getting killed. I said that already in an earlier post.implosion wrote:Meransiel, so are you not attacking mozamis because mozamis is defending you? How does mozamis defending you, in any way, make mozamis look like town to you?
Why would Truant be a good flip?kunkstar7 wrote: Good flips right now:
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OGML (now tied to mozamis considering previously noted connection. I want to see mozamis flip first.)
Nah. Votes have uses other than hammering. Pj acts as if he's ze leadorz, and provided he really is dvig, this could go horribly wrong - a couple of votes on him should convince him to lose a bit of pride and be a team player.MrBuddyLee wrote:Tuncali, do you understand that petroleumjelly is essentially claiming to be a vigilante, a role that is most often town? He claims to be trying to extract better behavior from this town by threatening slackers with immediate death by vigilante kill if they do not comply.
Do you have a problem with him demanding better behavior from town?
Or do you suspect that petroleumjelly is faking his vigilante claim? Or do you think he is a vigilante that is not town?
Because if you think he is a town vigilante, but you are still voting for him, then you are scum.
That's the smartest point made so far. Not the best one, not the most consistent one, just really cunning. I think a scum would be more likely to come up with this...so, Amrun, up my reads ...Amrun wrote:MrBuddyLee wrote:
Because if you think he is a town vigilante, but you are still voting for him, then you are scum.
Mostly because of this.
He asked Tuncali questions and then told him how to answer to avoid suspicion.
Stop. Doing. That. It's not helping anybody.petroleumjelly wrote:Hours Until Eligible for Being DayVigged
1.)OhGodMyLife: Approximately 16 hours
2.)BlenBlen: Approximately 28 hours
If Truant doesn’t post content as promised, he is susceptible to being added to the Eligibility List, given that his last substantive post was on Sunday.
Oh, already going to use your vote today? Wow, this is SO going to end in a mafia lynch (extreme sarcasm).petroleumjelly wrote:I claimed my role because I was already going tousemy role today at some point anyways -- which is effectively the same as claiming, since I have to post my kill in-thread.
I just pray to God you're one-shot. If that's the case, at least it will be one-for-one: one dead townie, one confirmed townie player. And that's the BEST case scenario I can think of.
Oh, dude, beneficial or not, and though I won't even try to push it...when you die, I will be so happy...nopointinactingup wrote:
Lol Wut? Why the vote? ( Oh shit he's DayVig, get rid of him, GET RID OF HIM .. *subconciously votes* ... )Meransiel wrote:
What the actual fuck?!petroleumjelly wrote:If you do not explain, I will DayVig you.
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Vote will be removed when you explain what the hell you did there.
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Those posts were proof of you just agreeing and disagreeing with others. All other posts were purely accusations on me at that point (and even later on), pointing out tunneling. By the way, if memory serves, your case on nopoint was quite weak.
And why would it be so bad not to give all reads? Both the mafia AND the town will have access to more information, and I do believe the town can benefit more from it.
Also, if you really think only scum vote for claiming vigs, why don't you ask petro to kill me. Actually, no, do it, I dare you.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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Because nobody defends you. And not a lot of people attack you. Cozy spot, ain't it? The thing with the cozy spot is - no matter who dies in the game, it won't give us any information about you. Good thing there's a way to get that information by force.Truant wrote:Meransiel, why would I be a good flip? Why aren't you voting for me if you want to see?
side point: I find it quite interesting that of the 3 people that want to see you flip, you only demand answers from the most suspicious one. But whatever.
Oh, by the way, plan.
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Petro, you can both confirm your role and not bring us closer to losing by doing this: simply put, if someone reaches L-1, you daykill him. (ignore this if you're 1-shot, of course). This way, he was going to die anyway, so it's not like the town will end up any worse.
Or, even better, you can kill me for suggesting that .Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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I didn't say pj is scum. No, pj is 100% town. That doesn't mean that I agree with anything he is going to do.kunkstar7 wrote:
PJ's method is so clearly town. He is actively enforcing an activity level in the game, without any bias, which is clearly a protown intent.Meransiel wrote:And Lynch all Lurkers is?Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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No, that's the point. Thought I made it crystal clear 2-3 pages ago.kunkstar7 wrote:
This was obviously was in reference to PJ's method, because I don't see any other form of LaL being attempted here. So unless you are making an irrelevant point, that's what I assumed.Meransiel wrote:
I didn't say pj is scum. No, pj is 100% town. That doesn't mean that I agree with anything he is going to do.kunkstar7 wrote:
PJ's method is so clearly town. He is actively enforcing an activity level in the game, without any bias, which is clearly a protown intent.Meransiel wrote:And Lynch all Lurkers is?
@whoever was talking at me: I don't find anything dodgy with BuddyLee.
Your constant defense on me, your tunneling on MBL, your casual ignoring of accusations, your complete lack of long posts i.e. actual cases and not just PI.mozamis wrote:well, tell me why you are suspicious of me
Shall I go on?
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irrespective of whether or not either player has picked up their prod, it has not been 48 hours since the prod (as seen in my post history).9) Please let me know in advance if you are going to be away. If you are inactive without warning for 48 hours, I will send a prod. If that prod is not picked up in a further 48 hours, I will search for a replacement. If you manage to contact me before I find a replacement, you can continue with your place in the game, but after I've found one it's too late.
That's now 48 hours since the prod, and since neither has posted I am now searching for replacements.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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Damn this game is piling up so quickly...you either post everyday or get lost.
Good day to the new guy, hope you'll have a jolly good time textwalling about me, and then praying I actually take a better look at it.
MBL, it is curious that although you consider me the 4th or 5th scummiest (and there are likely 2 or 3 scums), your case on me is the most consistent, but whatevs. Do you want me to comment on the things you have unclear about me? Cause it looks like the sort of thing not worth doing without an actual request.
Not liking the attacks of petro against MBL, but since the vig thing is perfectly verifiable, I will limit myself to believing he is 100% town until day 2 (I think that answers one of MBL's questions). And, of course, not liking the slight suspicion of people in general about petro, since it's pointless.
@Darkstrike: Lol, took you some time to write all that. Impressed is all.
@mozamis: Glad to see you working somewhat better lately.unvoteVoltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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If mozamis turns up town, I think I'm kinda fucked. Everybody would vote for me, so my opinion on the matter would be worthless, but whatever: I would vote for you, MBL. It is hard for me to perceive you as scum right now, I agree (what with your posts being coherent, pro-town and picturing pretty obvious scumhunting and logic that is not fallacious), but here's my problem: you're building cases on everyone, and drawing the connections back to me and moz (more me than moz, but whatever). I don't say that is wrong, actually, good job no matter your alignment. But this way, you can retreat to one of your other cases, would a mislynch happen (I can't say right now if you're working preemptively as a strategy, subconsciously, or not at all, but a moz town flip would clarify the matter a bit). And if you're scum, you know a mislynch will happen, so you do the exact opposite of tunneling (which is the main difference between you and...well, absolutely everybody else, honestly) to keep in fresh with suspects, and also make us suspect each other (which, as I have stated above, is a great strategy for either alignment, so I cannot tell until mozamis dies).MrBuddyLee wrote:* If mozamis comes up town, who do you think is more likely to be scum?
If mozamis turns up scum, I would have to go with scots. When most people were schooling moz and giving him some rest, scots was genuinely hunting him down (just like MBL, but, as stated above, MBL plays cleanly and consistent in general, so it doesn't apply) and reinstating the questions moz was ignoring, bringing up new accusations and such, which could either be scumhunting or faking scumhunting. This is either classical bussing, as if moz turns up scum, we would never think to connect the two of them (something scots is very clearly aware of), or a genuine attempt to kill scum. Again, we can't tell until moz flips.MrBuddyLee wrote:* If mozamis comes up scum, who do you think is more likely to be scum?
So, yeah, I do believe that a moz flip is most urgent now (though I do believe a lot of people will comment on me changing my mind too often, but there's nothing I could do about it). I also believe that at least 1 scum is on his wagon (no matter his alignment), but we can work on that on day 2.
I hereby declare that I will hammer unless petro posts. No, I'm not joking.Voltaire fan. (yes, both of them). If you are a fan as well, pm me, and we'll converse for hours about why they're awesome.-
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