Mini 246: Unknown Role Mafia - Mod Abandoned

[Nai]

I agree with TSA. I'm not much for an early lynch, but I think we really should do something early. Have all our votes in quickly so day 1 can end and day 2 can begin. We're not gonna get any information if we don't vote, and there's not much point in talking.

The only thing we can come up with today is a plan on our lynches. But the problem is, you only know if someone went through with the plan the next day.

That reminds me...

Mod

, do we see the names of who voted what the next day?

[Nai]

I don't think a dice roll is a good idea. Simply because some people will want to experiment. For instance:

Say the Doc, Cop, AND Mafia all hit the same person. We have no lynch, Cop gets his results, supposedly. but the Doc and Mafia won't know who they are.

I think it would be good to keep the mafia in the dark about themselves, if they don't know who they are already. I think they might actually know. We're shooting in the dark here.

I think we should probably try not to base all of our votes on one person. Maybe just two. That way we can get EXACT roles. If Iammars votes me, and he's vig, he might kill me. Therefore, we know Iammars is vig. But if he AND doc vote me, I dont die, so we don't know anything about them. We'd probably just think that a roleblocker got someone, or something.

See where I'm going with this?

[Nai]

Actually, there is, but it would mean sacrificing our lynch. Everyone votes for a seperate person. Hard to pull off, as some people would vote otherwise simply to spite the plan.

Here's what we could do. Have two people vote one person, and the rest vote seperate people. We have a majority for a lynch, and then we get more accurate results on everyone else.

Mind, there are still chances that we'll have a doc land on the majority. But it's a lot less likely. This way, we'll also see right quick how many killing groups we have. That's also the downside of the plan. If we have more than one killing group, we could be giving the scum a heck of an advantage.

[Nai]

Agreed with waiting for the mod to answer a few questions. I like the "vote for the person under us" idea. It makes it VERY simple to discover mafia

[Nai]

Vote's away!

[Nai]

Crola, here's what we seem to know by what the Mod has stated:

Our roles are unknown even to us. We vote by PM. It seems to be widely accepted that your role's powers are targetted with your vote.

We'll see what is true when day dawns.

[Nai]

I'm going to guess that Lich had the ability to add on extra votes after he learned his role, and every three game days he was able to add three extra votes. Just my guess, from the way it's worded.

[Nai]

Well, night was incredibly short, so they might not know we're back in session. Give them some time.

My question is, if they're scum, why didn't they kill someone last night? It seemed our departed Lich was killed by a majority. Though, I wouldn't be suprised if Mafia got an extra half a point of vote or so each to help get the majority.

[Nai]

He might, Ender, but if you take his speculation to be accurate, it's very possible. If you have three scum that have to land all of their votes on the same person, you'll have... Well, I"m not going to do the math, but a very, VERY low chance of the scum ever killing someone. They can't talk to each other without it being in thread. So either they convince everyone to kill that guy anyways, do a split vote with 3 on someone (it was reccommended...) or you have two people that have much higher chances.

[Nai]

I voted for PBug last night and got confirmation as such. Hmm... I wonder...

I've got a question. I was sent a PM right before day dawned. Was anyone else sent a PM at about that time? I think Iammars and Jentsu have gotten one, but I missed anyone else.

[Nai]

But why not say 'I disagree'? Sounds like a claim for a posting restriction, and those generally turn out scummy.

In any case, I think we might need to consider what the voting strategy is tonight. I'd like to test something, regarding my role, to see if I understand this correctly. Any ideas?

[Nai]

Well, my second PM of the night had some interesting words, but I'm not sure if I'm exactly sure what they meant. However, with what I think they meant, I don't want to be voting for the same guy everyone else is.

[Nai]

I'm fairly sure that my voting for a person would screw up the entire thing. That's why I need to have one more night to test my theory. My PM wasn't exactly forthright with what it gave. It basically stated "Dude, the thing is done, dude." In more words. So I'm not quite sure what was happening.

Sounds like most of you got very simple PMs, though.

[Nai]

Copy that. I have to decide who I want to vote for. This could take a while.

[Nai]

Wait, you get your results the same day you ask? Huh. That's interesting.

[Nai]

It plainly states in the rules that you only get one vote per day. So unless you can switch your/others votes...

[Nai]

I'm not going to vote for Beaker. I'd like to vote for Iammars, but I'm not sure how my role would effect that result. I'll pass, and consider who I want to vote for.

[Nai]

My vote is sent in. My target is anonymous until tomarrow.

[Nai]

I think a deadline should be enacted.

Vote: Deadline

[Nai]

I only bet on a sure thing. I'm not betting.

[Nai]

Never said I agreed See you on the morrow.

[Nai]

Hmm... Interesting. I got an amusing message last night that suggest that we all vote Iammars. Whoever sent me that message says that Iammars is scum.

[Nai]

That would be me targetting you.

[Nai]

This is a hard choice to make, but I feel I have to do it. Already posting about it today was a bad mistake. Was hoping I could play it right, but... This has turned into a silent WIFOM situation for me.

I've found I'm a cop. I sent my vote in for PBug the first night like I should have. My PM said, in essence, that he's 'safe'. I thought that meant I was the doc. But last night I voted for Iammars, thinking that, if I was the doc, I could save him in case someone else decided to attack him. However, my role PM came back saying he was "uncool" and such. This makes me believe I'm a cop and that Iammars is mafia. I'm willing to be killed tomarrow if I'm wrong and I'm a paranoid or insane cop, but tonight I'd like to see Iammars dead.

[Nai]

I want him to be lynched. And you're right Crola, insane, not Paranoid. I havn't been in enough games with either of them.

Iammars, this is the first you've said of your Vote Coppage and your testing on Beaker today. Convenient that you couldn't have said anything BEFORE I came out. You've been fishing for information since day dawned. Wanting to know where all the votes were. If you know who voted who, you can get a great idea of what everyone's roles are. You've already started speculations on growing votes. This gives you a great idea on who to kill at night.

[Nai]

Note the all important word "today" in my post. You havn't really stated anything about beaker at all today until I said you were mafia. I still hold that you are mafia. As such, my vote's going for you.

[Nai]

My result still says you are mafia. Jentsu, did you get YOUR result in the middle of the day? Or, rather, has anyone gotten their results before night?

[Nai]

At least you've resigned yourself. And having a doc that has negative votes makes a LOT of sense. They stop someone from dying as easily.

[Nai]

That's odd. However, I can conclude that I am not insane. I got the same response as last night, saying that Iammars is "uncool".

[Nai]

I only get a confirmation of my vote being sent in, then a message saying if they are 'cool' or 'uncool'.

Huh. I thought, Flay, that you got different responses. But I've not played cop much, and never an insane one.

In any case, I'd like to try to kill Iammars at least one more time.

[Nai]

No, I don't think we got a different kill because of a kill-redirect, or some such move. Iammars shuld be dead. There's something wrong, and I think either someone that didn't believe me, or one of his scum buddies changed the votes/kill.

[Nai]

I'm waiting for something of interest to happen. I've already sent in my vote, I think. My results say he's scum. He might just not know it.

[Nai]

I think the only reason I'm still alive is because the scum havn't figured out how to kill me yet. Maybe you do need all the votes on one guy.

[Nai]

I wasn't guessing. I wish I could say my scumdar was that good, but I just had a lucky hit. My message last night was interesting. Apparently, my spirit had a sneaking suspicion about Iammars. Maybe an on-death trigger?

[Nai]

Mr. Flay, it was

me

who got the message about his scummyness. Tonight I'll have to vote against the grain to find another scum. Not exactly sure who I want to target, but I have some ideas.

Confirmation from the mod: that little suspicious bit was just flavor, so he didn't have to write the same thing four nights in a row :p

[Nai]

Pretty much. I think we should just go to night as fast as we can. I'll check another person, everyone else can continue to tinker with their votes. If Iammars wasn't just pulling our chain, he had no idea he was mafia. I think we're still trying to figure out who IS mafia. The mafia, too, I mean.

Anyone have a problem with my plan?

[Nai]

Maybe, Crola. But look at the previous days. We're not getting ANYWHERE since no one seems to know about themselves! The MAFIA don't seem to know they are scum. I'd like night so I can investigate someone and try to find another mafia. To me, it seems the only option at the moment.

[Nai]

Wait, Crola, I give you scum, and you decide to vote me? I claim cop and get no counterclaim, and you want people to vote me? That's intelligent.

[Nai]

Dude, Crola. You havn't been posting much more than the rest of us. Waiting twelve hours for people to come up to your call to arms isn't much good. We NEED a night. The game is stagnating, there's no action in it. We can't find scum because there's nothing to base it on. We cant work off votes because we can't prove who voted who. It's barely good enough to work off of day talk, because we can't be sure our votes will kill the right person! I want night so I can investigate again. I've wasted my past three investigations while voting for Iammars.

[Nai]

My vote is currently outstanding, though I think I know where I want to place it.

[Nai]

Well, unless I'm paranoid, I'm very, very lucky. My result last night pointed out Jentsu as scum.

[Nai]

At this point, I'd rather believe that I am just lucky and not paranoid. And I'd also like to have more than a majority on Jentsu. Mostly for the reason that we can never tell who is telling the truth, and we don't know how the votes lie until tomarrow, and then we have to hope people tell the truth about who they voted. Plus, there was that incident with the majority with Iammars that didn't kill him.

[Nai]

My vote has been sent in.

[Nai]

Crola, I'm not sure if it's a strategy to get out of votes. He KNOWS that the votes are final (save for specific people). So feigning ignorance AFTER most people say they're voting for him isn't all that intelligent. \

[Nai]

Wait. NOW, after all of this, you've decided I'm paranoid? After I caught one of the scum? After people are sending in votes because of my investigation? Damn, wish I hadn't sent in my vote already. I want to investigate you now. We'll see in twilight if I'm paranoid or not. And if I'm not, I know who's getting my vote tomarrow.

[Nai]

Merry Christmahanakwanzaka from your Non-Denominational Holiday Figure! Enjoy your Christmas, or whatever you celebrate, everyone!

In other news, I'll be gone from the 26th of December (tomarrow) to somewhere around the first of January. I'll be unable to post for most of it. Sorry about this news. If replacing is needed, that's fine. Though, since the game is plodding along, I'd rather not. I'm a fast reader and catch-upper.

[Nai]

My vote has been sent in. Already. Several days ago. I'd like to

vote: deadline

because this is taking forever.

[Nai]

Wait, people dont' believe me? I swear to god, if I get even a single vote today, that person should be lynched immediately.

EnderX is good. Or "groovy", as the mod said. I swear, my spirit is on crack or something. Hippy spirit.

This both proves that I am not paranoid, nor am I insane.

[Nai]

Okay, I am now officially back from vacation. I'm a bit annoyed that the game isn't going anywhere. I would like a claim of all the people that voted me (minus EnderX).

[Nai]

Okay, can we get some mod prods, please? This game is going far too slowly.

[Nai]

I didn't know we had a deadline. I'll fire mine off too.

[Nai]

I'm not sure.

[Nai]

I'm working on finding them. But they've not killed me, so I"m worried. I'm checking someone tonight, I'll tell you tomarrow what the result is.

[Nai]

I voted Crola to get information on him. But I got back nothing. It said he had dissapeared, like our day scene says, and that my spirit couldn't tell me anything. We're flying blind today. Luckily, we got scum anyways. I think, like I suggested before, we should head to night soon. I'm not sure who to check out though, yet.

[Nai]

We don't have one right now. I'm working on finding another. We have two choices: Find scum by hoping we can get scum tells (not very likely), or me finding more.

I'd like to know who voted for me yesterday. Probably our latest deceased, but I'd like to know if any live person did so.

[Nai]

Ah, I see. So he tried to doc himself. Hmm. Out of curiosity, Mr. Flay, who do you think is most scummy?

[Nai]

Vote for who you will, let's get this day done fast so that we can get to tomorrow. Just don't vote me. I think I've proven my innocence by now.

[Nai]

Your power? What do you mean?

[Nai]

Ah, forgot about that. Well, try not to vote for my target? I don't know...

[Nai]

I've sent in my vote. I'm just waiting for the day to end.

This mafia is taking forever.

[Nai]

Can we get a prod on the unvoting players, Mod?

[Nai]

I think our mod abandoned us here. I sent him a PM and he hasn't replied.

[Nai]

Or, say the vote on me? I've got an idea, but...

In other news, I had a very interesting result on my night investigation. I believe I was blocked. However, I still got a result, which makes me think my investigation was turned innocent for the night. I'm not revealing who I investigated, as it wouldn't matter.

I'd really like to know the source of the vote on me. Our last scum, I'd think...

[Nai]

Please.

[Nai]

Could you send it, Flay? Target me if you want. WE can further verify me, I guess.

[Nai]

C'mon guys. Let's get done with this.

[Nai]

It's been 8 days since the last post, which was mine, which was two days past the previous post. Can we get a deadline/modprod/whatever?

[Nai]

I PMed him, but I got no response.

[Nai]

Well, should we declare it as Mod abandoned?

[Nai]

Mr. Flay? Your opinion?

[Nai]

No worries. Let's report it as a mod abandoned, as Changing_bob hasn't even posted since he last posted here (on the... 15th?). Then we can all get into another game.

[Nai]

Eh. You can post what you know you can do, but... Heh.

[Nai]

I was cop. Or, at least, I think I was. I got exactly the results I thought I got. My final result was on Mr. Flay, where my spirit seemed confused. I thought I was being blocked, so didn't want to clear him if he wasn't cleared.

Beaker, were you a godfather?

[Nai]

I'm not sure. Again, I think I might have been role blocked.

"You are visited in your sleep by your spirit, who seems preoccupied:

'Yeah, that guys good. In other news, I appear to taste of vanilla this evening'"

That message seemed to say he was confused. But he said you were good. This is in comparison with the other good messages, which were generally:

"You are visited in the night by your spirit:

'Yo d00d, this d00d is cool and groovy and cool d00d'"

Or the bad messages, which went:

"You are visited in your sleep by your spirit.

"Yo d00d, that guy you sent me after is not cool. He is a most uncool d00d. D00d. Unsafe. Nasty.""

So you can see how I was confused. I wanted to get another shot off at you.

[Nai]

Huh. It confused me, though, because none of the other PMs were like that. So I figured I should try again the next day just to make sure. Beaker... I KNOW I voted him at least once. At least, I think I did. I'm too lazy to check. well, good game everyone. I'll see if I can actually make this work one of these days.

[Nai]

But how do you destroy us? Is that some other scum's ability? You get a vig, a cop, and maybe a doc on your side? And then you play the town against itself?

Did you know you were scum at the beginning?