Mini #1004 - Popularity Mafia (Over)
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OMG REREAD MEGAPOST
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Andrius soft claiming his PR for discussion. Nice. And it fits with his 'I like strategizing' meta.
I don't like how Prana auto-FOSed it when he is in a theme game with a mechanic. Townie trigger fingers? We'll see.
I like Friend's open-mindedness. Not really Townie, but it suggests wisdom which is a benefit for Town if he is one of us.
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volk #26: Or, if scum were competent/confident, they can mislead/plant suspicion. Either way, I think scum would take advantage of the mechanic too.
Ugh. Tasky.
I like the Popularity MC. Would've suggested it if I were in this game earlier.
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Nicol making excuses at his first post makes me think he'll be making lots of them, especially at his QT interpretations.
Ewww @ Tasky's Selfvote.
What the eff is with that vote on a reasonable first post? Succumbing to pressure?
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Xite's posts (specifically #82) feel like he's posting without thinking.
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More of Tasky's 'I didn't mean that I meant blabla'. He does have difficulty expressing himself.
Okay, Friend screams alt right about now. Are you? More importantly, did you get that name from 20th Century Boys? <3.
Hmmm. Max's #116. My initial reaction is 'what a cocky SOB.' But I do know of some of his games when I was archive lurking way back when. At any rate, his post is intelligent and I do agree with it.
Xite is now cruising at VI territory. See how different his play is from Tasky's. Tasky's play is very defensive, and you can totally see some attempt at manipulation. Xite seems too agressive for newbscum. I'd think newbscum would be afraid of stepping on toes, especially of experienced and skilled players(like volkan.).
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Okay, I have no idea what Andy means with popularity being non-random. My 'flavor' role makes sense with my popularity rank.
Xite seems like a newbie who genuinely believes in the stuff he's spewing. Myep.
I don't think Friend is buddying. I don't know why Prana agrees with that.
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Tasky and NB's argument is not interesting. Both of them not understanding each other (NB's 'let me clarify my stance'), Tasky being...tasky. I don't get an innocent newb vibe from Tasky at all. There is certainly some malice in his play.
Volkan finally gets some Player points. I wasn't convinced at first because of him stating some pretty disagreeable things (#26, for example.) but it looks like he can explain himself and even explain others well.
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Friend's 'It's too soon to be claiming' does not sit well with me at all.
Oh hey, there's me, being cool and awesome with a cool first post and promising a reread... WHICH I TOTALLY DELIVERED
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Conclusion:
Tasky is a reasonable lynch.
I am against lynching Xite.
I am slighly suspicious of Friend.(Although this might be me being subconciously affected by Xite's ramblings.)
I think that if we have a competent scumbag, it'll be Sando.
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I'd like people to pay special attention to how people 'phrase' things, how good they are at expressing themselves etc.:
- Because in a QT heavy game, there will be alot of....witness testimonies if you will. Unlike normal games wherein posts #'s are easily available for direct proof, here we will rely on 'Andy said blablabla therefore I think he's <alignment>'. The main difference is we are not underoath, so scum can easily..change their interpretations, town can misinterpret etc. So some attention to the PLAYER is needed.
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+- Player Points are related to my above explanation. Note that these DO NOT have any indication to alignment, just my interpretation on players on how well their future QT witness testimonies can be trusted(ala, Phoenix Wright. )
+ Points for volkan for proving himself to be a good interpreter.
+ Points for Max for being an experienced player. I'd think his interpretations of QTs will be good because of his experience.
+ Points for Friend as an impressionable openminded player.
- Points for Andy because he seems to not be able to properly express himself in 1 post evidenced by people continously asking him 'Wait what?'. Sorry Andy~
- Points for Prana's itchy trigger fingers.
- Points for Xite for posting without thinking.
- Points for Tasky for being unable to use words properly and being...awkward in his explanations.Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!-
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It's something I quickly thought up because of the whole 'Personal' QT thing. I do think it'll be kinda useless, but I'm putting it out there anyway. It's an idea I thought up of and I don't like wasting ideas (even useless ones xD.).Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!-
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@Andy: It's the 'not opt to' and the nonrandom point + some of my previous experience with you. Some of your points have to be explained before people understand what you meant by it rather than having it clear with one post.
Why would you be 'pissed' if Tasky was quickhammered?
@Max: Why petal? (No, really.)
1. PranaDevil is above me. He isn't exactly townie, but not (yet) scum either. His Andrius FoS and his 'IGMEOY Volkan' are some of his current actions I'm keeping my eye on, which could be either a protown 'keep an eye on this dude' warning or a scummy 'I'll plant suspicion' move. Other than that null. It depends on his actions from here-on which will make me decide which is which.
2. Tasky
3. A matchup between you and volkan. I am keeping my eye on Volkan though, through Prana's suggestion.
Sando is more on gut right now. When I was posting my conclusions, I thought of the game and it's players as a whole and Sando came to mind. He seemed skilled and his aggressiveness was off putting. Sando vs Tasky was similar to one game of mine where skilled scum(SpyreX) pressured a newbie into slipping up until his lynch. I should have put that there somewhere though. Rereading in depth does that to you.
Why does that 'greatly interest' you?
Vote: Tasky
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@Friend: Tunneling is only scummy when the tunneler has a grasping/bad case or if he is being thick-headed about it but this truly depends on the type of player the tunneler is. I think that if Xite was doing a scummy tunnel, he would be a little less eager due to fear of being lynched. His play lacks the newbscum cautiousness that I'm looking for.
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I'm feeling temporarily tired of the Tasky case(Although he is a fine deadline lynch.) and I want to see where a Friend wagon would take us. Plus the Tasky wagon reeks of scum, possibly 2 of them in here(Right now, I'm thinking its Sando and Friend.). And I do not see anyone(bar me, as of this post) defending him.
I'm not a fan of forced dichotomies (The 'Between me and xite who is scummier') which I see as a possible attempt to get Andrius on his side of the argument, and the back and forth vote hopping to two lynchbaits (Tasky and Xite.). I actually think that Town would just ignore Xite, but the 'between me and xite' post (and maybe the tunneling accusation) makes me think he's fearing the pressure.
Plus he's totally buddying with his username and avatar. /sarcasm
Vote: Friend
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@Volk: It's my way of saying that future witness testimonies have to account the skill of the player. Right now, the point of it isn't clear, but I'll be using it when we get to the nitty gritty of the neighborizing mechanic.Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!-
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@Ray: Friend - Rather uncomfortable buddying sort of implied in his playstyle.
Sando: Being very aggressive towards lynchbait. (Tasky, maybe Andy).
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I am liking Ray, for now who's behaving like how Town would/should replace in.
Sando's sudden shift in gears is something to look at. But at least his reasons seem very well justified.
Prana's hop is basically a longer version of 'I agree with Sando/Ray: VOTE' which gives me the heebie jeebies. The fact that it is longer and is filled with useless fluff rather than just what I said makes me think he wants to disguise his opportunism.
Let us run it through VasudeVa Bullshit Detector!
At any rate, this post is malicious as fuck and it ain't goin away without a vote from me.VasudeVa's bullshit detector analysis #12312414511312. Prana Post 340 wrote:Holy sweet jesus and finally some activity Batman!
Attempts at humor, could be used to disguise malice.
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Andrius, I was pretty much content with ignoring you day one and looking back on you later, solely because my previous experience with you was such that it was nigh on impossible to work out if you were town or scum as you played the VI role to perfection, and I admit, the chances of you doing so again are likely.
'Guys, you won't regret lynching this guy. He won't help you out anyway, he's a VI a detriment to Town. By telling you this, I am absolving my hands off his Town flip!'
I would take the time to show a nice big case on you, but not only is there little point as Sando and RayFrost have done the leg work while I was busy dreaming about some nice busty women, but it's also pretty much immediately before my posting. However for ISO purposes, I shall instead link directly to Ray and Sando's cases on you.
Sando's - http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 3#p2385133
Ray's - http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 9#p2385249
There's not really much more to say on that wagon that hasn't already been said.
Here's a nice little excuse for me to hop along this wagon which seems to be picking up steam! I tried to make it as long as possible, even giving you guys links and shit.
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unvote; vote: Andrius
But in saying and doing that. I'm not lowering my suspicion on RC in the slightest, if anything his most recent post makes me even more concerned about him. Not only did his reason for voting Andrius be that he could "smell a good wagon" (Which signifies what? Just jumping onto a wagon he could sense was town but might go through easily? Possible. That he thinks Andrius is scum, RC is town, and he just wants any lynch day 1? Possible but anti-town. Knows Andrius is scum thanks to other info? I'm leaning that way), but he also hasn't responded to the fact people are saying he needs to post more and has spectacularly failed to actually do anything of actual use in the game up to now.
Oh, and one last thing about RC. I decided to check where people's votes are lying before casting mine on Andrius so I didn't wind up as an accidental hammer... RC unvoted, then voted, normally very good tactics. Why, may I then ask, would he bother doing so when his vote is currently ON Andrius in the first smegging place? RC, either you're town (unlikely in my eyes) playing exceptionally bad and paying zero attention with it, or you're scum (more likely) playing exceptionally bad as you're not even pretending to pay attention to the game.
So yeah, pretty much I'm happy with a lynch of Andrius right now, but I would be just as happy with a lynch of RC too as I feel both are scum.
Long fluffy walls full of bullshit IIoA(...I think? That's IIoA right? Can't really understand that Wiki article >.>) made to make the post look longer and more intimidating. Also, lining up the RC mislynch for D2.
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@Ray
On Friend: Just check your predecessor's ISO. He has a lot of very uncomfortable moments with the way he plays. T
On Sando: That was before he jumped to Andy. I actually like his jump to Andy. Still, the scum scent of the Tasky tunnel lingers.
With Andrius: Well, I'll be upfront and honest with you now that I don't want him lynched yet coz we've been wanting to play together for a while now(especially since, in ALL of our games together thus far, one of us gets lynched D1.) But I really can't disagree with both you and Sando's points against him.
I have experienced him play scum twice and so far, isn't really playing like his scumself. He's so obv when he's scum it's kinda cute (See: Greek Mythology, Trader Mafia.). I'll gladly move my vote if/when he becomes scummier.Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!-
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What I'm attacking you for is that vote post. My scumhunting tactic involves the HOW of an actions because I feel this is more important. The actions themselves are secondary.
My analysis on 'How' you voted andrius is perfectly explained up there: Longer than the usual, absolving yourself from Andy's possible Town flip, trying to set up the RC lynch, fluff posts on RC which don't really help anyone etc.
I did comment on the Andrius wagon(when prompted.).
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Are you even reading my posts?
I said I was attacking you because your vote post is way different from the generic Town 'I agree with this case' post because it is filled with malicious content(as analyzed by my Vas Bullshit Detector, read the red text~). Your actual vote is 20% of my case, 80% is my hypotheses the scum motivation to type the suspicious paragraphs I have pointed out.
Following a bandwagon is not scummy, but your vote post did not sit right with me and my bullshit detector.
The logic behind it is this: Scum definitely have some 'I'm moving my vote' paranoia because each vote is EVIDENCE.
The way you:
1. Excused yourself by stating that Andy is a detriment to Town by his play style
2. The fact that you needed to explain how you agreed with Sando and Ray
3. Providing links even when not needed (possibly to make it look Town motivated.)
4. Useless walls on a completely unrelated subject (RC) in order to make the post look longer and thus appear more 'helpful'.
All these together strikes me as scum paranoia needing to explain his vote and buff it with seemingly Town walls in order to hide an opportunistic votehop.Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!-
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Quick post from my V/LA:
@Ray: Sooo, it's not okay to support a lynch on someone who I don't think is scum because I've experienced him play scum twice? It's not coasting if I've made it clear why I'm not voting him yet.
@PD: Well they are INTERPRETATIONS because scum will lie about their intentions(duh) and those excuses of yours aren't quite cutting it, plus the way you abrasively defend yourself isn't winning you Town points. I'm following a lead and some gut here to find your alignment, which is skewing a little bit to scum right about now. Convince me that you are Town through your actions not through your explanations.
@Andrius: Oh come on. You know what I mean. . I'm pretty sure you are Town, and you arey my strongest Town read right about now(Since all the other Town reads I have are slightly weaker.) Explanations come when asked.
Reserving comments for Max/Volkan VS Sando for now because I don't have time to review the whole skeedadle.
Where the hell are the other replacements anyhow? D:Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!-
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I still do not think Andy is scum, those still pursuing him(Ray, volk, Sando), why? I especially find it disturbing that volk is voting for him especially since he has claimed previous experience of Andy's play. I cannot seem to find the post where volk votes Andy in ISO though, but it says so in the last VC...hmm. His last vote in his ISO is for Sando soo...
I am strongly against the Andy case and here is why:
I do not detect any malice from this guy. There is a total lack of a scum mindset in his play and everyone still voting him should be ashamed of themselves. D:. Seriously, ISO him in Greek Mythology and Trader Mafia and compare his ISO here. It's WAAYY different from his play here. He's like extremely malicious with his votes and his attacks as scum, and is constantly trying for a lynch. I don't see it here plus he is playing with a very Townie mindset and I have a feeling it's genuine.
I would seriously be voting for CSL right about now if he didn't replace Xite. But he did, so I'm like damn. But I really really REALLY do not like the 'Let's lynch one of the replacements' and 'Will do a reread tommorrow'(and not delivering.) posts. A good D2 target, IMO.
Don't like bv310 flaking without even posting once though. bv310 posted once in a while when I read him correctly as Town. This is different and I don't like it. Plus Nicol's play leaves nothing to be desired.
vote: bv310
Prevedit: RC, why is it an Andy scum post? Let's compare notes!Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!-
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Erratum:
Don't like bv310 flaking without even posting once though.bv310 posted once in a while when I read him correctly as Town. This is different and I don't like it. Plus Nicol's play leaves nothing to be desired.
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No, I meant 'our' as in 'bv and me'(not including you. In fact, why would you include yourself? Is this another one of them grammar arguments or something!? XD).
I read him correctly in Advance Wars Mafia. He was a particularly cooperative Townie there. Here, I guess he's the bv310 everyone knows about.Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!-
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Yeah, I'm particularly proud of that. I KEPT THE GAME INTERESTING.
Lol, it's 3pm here where I live. Good night! (Over here, I would be greeting you 'Magandang Hapon!').
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RC: Yeah, well I explained my Town read on Andy a few posts ago. Do you disagree? Why?Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!-
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Alrighty. Let me introduce you to the... "Andrius scumVotehop".RayFrost wrote:
Examples needed.VasudeVa wrote:I am strongly against the Andy case and here is why:
I do not detect any malice from this guy.There is a total lack of a scum mindset in his playand everyone still voting him should be ashamed of themselves. D:. Seriously, ISO him in Greek Mythology and Trader Mafia and compare his ISO here. It's WAAYY different from his play here. He's like extremely malicious with his votes and his attacks as scum, and is constantly trying for a lynch. I don't see it here plushe is playing with a very Townie mindset and I have a feeling it's genuine.
Andy ISO #9 Greek Mythology wrote:Vote: Shattered_Viewpoint/ AlmasterGM
Why him/her and not SD, Vas, or Iec?
Simple.
I asked for AlmasterGM's thoughts on any other players, since there is most likely more than one scum here. And since he only focused on VV, then there's cause for concern.
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You can't take some initiative on your own part, and come up with at least one other scum-suspect?
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Same to you. You have a grand total of five posts to your name, combined with SV's scarcity; you're not looking active.
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Can soon be before the D1 deadline?
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And you just give up and drop it here? Odd.
I still see SD, Iecerint, and VV as scummy, but Almaster's refusing to cooperate or help, besides hit VV, is a red flag in my eyes.
And there's the "hyperbole" lying and not willing to admit his mistake that SV put on.
Take note that these examples are Andy's FIRST non-RVS vote hope. You can totally smell the malice and the super scumminess in a lot of his posts. Note, this is just the vote hope, the rest of his scumposts are just as bad, even worse at times(which is why it's kinda cute.).Andy ISO #32 Trader Mafia wrote:"Staggeringly similar?" Personally, I feel that your vote on me was weak. You're basing my entire playstyle over your one experience with me where I was, yes, scumboss. Perhaps you should read into my town games as well, and see if I match. Odd. Since we're dwelling on Greek Mythology, you asked for like, half of the player's meta's in D1 of that game. Strange you're not doing it here.
##Vote: VasudeVa And now you're willing to lynch anyone but yourself, to save your own hide. Be like Ooba in Greek Mythos D1, where he was willing to die to kill scum. You seem overly concerned with saving your own butt than hunting scum. You're hunting for a good lynch candidate that isn't you. Play pro-town or be lynched, Vas.
Not in this game though. The Townie mindset(ie. being the uninformed majority makes you post a little...'lost'. Hmmm..what's the word..) and my feelings of his genuineness are some interpretations I seem to have come up with when I was observing him here in my reread.
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Well, yeah. But my argument is that he is Town. Are you arguing for his policy lynch then?
But that one is totally non-commital plus there are no votes. It's just him being confused, and being expected to 'help' as a townie. Part of the Townie mindset actually. True he is coat tailing, but part of playing Mafia is listening to other peoples cases. You don't have to lead your cases 100% of the time, otherwise lynches are impossible. How is that scummy, hmm?Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!-
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@Sando: Well I have argued that he is Town. Your #499 reply to my case that Andy = Town seemed policy lynch-esque(ie. That 'What part of Andrius' game is lost' sentence.).
I think Andy has contributed enough(better than some players, at least.). Just because he is not contributing to your standards and is listening to other people's cases does not mean he is maliciously opportunistic. I think part of what makes a mafioso 'scummy' is an inherent malice due to the differing wincons with Town. I do not detect any malice from his 'opportunism', at all.
I totally dislike the fact that you used a policy lynch-esque(meaning lynch him even if he's Town.) argument but then argued that he's scum. Now THAT is malicious as hell. The way you phrased the sentence('What part of Andrius' game is Lost?") makes me think that you know he is Town and that you are still trying to lynch him.
Why would any 'part of Andrius' game' be important if you think he is scum? Why would a Townie use this argument (in exactly the way it is phrased) on someone who he thinks is 'scum'? This type of comment would generally be used on who you think is Town. (Hmmm...Is this making sense? I'm having difficulty finding words to explain. >.>)
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Ooooohhhh~! I see. I understood it as 'What part of Andrius' game is 'lost'(verb)?' -> Meaning if we lynch Andy, what will we lose? Or something like that. If I were to paraphrase what I understood from you it would be something along the lines of 'What would we lose if we lynch Andrius?'(which is why I thought it was policy lynch-esque).
This is embarrassing. . I thought I actually had a good case there. >.>. My apologies.
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I'll answer that question after I review my counter case on Andy.
@Ray: Explain.
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Well, I did say that I misunderstood it. Finding scum is not about whoever makes the most mistakes, its about finding who is inherently more malicious. If my sig doesn't convince you, perhaps you should ISO me in Trader Mafia where we had a long discussion about grammar, gerund phrases and sentence construction.
I really did think I had a good case there, which was why I voted Sando for using words that I understood incorrectly.Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!-
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I'll argue against rolefishing as a scumtell.Tazaro wrote:
Why was he so eager to rolefish; others were hesitant, and he nudged here with his "Not wanting to rolefish eh? Hm." He wants something...Andrius wrote:Well, it was sure to generate discussion. This whole popularity thing is a major part of the game, so.
So we're all neighborizers, in a way.
Not wanting to rolefish eh? Hm.
Anti-Town, yes. Scumtell, no.
The preconception that rolefishing is scumtell would make scum less likely to do it. Yes, it is one of the most anti-town things you can ever do but since everyone and their mother thinks that rolefishing is a scumtell, I don't think scum would openly rolefish especially at the very start of D1. If anything, it's a pretty reliable VI tell. I've seen plenty of VIs(myself included, once.) do it and it was like scum struck oil or something.
I actually think it made Andy slightly lean Town since IIRC, he suggested the popularity claims first.Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!-
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Sigh. I hate being on the other side of the world. T_T. Any attempt I make at playing F2F mafia here fails hard because of some language issues and our uncooperative slacker culture. D:.
@Sando: Andy seems 'lost' since is totally directionless with his actions in this game, plays follow the leader and is posting a lot of fluff. Being 'lost' and being 'malicious' sort of contradict each other. I find that players of Andrius' archetype are extremely scummy and malicious D1 and onwards.Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!-
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I'm confident in my read on Andy. I have said that if Andy is scum, he is malicious as hell. Here, he's playing like how I'd expect him to play if he were Town.
You're taking this out of context. You basically ignored my argument #1(meta Read on Andy) and put my argument #2 (explanation that his play is 'lost' and therefore townish) in the spotlight when the two arguments need each other to be complete. (Hmmm...there is a word here but I can't seem to find it. Symbiotic? Nah.)Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!-
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Hey guys, I'm having immense troubles with my internet as of late. Like, 5 minute loading times per fucking page. It's not pleasant. I get home, slightly tired and hoping for some relaxing net-surfing and then I get these uber frustrating load times.
Vote: whoeverreplacedreapercharliejust because. Reasons come later once this stupidly slow internets become fixed and I can review the thread etc.Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!-
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I prefer vezo/RC's lynch over Andrius'. In fact, if we lynch vezo and he flips scum then Andrius is probably Town because of RC's opportunism. It doesn't seem to work both ways(ie. if Andy flips scum, RCslot is prob Town because Andy wasn't as pushy as RC and was more reactive unlike RC's malicious and thickheaded attacks on Andy. IIRC anyway, stupid internet.).
I still hold my read on Andy and that he is Town from what I said D1 and I won't be moving my vote over to him.
What I really want to do is to check out the progression of votes to Andy way back D1 when Sando posted a case against Andy. A townie(Sando) posting a huge and convincing case like that on a fellow Townie(which is what my read of Andy is.) scum generally would hop along like hungry dogs. But, again my stupid internet is stupid and I won't be able to read it without shooting myself in the head in frustration.
I'll do it once my internet returns to it's speedy normal self. >.>.Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!-
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My internet is going fast! OMG.
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Important stuff at Pages 14-15.
Ray first posted a case and voted for Andy at #327.
And then 3 minutes later, Sando posts his gigantic wall of Andy Vote at #328.
And then 30 minutes later, RC(vezo) hops along with Ray autoFoSing him. No case.
Prana at his #340 post hops to the Andy wagon too, with his own wall 1 hour later(I gave him some heat for this one with my #341 post).
Max states his support for the Andy wagon #344 but never really votes Andy. No explanation as to why he 'supports the Andrius wagon'.
volkan #353 votes Sando well hidden in their volk vs. Sando argument that had been dragging on at that time. The weird part here is he 'agrees' with part of Sando's case on Andy but he still votes Sando.
This little line of events is quite interesting and is the reason why I've been voting for vezo(RC) but I couldn't substantiate it at the time of the vote post.
Now, majority of my read on Andy is meta read with a little bit of a behavior read. If Andy is indeed Town(and I'm quite confident that this is the case), vezo/RC is probscum due to his opportunistic vote hopping. I think that RC was caught in his opportunism and did not want to appear like submissive scum therefore he blatantly disregarded doing a rereaddespite saying in his first post in the game ever that he will 'catch up'.
Max and volkan are slightly suspicious due to their reactions to the Sando's post/Andy wagon. I am very concerned withMax: he is obviously fencesitting as he has a grand to total of 1 vote(Sando) in the entire game that is 33 pages long.
volkan's "I agree with you about Andy being scummy but I'll vote you anyway." is suspicious as fuck. It screams inside information, and him being a major force in the Sando lynch is not good. (I don't think Sando would have been lynched if it weren't for volkan.)
The only problem I'm having right now is that Sando lynch compromises these three players. Scum bloc voting is a bad idea. Although the timing of the votes (Max = Early, Volkan = middle, RC = near the end) makes me think scum frustration. But bah, it's hard to analyze this without a scum flip soo. >.>
(7) – Max, Andrius, vollkan, Parama, tazaro, ReaperCharlie,SandoPranaDevil
At any rate, I definitely think that there is at least 1 scum and probably 2 in {vezok, Max and Volkan}.
We aren't in dire need of a lynch anyway so let's take this time to gather as much information on these players as we can. Max wagon go!Vote: Max
Do keep in mind that this analysisassumes that Andy is Town(Because again, blablabla I read him as Town and blablabla therefore I don't need his Town flip to know for sure etc.).
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@Xite: What do you think of the events that lead to the Sando lynch? What do you think of what your replacement did in the game? Which of the three Vs(Vas, Vezo, volk which popular opinion, or at least opinion of some actives, seems to be leaning thattaway for today's lynch) are you willing to lynch? Do you have any new perspective on the game since you've re-replaced in?Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!-
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Hey guys, one time the threads were aligned and then I read....
DotA Vs HoN: Period 2 Will Flow.
Then I was like. WTF O_o???
And then I read:
Popularity Mafia: Period 2
DotA Vs. Hon: Blood Will Flow.
And then I was like: ._.;;;
Man, I should get off this stuff. >.>.Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!-
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I read Andy as Town, therefore I didn't want us wasting a mislynch on him. Especially now, he's being awfully abrasive right about now and this is a side of Andy I've never seen before. I fully expected joking-Andy whenever he's scum with a wagon. Not-joking abrasive Andy with a constant threat of a lynch D2 is null, but I still hold my earlier D1 read on him. At the very least, his current abrasiveness is not scummy at all.
I'll catch up in a day or two and review my notes. I particularly have my eye on volkan.Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!-
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I agree with no lynching, but shouldn't we at least claim neighborizes and chat reports? I don't buy the '2 skilled scumhunters being neighbors getting NK'd' BS anymore, we might actually lose this and we need all the information that we got.
Besides, it'll be easier to catch lying scum(about neighborizes) once we have more people who claimed neighborhoods. Getting NK'd kinda silences you, ya know?Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!-
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Relax, it takes 5 to lynch. Anyone voting Parama to L-3 with be quicklynched with extreme prejudice.
Tazaro, you are being extremely anti-Town with those votes and if I was 2 shot dayvig/reviver I would shoot you then revive you then shoot you again for emphasis. If you're not scum, you're a scumbag's wet dream.
Unvote now or face my fury.
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I know I promised a reread on volkan, but I'm being very lazy right now. Anyway, I'd like everyone to tell me where they stand on what I said in my last post. Hell, let's do a vote count.For neighborhood claims - Vas
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Twomz, Nicol, and Andy get Town points for not hammering. volkan is the only one who did not post from Taz's vote to Xite's unvote
Parama, Xite and Taz. Hmmm.. I guess I'll scrap my volkan reread for now and get to rereading these guys as soon as I stop being lazy.Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!-
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I am a bit wary of Parama right about now. I know I mentioned that I would reread Taz/Xite but I thoroughly dislike Parama's #1095. With 2 people voting him and four people posting(Me,Nicol,Twomz,Andy) with Two votes on Parama... I'd think it increases the probablity that he is scum.
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Because it was unwarranted. Friend/Ray/Twomz's slot is in some suspicion, and because he copy-pasted some votals does not mean he's town. I don't get why you would think he's Town because of that, so I don't like it.Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!-
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You agreeing with his suspicions does not/should not mean he's Town though. Scum need to convince Townies to vote for other Townies too.
It's either you genuinely agreed with his suspicion, or you are buddying him. Either way, your word choice suggests that you were buddying Twomz.Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!-
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If you're scum, you would lie to me about genuinely believing it because I caught you buddying.
If you're town, you did genuinely believe his suspicions.
It's relatively easy to twist your own excuses for your actions because there is no way to prove motivation. It would depend upon the interpreter, me.Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!-
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In the interest of getting this game in gear...
@Parama: I'll open my mind and give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not lying. Why did you agree with Twomz? Is it simply because both blue'd players are in your scumteam list? Also, if you read Twomz' post carefully, he specifically said that only one of the blue'd players are scum, not both of them(which is what you were suggesting over and over again.)
@Twomz: Why are those names in blue special? What makes you think that one of them is scum? What makes you think that they're both not scum? Also, thoughts on Parama/Xite/Taz fiasco earlier this day and Me vs Parama.
@Volkan: Were you active and posting elsewhere in this site when Parama/Xite/Taz happened? What do you think of Me vs. Parama?
Also, are there people here in neighborhoods with dead people? I remember someone saying that they are in a neighborhood with Max.
Scum have been killing people high up the popularity list for a while now. If this pattern continues, I'm next. So I guess, I'll claim that I have neighborized Andy N1 and Xite N2 so everyone knows in the event that I'm not alive D4.Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!-
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@Twomz: Fair enough. Which do you think is likelier: one of them is scum, both of them is scum or none of them is scum? Fiasco would be Taz pushing Parama to L-3. I think it's rather reckless play no matter what their alignment. That said, I also think it says something about their alignment.
@Volkan: Basically from #1063-#1074. I think it's slightly important since Taz pushed Parama to L-3 and you didn't post in that time frame. In the event that you are scum and Taz and Xite are Town, that would have been a splendid time to hammer and get the win.
I was accusing Parama's #1095 to be an attempt to buddy Twomz. Parama said Twomz is Town just because he 'agreed with him'. It doesn't make much sense to me to think that someone else is Town because you agreed with him. It makes more sense that someone is Town based on their actions. And Twomz' votal copy pasta + lazy analysis does not really strike me as something that would make a Townie say 'Twomz is Town' nor does Parama's explanation 'I agreed with him' as a reasonable defense.
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You kept suggesting the 'Andrius/Volkan/Tazaro' scumteam. He said that (probably) 1 of them is scum.
You: 100%(?) these three.
Him: 100% on one of these two.
You: I agree and you're Town.
While I know that it's probably a playstyle thing, I can't help but wonder.Call me Vas, ;D A little less active than I used to be due to IRL. Hoping to be back up to speed soon-ish!-
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Playing to win does not necessarily mean that you're always passionate about winning. Meaning, I understand the aloofness coming of as apathy even if you're still playing to your wincon.
It's not an accusation of misconduct, it's an accusation of bad play(ie. aloofness, from Taz's point of view anyway) that generally shouldn't come from a player(seemingly, due to the scummy) as good as you.
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