Mini #1004 - Popularity Mafia (Over)

[Parama]

NO SCREW YOU

Expect a post from me on Sunday/Monday since I'm V/LA until then.
Oh and RC can tell you how long that post will be

[Parama]

1. Vote Count Please
2. Who the hell am I replacing

[Parama]

Good to know that you always spam threads up with your nonsense. At first I thought it would be a towntell from you but nah doesn't look like it.

[Parama]

0_o

...

*sadface*

Give content.

Both of you.

Let me reread first. I was V/LA until about an hour ago.

[Parama]

SANDO
I AM STILL READING
SCREW OFF

[Parama]

unvote

[Parama]

I'm going to give you a preview of my reads:

vollkan, Friend, and Sando are all scum.

[Parama]

and it looks like Friend was replaced by RayFrost so I mean that vollkan, Rayfrost, and Sando are the scum.
I am on page 9, I feel no need to read anymore, I have seen enough, but I'll read on anyways.

[Parama]

Reading through thread. Pinging my scumdar:

Sando -

Tasky and Xite are both obvious targets today.

"Obvious targets" is not a term I see townies use. It seems like you're telling scumbuddies to hop on these two. And Tasky is apparently an even easier target than Xite. Plus he was voting Seraphim at the time...
In fact, let me write a short thing I noticed:

Xite is a pretty easy target for some of his posts I feel, and Tasky has taken advantage of this

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Xites wall-o-text seems like scum desperation.

1. Tasky is scum because he's attacking easy target Xite
2. You feel Xite's posts are scum desperation.

YOU CAN'T HAVE IT ALL, BRO. CALLING OUT THE TWO OBVIOUS TARGETS AND MAKING CONTRADICTORY STATEMENTS ABOUT THEM WILL GET YOU A NICE HELPING OF DEAD.
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Friend - seems overcautious and uptight about everything, even from the get-go. Also WHOALY CRAP do you see the contradiction there? "Xite looks even scummier now! But I'll unvote him solely to put pressure on Tasky."
vollkan - a lot of his accusations feel forced, some of them aren't even in context or are just plain false.
Andrius - I don't like how he's trying to convince players to vote Tasky without giving them reason to do himself. Very "manipulative" of him. Also, Sando vote looks like an early bus but that assumes Sando flips scum, meh. Scratch that, Andrius is a counterwagon to the Sando wagon.
NicolBolas - His attack on Tasky is full of textbook scumtells, and most of the actions he calls out are Tasky being a moron, but not being particularly scummy.
Scott - doesn't seem interested in scumhunting, only talks about unimportant things

Also Tasky is a total moron, ugh.

The early targets seem like the "easy targets" - namely, the people who make stupid actions that can be made to look like scummy things. The first accuser shouldn't be looked at as harshly as the person who follows up with more accusations, because the 2nd player is the one who reaches. /random theory thought

Everyone point the town-finger at vollkan gives me bad vibes, because obviously people aren't bothering to see through weak accusations that look good on the surface but are really false if you look into them. Mass-proclamations of one player as most-townie tends to make major pings on my scumdar, because I don't see anyone being THAT town, ever.

Comment on Aggressiveness: I PLAY AGGRESSIVE. ALWAYS. It is not a scumtell to play aggressively.

Friend is an EM player? Cool, me too. I mean the site is swarming with trolls now but meh :/

I don't like how vollkan makes actually decent points against Sando yet leaves his vote on Tasky. There's a link there to look back on later methinks.

Andrius seems to become the counterwagon to Sando - there's a scum between the two of them for sure. Also the Andrius one takes off much faster and I do not like it. Plus Sando looks scummier anyways.

Oh my god this game is replacement hell. There's like 5 within a 5-day period of time.

CSL needs to request replacement, I'm not dealing with his excuses any longer.

Okay Ray I finished reading.

None of my reads changed.

And I can link you all together too if you want me too.
vollkan provided arguments against Sando that were much stronger than his on Tasky but didn't switch until he saw a wagon forming.
Ray chainsaw defended Sando by starting an Andrius counterwagon at the first sign of trouble.
Friend mentions vollkan a lot but never really says anything concrete about him, just calls him town. The disassociation coupled with his caution bugs me.

Of course, scumlinks are the LAST thing to talk about right now but they can be referred to later. I like the scumteam I see here.

[Parama]

Sando wagon started before Andrius wagon, I just read that, don't lie about wagon orders. You went after Andrius after his jump onto the Sando wagon, in fact.
I like your posting better than Friend's, but if Friend was scum, then you're going to be scum as well, regardless of the differences in your posting. You are your predecessor's role.
Also my predecessor was a moron.

Also Sando you really think that's my argument? Did you read my post?

[Parama]

I never tried to claim that my wagon started after the Andrius wagon, what are you smoking? I am pointing out that you are simply writing off the Andrius wagon as a counter-wagon (and therefore not worth looking at) without actually looking at the arguments surrounding the wagon.

The Andrius wagon IS a counterwagon, and I agree with the evidence against you more than the evidence against Andrius. I have nothing against you personally, you just look like the scummiest, but you're trying to twist what I said into something I didn't.

vollkan, my response to that: /lazy
If you want me to make a full case though I can go ahead and do that

[Parama]

Popularity List:
1. Max
2. PranaDevil
3. Scott Brosius
4. NicolBolas
5. vollkan
6. Sando
7. Seraphim
8. Friend
9. TheLonging
10. Andrius
11. Tasky
12. Xite91

just find whoever you replaced (Seraphim I think?)

[Parama]

Meh, you get used to it.

What's more concerning is Sando's continued living.

[Parama]

We're not policy lynching RC on D1.
We need to lynch the scum (Sando, Ray, vollkan)

[Parama]

Also, this is the 90000th post in the Coney Island subforum. /random

[Parama]

It's not that Andrius isn't scummy - I don't like his hop onto the Sando wagon, especially.
But I don't think Andrius and Sando are scum together. And Sando is my #1 pick for scum. So by that logic I have no reason to want an Andrius lynch right now if I feel my #1 suspect cannot be scum with him.

RC is just useless, always.

[Parama]

There would have been no contradictions in sight, since I made sure all my logic was perfect I always know my stances on whatever you want to ask about.

Also I gave you +shut the hell up points in that game because you were spamming Yes whatever you did get better but that was only after you were nearly lynched and then basically confirmed town shortly after with Andrius' lynch <.<

[Parama]

Because he had a rolecop investigation on you AND was pushing for your lynch. derp

[Parama]

whoa I'm not voting?

vote: Sando

Ray, the only other game I was in with him, I had no need to read him because I was scum. I can read players independent of their stupid meta stuff because meta is useless and scumhunting with in-game content and good tells works.

[Parama]

I think that RC needs to shut the hell up and post some content, but until that time I can't really read him. I don't have a scummy read on him, though, and I am not trying to build one right now because I have found who I believe to be scum and until further notice I could care less about the other players, especially if they're not pinging my scumdar right now.

[Parama]

Can we just vote RC for a lynch here?! Not only is it good policy lynching (he's refusing to actually help town), but what's more it's just good lynching regardless because...

he's refusing to actually help town!

Prana/vollkan/Sando scumteam

Sorry Ray, I realize the error of my ways.

[Parama]

I already said why I don't think Andrius is scum.

[Parama]

Well uh. Assuming 3 scum, why SHOULDN'T I have a 3-man scumteam lined up?

[Parama]

Tazaro, I've given the reasons already. I don't see what your issue is here.

Prana, it's because you want to deflect away from the two main wagons and POLICY LYNCH when actual scumhunting has been done.

[Parama]

lolVasusdeVaisscum

[Parama]

YES PLEASE. SANDO WILL FLIP SCUM. I PROMISE.

[Parama]

^that was directed at Andrius. I'll gladly jump over to Sando to get some motion to this game.

YES PLEASE. SANDO WILL FLIP SCUM. I PROMISE.

um you said it yourself and I just said yes do it it's the right move and now you're getting mad at me for your own suggestion?

[Parama]

There are twelve players, 7 is majority.

[Parama]

Actually, I changed my mind.

Vote: Tazaro

. Votehopping between the two largest wagons is like woah.

VasudeVa/Sando/Prana scumteam anyone?

[Parama]

I love how you both OMGUSed me there.

[Parama]

^that's what I had on the last page. My opinions change as the game goes on and more people do really scummy things.

[Parama]

Also, my scum play looks exactly like my town play, which is why it's so effective.

[Parama]

Mod: Can we have one of these votecount things?

[Parama]

You did say it yourself that it was a good policy lynch. I never said that you said you didn't find him scummy, but your post implied policy lynch over anything. There's no reason to not lynch between Sando and Andrius as I am absolutely positive there is a scum between the two of them (most likely Sando).

[Parama]

Also I don't understand the question you're asking me so I responded to the post as a whole, kthx.

[Parama]

Of course not.

[Parama]

Wow, that can be misinterpreted easily.
Better response:
I feel it is scummy to jump on a main wagon even if you feel the most likely scum is not a main wagon.

[Parama]

Your reasons for voting are mostly policy, you said this yourself. Plus though you did say why you thought RC would be a better lynch than Andrius you never mentioned why he's a better lynch than Sando.

[Parama]

Prana, what do you feel about this contradiction that I pointed out earlier, then? Do you see a town player doing this?

Sando -

Tasky and Xite are both obvious targets today.

"Obvious targets" is not a term I see townies use. It seems like you're telling scumbuddies to hop on these two. And Tasky is apparently an even easier target than Xite. Plus he was voting Seraphim at the time...
In fact, let me write a short thing I noticed:

Xite is a pretty easy target for some of his posts I feel, and Tasky has taken advantage of this

...

Xites wall-o-text seems like scum desperation.

1. Tasky is scum because he's attacking easy target Xite
2. You feel Xite's posts are scum desperation.

YOU CAN'T HAVE IT ALL, BRO. CALLING OUT THE TWO OBVIOUS TARGETS AND MAKING CONTRADICTORY STATEMENTS ABOUT THEM WILL GET YOU A NICE HELPING OF DEAD.

Also, I believe I misread the post I attacked you for What I thought it said was that your main reason was a lynch on policy, but the way you explained it makes sense in a way. I still reads like "RC is wasting time and we should lynch him for his constant spam with no content" but in that context I guess it makes more sense. Bleh. Either way I want Sando dead and I hate VV's post more than yours so

[Parama]

If I told you that I have a sane day-cop investigation saying Sando is scum, would you believe me?

[Parama]

If I told you that I have a sane day-cop investigation saying Sando is scum, would you believe me?

What are you doin'?

Yes.

[Parama]

And now Sando claims so we can lynch him.

[Parama]

The day cop thing was a joke, Prana <_<
Also if Sando flips scum, I'm lynching you tomorrow. And Sando's gonna flip scum so...

[Parama]

vote: Andrius

He's scum.

[Parama]

And now Sando claims so we can lynch him.

I think the person who has one of the highest credibilities right now is PranaDevil, not you, Parama.

Well, thanks for telling me why you killed him.

[Parama]

Hey Andrius you realize the only reason I was calling you was town was because I thought Sando was scum and it was impossible for him to have been scum with you.
But now your vote on him looks like opportunistic scum since he flipped town (I still think the mod flipped him wrong but meh).

Also since the mod has approved it, I have 3 QTs right now. One is with the person one below me in popularity, one is with the scum one above me in popularity, and one is with a guy who probably shouldn't be in a private QT with me, ever.

[Parama]

Well, vezopiraka (who replaced reaper charlie) has a quicktopic with me. He was 7th; I was 9th. He avoided RayFrost who was one of the ones who voted for Andrius.

I can tell you that not everyone seemed to follow the "QT the person below you: plan because I have 3 QTs.

[Parama]

Well, vezopiraka (who replaced reaper charlie) has a quicktopic with me. He was 7th; I was 9th. He avoided RayFrost who was one of the ones who voted for Andrius. Did PranaDevil have a point about reaper's being scum who wasn't feeling a need to scum hunt? Because I would think that scum would avoid people that have voted for scum, which could apply in the case of RayFrost's voting for Andrius. I have another quicktopic with someone, but I don't know if that person approves of me saying so. I don't care about saying I have a qt with vezo, though.

Continuing from Day 1.

Vote: vezokpiraka

Tazaro and Parama neighborized me between classes.

Tazaro, if you're concerned that vezok skipped over Rayfrost to neighborize you, why did you also do the same thing to neighborize with ShiftyWhip?

[Parama]

Is your suspicion on me based solely on the fact that I pushed a Sando lynch?

[Parama]

Tazaro, I may have been telling you to vote Sando, but you were the one who did it.
And vezok, I didn't make up scumtells anywhere. Those are the things I found scummy. Whether you agree with them or not is up to you. If me posting content is a scumtell, then you have a broken scumdar.

P.S. In 114 I was in fact scumhunting because there were 3 mafia who needed to die.

[Parama]

No, its the goddamn truth.

[Parama]

And do you want to know why I pushed Sando so hard and wanted others to vote him?

I thought he was scum.

[Parama]

Tazaro, a dead townie's words aren't infallible.

[Parama]

A useless player was replaced by a dumb one. Both his reason for Rayfrost-scum and Parama-scum is based on meta, which is totally useless. He even said himself that he barely read the thread and is only making assumptions based on play in other games. Asking my opinion of vezo in this thread is redundant because vezo won't give his opinion of this thread.

Though I would like vezo to tell why he thinks Tasky was obvious scum, because Tasky was obviously dumb but neither him or Xite really did anything as scummy as other players.

[Parama]

In Tasky's first post, he's trying to come up with ways to use neighborhoods to their maximum potential. He isn't saying, "DO THIS OR DIE" but merely giving suggestions. Some of them are kinda dumb and I agree that it could hurt the town if a cop neighborizes with a mafia GF after getting innocent on them and outs their role, but that assumes that a cop is dumb enough to do that in the first place <.<

Meta is completely useless btw. Don't even start arguing this with me.

[Parama]

It isn't RayFrost's meta that you have issues with, it's Friend's. And I wasn't really a fan of Friend either, though I've never played with him before.

Anyways I know you're wrong on me and your tell for Ray is unfair because it's based 100% not on his play. So I refuse.

Tazaro, it's one suggestion, NOT FORCED, out of about 5 he made in a single post.
1. Nobody has to follow it
2. It's overall a good idea, the only risk being the existence of a mafia GF

[Parama]

I can think of a few reasons why a lynch of RayFrost could be supported. I don't think any of them are Ray's fault, but people play as a slot not as individuals.

A Ray lynch wouldn't make me cry but there are better. And I agree, most of the issues I have with the slot are Friend's fault. In case you missed it I had some banter with Ray about this exact thing.

I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to say in that last point there .-.

I have no clue what Tazaro is doing anymore.

[Parama]

iiiiiiq, your thoughts on the game thus far?

[Parama]

I know it's kinda setting up lynches, but the only thing preventing me from wanting an Andrius lynch was my suspicions of Sando. Most of the points against him are solid, I just felt Sando was scummier.
I was wrong though <_<

And yes I admit I did pretty much the same thing, though the difference is that vezo completely ignored your play, whereas when I read your play from replacing in to my longpost, it didn't make me look at you worse, but it didn't make me like your slot more.

[Parama]

Both his reason for Rayfrost-scum and Parama-scum is based on meta, which is totally useless.

You left out VV's meta defense of me. Why?

Because meta-defenses are even worse than meta attacks and because I don't give a damn about anything VV-scum has to say.

Definitely feel scum in Parama/vollkan/Rayfrost. Yes, it is gut. No, I don't care if I'm lynched for following my gut.

Yeah, those are the vibes vollkan's giving off. I like a vollkan/VV/Andrius team very much but vollkan can stay alive just because if he IS town he's more useful than the other two if they're town (there should be at least 2 scum in that grouping for sure, however.)

[Parama]

Also, 'if he IS town, he's helpful' arguments are terribad. Really.

Let's put it a different way:
I'd lynch Andrius and VV before I'd lynch vollkan.

[Parama]

Um, that's not it. I just think VV and Andrius are more likely scum than vollkan. A lot of my issue with vollkan is a gut read though there's some evidence against him as I have stated prior.

[Parama]

And on your points about Parama I can see exactly where you are coming from. He is manipulating his wording so he doesn't have to contradict to jump wagon.

Um, if anyone contradicts themselves ever, I'd jump right on their case, because nobody should ever need to contradict themselves to make a valid case.
Andrius wagon is still better than vezok wagon.

[Parama]

And on your points about Parama I can see exactly where you are coming from. He is manipulating his wording so he doesn't have to contradict to jump wagon.

Um, if anyone contradicts themselves ever, I'd jump right on their case, because nobody should ever need to contradict themselves to make a valid case.
Andrius wagon is still better than vezok wagon.

He was talking about YOU avoiding contradiction, not others.

Yes, I know. I'm saying, I don't contradict myself, I make sure of that. And nobody else should contradict themselves either, unless they're scum not paying attention, in which case they can be lynched.

[Parama]

That was a messed up quote from vezok. Not vollkan.

[Parama]

Andrius/VV/vollkan scumteam

[Parama]

Andrius is more likely to be scum than vezo IMO.

[Parama]

unvote, vote: vollkan

Screw it.

[Parama]

Not like I've ever been suspicious of him, right?

[Parama]

Yes.
This game is the stuff of nightmares.

[Parama]

I'm willing to vote for 2 people whose names start with V and one whose name starts with A.

[Parama]

Tazaro is dumb. I replaced Tasky.

[Parama]

And Xite probably hasn't even read any of my posts if he thinks my slot is scum simply because of whatever Tasky did.

[Parama]

Also, I just find it odd that you went for sando, the same person your predecessor was going after.

Because he looked like scum. I don't care what my predecessor's reasoning was.

The fact that he flipped town just makes you more likely to be scum.

6 other people were on the Sando wagon. And just because I was one of the leading attackers on the wagon means I'm scum for pushing a lynch that I though was a scum lynch?
Keep in mind this series of phrases:
Townies attack townies.
Townies attack scum.
Scum attack townies.
Scum attack scum.

Your logic is now null and void. I don't even want to hear anymore "Because person A pushed a lynch on person B and person B flipped town, person A must be scum!

Because, guess what? vollkan and Max were also heavy attackers of Sando. So by your logic, they are scum as well.
And hey look, you FoSed those two in your reread post. What a shock. I knew you were that dumb. Meh.

Also, I like how you lined up the next lynch with the whole Andrius idea.

The only think keeping me from pushing an Andrius lynch yesterday was the fact that Sando and Andrius could not have possibly been scum together, and Sando looked scummier. I already said this.

Post 59 - You used a bit of meta for yourself, saying that you played the same either way, what do you say about that?

That's anti-meta, actually. It means you can't compare my play in this game to other games because you'll find similar patterns in my town and scum play.

And I'm ignoring you from now on. Sorry if it offends you but your logic is terrible.

[Parama]

I'm thinking Parama/Andrius/Ray ATM

Also, I like how you lined up the next lynch with the whole Andrius idea.

There goes even more of your logic against me.

[Parama]

Vollkan was scummy because he wasn't so much making cases, just pointing out inconsistencies in cases. It wouldn't have been scummy, but he didn't follow up on them or anything, he just seemed to be making the points to make it look like he was contributing.
Max was blending in way too much.
Those two had nothing to do with sando.

But by your logic against me, they SHOULD have something to do with Sando.

Also lol both the reasons you mentioned in your votepost against Andrius are completely false

[Parama]

But by your logic against me, they SHOULD have something to do with Sando.

How should they? I think you're the one with the skewed logic here.

They both pushed the Sando wagon pretty hard and were on the wagon at lynch. That's basically your argument as to why I'm scum, so...

[Parama]

If you look harder instead of taking quotes out of context, he did make a case against Sando spanning several posts <_<

[Parama]

Taz is a Ythan alt.

[Parama]

unvote
Vote volkan

I agree with this.

You just moved into my top three scum candidates. Which means you pushed vollkan out.

unvote

[Parama]

vollkan voted, good for him:

UNVOTE

VOTE: Andrius

No he didn't

[Parama]

Who is Twomz?

[Parama]

You am.

[Parama]

I vote for who other people agree with as suspects; I want to finally lynch one of the suspects; people just need to reach a consensus.

The trouble with this is, and I didn't notice it until I read you in ISO, your scumdar seems to be on rapid-fire. You've constantly been changing main suspects throughout the game, and there seems to be little sense of rhyme or reason to what you are doing. "Consensus" is only good if it gets scum lynched, whereas your approach seems to just be focussed on getting *somebody* lynched (or, more charitably, shows too little care for the reasons WHY somebody is a good lynch)

The way you put this makes it sound like a massive scumtell. Yet by your rating Tazaro is just above complete neutrality?

[Parama]

So yeah vollkan and Andrius are two of the scum.
Also, 2:10 is incredibly unlikely.
I think we NL today, anyways.

[Parama]

Your continued voting for me is based off craplogic and I will continue to ignore you.

[Parama]

Your continued voting for me is based off craplogic and I will continue to ignore you.

Okay, ignore me, that doesn't mean I'm going to stop trying to get you lynched.

I already told you why your logic is flawed, yet you continue to vote me.
This is why I am ignoring you.

Anyways, we NL because today is MyLo <.<

[Parama]

In any mini, it is insane to not assume 3 scum. There is always at least 3 scum in a 12p, and I doubt we have a SK, so 9:3 is almost 100% confirmed.
And you're not voting for scum right now, so your vote is anti-town anyways.

Do not screw with statistics. No lynch is the only option for today, but it doesn't need to be done right away. Discussion is good for the town.

[Parama]

Also, time to play a mod-WIFOM minigame!

1. Max
2. PranaDevil

3. VasudeVa
4. NicolBolas
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5. vollkan

6. Sando
7. vezokpiraka

8. Twomz
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9. Tazaro
10. Andrius
11. Parama
12. Xite91

1 scum in each of those groups = good theory IMO. And hey, a vollkan/Andrius/VasudeVa scumteam still works in that scenario! What a coincidence.

[Parama]

I'd be up for a vollkan lynch, but I still say that NL is the best play today.
P.S. I've been scum in 4 games where town lynched in MyLo. Those are my 4 scum wins. MyLo = BAD BAD BAD for town.

[Parama]

Hey look, my top 2 scumspects think my theory is wrong.

You don't have to agree with me, but it's certainly not something you should be attacking me for

[Parama]

Hey look, my top 2 scumspects think my theory is wrong.

You don't have to agree with me, but it's certainly not something you should be attacking me for

Looks like Distancing

Vote: Parama

...
No, there is absolutely nothing related to distancing in my post. Explain how this is distancing, because there is nothing even remotely similar to it in my post. And nice job jumping on the only player to have a vote during MyLo by using terrible logic. I'd tell you to unvote because scum will quickhammer, but hey look there's already scum on the wagon right here, so no worries about that.
So Tazaro/Andrius/Vollkan then. Mmmmmk.

[Parama]

Relax, it takes 5 to lynch. Anyone voting Parama to L-3 with be quicklynched with extreme prejudice.

He totally just did this.

[Parama]

Yeah see this is why he's scum.
He's voting me because I nailed 2 partners.

[Parama]

It's mylo? Hmm... I'm voting Parama based on what Xite said in the quicktopic. Tell them, Xite.

You voted me because I was "distancing".

[Parama]

I don't make cases during nights, and I've been busy so far this week. I'll try to get it up soon but I really haven't even started typing up the case I have yet.

[Parama]

Twomz, Nicol, and Andy get Town points for not hammering. volkan is the only one who did not post from Taz's vote to Xite's unvote

Parama, Xite and Taz. Hmmm.. I guess I'll scrap my volkan reread for now and get to rereading these guys as soon as I stop being lazy.

Fallacy. All 3 scum would have to know each other to be alive in order to quickhammer - if they attempted it without all 3, they'd be screwed.

[Parama]

I had no reason to believe they were scum together anyways, so d(''d)

[Parama]

My vote would gladly sit on any of the following:
vollkan/Andrius/Tazaro

[Parama]

EBWOP:

vote: No lynch

[Parama]

And this is why Twomz is town.

[Parama]

Ugh, I should probably just do this because I have way too much homework to be posting in mafia games:

V/LA until the weekend.

[Parama]

Proclaiming town reads in a potential mylo situation = anti-town?

[Parama]

Then why do you dislike my 1095?

[Parama]

It was in response to 1094, for starters. And I agree with his suspicions, which means I'm either terribly wrong and he's scum attacking townies or he's town and attacking the scum that I'm attacking as well.

[Parama]

I genuinely agree with his suspicions, as I stated prior to his post <_<

[Parama]

In the interest of getting this game in gear...

@Parama: I'll open my mind and give you the benefit of the doubt that you are not lying. Why did you agree with Twomz? Is it simply because both blue'd players are in your scumteam list?

Oui, mon ami.
I agree with basically all of his suspicions though not for the reasons he provided.

Also, if you read Twomz' post carefully, he specifically said that only one of the blue'd players are scum, not both of them(which is what you were suggesting over and over again.)

Ahem.

I'd say

at least one

of the players in blue is scum.

Tu ne comprends pas anglais?

@Twomz: Why are those names in blue special?

I'll play capt. obvious for a moment here and point out that those two are the only ones on both MLs.

[Parama]

Oh my god. Thread explosion.

...
1137 - not good enough
1139 - stopped reading at "Okay, meta time."
1142 -

vote: Tazaro

1157 - :goodposting:

[Parama]

Read 1142 a few times and you'll be voting him too soon enough.

[Parama]

Taz just cracked under pressure. Methinks scum.

[Parama]

*confused* Your refusal to read my 1139 suggests you are anti-meta, but you then vote Taz (in MYLO no less) after his stupid allegation that I would delibeately play badly in another game to influence my meta. The two aren't inconsistent per se, but it strikes me as odd because the main reason people tend to be anti-meta is because they are concerned about manipulation, the very thing you are atacking Tazaro for. So, other than prospect of manipulation, why are you dismissive of my meta?

BZZZT. Tazaro obviously had no clue what he was talking about in 1142. The post makes NO SENSE. He acts like he knows what Nicol is talking about and agrees with him in order to make a shoddy attack, but he really has no clue what he's accusing of.

P.S. Meta fails forever

[Parama]

That leaves Parama and Tazaro... If i had to choose, it would be Parama.

Reasons why I am a better lynch than Tazaro?

I think that there's no votes on Parama, so I'll go ahead and

unvote, vote Parama

Why would it matter if there are no votes on me? If you think I'm scum, then you shouldn't be worried about a quickhammer.

[Parama]

unvote, vote: No Lynch

[Parama]

Yeah, scum tend to be more interested in their slots.

[Parama]

P.S. if you didn't get the memo I have no interest in this game until we lynch one of the 3 obvscum players.

I don't care about Hinduragi's reads because Hinduragi is scum regardless.

Kthx.

[Parama]

If you're genuinely convinced he is scum, that's all the more reason to want his reads - to work out his partners

I already did that.
MOVING ON.

[Parama]

No, I already worked out your partners.

[Parama]

Hindu: I don't like lynching at MyLo. I even provided an example as to why.

I've won a game that was at LyLo for 3 days. Once you lynch one scum the other two become even more obvious than before, really.

[Parama]

.Also, each of his votes are placed on someone who's attracting attention but is not necessarily producing scumtells.

Xite, I'm pretty sure vollkan isn't scum. His play in this game doesn't have a scummy intent at all. D1, he goes for Tasky but switches to Sando. The two people who were attracting the most attention.

HMMMMMM

[Parama]

lol vollkan you're funny
I have QTs with Andrius, Xite, and Twomz, and last night I gained one with Hinduragi.

[Parama]

I am not lynching in MyLo. I don't care how long the scum want to keep NLing.

[Parama]

vote: No Lynch

[Parama]

I've been out of people to target since N1 ended.

[Parama]

Hindu IS scum, yep yep.

[Parama]

Hind attacking VV makes me think he's scum trying to force a mislynch, so I think we should stick to the 'force scum to NK' play and tomorrow we should be able to hit a scum (hopefully).

Yet we're not going to do anything about it? Twomz AND Parama pretty much said Hinduragi is scum, but neither vote?
We found the scumteam. vollkan might actually be town.
Hindu/Twomz/Parama.

I am no lynching today.
In fact, I am no lynching until the scum stop being wimps and kill somebody.

[Parama]

Your argument against me is now that I am not voting one of my suspicions, even though I said AT THE START OF THE DAY that I refuse to do anything but No Lynch today.

I don't even need to point out why this is fail logic.

[Parama]

Nicol gonna be replaced probably.
Just hammer NL, someone.

[Parama]

Personally, I'm waiting for a NL hammer.

[Parama]

To hell if Nicol dies overnight.
It's not like we can read the slot anyways, inactive as it's been. Really that'll just make it all the more easier to find the scum standing right in front of me (they're the three most recent posts besides mine, btw)

[Parama]

No. I never said that.
I'm saying that if we get a Nicol replacement and they die overnight, I wouldn't shed a tear.

[Parama]

...you seriously think scum will NK the guy getting replaced? Dude, you're out of your mind. This is exactly why NL shouldn't be hammered.

If they NK the guy who gets replaced, I won't shed a tear.
If they NK one of my scum reads, then they've helped me and I'll thank them.
If they NK one of my null reads, easier still to find the scum.
If they NK one of my town reads, then I'm doing a damn good job of reading players, aren't I? d(''d)

[Parama]

Quick summary:
vote no lynch please

[Parama]

noooo let's just hammer NL

[Parama]

I can't. Vote's already on NL.

[Parama]

We have a deadline soon anyways, so w/e.
But seriously...
Mafia NK in 8p and we wait a whole 3 weeks to get another night phase? It should've taken 3 HOURS.

[Parama]

Hey Charlie!
tasky was really dumb but he wasn't scum

[Parama]

"some effort" You can't judge the effort players put into their posts FYI.
Also, if you're going to say my logic fails. WHERE?

Mod: Requesting No Extension

[Parama]

Hey Charlie! I'll let you know this, then:
When I posted my catchup post, I had just finished with doing a massive catchup post in another game. I was totally tired of making textwall so I was rather succint.
But there's no fluff there, just good ol' scumhunting.
Oh, and there's plenty of effort there, just not as much as in the link I provided because I was too tired to do something like that again.

[Parama]

ALSO.

Why are people voting in MyLo? I'm going to be NLing until the scum get the balls to kill someone, even if it a takes a whole damn year. Discussion is fine but the discussion that's happened during today has been mostly useless crap. We sat around waiting for Nicol for a week, then he got replaced, and now we're sitting around and waiting for Charlie to make biased and opportunistic cases on me to try and push a ML on me tomorrow after he kills obvtown Xite tonight while hanging out with his buddies vollkan and Andrius.

THERE IS NO GOOD REASON TO LYNCH IN MYLO WHEN WE'RE ALMOST 100% SURE THERE ARE NO POWER ROLES (P.S. - There aren't unless they've been doing a terrible job protecting, investigating, tracking, watching etc. because I don't believe it for a second that we don't have anyone confirmed town due to roles AND these roles that could confirm townies exist)

[Parama]

Um, I've told you in our QT that you're my strongest town read. Twice, I think. <_<
How is wanting a NL a bad thing when the scum are too big of wimps to kill in 8p? Personally, I always kill even if it would take MyLo into LyLo. I don't see much of a difference.

[Parama]

The post you called "flailing" was about wanting to NL <_<

[Parama]

Read the QT again.
Specifically, #11. Where I said that you and maybe [REDACTED] are my only town reads.

[Parama]

Why would I waste my time explaining my town reads?
I've seen nothing in your posts or you behavior to make me think you're scum; you've done some stupid stuff but your effort seems genuine.

[Parama]

Hey Charlie!

Going to resume reading now, but I feel I need to reply to these:

I've seen nothing in your posts or you behavior to make me think you're scum; you've done some stupid stuff but your effort seems genuine.

"some effort" You can't judge the effort players put into their posts FYI.

Within a span of 7 posts and 1 page, you've seemingly made a contradiction. I don't like it.

BZZZZT. I did not judge the AMOUNT of effort, only the genuinity of the effort. Huuuge difference.

When I posted my catchup post, I had just finished with doing a massive catchup post in another game. I was totally tired of making textwall so I was rather succint.

If you say so.

...linked the post I was talking about...
Which you took out in this quote. Nice job.

but the important bit is Parama suspects Sando, Twomz's slot (Ray), vollkan @ #513.

My honest suspicions, yes.
Wait, how's that scummy?

Page 25: Parama enforces a VasudeVa/Sando/Prana scumteam in #602. Andrius uses some meta and says Parama is not scum in #605. Now I'll remind you people that I think these two are mafia; and this interaction can be viewed as scumbuddies distancing. FoS both Parama and Andrius for this.

Dear god are you people not seeing this. He's trying to scumlink based on a meta comment (guess what I hate meta). Do you even know what distancing implies? Calling another player town doesn't exactly imply distancing.
Also again you're saying I gave my scumreads but don't say what the problem is with that.

Page 26: At this point I've noticed that Andrius makes a lot more posts as compared to Twomz's slot (my opposing mafia read). I can view Twomz's slot as lurkish; thus diluting the apparent "scumminess" caused earlier by Andrius.

...
This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Active posting =/= pro-town by default. What if someone posted 5 posts in a row, but they were all fluff? By your logic, they're more pro-town than the guy who posted once but with content.

Page 28: I don't understand the Sando wagon because the discussion was filled with lots of empty content posts.

This is just Charlie trying to look good.

Sando (7) –

Max

, Andrius, vollkan, Parama, tazaro (Hinduragi),

ReaperCharlie

,

PranaDevil

So nothing much has changed my opinion about both Andrius and Parama being mafia at this point because they both are on the wagon. A few more replacements enter the game.

Ooor Andrius/vollkan are the scum on the wagon.

Page 30: I have a problem with Parama's #726 which I find deceptive i.e. something mafia would say. Discussion is renewed here (finally!)

Honest logic, bro. I know how it looks, but it's exactly what I feel.
If it's advocating an Andrius lynch (who you have a scum read on) why do you care, though?

Page 31: Hinduragi's slot's #754 looks town. Vezokpiraka's #763 provides fresh content and votes Parama - this strengthens the Parama-scum case.

A failtown posting a weak case on me automatically makes me scummier? What kind of world do you live in?

Page 36: Parama*

does some vote hopping.

*switches vote one time from one strong scum read to the next, first post of the page.

Possible tactic to clear himself? Inclined to like Xite's #916: Parama is STILL the correct lynch. At the end of the page, emotions appear to take over: Parama, Andrius, and Xite91 all post in a different tone.

Lol, people posting a case on me automatically makes me scummier.
Why don't I go BS a case on every player in this game? I could totally do it, but it wouldn't prove anything.

Man Charlie your logic is weaker than vollkan's was at the start of the game.

[Parama]

1. Vollkan
2. Parama
3. Andrius
4. Twomz
5. VasudeVa
6. Hinduragi
7. Xite91

Since there is just too much at stake to risk a vollkan lynch Today, and the added fact that I'm not impressed with Parama's recent attention span to my posts:
UNVOTE: vollkan
VOTE: Parama

GUYS.
FoS: Scumbuddy
Vote: Townie

IN MYLO.

HE'S TRYING TO MISLYNCH IN MYLO

HEY EVERYONE
CHARLIE IS OBVSCUM

also longer responses coming soon
Pro-tip - townies vote their #1 suspicion, always. Especially when a mislynch equals a loss.

[Parama]

Final leg of reading, but as usual I always check the latest posts to respond to:

BZZZZT. I did not judge the AMOUNT of effort, only the genuinity of the effort. Huuuge difference.

Can't say I believe you there.

...but what I said here is exactly what I said before. You were attacking me for a "lack" of effort, implying amount. I said you couldn't judge effort that way.
I'm saying Xite's effort, whether huge or small, is genuine effort, not falsified effort. Not implying an amount.

...linked the post I was talking about...
Which you took out in this quote. Nice job.

Oh gosh; that "If you say so" wasn't an attack, learn to read in context! Your over defensiveness in this matter is suspicious to me.

"If you say so" always implies mistrust to me. I usually just put a <_< after it to make it more obvious what I mean <_<

My honest suspicions, yes.
Wait, how's that scummy?

Look, not everything I say about you is "scummy" or attacking you. My analysis consists of a mixture of suspicions, pro-town behavior, gut reads and others... You are overreacting to nothing.

I post my scumreads - the only reasons you'd mention that is if you had something to say about it.
Unless you're going for the IIoA approach in your analysis, which I don't think you are.

Dear god are you people not seeing this. He's trying to scumlink based on a meta comment (guess what I hate meta). Do you even know what distancing implies? Calling another player town doesn't exactly imply distancing.
Also again you're saying I gave my scumreads but don't say what the problem is with that.

1) I get that you don't like meta; and I don't like it also for I feel it isn't worth the effort. In the event that it is available, I'll apply a subjective view towards it. Moreso of the fact that I'll have to take a person's word for it and look back at the meta-ed game.
2) Perhaps I have the terminology wrong; its not distancing then... the opposite of bussing? Coaching, perhaps?
3) Once again, you view this as an attack when it is not. Read in context, please.

1. mmk
2. buddying
3. see above

...
This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Active posting =/= pro-town by default. What if someone posted 5 posts in a row, but they were all fluff? By your logic, they're more pro-town than the guy who posted once but with content.

Oh my lord, you are clearly not reading the whole thing or you've missed out on important details. I just said what you said above there, you didn't notice it? Go find it yourself; I'm not linking it for your apathetic/lazy behavior.[/quote]
I'm always lazy but whatever.
Also the post I quoted did imply the opposite of what I described, so...

This is just Charlie trying to look good.

Oh no, he found out my secret!

Pro-tip - townies don't put effort into trying to look town, scum do

Ooor Andrius/vollkan are the scum on the wagon.

Can't really blame you for saying this; you're defending yourself by pointing out the other possibilities. Changes nothing.

But, looking at your most recent post, you'd be totally fine believing this

Honest logic, bro. I know how it looks, but it's exactly what I feel.
If it's advocating an Andrius lynch (who you have a scum read on) why do you care, though?

You do realize that you're my top suspicion along with Andrius, no?

And there are 3 scum. I fail to see your point.
P.S. - 2 of your top 3 suspicions are right, but the third is very very wrong.

A failtown posting a weak case on me automatically makes me scummier? What kind of world do you live in?

C'mon, only you think that's failtown. Don't project your opinions directly on me; convince and not force. You're certainly not pro-town for this.

I'd define vezok as failtown (no offense)

*switches vote one time from one strong scum read to the next, first post of the page.

Yeah, vote hopping!

...
Tell me how this is vote hopping.

Lol, people posting a case on me automatically makes me scummier.
Why don't I go BS a case on every player in this game? I could totally do it, but it wouldn't prove anything.

Man Charlie your logic is weaker than vollkan's was at the start of the game.

If you say so

Why, yes I do.

Page 43: Mmmh, Parama's setup speculation... at #1050. Right, I know that setup speculations are notorious for being misleading; but I personally feel it is okay to some extent (not to mention fun to guess around a bit). Based on the seperations, a Parama/Twomz/VasudaVa mafia team fits. Otherwise, Andrius/Vollkan/VasudaVa. But the rest of the page sums up popular opinion: this isn't reliable because it could all be easily randomized. The rest of the page show some connections between players, but I'm not sure how to connect the dots because we lack a mafia flip.

I leaned away from this earlier, but I just noticed a Charlie/vollkan/Andrius team fits with this too ^.^

Page 46: ... It leads us to vollkan's #1136 which is terrible! He ends up in a worse position than VasudaVa. Aside from his vebrose post, he's trying to sell his points of view and make it sound like a fact. That's bull crap right there. Vote vote vote!

Following that he has a Wall of Quotes/Wall of text which is also unimpressive. Who are you hoping to convince with those points? And no I don't buy what he's selling. I'm more confident that vollkan's manipulating mafia at this point. This or he's so caught up in doing "townie analysis" to the point that he's blinded by the fact that not everything is black and white logic in Mafia.

d(''d)

You also barely mentioned me in that last set, whereas vollkan was a hot topic, so your vote on me in light of your most recent analysis post makes little to no sense coming from a townie.

[Parama]

...
You guys aren't even reading my responses are you.
Charlie's logic against me is crap and I pointed out why it was.
Also Andrius thanks for making yourself even more obvious as vollkan's buddy.

BTW VV, look in PWM where I made a wall-o-wall-o-text as scum. Longposting analysis =/= town

[Parama]

Let me draw your attention to this again:

1. Vollkan
2. Parama
3. Andrius
4. Twomz
5. VasudeVa
6. Hinduragi
7. Xite91

VOTE: Parama

I'm not his #1 suspect, but he's voting me.
His reason?

Since there is just too much at stake to risk a vollkan lynch Today,

You could say that about any player.

and the added fact that I'm not impressed with Parama's recent attention span to my posts

I don't even think this makes sense. My attention span?

Yeah guys look this is the ultimate FoS: Scumbuddy, Vote: Townie kk I have to go now

[Parama]

I'm not flailing. I'm defending myself from a crap case. If that's flailing, then you might as well lynch me now and end this trainwreck of a game.
Did you seriously not read what I pointed out in Charlie's 1455?
If you people seriously don't think he's blatantly obvious scum after that, you have issues.

[Parama]

*In my 1455 describing Charlie's whatever on the previous page

[Parama]

Well, I showed how weak his logic against me was.

And where did he say "not vollkan"?
His most recent post he puts vollkan as his #1 scumread.

[Parama]

I don't feel particularly inclined to comment on parts of your posts that have nothing to do to me. I am responding to your accusations against me. Is that a bad thing?

IF vollkan is your #1 scumread, you should be voting him. If you think he's more likely to flip mafia than me, then it makes no sense for you to be voting me.
What about my responses makes you think I'm scum? You responded and I refuted your further accusations. Really, it's funny that you are saying all these vague general things without even acknowledging my responses.

[Parama]

This is one of those games where, no matter what I do or so, I feel like you guys are going to lynch me based only on the crap reasons presented against me (all of which I have refuted) and you're all going to ignore the obvious scummy actions I've shown from the scum in this game.

There is NO reason to NOT vote your #1 scum reason in a MyLo/LyLo scenario. If you think they are most likely to flip scum, then you VOTE THEM. You wouldn't vote you think is 5th most likely to be scum on the chance that they MIGHT flip scum, would you?

I am NOT mislynch fodder. I refuse to let the scum push a crap case on me and let this apathetic piece of crap town sit back and let them do it.
Yes, you heard me. I called this town a failtown. The town is letting scum manipulate the HELL out of them, and they're not trying to do a damn thing about it. Vollkan's been leading lynches all game (he was a major figure in both the Sando and vezok lynches) and the town's been content to follow his reasoning, even the incredibly weak logic against vezok. I don't see how Andrius wasn't lynched on the spot when Sando flipped town, and I hate how Charlie's posting walls automatically makes everyone assume he's town. I'd like to know damn well how many people are even reading those things - there's some damn terrible logic there.

I know you're all going to dismiss this as AtE and all, but when you lynch me and I flip town, I will laugh at every single one of the moronic townies who actually let the scum lead them to their defeat.

inb4 you quicklynch me for acknowledging that YES this post is AtE and YES I'm damn well going to post in anyways. YES, I'm going to let the scum add this to their weak case as another weak argument that the WEAK town will buy like the WEAK scumhunters they are. I don't even care about the outcome of this game if the town's not going to try and win it.

Prev-EDIT:
Hindu, that's not good enough. No, we probably don't have any lynches to spare. So why does that mean a lynch of me is okay and a lynch of vollkan is not? By his logic there he should be NLing. He even said vollkan is a worthy lynch, and I'm assuming he says the same of me. So NO that does not work.

[Parama]

blah blah rabble blah

[Parama]

No. If you read my AtE post you'd know that.

[Parama]

How about you read me responses to Charlie and tell me who's more right out of the two of us? I only see his logic as weak and my arguments against it as strong.

[Parama]

Parama, to be honest, I'm tired of your AtE and that last long post of yours looks like "lynch me, I dare you"
I've seen that all too often from scum.

Unvote, Vote: Parama

I will be around to unvote if the wagon grows a little too fast.

And this is why I don't like playing with you.
YOU ARE COMPLETELY MISSING THE POINT.

DID YOU NOT EVEN READ MY POINTS AGAINST CHARLIE? NO, YOU DIDN'T. I CAN TELL YOU DIDN'T.

[Parama]

Vague? I'm answering the accusations and proving why they're wrong. I'm specifically addressing every point. And that's vague? <.<

[Parama]

Charlie, why are you voting for Parama instead of vollkan? I don't see the reason mentioned anywhere.

Also, I'll answer this for you:
He doesn't want to lynch a scumbuddy in MyLo, so instead he's opting for a ML.

You guys are really freaking dumb if you haven't picked up on this by now.

[Parama]

I freaking hate that response style btw.

Final leg of reading, but as usual I always check the latest posts to respond to:

BZZZZT. I did not judge the AMOUNT of effort, only the genuinity of the effort. Huuuge difference.

Can't say I believe you there.

...but what I said here is exactly what I said before. You were attacking me for a "lack" of effort, implying amount. I said you couldn't judge effort that way.
I'm saying Xite's effort, whether huge or small, is genuine effort, not falsified effort. Not implying an amount.

Semantic nitpicking of the word "lack". Avoids Charlie's attack by making Charlie's attack sound like something else. YOU are the one in question here, not him. You've ultimately avoided his attack by attacking him right back.

BZZZT again. Charlie's attack IS something else, regardless of what it looks like. Charlie attacked me for "lack" of effort which means he believes I'm not putting effort into my posting.
That has nothing to do with how genuine one's effort is, which is the point I argued.
If you can tell me how lack implies non-genuine, I will give you an e-cookie.
In fact you should explain this or your point is null.

...linked the post I was talking about...
Which you took out in this quote. Nice job.

Oh gosh; that "If you say so" wasn't an attack, learn to read in context! Your over defensiveness in this matter is suspicious to me.

"If you say so" always implies mistrust to me. I usually just put a <_< after it to make it more obvious what I mean <_<

Another one of your "To me" beliefs, thinking that everything that revolves around you is correct. While I know it's part of your playstyle, it doesn't answer anything.

[/quote]
But Charlie himself said it wasn't an accusation.

My honest suspicions, yes.
Wait, how's that scummy?

Look, not everything I say about you is "scummy" or attacking you. My analysis consists of a mixture of suspicions, pro-town behavior, gut reads and others... You are overreacting to nothing.

I post my scumreads - the only reasons you'd mention that is if you had something to say about it.
Unless you're going for the IIoA approach in your analysis, which I don't think you are.

I don't even know why you're saying this in response to Charlie's statement.

[/quote]
My response is COMPLETELY logical. I'm saying that he had no reason to mention my scumreads unless he found them suspicious or noteworthy in a way. And from his post he doesn't. Forgive me for being completely confused as to why he even brought it up in the first place if he doesn't think it's important.

Dear god are you people not seeing this. He's trying to scumlink based on a meta comment (guess what I hate meta). Do you even know what distancing implies? Calling another player town doesn't exactly imply distancing.
Also again you're saying I gave my scumreads but don't say what the problem is with that.

1) I get that you don't like meta; and I don't like it also for I feel it isn't worth the effort. In the event that it is available, I'll apply a subjective view towards it. Moreso of the fact that I'll have to take a person's word for it and look back at the meta-ed game.
2) Perhaps I have the terminology wrong; its not distancing then... the opposite of bussing? Coaching, perhaps?
3) Once again, you view this as an attack when it is not. Read in context, please.

1. mmk
2. buddying
3. see above

Nothing here too.

[/quote]
Responses = nothing? These are all that needs to be said - 1st point I can agree with, 2nd I gave him the word he was looking for, 3rd was similar to what was said above. And that's exactly what this post contains.

...
This is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. Active posting =/= pro-town by default. What if someone posted 5 posts in a row, but they were all fluff? By your logic, they're more pro-town than the guy who posted once but with content.

Oh my lord, you are clearly not reading the whole thing or you've missed out on important details. I just said what you said above there, you didn't notice it? Go find it yourself; I'm not linking it for your apathetic/lazy behavior.[/quote]
I'm always lazy but whatever.
Also the post I quoted did imply the opposite of what I described, so...[/quote]

Self-metaing lazyness to avoid Charlie's accusations.

[/quote]
Noooo. Nooo. I'm saying that, yes, I am lazy, but I'm repeating that my original accusation still stands because the Charlie post DID imply what I said it implied, regardless of whether he meant it that way or not.

This is just Charlie trying to look good.

Oh no, he found out my secret!

Pro-tip - townies don't put effort into trying to look town, scum do

Not explaining the 'Charlie trying to look good' in detail. It's a serious accusation without accusation. Then the pro-tip is just worthless and still doesn't explain anything..

[/quote]
Uh, you're missing the quote from Charlie that was originally in my first response. Because Charlie decided to leave out everything I'd quoted from him in responding to my responses.

Ooor Andrius/vollkan are the scum on the wagon.

Can't really blame you for saying this; you're defending yourself by pointing out the other possibilities. Changes nothing.

But, looking at your most recent post, you'd be totally fine believing this.

I don't even understand why you said this.

[/quote]
His scumlist had Andrius and vollkan both in the top 3. Yet he says I'm deflecting even though I'm pointing out what he himself settles on later in his analysis.

Honest logic, bro. I know how it looks, but it's exactly what I feel.
If it's advocating an Andrius lynch (who you have a scum read on) why do you care, though?

You do realize that you're my top suspicion along with Andrius, no?

And there are 3 scum. I fail to see your point.
P.S. - 2 of your top 3 suspicions are right, but the third is very very wrong.

More vagueness, more a lot more of nothing, more fluff.

[/quote]
Uh...
If you have 3 scumreads, and it's important to always lynch right, why wouldn't you be fine with lynching any of your top 3 reads? Just because I'm a top suspicion doesn't mean he can't be considering an Andrius lynch, too, wouldn't you think.
Trying to explain this to you is like talking to a brick wall, it seems. There's no fluff here; I'm responding succintly to posts that deserve no more than succintness.

A failtown posting a weak case on me automatically makes me scummier? What kind of world do you live in?

C'mon, only you think that's failtown. Don't project your opinions directly on me; convince and not force. You're certainly not pro-town for this.

I'd define vezok as failtown (no offense)

Again, nothing.

[/quote]
I'm saying that Yes I would define vezok as failtown which is in agreement with the first quote here, my original statement.
I don't post "nothing" ever. I am not a fluffy person.

*switches vote one time from one strong scum read to the next, first post of the page.

Yeah, vote hopping!

...
Tell me how this is vote hopping.

Charlie is being as vague to you as you are to him. It doesn't mean anything, he gave up trying to get anything from you because you are not giving coherent reactions.

Oh, and you continue to over react.

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...
My BS meter is going off the charts here. All I'm going to say. He did not explain HOW a SINGLE VOTE SWITCH

FROM ONE TOP SUSPICION

TO ANOTHER

MAKES ME A VOTE-HOPPER

.
How do you define vote-hopping, then?
And how am I supposed to react to BS logic? Sit back and let myself be lynched?

Lol, people posting a case on me automatically makes me scummier.
Why don't I go BS a case on every player in this game? I could totally do it, but it wouldn't prove anything.

Man Charlie your logic is weaker than vollkan's was at the start of the game.

If you say so

Why, yes I do.

Again, nothing. The amount of 'nothings' in this post makes me think that you're trying to look good by making the posts longer than they should be.

[/quote]
Actually, I'm just responding to everything directed at me. If that's "fluff" then I guess I shouldn't respond at all.

In fact, I'm just going to stop responding right here. No kidding. Because obviously responding to posts is fluff and I should be lynched for it.

[Parama]

And this is why I hate that response style. Messed up the quote tags every single time.

[Parama]

I read them but there was too much nothing there to consider.

...
A blatant FoS: Scumbuddy Vote: Townie in which the scum ranked his scumbuddy above the townie in his list of suspicions and then tries to cop out of the vote with a lame excuse is NOTHING TO CONSIDER?

...

I can't even deal with this anymore.

Requesting Replacement

. Call me a quitter if you want to, I don't give a damn. Obviously nobody here understands basic logic, and making perfect sense doesn't work in Mini 1004 because sense is a lie.
GG scum, I hope you win this one. You deserve it.

VV actually says it VERY well.

Pssh. You probably didn't even read his responses. Your post doesn't make it look like you did.

[Parama]

I read them but there was too much nothing there to consider.

...
A blatant FoS: Scumbuddy Vote: Townie in which the scum ranked his scumbuddy above the townie in his list of suspicions and then tries to cop out of the vote with a lame excuse is NOTHING TO CONSIDER?

...

I can't even deal with this anymore.

Requesting Replacement

. Call me a quitter if you want to, I don't give a damn. Obviously nobody here understands basic logic, and making perfect sense doesn't work in Mini 1004 because sense is a lie.
GG scum, I hope you win this one. You deserve it.

VV actually says it VERY well.

Pssh. You probably didn't even read his responses. Your post doesn't make it look like you did.

You know, based on a flip of someone that acts exactly like you are right now I was willing to say you were probably town, until that replace out thing. I'm done dealing with you, and at this point I'd rather everyone just help me lynch you than him find a replacement.
I pointed out why that was wrong, and EVEN YOU JUST SAID that if you have 3 top suspects, you should be willing to lynch any of the three, did you not? So your point is invalid and you're flailing like a madman.

My Vote stays

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You're confusing things. You should be willing to lynch any of your top 3 suspicions, but in a MyLo/LyLo situation, why the hell wouldn't you vote for who you think is most likely scum? You're not allowed to screw up anymore.

[Parama]

BTW yes I'm going to be posting until I get replaced. Deal with it d(''d)

[Parama]

You guys really want to lynch in MyLo.
Congratulations, this is why I called you failtown.

[Parama]

Your only posted suspicion on me is you "didn't like my reactions" (vague and unspecific) and now you're voting me.
Are you voting me for any reason other than the fact that I replaced out?
Because your vote looks like Opportunism: The Movie.

[Parama]

And for future reference, the only time town should lynch in MyLo is if they have a confirmed town with no protection roles left to keep them alive. Otherwise, town needs to freaking NL as fast as possible, before scum try to lead BS lynches like this once.
Twomz, on this:

It's not as simple as 'you should be willing to lynch any of your top suspects'. You lynch based on who you think is scum AND who you think you CAN get lynched, the fact that votes have been been put on you and taken off of you today makes you a better lynch candidate than vollkan.

It's much harder to get scum lynched in MyLo/LyLo than it is to get town lynched. Scum will NOT bus unless lynch is inevitable.
Yes, if this wasn't a situation where mislynch = lose, I'd agree. As it stands, hell no not a chance in the world we should not be lynching in MyLo.

[Parama]

If you don't want to play the game, don't sign up for it.

This is hilarious. I signed up to play a game that looked like an interesting concept. If the players make it unfun, that's not my fault nor the mods' fault. So just signing up for the game does not imply a commitment to play with players who have no idea what the hell they're doing.

[Parama]

Y'know what scratch the replacement thing.

I'm just gonna do this.

unvote, vote: No Lynch

unvote, vote: No Lynch

unvote, vote: No Lynch

unvote, vote: No Lynch

unvote, vote: No Lynch

unvote, vote: No Lynch

unvote, vote: No Lynch

^the best idea
If you guys have noticed yet, I've been trying to push NL all game because there is no pro-town reason for lynching in MyLo. Just freaking do it already. It's not like you can't lynch me tomorrow if you still want to do that after we NL and have a night in which the scum kill someone and narrow the suspicion pool. But you probably shouldn't lynch me today, tomorrow, the next day, or the day after that.

[Parama]

Thank you for being pro-town in MyLo, VV.

[Parama]

*shock and awe*
Isn't it great that my only town read died last night? <_<
1) Twomz
2) Charlie
3) VasudeVa

Yes, stuff happened overnight.
It took Twomz about 29 hours from night start to answer a question I posed to him at the end of day 4. And his response was pretty lame.

Here's the question (yes Llama, this was already posted in-thread) and I'll paraphrase his answer:
Your only posted suspicion on me is you "didn't like my reactions" (vague and unspecific) and now you're voting me.
Are you voting me for any reason other than the fact that I replaced out?
Because your vote looks like Opportunism: The Movie.

"Both town and scum would replace out when put under pressure. Town shouldn't, and because you did, you're scum. You attacked Charlie, not his case. Classic scum manuever."
Tell me if that's an inaccurate paraphrase, Twomz, because it's basically what you said.

1. The first part is laughable. If you're going to start with "Both town and scum" would do something, then you're defeating the purpose of your point, because that's a nulltell by definition
2. I attacked the case. It was a terrible case. I see no reason attacking a case put up against me is scummy. Unless of course townies should let scum build cases on them and then not attack them.

OH BTW Twomz/Andrius, can you confirm that I told you that each other were obvtown? I may have lied a bit. Or a lot.

[Parama]

Massclaim:
Everyone's vanilla.
Seriously, I don't see how we could have PRs AND not have any of them NKed, lynched, or outted, AND no investigative PR catching scum.
Unless PRs and scum alike have been failing to hit each other.

[Parama]

It's not as simple as 'you should be willing to lynch any of your top suspects'. You lynch based on who you think is scum AND who you think you CAN get lynched, the fact that votes have been been put on you and taken off of you today makes you a better lynch candidate than vollkan.

unvote, vote: Parama

I HATE the whole 'oh woe is me, replace me' thing that people do, at that point I would vote you even if I thought you were town. If you don't want to play the game, don't sign up for it.

unvote, vote: No Lynch

BAM my brilliant plan to get someone else to switch to no lynch so I could hammer it was a success!

See y'all tomorrow.

Oh hahaha this is funny. If you REALLY wanted a NL, you wouldn't have voted the person who already had 2 votes on them. The second post here just looks like covering up the mistake of voting me right before Xite got smart and switched to NL.
Of course, Andrius tried to go and quickhammer it up anyways but I really think he would be that dumb (no offense )
Anyways Twomz is blatantly lying in the second post quoted here <_<

[Parama]

Just a quick glance: Parama is still playing very emotionally. It is hard to tell anything about him. On one hand I've played like that as Town facing an impending lynch. On the other hand, I've totally done the same as Mafia too, without thinking much before posting.

So you're saying it's a nulltell.
Why are you bringing it up in the first place?
Oh because you need to look like you're scumhunting so that town doesn't suspect you. Right. Carry on then.

[Parama]

I'm voting Twomz as soon as he comes in with a unsatisfactory response to my accusation. Just a heads up. If Twomz isn't scum, the other scum can feel free to vote him right now and make life easier on the town d(''d)

But Twomz is scum so it probably won't happen.

[Parama]

Because I'm dumb, lol. <_<
Hindu/Charlie/Andrius seems more likely than yours.
Hindu's suspicions are basically what the town as a whole had been saying the day before... aka generic and thoughtless.
Charlie's logic against me is still crap and he tried to push a mislynch on MyLo.
Andrius sheeped that their mislynch because why not?

But I also feel you could be scum, Twomz.

P-Edit
Hmm, maybe Twomz did nail it!

vote: Hindu

because he's scum regardless of who in the Andrius/Twomz grouping is scum.

[Parama]

Oh scum, you can attempt a quicklynch if you want. I find my day ending with 2 free periods going into a 3-day weekend, so I'll be around for a while.
Also,

If Twomz isn't scum, the other scum can feel free to vote him right now and make life easier on the town d(''d)

Andrius is still as funny as ever.

P-Edit:
Scum will have each put one of their suspicions on a townie. Just sayin'. The suspect list thing is such a biased way to scumhunt because scum can majorly affect it at endgame.

[Parama]

You really think the scum would let one of their buddies be the #1 suspect based on biased suspicion lists? You're funny

[Parama]

Andrius, here's 3 arguments as to why a Twomz-Me team is basically impossible.
1. I started the day with him as my #1. Obviously I'm trying to push a mislynch. NOTE THIS HAS CHANGED OKAY?
2. Ray neighborized me N1. And we've been having discussions every night.
3. I've been truly pressuring Twomz up until his NL thing actually made sense.

Hindu, I think it's scummy because it's adding one point to each of the already most popular lynches. AKA Adding one to the scums' most popular mislynches.

[Parama]

Hey guys.
Either me or Hindu is scum.
Either Andrius or Twomz is scum.
These things pretty much have to be true at this point, unless scum are too scared to be quickhammering.

[Parama]

Hi! Do you have any response to my 1539?

[Parama]

1. No, I was *this* close to voting Twomz, then he provided a decent response to one of the major things irking him.
2. ...uh, why would scum neighborize each other and then proceed to ask each other questions and pressuring the other? of course, you can't see this but it's what's been happening
3. No, I was *this* close to voting Twomz, then he provided a decent response to one of the major things irking him.

[Parama]

Also, who received/sent new neighbors? Twomz neighbored with me last night.

I targeted Xite, and VV targeted me

Why did you target Xite?

Fun fact: Xite said in my QT with them to lynch you on sight if you started a QT with the dead. I don't plan on following this but I do find it odd that you're currently neighborized with no one (I think? Forgot who your only other target was but I remember them being dead).

Also, it's more a logic thing than anything. I didn't like Friend's play but Ray was okay so I left the slot off the hook for a while. Haven't liked Twomz much; he seems really uninterested. But something is saying that having him at the top spot in 4 lists either makes him scum to every town or a popular scum mislynch. Seeing as how he wasn't under any pressure prior to today, I'm leaning towards the latter.

1) Twomz was my #1 suspect when I posted my top 3 at the start of the day. "obviously" in my posts ALWAYS implies sarcasm. And my reads have changed since the start of the day. Twomz is definitely not my #1 lynch (Hindu is either confirmed scum FMPOV OR there's only 2 scum and I'm a buffoon for assuming 3. If we somehow mislynch yet the game goes on, LYNCH ANDRIUS ASAP. He's trying to push a "well it's probably 2 scum, we can still mess up" theory and it makes me feel like he has inside info.)
3) fair enough

[Parama]

OH LOL...
I would quote if I could but oh well, you're going to have to trust me.
In our QT, Xite said that if Vollkan neighborizes with him and he's the NK, to lynch him fast. He said the same goes for Charlie. I'm not even sure why he said that but he was my last town read. I don't know who is town/scum but, hell, I will believe the only guy who I know is town at this point.

Vote: vollkan

Fun fact: Xite said in my QT with them to lynch you on sight if you started a QT with the dead. I don't plan on following this but I do find it odd that you're currently neighborized with no one (I think? Forgot who your only other target was but I remember them being dead).

You're really going to lynch him off that? That's... weak as hell.

Parama, if you're believing Twomz and still thinking I'm scum, you're really going to have to re-read this thread. Look, I'm not scum, even if you think I am.

This isn't convincing at all.

I dont give a shit about Vote analysis right now because I just lost a game as VT where the LYLO town made me lose when I KNEW who was scum purely because scum gave a vote analysis where they bussed a buddy to l-1 in an instant scum-loss game.

I didn't even mention voting analysis.

In the last message I got from Xite, he said you were telling Andrius lies about what Xite told you. Care to explain?

...what are you even talking about?

I don't even have a fucking case but I can trust my gut and the only pro-town advice I have received. Look, if you're town, tell me why he said to lynch vollkan/charlie because, frankly, he never told me why but he did say something about giving me and his town reads a piece of his "analysis" and then he changed his mind and said I was the only one getting it and then he never gave it to me. (If you're reading this, xite, tell me why post-game)

Uh... I think you're really overreacting to one vote here.

Andrius and Charlie

And my desire to lynch Twomz plummets even further.

[Parama]

I never said a word about voting analysis. I don't know what you're talking about with Xite; most of what I said and heard in the Xite QT stayed there because I do not trust either Andrius or Twomz enough for that.
What other two? You're really starting to confuse me now.

[Parama]

EBWOP: @ Parama: Cause so much was happening that a random no lynch would be thrown in there? I had to change the status quo in a way where someone would be more likely to put a vote on no lynch so I could end the day (as was agreed at the beginning of the day), a looming lynch would pressure the people who actually wanted no lynch to put a vote there to put weight back towards not lynching... thus allowing me to throw down the no lynch hammer... how is that hard to follow?

This is the Twomz post I keep referring to. I thought he was doing something else with his vote on me :/

What/where didn't I mention them and for what reason? You mean in the 4-person grouping? Xite was obvtown even before being killed, and VV I don't have a solid scum read on. Sometimes I see VV as scum other times as town. It really fluctuates :/

[Parama]

Vollkan doesn't even remember who's modding the game, hehe.
Did you express this suspicion of Xite beforehand? (Day 4 material only, please)

Hindu: You are either stupid or scum if you're going to lynch based on one silly thing Xite said.

Hey Charlie! I'm eagerly awaiting your

misrep

analysis! Can you tell us who you neighborized last night?

[Parama]

Sigh. This game. Does anyone still care about it? From the activity level, it doesn't seem like anyone does.

[Parama]

Just a quick glance: Parama is still playing very emotionally. It is hard to tell anything about him. On one hand I've played like that as Town facing an impending lynch. On the other hand, I've totally done the same as Mafia too, without thinking much before posting.

So you're saying it's a nulltell.
Why are you bringing it up in the first place?
Oh because you need to look like you're scumhunting so that town doesn't suspect you. Right. Carry on then.

...

Or it could mean that I'm having second thoughts about you due to the fact that I've faced a similar scenario before as town...

But your original comment was totally fluff.

And I think I've spotted a scumslip: #1566
Parama asked me who I neighbourized last night.
I already answered in #1523 OF WHICH he quoted part of in the above: I neighbourized Xite. Adding this to the fact that he is flailing emotionally, I'm very very confident that Parama = scum. Vollkan is probably his buddy; we'll worry about that once we lynch this scumbag.

Oh Charlie, you don't know what a scumslip is, do you?
BTW that's just because I'm not readining.
Hey Hindu, your reason for voting vollkan now carries over to Charlie, by the same logic and again from Xite's mouth. Do you still feel justified in keeping your vote on vollkan?

[Parama]

But I won't flip mafia. The basis of your logic is flawed in this way.

[Parama]

I could quote my role PM but that'd get me modkilled.

[Parama]

Nobody's at L-1?
Hindu thinks it's 5p LyLo because he's one of two scum maybe? I could see it happening but that's a stretch.

[Parama]

inb4 Charlie hammers Twomz

[Parama]

No. I wouldn't be shocked if I was wrong but I don't think this wagon is on scum.

[Parama]

unvote, vote: Twomz

I'm going to pray to God that this isn't a horrible mistake.

[Parama]

Yes.

[Parama]

VV is town.

vote: Charlie

Let's do this.

[Parama]

Yeah, it's Charlie and Hindu but let's get the blatantly obvious scum first.

[Parama]

NO U

[Parama]

Whoa I just realized that I've had a QT with Hindu for like a month when did that happen? .-.