Mini #1004 - Popularity Mafia (Over)

[Tazaro]

Check in post. I'm ninth most popular. Will say more later.

[Tazaro]

Andrius was trying to manipulate from the beginning.

Unvote

Vote: Andrius

[Tazaro]

Well, it was sure to generate discussion. This whole popularity thing is a major part of the game, so.
So we're all neighborizers, in a way.

Not wanting to rolefish eh? Hm.

Why was he so eager to rolefish; others were hesitant, and he nudged here with his "Not wanting to rolefish eh? Hm." He wants something...

[Tazaro]

I find myself agreeing with Ray Frost: vote post for Andrius

[Tazaro]

The preconception that rolefishing is scumtell would make scum less likely to do it. Yes, it is one of the most anti-town things you can ever do but since everyone and their mother thinks that rolefishing is a scumtell, I don't think scum would openly rolefish especially at the very start of D1.

Nothing against you, VV, but I see this as WIFOM.

[Tazaro]

Psh.

Psh? What, don't like the vote count?

[Tazaro]

I must be bored, commenting about onomatopoeia.

[Tazaro]

Posting to keep myself awak...

[Tazaro]

Sando's the false choice for the lynch. Andrius should be in your line up, and it's ridiculous that you have a three man scum team in your sights in first period.

[Tazaro]

It's utterly specific as a scum team for only first period.

[Tazaro]

I did plenty of skimming. But it not being day two yet, we should lynch one of Andrius or Sando, or policy lynch RC. It's very possible that Sando is scum because I'm starting tot doubt the honesty of Ray Frost who seems to be pushy about voting Andirus. Let's just get this game going somewhere.

[Tazaro]

^that was directed at Andrius. I'll gladly jump over to Sando to get some motion to this game.

[Tazaro]

^Don't take advantage of an impressionable townie with your eagerness energy.

[Tazaro]

Just testing whether you thought I was impressionable and could be manipulated by eagerness. Well, ten are voting, so six is a majority of the votes. And my vote will be the fifth vote on Sando. Does that mean one more vote will be the hammer?

VOTE: Sando

[Tazaro]

@MOD: about rule [05], if deadline comes and there are only ten votes cast by then, does that mean that six votes against a person would result in a lynch at the deadline?

[Tazaro]

Andy's meta? Anyone know?

[Tazaro]

VV makes sense.

[Tazaro]

I would definitely support your lynch. And Ray don't you agree that it'd have to be a pretty hard bus, to be calling for his lynch so soon, and without doubt of his alignment.

Kill Andrius and I will find your next scum.

Why is finding your finding the next scum predicated on killing Andrius?

[Tazaro]

^ignore the first "finding."

[Tazaro]

Boy/young man/whatever.

Come to Scumstorm. I'm convincing SpyreX and his wife at this very moment, so you better not let me down.

Were you talking to me with this?

[Tazaro]

Boy/young man/whatever.

Come to Scumstorm. I'm convincing SpyreX and his wife at this very moment, so you better not let me down.

Were you talking to me with this?

Sure, you too. Maybe you can catch a flight with Internet Stranger, he's coming from Florida as well.

Check my wiki for details, the link's in my sig. There's a link to another forum topic from there, just look for the word ScumStorm.

Oh, I'm not interested.

[Tazaro]

What, you said you'd re-read when you really don't feel like it. I've done that before.

[Tazaro]

All I can say right now is that I believe VV concerning Andrius's meta. I do not see any counter-argument to that, so why not lynch Sando?

@MOD: is there a set date for the deadline to end first period?

[Tazaro]

^I'd prefer mod action for him, not vote action.

[Tazaro]

We need to vote RC, bollocks to the Sando/Andrius wagons. RC is scummy as all hell.

Get on one of the wagons. Period.

[Tazaro]

If I told you that I have a sane day-cop investigation saying Sando is scum, would you believe me?

What are you doin'?

[Tazaro]

About the blazed that are going on:
Hey. As far as I'm concerned, if Sando's not scum, then Andrius is next!

[Tazaro]

^edit: about what the blaze is going on: ...

[Tazaro]

Eh, PranaDevil was just throwing in the towel and voting for Sando.

[Tazaro]

The day cop thing was a joke, Prana <_<
Also if Sando flips scum, I'm lynching you tomorrow. And Sando's gonna flip scum so...

You're saying you're so sure about it, more sure than me. Hmm, why would he say that...

[Tazaro]

And now Sando claims so we can lynch him.

I think the person who has one of the highest credibilities right now is PranaDevil, not you, Parama.

[Tazaro]

I won't listen to anyone who voted Sando, including myself.

[Tazaro]

And now Sando claims so we can lynch him.

I think the person who has one of the highest credibilities right now is PranaDevil, not you, Parama.

Oh... PranaDevil is dead

[Tazaro]

@MOD: Is it against the rules for us to say who we have quick topics with?

[Tazaro]

Well, vezopiraka (who replaced reaper charlie) has a quicktopic with me. He was 7th; I was 9th. He avoided RayFrost who was one of the ones who voted for Andrius. Did PranaDevil have a point about reaper's being scum who wasn't feeling a need to scum hunt? Because I would think that scum would avoid people that have voted for scum, which could apply in the case of RayFrost's voting for Andrius. I have another quicktopic with someone, but I don't know if that person approves of me saying so. I don't care about saying I have a qt with vezo, though.

[Tazaro]

I meant that vezopiraka avoided RayFrost for some reason. Could that reason be that RayFrost voted for someone that vezo did not want him to vote for?

[Tazaro]

Double post: RayFrost was 8th in popularity. Vezo is 7th and he qt with me, who is 9th.

[Tazaro]

Well, vezopiraka (who replaced reaper charlie) has a quicktopic with me. He was 7th; I was 9th. He avoided RayFrost who was one of the ones who voted for Andrius.

I can tell you that not everyone seemed to follow the "QT the person below you: plan because I have 3 QTs.

Well, I don't know why I was Qt'ed instead of RayFrost. I wonder if vezo will tell me.

[Tazaro]

Hey guys, I'm having immense troubles with my internet as of late. Like, 5 minute loading times per fucking page. It's not pleasant. I get home, slightly tired and hoping for some relaxing net-surfing and then I get these uber frustrating load times.

Vote: whoeverreplacedreapercharlie

just because. Reasons come later once this stupidly slow internets become fixed and I can review the thread etc.

That would be vezopiraka, whom I was talking about.

[Tazaro]

Tazaro, if you're concerned that vezok skipped over Rayfrost to neighborize you, why did you also do the same thing to neighborize with ShiftyWhip?

I'm concerned about the issue of what vezo's

reason

for skipping RayFrost is. I neighborized with ShiftyWhip because I do NOT want to talk to Andrius or Parama who are suspicious to me due to Sando's flip as town. I do not want to run the risk of being propogandized/swayed by scum.

[Tazaro]

@vezo, Why is RayFrost scum? Why did you neighborize with me, vezo?

[Tazaro]

Who do you think is scum? Why?

Why aren't you voting them if you think they are scum?

How have your reads changed from the flip(s)?

What is your opinion of parama's play? Do you feel the way that parama's set up an easy way to go on both easy lynches (if sando isn't scum, andrius is!) is scummy or sincerely the result of scumhunting?

Do you feel that VV's defense of andrius was coming from a sincerely town-sided motivation or that he was doing it for an ulterior motive?

I'll answer about the reads first. RayFrost and PranaDevil are more strongly pro-town in my eyes, though PranaDevil is dead. I may be overreacting with vezo's neighboring of me so I'll tag him as neutral. Andrius is neutral leaning scum, I'm very uncomfortable that he wasn't lynched now because that would have given me more necessary information about alignments than Sando's lynch.
I feel that Andrius and Parama, and maybe vezo, can be scum; reaper charlie's being scum would explain his aloof and non-attentive behavior but it's also likely to be his disinterest in the game in general. Parama was cheerleading for me to vote for Sando, and Andrius's bandwagon being better than Sando's, in retrospect, makes me regret that I didn't keep my vote there.
My vote is not on anyone and I don't like to vote right away in the beginning of a lot of the Days in games, but I might as well vote since we need to get discussion going NOW. I want a wagon on a person of suspicion; in fact I think I will like to vote for Parama because he cheerleaded my vote on Sando and his quote vote on Andrius is off-putting coupled with Parama's corresponding attitude so far.
So that's my opinion of Parama's play; and Parama is likely going to use the scum tactic of distancing from Andrius, but even if Andrius is not scum, Parama's behavior is and his vote would be an easy lynch that should not be a bait that we consider taking before we kill Parama.
I don't know what to think of VV.

[Tazaro]

Double post: Oh, I should have done in this my previous post:

VOTE: Parama

[Tazaro]

I more interested in what you say about Parama than RayFrost. RayFrost didn't vote for Sando, so that's good. And Friend's actions were influenced by Andrius's and the other talkatives.

[Tazaro]

Yeah, Parama's never been too subtle, has he.

[Tazaro]

Tazaro, I may have been telling you to vote Sando, but you were the one who did it.

Nice diversion from yourself.

[Tazaro]

Sando has made a couple of posts that people jumped over for no real reason, and apparently is due to be lynched despite being nowhere near as scummy as Andrius, let alone RC.

Parama decides to blatantly lie about having a day cop role to try and get Sando lynched, and thus far, nobody has actually questioned him on this point.

But I believe PranaDevil. Her flip as town makes her words like the words of a bible. Shouldn't have killed her a made her a martyr to draw nuggets of truth from, like Sando's overreacted-to posts.

[Tazaro]

In other words, Prana's ghost cries out for revenge against the Paraman conspiracy.

[Tazaro]

What do you think of vezo, Parama?

[Tazaro]

I mean, what do you think of vezo in THIS game.

[Tazaro]

Well if you look at tasky he started to direct PRs form his first post. That idea is not too bad but when there are only two types of people who will say that idea. Dumb newbie town. Or mafia GF. I really don't think Tasky just thought of this and posted it. It seems like he had an idea to manipulate the town.

Decide if you agree with this, guys. It's a good point that I'm impressed that vezo made.

[Tazaro]

I'll see what people may do when I:

UNVOTE: Parama

[Tazaro]

After thinking about it, I'd support an Andrius lynch. I think Parama's telling the truth about stuff.

[Tazaro]

UNVOTE

VOTE: Andrius

[Tazaro]

I feel that Andrius and Parama, and maybe vezo, can be scum.

This is my hit list, if Parama's not the lynch, then I suggest that Andrius can be the lynch instead.

[Tazaro]

Double post: And I'm making the suggestion that Parama should not be the lynch because Parama is saying stuff I believe. Maybe I'm easily swayed, but plenty of us can see that the concept of an Andrius lynch is in the air.

[Tazaro]

Additional point: Where is Andrius, is he ducking day two discussion?

[Tazaro]

Apologizing to you, did not know if it was strategy.

[Tazaro]

@ShiftyWhip, why did you vote for vezo?

[Tazaro]

Double post: and don't just say that he replaced a person who posted spam you did not want to read (reaper charlie).

[Tazaro]

right now im willing to believe parama about andrius being scum so

vote:andrius

I feel the same way about Parama's believability, too. I'm with you on this. I should have voted for Andrius during Period One, but my vote for him during this period, Period Two, is still a good place to have myself parked at.

[Tazaro]

Voting for Max is wrong, just wrong.

[Tazaro]

Both his reason for Rayfrost-scum and Parama-scum is based on meta, which is totally useless.

You left out VV's meta defense of me. Why?

Because meta-defenses are even worse than meta attacks and because I don't give a damn about anything VV-scum has to say.

Especially since he's saying his vote is for Max.

I

have more credibility than that.

[Tazaro]

Where IS vollkan?

[Tazaro]

EBWOP: Oh, he posted when it was yesterday night past my bedtime.

[Tazaro]

VV, I know a reason that supports Parama's "I'd lynch Andrius and VV before I'd lynch vollkan"; it's the fact that you are not voting for Andrius or anyone who's name is in the air, and are voting Max (?); that is a good reason to lynch VV if we don't lynch Andrius.

[Tazaro]

vezo's not the lynch today unless he really commits scum tells. Get on the Andrius express.

[Tazaro]

Does anybody know how a change in popularity level would happen? Can it happen? I would like to see what the informational advantages of talking with your neighbors in the preceding passing periods are, but I am also worried about scum qt-ing with me. I can see that Andrius is below me in popularity; if he gets lynched than the only person below me in popularity that I haven't neignborized is Parama. I guess I could neighborize with him. It will be interesting to talk with vezo, though, because we both like concise posts. We aren't WoTers.

[Tazaro]

EDIT BY WAY OF POST: not preceding but SUCCEEDING passing periods

[Tazaro]

Andrius wagon < vezok wagon

WHy?

[Tazaro]

Then your inequality sign is pointing in the wrong direction; it should be >.

[Tazaro]

Andrius wagon < vezok wagon

WHy?

Vezok's scum.

So is andrius, but vezok won't provide any connections, andrius will. So andrius-scum that's alive = scumconnections, while vezok-scum that's alive = none, both are scum, but there's a preference.

No, Max, he's clearly saying that an Andrius lynch is better because an Andrius lynch will provide "scumconnections," and a vezok lynch is not that informative.

[Tazaro]

EBWOP OOPS: He said Andrius that's ALIVE. So yes Andrius < Vezo.
I'll unvote:

Unvote

Vote: Vezopiraka

[Tazaro]

And on your points about Parama I can see exactly where you are coming from. He is manipulating his wording so he doesn't have to contradict to jump wagon.

Um, if anyone contradicts themselves ever, I'd jump right on their case, because nobody should ever need to contradict themselves to make a valid case.
Andrius wagon is still better than vezok wagon.

He was talking about YOU avoiding contradiction, not others.

[Tazaro]

I believe Tazaro is scum. Looking through his posts he has posted three pages worth of iso with no content. He asks a lot of questions but never comments on the answers.

I'm scattered brained. I don't even remember whom I replaced.

[Tazaro]

Andrius wagon is still better than vezok wagon.

What about the idea that Andrius's being alive would furnish more info about scum connections?

[Tazaro]

Andrius wagon < vezok wagon

WHy?

Vezok's scum.

So is andrius, but vezok won't provide any connections, andrius will. So andrius-scum that's alive = scumconnections, while vezok-scum that's alive = none, both are scum, but there's a preference.

At this rate, if andrius doesn't provide connections while he's alive, we can lynch him after vezo, or before vezo if we see Andrius not providing any connections in period two.

[Tazaro]

If RayFrost sees you scum everywhere, vollkan, then that's a null tell, no?

[Tazaro]

are qt's only for use in passing prds?

[Tazaro]

Now that VV voted for vezo, I'm not so sure now.

Unvote

[Tazaro]

I want to see if vollkan's going to vote for anyone; he makes me suspicious for not doing so.

[Tazaro]

^I guess I don't necessarily have to divulge why I won't be posting other stuff right now.

[Tazaro]

My deliberation has resulted in this:

VOTE: Andrius

[Tazaro]

Tazaro is looking more scummy and less like a VI, while I look at him.

Seriously, how am I not a VI?

[Tazaro]

^Vezo's point about RF is noted.

[Tazaro]

Tazaro is looking more scummy and less like a VI, while I look at him.

Quote reeks of trying to get another person for people to go after.

[Tazaro]

If anyone wants to lynch me that's fine, but for this day we should lynch one of Vezo or Andrius.

[Tazaro]

Other people, vote please.

[Tazaro]

Hmm, I wonder about doing so:

Unvote

Vote: Vezokpiraka

[Tazaro]

I'm more sure than Andrius is NOT scum now. I think he's been pressed as the lynch the first day for illegitimate reasons and is still being set up today just because of that.

[Tazaro]

Vote for vezo; I do not think RayFrost and ShiftyWhip and VV are wrong at the same time.

[Tazaro]

Max, not shiftywhip. Though, shiftywhip originally voted for vezo.

[Tazaro]

@Twomz, understand the night ability; each night (called passing periods) you get to neighborize with someone and if you become neighbors that night, you get a quicktopic with them but you won't be able to talk with them yet during that night; and you are guaranteed to neighborize with them IF they are less popular than you. The quicktopics can only be used at night (passing periods).

[Tazaro]

@Twomz, I forgot to include the fact that if you choice to neighborize with someone at night who's MORE popular than you, then that attempt at neighborizing won't work. But perhaps the more popular person will neighborize you and THAT would work, but that might not happen.

[Tazaro]

moar from Shiftwhip and vollkan, would be good.

[Tazaro]

I'm willing to vote for anyone who's name starts with a V.

[Tazaro]

iq hasn't said much. And ShiftyWhip's getting replaced. Blarr.

[Tazaro]

For now,

Unvote, Vote Tasky's slot

(in case it's not him anymore)

That's me; I can ensure you I'm town. I've seen Tasky before, he's scummy even when he's town.

[Tazaro]

See! I said I didn't remember who I replaced. What a game.

[Tazaro]

I believe Tazaro is scum. Looking through his posts he has posted three pages worth of iso with no content. He asks a lot of questions but never comments on the answers.

I'm scattered brained. I don't even remember whom I replaced.

This was still true even when I said Tasky.

[Tazaro]

my town game is horrible of late

[Tazaro]

In other news,

I'm v/la on Tuesday and/or Wednesday/Thursday. Probably not so much on Thursday, and maybe I'll be fine Wed afternoon sometime

[Tazaro]

@Parama, why did you vote for vollkan?

[Tazaro]

Also

Unvote

Vote: Andrius

[Tazaro]

vollkan needs to vote.

[Tazaro]

Unvote

Vote: vollkan

I suggest others pressure him to vote; his non-vote is alarming

[Tazaro]

@MOD: vote count, please? I just came back from being missing all day.

[Tazaro]

vollkan voted, good for him:

UNVOTE

VOTE: Andrius

[Tazaro]

I guess his bolding of VV confused me. I still want Andrius to be finally lynched.

[Tazaro]

UNVOTE

VOTE: vezokpiraka

Willing to lynch this V person.

[Tazaro]

I vote for who other people agree with as suspects; I want to finally lynch one of the suspects; people just need to reach a consensus.

[Tazaro]

I could be wrong, but ATM, i think Vezok/RC is a better lynch than Parama.

I agree with NicolBolas.

[Tazaro]

YOU'RE AT L-1, VEZOK!

[Tazaro]

Vezo needs to respond to vollkan.

[Tazaro]

Hey look, my top 2 scumspects think my theory is wrong.

You don't have to agree with me, but it's certainly not something you should be attacking me for

Looks like Distancing

Vote: Parama

[Tazaro]

I am keeping my vote.

[Tazaro]

It's mylo? Hmm... I'm voting Parama based on what Xite said in the quicktopic. Tell them, Xite.

[Tazaro]

Ug, this day's going to be...

[Tazaro]

I can settle for a no lynch.

Unvote

Vote

[Tazaro]

EBWOP:

Unvote

Vote: No Lynch

[Tazaro]

mafia is to divert from the stress of homework

[Tazaro]

Hey look, my top 2 scumspects think my theory is wrong.

You don't have to agree with me, but it's certainly not something you should be attacking me for

Perhaps criticizing coupled wiht coaching is better way to phrase it than distancing. Sometimes criticizing is distancing, but eh Parama's suspicious.

[Tazaro]

I'mma be busy today.

[Tazaro]

Isn't almost impossible for us to avoid a no lynch with the vote count the way that it is?

[Tazaro]

What is your position on vollkan?

Yoda talks: majorly iffy, vollkan is.

[Tazaro]

The suspicion I have is of your aloofness in this game, and I trust's Xite's suspicion of you, too. The town reads I have are Twomz, NicolBolas, and Xite.

[Tazaro]

The suspicion I have is of your aloofness in this game, and I trust's Xite's suspicion of you, too. The town reads I have are Twomz, NicolBolas, and Xite.

Techinally, this is 19 words, not 20.

Why do you feel the need to post your town reads?

The town reads were part of my explanation I was giving. Since those are my town reads, vollkan is one of those whom I've narrowed down.

[Tazaro]

That's the right accusation, Nicol, manipulation of meta; I don't see why suspicions should be disbanded due to meta that was in another game waiting to be cited in case one eventually becomes scum in another game.

[Tazaro]

Not much to say about a player who hadn't posted frequently and seems to be in a bubble.

[Tazaro]

hmm. I'm gonna go and read through both Tazaro and vollkan.

Nonsequitor reaction to my post?

[Tazaro]

I'm a bad player; it's as simple as that.
I think I'm voting for No Lynch, hmm who else could do so?

[Tazaro]

Because I don't know who to vote for most of the time.

[Tazaro]

you've just been jumping from one to the other on a seemingly ad hoc basis.

That doesn't give you any indication that I don't know what I'm doing?

[Tazaro]

It's too far in the game to rp=eplace :/

[Tazaro]

I'm dead weight to this game

@MOD: I request replacment

[Tazaro]

Do not hesitate to replace when you are bogged down. That is something that I learned.

[Tazaro]

Err. to replace OUT, I mean.