Mafia 1013 - Prozacs Basic Theme - Game has ENDED

[Raivann]

That's a shame what happened to Doris and Mac, they had the best damn clam chowder in town.

[Raivann]

vote: Jack

for being last to confirm. He wanted to carry on chatting with his scumbuddies.

Vote: Fishythefish

For projecting his chatting with his scumbuddies onto Jack and he is actually a piranha, coming soon in 3D.

Raivann - Are you the type of person who tends to be bias agains't people that play differently than others? Why or why not?

No, because momma didn't raise no fool.
But what exactly do you mean by "play differently" ?
There are things I consider scummy and things I consider townie, but I would rather not say what those are. Scum could just use it to play me.

[Raivann]

O_o @ the last three posting all having the same question.

For the record, although I may be experienced, I prefer to call myself MS-challenged . I don't play the same way people expect "experienced MS players" to play. For Example: I never use the terms FOS, WIFOM, etc. Plus I am not a fan of Random Voting. I think I basically just do not like conforming and the fact that I like to have fun and be odd (which often makes me stick out as a target for an easy lynch because I try to have fun ).

I've noticed a lot of people (not a majority, but there's always that one or two player each game) on here get off by arguing and debating (I think a lot of people just come here to prove they are better debaters - trying to use logic to twist what has happened to their advantage). I prefer to just have fun and use my not-so-impressive skills to catch mafia (although I think I downplay my skills, there are certain things I catch that make me go "Aha! He is mafia! Lynch him!" but nobody sees my point and I'm not the best of using said twisted logic to make people see things how I see it ). I don't know what the point of writing all that is. Just so everyone can see my point-of-view/playstyle and be prepared? Lol.

FoS:Blackberry

for 5 smilies and 1 Lol in 1 post, if you count the first O_o. With that many in a short post it looks like sucking up.

I'm not smilie biased mind you, your post just seems overly smilie and thus suspicious to me.

[Raivann]

@Blackberry- Why are the 3 questions repeated ? Did you paste them without reading ? Did you make them up ?

[Raivann]

O_o @ the last three posting all having the same question.

Oh, I just now got this.
I thought you were talking about your last 3 questions you asked, dur.

As for sucking up i mean to the town in general like saying "hey don't worry about me I'm all loveable smiles" whilst you slit our throats in the night.

[Raivann]

As for sucking up i mean to the town in general like saying "hey don't worry about me I'm all loveable smiles" whilst you slit our throats in the night.

The hell? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard (no offense). There is a huge difference between liking a player and thinking they are town.

and...

However, there is a small amount of truth to 'scum is more worried about appearances.'

No offense taken. I do however think you're lying, I'm sure you've heard more stupid things than that post of mine.

scum=liars=llama.

if a=b and b=c then a=c.

unvote, Vote:llamaeatataco

@xvart- I didn't vote Blackberry I FoS'ed him.

[Raivann]

Fishy, I'd hardly consider thinking about how you are viewed as scummy. Whether you're town, scum or whatever, you want to be seen as town. That's common to all roles, is it not? What makes it scummy in the first place?

Unvote

for now. Expect a serious vote shortly.

Do you know who your serious vote is gonna be for? Or were you gonna makeup something shortly?

Why not just serious vote now ?

[Raivann]

@llamaeatataco- What is your read on mallowgeno?

@mallowgeno- What is your read on llama ?

I am leaning town on Budja.

[Raivann]

I've played w/him a couple times before and I think he knows I usually get lynched early and often.
I think if he was scum he wouldn't have agreed w/me on anything.
And his posts have a certain ring of genuineness to them.
I'm still neutral on Fishy. I've played w/him before too and I think he has defended himself well enough. Hmmm..idk.
I didn't like mallow or Fishies RVS votes, granted I know they're jokes but I thought Fishy was the one scumchatting
and why RVS vote someone for being a mod unless you were scared of their scumhunting abilities.

[Raivann]

Yes and No

My strategy was make myself vulnerable, see who attacks me as an "easy target" and make judgments from there. Although I think I did accomplish making me look vulnerable, no one actually attacked me for what I expected them to attack me for (the non-conforming thing).

I did not set a deliberate of a trap as I have in the past (I would refer to it as a reaction test, trap makes it sound like it is only meant for mafia, where in this case, it is meant to see who will jump the gun early enough and make accusations, who I suspect would be mafia).

What is the non conforming thing ?

I'm not quite sure I'm buying what your selling here. So you make yourself appear an easy target how?

[Raivann]

^ replace "lazy." with "scum."

[Raivann]

That's not what I meant, I don't find that scummy. It actually gets old repeating things three times, I agree.
But you don't strike me as a "lazy" player, more like fakeraging flailing scum.

[Raivann]

^ replace "lazy." with "scum."

What a brilliant, worthwhile post.

Thanks, I liked yours too!

[Raivann]

Why do you think Jack is scum ?

[Raivann]

Why do you think Jack is scum ?

Is this directed at me? I'd hope not considering I didn't state that I thought he was.

No, it was directed at Llama, your scumbuddy. In regards to his flailing.

[Raivann]

Also, Jack's being annoying, evasive and got pissed off for no discernible reason (that would be being defensive, would it not?). The last two, are in my opinion scum moves. I voted him because I didn't lose anything (We aren't anywhere near lynching time as far as I can tell) and I wanted to make it clear that I didn't like his actions. BTW, has has answered the question yet? I mean, I'm pretty sure I know what his answer will be, but I still want to win the fight.

Scummy post here by llama. It reads like he knows he made a bad vote on Jack. He says they are scum moves, then makes excuses for his vote.
He's Flailing.

[Raivann]

I am leaving my vote on Jack until he answers my question or he is replaced. Him being uncooperative is not going to help us at all and it's hard to get a read on him. It's really pissing me off.

POROCHAZ:

Is it possible to get Jack replaced on the fact he isn't being cooperative, and being uncooperative works against one's win condition either way, thus, he is not playing by the rules and working towards his win condition.

Could this be bussing/distancing ?

I got a crazy theory...

Blackberry votes Jack and pretends to be mad at him and hopes llama wagon loses steam.
And once Llama got 4 votes he makes a distancing vote on Jack.
I feel there is something off with llama's vote and Blackberry's replacement request in regards to Jack.
So to wrap up my crazy theory, the scumteam is- Llamaeatataco, Blackberry, Jack.

I'm gonna reread thread with this POV...

[Raivann]

lmao!

[Raivann]

I was first on llama with my case and my vote!

Ok reread is done.
I really, really like Llama and Blackberry as scumbuddies. I'll buy dinner if I'm wrong.
But not so much Jack as 3rd scum, that is Flameaxe.

Blackberrys implosion and Flameaxes misreads and recent vote seal it.

Let's do this. I'll go get a rope.

Llama you're up first.

[Raivann]

Not to mention some nice lurking between the smiley argument and the meta's. You spark a discussion, don't commit to the statements you made with a vote, and drift out of the spotlight...

It's called THE WEEKEND!

[Raivann]

A question to everyone in this thread: Do you believe Jack's claim?

No, I thought he was trying to get mallow to slipup. Looked like scumhunting to me.

[Raivann]

@xvart, Strangercoug, Mitsuru - We are lynching llama today.

[Raivann]

unvote, Vote: Flameaxe

This is a good lynch too.

[Raivann]

I'm down for lynching either llama, BB, or Flame today.

xvart is town.

[Raivann]

unvote, Vote: Flameaxe

This is a good lynch too.

Every time you post, I feel better and better about my vote. Keep it up.

What do you thimk of xvart's case against BB ?

[Raivann]

Anon is prob town.
My reads haven't changed. I think the best case made so far is xvarts on BB.

[Raivann]

The fact that you aren't voting me right away makes me think you aren't mafia (I think mafia would take the "Blackberry is different" opportunity and use it to vote me). The fact you have not done so suggests you're most likely an open-minded townsperson.

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Here is Blackberry somewhat appeasing an attacker. To call me an open minded townsperson like that pinged my scumdar. But it wasn't until his stunt where asked for Jack to be replaced for not answering questions that really got me thinking scum.

Fishy, I'd hardly consider thinking about how you are viewed as scummy. Whether you're town, scum or whatever, you want to be seen as town. That's common to all roles, is it not? What makes it scummy in the first place?

Unvote

for now.

Expect a serious vote shortly.

Llama - 5 - raivann, Budja, Fishythefish, Anon,
Jack - 3 - Blackberry, Mallowgeno
mallowgeno - 2 - Mitsuru,
Blackberry - 1 - xvart
Raivan - 1 - Flameaxe
Anon- 1- Llama
Coug- 1- Jack
Not Voting- 1- Coug

Seeing as the Mallow lynch has gone nowhere, I'll be

Unvoting

myself.

I don't have time to make a new case at the moment, but I will later tonight or tomorrow. Just thought a VC would help.

I never liked Mitsuru's mallow votes it seemed like going after an easy target.
The parts I bolded in above quotes strike me as scum not having a case and just making a case up later.

[Raivann]

Ok, I like your response. Seems truthful enough.

Does this mean that you agree with Anon's case on Flameaxe?

Yeah.

Do you and Flame really think I'm the best lynch option today?
Or does my scumhunting frighten you?

[Raivann]

Anon is prob town.
My reads haven't changed. I think the best case made so far is xvarts on BB.

The best case in the game according to you arises, and yet you still hang on to a silly OMGUS vote.

I don't like your reads this game. Maybe you should start using your gut, you are off on me for example

Sure, I'll bite...

unvote, Vote: Blackberry

[Raivann]

pffhhtt.

[Raivann]

Ok, the last few pages are a mess to dig through.

unvote, vote Raivann

for joining onto the bad FA, BB cases. Anon/xvart don't stick out as scum but hopping onto those wagons doesn't sit well with me.

Talk about scummy wagon hopping. I see you hopped onto my wagon 3rd, nice scummy spot.

Why is calling someone an open minded townsperson something scum would do?

You deleted my prior sentence in your quote where I say why.

[Raivann]

Because of his defending of llama and BB and me thinking llama and BB are scum. Also I think his reads are off intentionally.
I haven't changed my mind, I am still happy to lynch Flame, BB, or llama.

[Raivann]

Not to mention he turned into an aggro potty mouth when he got some votes.

[Raivann]

That was a quick vote Fishy. You didn't even wait for me to answer your setup questions.
Hmmm...maybe my reads are off.

[Raivann]

unvote, Vote: Fishythefish

[Raivann]

It's ok, breath, relax.

[Raivann]

I'm not really believing Raivann's read on Flameaxe. I don't feel it's a natural reaction to someone criticising your reads to call them scummy for defending those players and disagreeing with you. Similarly, I seriously dislike the OMGUS of calling Budja scum simply for being the third vote on his wagon. He seems far more concerned with undermining people who attack him than explaining his votes, defending himself or determining people's alignments.

unvote, vote: Raivann

I never called Budja scum.
Thats why you thought you could get away with hopping on my wagon too, and hope nobody paid attention to Jack's case on you, but, no.

@BB- xvart already covered that better than I could. I didn't know what to make of it when I read it.
I thought maybe Jack pissed you off in the scumQT or something. It struck me as odd to ask for Jack to be replaced, he seemed to be scumhunting to me.
How could you think you could get someone replaced just because you didn't like their answers?
It doesn't mak any sense unless your trying somehow to get townie points.

[Raivann]

Jack finally starts making sense in #358. Awaiting Fishythefish's response to it; maybe I'll switch after I see it.

Anon is prob town.
My reads haven't changed. I think the best case made so far is xvarts on BB.

The best case in the game according to you arises, and yet you still hang on to a silly OMGUS vote.

I don't like your reads this game. Maybe you should start using your gut, you are off on me for example

Sure, I'll bite...

unvote, Vote: Blackberry

FoS: Raivann

for what is essentially OMGUS.

I called him llama's scumbuddy, then he voted me !

[Raivann]

Post # 180...

Why do you think Jack is scum ?

Is this directed at me? I'd hope not considering I didn't state that I thought he was.

No, it was directed at Llama, your scumbuddy. In regards to his flailing.

Post # 181

Why do you think Jack is scum ?

Is this directed at me? I'd hope not considering I didn't state that I thought he was.

No, it was directed at Llama, your scumbuddy. In regards to his flailing.

Oh wow, what a brash statement here. I think someone is holding back his opinions of this game.

Here is where flameaxe starts and decides to go after me.
He decides he is gonna make an example of this brash noob. How dare I call him and llama scumbuddies!
He goes on to say I think I'm a celebrity or some shit. It's because I was right about him and llama.

[Raivann]

Overall, weak scumhunting at best, way too many baseless hypotheticals, some strawmanning on multiple occasions, and some omgus votes.

So basically - " I'll post a whole bunch of stuff that everyone will skim over then I'll vote your for scumhunting, and I'll throw in some mafia lingo like omgus, hypothehicals, and strawmanning, Yeah that should be good."

[Raivann]

Scum= llama, flameaxe, fishy

Town= Raivann, xvart,Anon,Jack, Budja, Mitsuru,mallow

Neutral= SC, BB

[Raivann]

Ugh! I can't believe I'm gonna get lynched day 1 again!
Ya know whats funny Is that I actually tried to play better in this game
Oh well Fantasy football starts soon.

claim: Vanilla Townie

I think Cincy is gonna move the ball this year. Definitely gonna beat the Steelers.

[Raivann]

I am L2 with multiple FoS'es.

I figured better to claim now then wait.

Seattle here, btw.

[Raivann]

I like Fishies last post.

unvote

@Fish- I think I made my reads and reasons why clear.

Vote:Blackberry

His jump onto my wagon felt forced and was by far the most scummy.

[Raivann]

Ha!! You don't even know who you were voting for!

[Raivann]

BS, that was a scumslip.

unvote, Vote:llamaeatataco

[Raivann]

You're getting worse and worse. You have horrendous cases on Fishythefish (not allowing you a chance to answer him), Blackberry (voting you for calling llamaeatataco his scumbuddy), and Flameaxe (making walls of text and filling them with buzzwords). I do not buy any of those three as legitimate, and I'm pretty sure there aren't that many here that do either.

I agree those are horrendous cases, they're not even close to my cases but what the hell, right?

[Raivann]

So then, now that you were lynched, can you tell us whether you were actually a VT?

^Townie post.

[Raivann]

internets down phone posting be up this weekend hopefully

[Raivann]

unvote, Vote: Blackberry

[Raivann]

I claimed awhile back. I'm VT.

[Raivann]

Not switching.
Lynching the claimed VT is a smarter move.
Also BB is town.

BB is scum. So is llama.

[Raivann]

Yes, I would like to not get lynched and BB is scum too.

[Raivann]

You aren't wrong, Budja is. I'm actually VT.
Go town!

[Raivann]

GG all. Wow we got pwned. Nice job scum.