Greetings to those I know.
Hello to those I don't
VOTE: Furcolow. You probably use a Game-Shark.
Glad you are so up-front with your pretend Anti-Town play.Shotty wrote:I'm going to withhold information from this town by not answering Neto's questions.
Why do you assume that your short-comings in regards to Neto are automatically shared by the rest of the player-base?Robo wrote:I'm just sayin' I've been played by Neto before. I have made the mistake of automatically calling him town then listening to him.
You said you’ve played with Ythan before and this surprises you?Neto wrote:What, exactly, about it? (This is like pulling teeth...)
Your previous post said “oh no not robo” with a winky smile. Hardly the response of someone who really is likely to be irritated. This post thus looks like an OMGUS-lite to Robo’s criticism at 51 and 53.Fur wrote:this game is getting on my nerves
i attribute it to robocopter, who always manages to get on my nerves
i am wanting a more fun game
##vote robocopter87
Millar responds to the prod at 6:02pm stating he never got a Role PM. He retracts this at 6:04pm. His only previous post was his “confirm vodka bitches” post on Page 1.millar wrote:Just caught up Vote: Robo
semes quite scummy from what i have gathered
Aside from the grammatical issues this post confirms Robo is Town in my mind, since he screwed up the mechanics as clearly indicated in 134.Robo wrote:Everyone now has one less vote to stay alive. I have the normal amount.
1. I agree that FOSing might be the wise way to go ala Square Enix Mafia.Kdub wrote:I think we need to be careful in future days and not vote until we are ready to lynch. Use FoS instead or something. If it turns out that robo is scum, I think millar could be his buddy since he immediately claimed that robo was confirmed town after that.
UNVOTE:
What about hearing the claim in itself is useful to you if you will hammer regardless of what the claim is? That’s not a Pro-Town thought process.bv310 wrote:Oh, I'm still more than willing to hammer, especially now that Robo has claimed. I just wanted to hear a claim first.
So you are basing your vote on dislike of his playstyle, not specific actions you think are scummy. I’m not sure what “off the scene“ means but I’m assuming you are supporting him for a policy lynch.millar wrote:Honesty i dislike him totally, in the way he plays and his general attitude. And if he is off the scene, then I am actually able to play the game and search for mafiascum instead of human scum
1. As the prospective lynch at that point he already has a target. What is your point?millar wrote: 1) You are putting a target over you head
2) You are trying to use it as leverage not to get lynched (but ultimatley mafia will normally NK u unless you are fellow scum)
3) If you mention roles, but then say you will only reveal say at L-1 rather than L-2...then that is just scummy.
The first sentence makes zero sense. Who has a vendetta against you? I don’t see one evident.millar wrote:I'm not replacing out of a game, because someone has a vendetta on me and I'm stepping up to the mark.
Plus the fact that from a quick skim...he seems most scummy seems to be apparent. Its quite clear im not the only one that thinks this after only six pages
Regardless of whether it is passive or active why is preventing your lynch (and thus playing to your win condition) inherently scummy?millar wrote:i still don't believe its a passive thing, but rather a selfish-self election thing.
And the quick back-track when you realize the most logical conclusion is that the Zerg rush was a quicklynch attempt in all likelihood scum driven. Scummy.millar wrote:However, someone did think they were going to kill you off though. Which means scum definitely fear you; which means despite everything i said earlier your 100% town.
[/quote]millar wrote:That is the exact point i made lol; i think we can confirm Robo as town.
Unless of course a fellow mafia member knew he would survive; in the ultimate cover-up
Attacking someone who questioned you noted.Neto wrote:MoI, are you really attacking me over the length of time involved in my thought processes? I thought I'd seen every flimsy argument in the book, but this is a new one on me. My questions were not gut based, they were very logical, as I was pointing out logical inconsistencies in Robo's claim as I originally thought about it. Admittedly, I got a bit overexcited.
There are plenty of reasons in my big post you seem to be doing your best to pretend don't exist.millar13 wrote:Reasons Kdub?
Please explain how your power makes you confirmable Town. Non-alignment based Cops can easily be of ANY alignment. Proven power does not equal proven alignment.Furc wrote:buddy, get out of here with that shit. i am just fucking telling you who i am, and that i can "interrogate" people. i can't see alignments, i can see people's abilities. i'm not 100% a cop, but i am confirmable town. if i get myself killed tonight by scum, what the fuck ever, i'd rather us have a chance to lynch fucking scum instead of you fucks mislynching me.
You do understand that your position and reasoning when you voted for Robo makes you just as likely a candidate to be a scum involved in the Zerg quicklynch attempt.millar wrote:And if he actually is scum; then this ZERG thing could very well have been instigated by him
so would be irony if it was sort of pushing him againgst it.
millar wrote:Policy lynching a bad player is common; i often deserve it.
Wait, what? Are you just making up your opinions just to suit whatever current argument you have?millar wrote:Policy lynch; even if i am town?
You agree with Iec that millar is the top scum suspect but prefer to keep your vote hanging on Neto where it has no legs. Especially given you aren’t doing anything to further support it? Reads as fence-sitting millar to me.Shotty wrote:I pretty much agree with your Millar read, but I'm not moving my vote atm.
If you think Shotty is scum why wait to make a case on him? Regardless of whether you think he is today’s lynch if you are Town the possibility of you dying in the Night with your ‘case’ unmade means you are depriving Town of information. If, that is, you actually intend to make a case.millar wrote:I said i was coming for STTB tomorrow, and going back ive type ")" instead 2 too make it Day 2. I'm not planning to post big case on STTB till the second day; as i don't think that STTB will be a lynch tonight or a very good one anyway. If things do change; then maybe I will make one. Day 2 it will come.
Would love to know your opinion on other players though; because it seems you are targeting me (fair enough everyone does lol) and Furcolow slighty.
Would love to know how you feel about Jack or does he not register?
TheMod wrote: Still Leveling Up
-bv310
-Furcolow
-Iecerint
-Kdub
-MagnaofIllusion
-millar13
-SpyreX Mindgamer
-Muffin
-Netopalis
-Robocopter87 SensFan
-Shotty to the Body
-Ythan
False argument .. no-one asked you to make a case on everyone – just the player you said you were “going after”. Given your play is so atrociously bad why should Town keep you alive? You are adding no scum-hunting, you aren’t even bothering to pay attention to who is actually playing the game and are making crap arguments. At this point I really don’t care if I don’t see your case on Shotty because quite frankly your play so far tells me it will be worthless.millar wrote:I'm not going to make MAJOR CASES on everyone on D1...im not an idiot (there is a survivor aspect of this game; that everyone denies and very few actually sacrafice)
I’m going to ask you what I’ve asked Furc – why do you assume that Furc’s ability is Town based?kdub wrote:Furcolow's play has been almost as crazy as millar's, but I'm leaning toward believing his claim. It's at least provable and is a useful town role. And if we're not going to believe a D1 investigative role claim, what are we going to believe anyway?
You think that Shotty’s reasons presented when voting were worse than Furc’s or millar’s?Neto wrote:In regards to my Shotty case, my point is that Shotty didn't say much at all to support it. I think that his vote is more scummy for that reason, although Furcolow and Millar are close second and third.
Shotty wrote:Guilty people are paranoid, innocents have nothing to fear.
Unvote vote robo
Furc wrote:this game is getting on my nerves
i attribute it to robocopter, who always manages to get on my nerves
i am wanting a more fun game
##vote robocopter87
All three of the votes are pretty bad but Shotty at least advanced something that somewhat resembles an actual game reason. Furc’s reasoning is personal dislike and millar at voting time said nothing at all.millar wrote:Just caught up Vote: Robo
semes quite scummy from what i have gathered
Pointless speculation about what Ythan would or wouldn’t have done is not scum-hunting. Your conclusion is invalid.Furc wrote:ythan, if you had been around when that zerg rush thing happened, i bet you would have hammered. muffin, millar, and robocopter were the ones who were on at that time.
Please provide links of completed games where you were not lynched as scum. If you can’t this is an invalid argument.Furc wrote:they don't have to waste them on me either, because i don't get lynched as scum, and i always get lynched as town
You see his play and don't think in anyway it resembles scummy play?Robocopter87 wrote:I thought I made it quite clear that I didn't think he was scum with my chainsaw defense.MoI wrote:@Robo – Please share your thoughts on millar.
That’s not the question I asked. I asked how you power proved your alignment. Thanks for filling your response with uselessness.Furc wrote:1: I'm telling you my alignment and role, I don't know what else to do other than that. Believe me, or not, I am good.
Can you explained how it will help the Town? I see the following scenario.Furc wrote:2. I saw this in another game... mafia in mendo I think... and it really helped the town. I'm just throwing out ideas to help with this.
Robo at 408 wrote:Whoa...
No clue whats Spyre is getting at...
So with that being said, Lets do what he says!
^^The above is serious, might as well just do what he's asking.
So at 408 you say “Weee, what the heck let’s do this” and then come back at 417 with “Tell me more about this plan of yours”Robo at 417 wrote:Hey Spyre,
Can you be a little more clear on this plan of yours?
Really I'd highly doubt you are the Nightkill right now. I don't see your hunting as out of the ordinary and you certainly played badly enough up till the Zerg Rush that despite you being a very likely confirmed innocent there are people who still consider you as potential scum.Robocopter87 wrote: Also, You do know that I will be probably be the NK right? I already claimed a pretty powerful ability and am basically confirmed, making me a big target. Well, I will be the NK if there is only one NK.
First off stop professing love for me no matter how much potential fan-fiction might result from the ‘combination’ of roles. It creeps me out a bit as buddying, quite frankly.Iec wrote:The chronology of his post is a a little weird; I'd like it if he could explain it to me. Also, why didn't you yell at me for keeping my vote on Ythan when I said Millar was top scum? I ask because you attack S2B for as much.
Pretty much. There are too many variables (collusion with potential scum-buddies, the fact that we don’t know for a fact that there is a Watcher in the game, etc) makes your “plan” so rife with holes it is useless at this stage. The fact that it ended up being useful in another game really isn’t relevant here.Furc wrote:Are you saying that in no way does this confirm that myself and the watcher are working towards helping the town?
I’m not going to just take your word on it regarding whether you did or not. And past performance (your claim about never fake-claiming) does not preclude you doing it here.Furc wrote:I did not fakeclaim, I have not ever fakeclaimed.
Can you see any big potential downside with his plan that could greatly damage Town by having select people on the lynch? His plan is vague at this point but I don’t forsee anything that could be totally crippling to Town given he’s willing to let others chose the lynch target.Muffin wrote:Also somewhat interested to note that some players are seemingly going along with it.
Depsite the logical flaw to your argument that Spyrex can’t be organizing for scum if ALL the scum are on the Death Squad (which Spyrex isn’t BTW) it is a concern to keep in the back of every player’s minds.millar wrote:loving that probably all the scum members could actually be in this death squad, and SpyreX could have organized this in private chat forum hence the new direciton; and muted agreement without reason
Muffin wrote:Ythan wrote: Robo, since I saw you ask, I don't get why Chun Li would have that ability. Did you explain the connection and I just missed it?Did we ever get an answer to this question?MagnaofIllusion wrote:Also - as asked before please answer Ythan's question in regards to why Chun Li would have your claimed powers from a flavor perspective.
My large posts will almost never be narrative style. Enough people dislike large posts that I group comments and questions related to people together. Thus anything I have to say to you will be grouped together for ease of reading. The same for everyone else. FYI.Iec wrote:Your post seemed like it would've been based on a readthrough, but you described events all out-of-order, so I figured you were writing it all from memory. It wasn't clear how you were organizing your thoughts, though, so I asked if there was some kind of narrative. It's not a hugely important point; just might help me read your post a little.
I don’t disagree. Bv310 is a chronic lurker of both normal and active sorts.Kdub wrote:Just because bv is on Spyrex's list doesn't mean I'm going to stop calling him out for active lurking. Seriously, check his recent posting then look at his iso in this game.
No, we are all massive morons with not a brain in our collective skulls! [/sarcasm off]Furc wrote:you all realize we shouldn't no lynch, right?
Let's see what we've got here ..millar13 wrote:since i have no relevance in this Death Squad...wow fun game.
Leave out a town member;
Textbook AtE - check.millar13 wrote:Shotty case will come...although if I get to L-2...i will claim
and maybe you think the errors of your ways
Actually yes you did exactly that. Claiming ignorance of your transgression does not make it magically go away.millar wrote:Textbook AtE?
I don't do that shit or even know what means.
lol
and pretty sure scummy Furcolow claimed already
I'm pretty sure in saying that no scum-team would ever both claim in that fashion lol
so maybe u need to think about that.
Textbook i didn't the textbook
This does summarize your contributions quite nicely.millar wrote:
DUURRRR
Are you really surprised? I mean there has got to be a textbook for lurking / active-lurking. It's in your library, right?bv310 wrote:There's a textbook for AtE? Cooooool.
Anyway, I'm going to reread as soon as possible. Probably by tonight or tomorrow.
Some demonstrable links supporting the bolded assertion or I’ll assume this is you just blowing smoke.Furc wrote:the fact that players like you push on players like me is why this website is terrible for town play.I have a VERY high rate of catching scum.You should take notes.
Wait weren’t you just saying you were the Master Scumhunter? This seems a little bit contradictory … as if you just post by the seat of your ego and don’t bother thinking as you do so.Furc wrote:It's very mild, and I really don't have a great candidate for lynching. Everytime I've really tried to scumhunt to help out in a game it lynches a townie lol
Depending on how manipulative Reaper is being anyone could be scum. That said canonically Samus is pure hero.Furc wrote:Could Samus Aran have been scum? I'm not that familiar with metroidal alignment.
Stop whining that every suspicion about you is a policy lynch. Your play Day 1 sucked and the only reason you aren’t under pressure for the way you hammered is that fact that millar flipped Sarah Kerrigan.Furc wrote:he doesn't need to defend me u and shotty are scum buddies trying to push a policy lynch
For the umpteenth f’ng time you’ve claimed Ability Cop not Cop. Huge difference. And also for the umpteenth f’ng time Proven Ability does not indicate Proven alignment.Furc wrote:yeah, i'm a cop. you're dumb.
Here’s a New flash for you … the game has only been unlocked for 24 hours. Someone not posting right away might be a sign that they perhaps are busy.Furc wrote:bv310, MoI, and Kdub are all possible lurky scum in my opinion.
Any proof you can provide that millar was 100% confirmed scum Muffin? I don’t see any clear Mod indications. As stated above I’m not 100% sold that he wasn’t dumb Town. If that turns out the be the case (he was dumb Town) your statement above is a prime example of scum trying to cash in on an low information lynch for Town credit. Consider yourself being watched by eyes.Muffin wrote:Rereading D1, but I just want to point out real quick that my randomvote was the lynch, and was scum. I am awesome.
Option 2 I think is quite looney, IMO. Option 1 conflicts with the ruleset and thus is out the window.Iec wrote:1. Scum have a Janitor role that works on lynches and made millar flip Kerrigan.
2. There are 2 Kerrigans in this game. The scum one (Furco, because KerriganKerriganTanya is like a total wall-banger) is zerg-version Kerrigan.
No. He said he would and then got quickhammered by Furc.Iec wrote:Millar claimed something?
Based on a later post are you confirming that you got a specific block PM from Reaper?Robo wrote:I was roleblocked last night. And if the roleblocker was town, they made a pretty bad move in my opinion.
It’s unlikely but possible. Ythan had a similar ability as a JOAT in Weeds Mafia. What gives me pause is that millar played so badly I can see him trying a quicklynch on Robo (who at the time was Public Enemy Number 1 for his response to Neto) not realizing how scummy it would look and not cluing in to Robo’s crumbs that he had a raised lynch threshold.Muffin wrote:So if you agree that there's only 1 kerrigan in this game... are you suggesting the zerg rush could be a town-aligned power?
Wrong. Robo claimed to be blocked and made a comment about flavor in a Reaper PM. I wanted confirmation from him.Muffin wrote:That was Ythan, as I noted previously.
So the Mafia get two kills?Robo wrote:Well, its obv a mafia Roleblock so it wouldn't effect them, duh.
Expand on this a bit please. Why do you think the abilities failed simply because you targeted Furc?bv310 wrote:I think it might just be the player we targetted.
First explain exactly what you mean by “was visited, sorta”. This kind of fuzzy disclosure isn’t good.Robo wrote:I also targeted Furc.
I was visited, sorta.
Robo wrote:Well, kinda visited. But whats so wrong about thinking about a global roleblock when multiple people weren't able to use abilities, whats the alternatives? A bunch of roleblockers?
I don’t know where I should begin with these two statements.Robo wrote:Ya, three people lost abilities, I don't understand why a global role block isn't a possibility. What proves it wrong?
Move on to your other points ... did you not read what I wrote. I know what the hell I'm doing. And I'm eager for you to provide some sort of content.Shotty to the Body wrote: What do you hope to gain by outting a vig? I would like this answered before I move to my other points.
Ok that’s fine. Before I proceed I’m going to let everyone have a chance to counter the kill on Neto.Shotty wrote:Fine, next point, I shot Neto.
I’ll disagree with you regarding Neto’s play. He was much less impressive than I expected based on other threads I have seen and his general reputation. I don't see it as out of the ordinary that Shotty may have Vigged Neto.Iec wrote:It never even crossed my mind that Neto's death could've been caused by a vig. Except for the odd interaction with Shotty (which townShotty, incidentally, shouldn't have counted as a scumtell against Neto), Neto's play was good.
Regardless of what Meta says Shotty only appeared on the wagon late in the day when his own lynch was a possibility. Asserting that makes him any sort of clear is just plain poor logic.Furc wrote:I just looked back at the millar wagon, and shotty was on it, so I'm not as adamant about my vote on him anymore. Unless millar was a serial killer, or town, I'm fairly certain shotty isn't mafia unless he is one to stab someone in the back. Does anyone have any information as to whether shotty is capable of this? It seems dumb to me to shoot yourself in the foot like that.
You are hardly confirmed. Are you likely Town? Yes, but certainly not confirmed.Robo wrote:Did Reaper ever say that the scum had pregame talk? I devised a plan to use an ability through another ability to become a Confirmed Townie? Listen, let me explain this to you. I was at L-1. Scum tried to Quicklynch me through the means of an ability. I lived due to my ability. If I had the ability to give other players an increased lynch threshold as scum, then it would be unbalanced. If I could teach my scumbuddies how to get an increased lynch threshold, it would be easier for the scum and harder for the town. I am confirmed, LIVE WITH IT. I'm not basking in my confirmedness.
It is an assumption but a reasonable one in my opinion.Iecerint wrote:Do we know this, or are you assuming?MoI wrote:As Mafia kills are Faction abilities and not role abilities Furc should be able to confirm the exact details of Shotty’s Vig role.
Do you object to my plan? If not lynching Furc is not a good option for today. If so then explain why. You are making this just as personal as Furc. Cut it the hell out now!Robo wrote:Lets lynch this scumbag.
The plan is certainly not a fully functioning flow-chart but problems like this can certainly be handled. If “stealing” abilities is a true power and Furc claims it happened again we have multiple ways to deal with that claim.Iec wrote:But there might be a few more holes upon reflection (e.g. what if Fur's ability is "stolen" again)?
Town has got to have some sort of information roles, especially in a partial reveal on death game. If you are of the belief the Furc isn’t Town as an Ability Cop (and if he is scum this logic applies regardless of whether he has that skill or not) then somewhere out there someone else can assist us in some way.Muffin wrote:If we have no watcher/tracker types (maybe they're dead or something) we have no way of confirming this beyond taking Furc's word for it. But it's a better plan than I've got, so I will support this.
No, if we let you live you are not going to be checking Robo. Here’s the deal Furc – I have some serious doubts about your alignment. The amount of points made against you by multiple sources that you have not responded to is staggering. You have zero credibility. If you expect the playerbase to look past your scummy play you need to be willing to commit to a plan that Town agrees to (assuming that we come to a concensus). Points you make here that make you look even worse -Furc wrote:Shotty's play is ever increasingly town to me. Couple that with the fact that many good town-aligned power roles are relatively inactive and hush-hush on day one, and i'm ready to straight up believe his claim. How about, instead of me checking him, I check robo since he has claimed abilities, too? Shotty can call his shot on someone, and then we get a lot more information than before (a dead player, confirmation that I am a rolecop [assuming i'm not a scumbuddy with robo, in which case, I would have fucking replaced out], robocopter's powers, and the knowledge that shotty can kill). I like that idea a lot more than the one proposed by MoI, but I guess i'm just seeking a reason to lynch robo because I don't like him
At this point I haven’t seen anything I consider out of the ordinary for Ythan. I’ve seen his argumentative style up close and personal in Weeds Mafia. If someone wants to make a case based on voting / not voting / other information I’ll entertain it as I do all information. Saying he is detracting ‘our play’ as town isn’t a valid lynch reason. Especially since he isn’t ‘detracting’ my play.Furc wrote:What do you all think about an Ythan lynch? His negativity is really detracting our play as a town
Points to Post 911 right at the top.Robocopter87 wrote:I amsonot hammering.
You lost all credibility to your reads when you went on a Day 1 roll indicating you would NOT vote for Miller. Sorry but advocating against a lynch likelyscum who many found scummy tends to do that in light of the flip.Robocopter87 wrote:Wow, YThan is likesotown and Furc is likesoobv scum. Can't we lynch scumfurc instead of townythan?
Follow-up on this thought Ythan. Re-read his opening post from today. He lambasts Furc for hammering millar, who the consensus opinion says is scum with his Kerrigan flip. Read the rest of his posts. The more I see crap postings from him and his absolute tunneling on Furc (who is horrible but due to my plan I don’t want to see lynched today) without any other sorts of input the more I think he’s scum. And it is possible he ran a gambit with millar to 'confirm' himself.Ythan wrote:Robo I think you're scum.
I suppose she could be the Beautiful, but Peach is sort of a lame choice given all the other possible characters out there.Muffin wrote:I don't think that really fits with the flavour. How does Peach fit the "brave" part? All she does is get kidnapped by a lizard.
This is his only run MS game or mini so I don’t know if any offsite games are going to provide us with anything useful from that standpoint.Iec wrote:Does anyone have meta on mod-RC minis? Does he give fakeclaims?
Who is this they you are talking about? The Wiki? If so stop posting Wiki information as if it's the Bible. A Beloved claiming immediately is just the same as a Miller -- there is debate about the wisdom in either case.Robocopter87 wrote:We don't lose a day if the Beloved Princess is NK'ed. But, they do say that the BP should claim ASAP in the beginning.
My question to you in regards to your back and forth with Muffin is this –Ythan wrote:I think that your poor attempt to do so is. With every post your push against me gets less and less townish.
The gaping black hole in your logic is the assumption that scum don’t have Day-talk. With that possibility your chain of logic that Robo couldn’t have easily planned the execution with millar is broken.Iec wrote:It takes a lot of suspension of disbelief for me to see Robo as scum. We know he wasn't Kerrigan (unless there are two Kerrigans and millar was town, but that's loony), so he would've had to have planned that pre-game. If I had that ability as scum, I wouldn've used to to quicklynch town as soon as possible, ideally after a town-on-town interaction. Robo is probably town.
I find it highly unlikely there is 3 total Non-Town left. In a Mini a 4 person Mafia team is a very unbalanced set-up and as such can be thrown out for consideration.Muffin wrote:Is there an upperbound on the number of scum left in the game? Can we safely assume there are no more than 3 scum left (either 3 scum or 2 scum + 1sk as a maximum)?
It’s statements like this that make everyone think you are scum. This statement says NOTHING about what you believe regarding whether I am Town or Scum. You aren’t taking a position but are just staying active without adding content.Furc wrote:i took a good look at you while mulling over ythan's claim, and i have to say that if you are scum you have nuts.
Yeah. all these request should be for Nights 2 and 3.MagnaofIllusion wrote:I've got a rather large info dump to share but I want to see some information first -
1. Shotty - Please indicate your targets Night 3 and Night 4.
2. Furc - Please indicate your targets Night 3 and Night 4 (if both are valid). Please disclose the exact name of your ability (ie what you PM to RC) and any results.
3. Muffin - Please indicate your targets Night 3 and Night 4 and any results you got.
Seriously you are an idiot. You see no differences? Like the fact that when Scum in Harry Potter I argued against a Beloved Princess claim and voted to lynch FG while here I didn’t argue against Ythan’s claim and never voted for him?Furc wrote:vote: MoI I see no difference between this game and the game I played with you as scum, so you are probably scum
Here's how Neto's power was presented to me.Iecerint wrote:MoI, I'm a little confused about your Neto claim. If Neto protected SX, why did he die N1?
Or that Shotty is Mafia that went for the 'cleared by the non-Mafia kill' gambit I threw down. Honestly that was my hope when I was calling for the Vig to claim Neto's kill. Given what I knew at the time it was within reason that my pushing for Neto being the Vig kill would embolden scum to fake claim Vig if that was the actual Mafia kill. With Spyrex being an obvious target I couldn't be certain but was willing to see where things fell.Iecerint wrote:Hmm. That fits if "destroyed" is a generic death flavor. It creates a little bit of a mystery with regard to the D1 mafia kill itself, though. We'd have to believe that scum redundantly targeted SX, or that a separate protector stopped the scumkill.
Let’s discuss this a little bit further.Iec wrote:I figure this is worth claiming because MoI is banking on no other protective role being present, and he is incorrect. Also, the fact that two protective roles exist makes it somewhat less likely that there is only one kill in play.
Why?Iec wrote:Waiting for MoI to come back.
In 1116 you quote a full post by Kdub that directly mentions three living players. Who is Kdub defending? Do you feel Kdub’s defense is scummy?Furc wrote:I feel that if anything, his claim is fake, and he is mafia. I disagree with you. You are just trying to defend him.
PRO TIP – you getting lynched is not a policy lynch. A policy lynch is one made solely on past performance. You get lynched because you play in a scummy way. Stop crying policy lynch when players vote for you. You look like a child when you do so.Furc wrote:i get policy lynched in a lot of the games i'm in, even once in mylo or w/e
Of being Mafia?Furc wrote:I am leaning towards muffin, to be honest.
I disagree strongly with this statement for the following reasons –bv310 wrote:SK. I doubt Mafia would try to get themselves confirmed as Vig in the way Shotty did.
MoI wrote:@Shotty –
1. Why did you attempt to kill Muffin, who was a claimed Cop, Night 2 when the potential flaw in his scans was not yet known?
2. Are you stating you don’t have a secondary ability when you say you did nothing N3?
MoI wrote:@Furc – Who did you target on N2 when you were blocked?
All I have on that realm is speculation myself, so waiting around for me isn’t the best option IMO. That said I think everyone may have missed my request for my last post.Iec wrote:4. You said you were going to elaborate on roleblocker possibilities after you got back, so I was waiting for whatever it was you were going to give us before I speculated any further.
That said baring some further consideration I’m going back to the idea that a Mass-Claim of role Names at this point is warranted. Will elaborate if necessary.MoI wrote:Before we go any further anyone who has been Roleblocked via being visited by a randy little slut at Night should claim so ASAP.
Not that I can see in Shotty’s (limited) ISO. If you can see a RB claim please point it out to me.Iec wrote:6. I thought Shotty claimed RB'd? It's a funny target for a vig, anyway, though.
This sort of increadibly soft suspicion doesn’t sit well with me. I’d like to see you a list of concrete opinions on who is scum out of you ASAP Iec.Iec wrote:Kdub makes me uncomfortable given the flips so far, but I am receptive to a Shotty lynch.
In light of what has transpired I’d like for you to revisit this post from Day 1. Do you still think Furc is more likely to be Town?Kdub wrote:Magna:
Proven ability does not equal proven alignment, but I think an investigative role like the one Furcolow is claiming is more likely to be town. In the event that Furcolow is scum, we can ask him to share his results so that the town knows who he's been targeting and what results he's been getting. He can't really lie unless he fakes a result on one of his partners, but that has its own risks.
Saying someone sounds squirmy is not scum-hunting.Furc wrote:@ kdub you sound squirmy to me
@ muffin what did you do the last 2 nights?
Stop asking questions. The answers are plainly evident in the post you quoted. The MOD told Muffin he was wrong about Robocopter. Thus Muffin feels his alignment is in question.Furc wrote:When you say your sanity is in question, what do you mean? Did MoI come up as scum to your rolecheck?
I want you to replace because you are the perfect example of a Village Idiot. I really am not worried about your vote because quite frankly I don’t think you could piece together a logical, cogent argument to save your life.Furc wrote:of course you want me to replace out, because i'm indicating that your ability claims show that you are fakeclaiming and are mafia. i'm staying, and my vote is staying.
Having re-read Day 1 I think Kdub’s push on millar is much more credible than Furc’s. Go back and see what you think. Furc’s looks very much like bussing when it came down to himself or millar.Iec wrote:I don't personally recall Kdub pushing for millar's lynch very strongly. Will need to reread early Kdub in a bit to determine whether I'm OK with his version of events.
My thinking runs contrary – I think the nature of his claim (Ability Cop), confirmed or not, looks much more like a Scum ability when Muffin’s ability as a normal cop is factored in.Kdub wrote:So to answer your question, I think he is less likely to be town that I thought he was yesterday, but not because of his claimed ability.
Well for the reasons I didn’t want to directly bring up but others did (thanks bv ) I doubt there are scum fake-claims.Kdub wrote:Not sure what the benefit of a name claim would be unless there is reason to believe scum don't have safeclaims. I wouldn't be opposed if you had some reason to think otherwise though, and you/Muffin should definitely choose the claim order if that's what we do.
I have no issues with this just wanted to place you, who I think is Confirmed Town, at the bottom.Muffin wrote:Yes, I know my name is at the end but I've already given my class name so I didn't think it was a problem to jump the queue if you will.
Furc wrote:why don't you guys replace out? i'm pretty happy being confirmed town
to me, the people who want me to replace out are likely scum, especially considering that thief claim.
The lulz they are in full force. You had little to do with catching millar. You briefly voted for him for ‘bad grammer’ in your tour-de-force of voting almost everyone Day 1. Heck, you even Confirm voted Neto at one point. Heck at ISO 41 you suggested lynching Robo to check millar’s alignment. How stupid is that?Furc wrote:i feel like my act of nabbing the only scum so far implies im town
On that end I find it somewhat interesting that he claimed 2-shot while the Full Cop has not claimed any restrictions. But given my ability to Steal was 2-shot it's not completely out of the realm of possibilities.Iecerint wrote:He's also an ability Cop that has yet to (publicly) produce results.
Do those sorts of things happen to Chun Li in the flavor? I dunno much about SF lore.