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"Sorry we're late to the party! We would've been here faster if there weren't so many of yourgoonsin the way..."
Also, it's sad when I make a post saying I'll need time to get my thoughts, and eight hours later when I do have something no one's posted...
Somebody or other... wrote:Vote: SaintKerrigan, let's lynch him before he's back from V/LA. That'll put the fear of God into him.
Why don't you think that?LlamaFluff wrote:Im pretty sure the mod is not a player in this game
Elaborate?Nikanor wrote:You're lying to me right now dammit.
Mod/Nikanor/LlamaFluff interactions made me ROFL so damn hard. This is gonna be a hell of a game!
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I don't like SP's reasoning for the Nik vote, but I like RedCoytote's piggybacking on it even less.
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Invalid. This vote is silly.
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Who says the mod wouldn't have a vote? This is a bastard game, after all.LlamaFluff wrote:I just dont think mod is going to be a player in the game, the "12 votes in play" backs that up. I think there may be a decent chance that our player 12 is a voice of the mod player, but will get to that later if we have to.ALMOST ALWAYS BUSY 9-6 CST WEEKDAYS-
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Meh, personally I'd think the mod would himself be the ??? player, but since it's pure speculation at this point, I guess it doesn't matter. I was mostly trying to see if you had hard intel on whether or not the mod was in the game, and it definitely seems like you don't.ALMOST ALWAYS BUSY 9-6 CST WEEKDAYS-
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First: you never actually addressed the reason for my vote, opting to downgrade it as "assuming your vote is icky," which makes it sound like my vote had little thought to it.RedCoyote wrote:Are you implying that I am belittling your suspicions? I'm not intending to do so, to devalue them with a lesser adjective so to speak (if this isn't what your implying, then please clarify). You may substitute icky for the word "bad", "malicious", or whatever else. My point was that, rather than attempt to press me on my opinion, you assumed that I was scummy for agreeing with SP. Isn't that right?
Second: you then imply that "agreeing with SP" is a suboptimal reason for voting you. Considering that piggybacking on SP's reasoning, which I disagreed with to begin with, was your only reason for voting Nikanor, why shouldn't I be wary of scum trying to attach themselves to an easy case?
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Nooooooo I cannot escape Fate!SpyreX wrote:Response: Fate
Response: Ellibereth
Amished feels town to me. This is why.
My gut's telling me that at least one of the Amished attackers is scum. Magnus seems to be sitting on the side and pushing every once in a while for the sake of pushing. UK seems more honest with her responses (aka they jive more with me as town).
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Forgot Spyrex was voting Amished too. My mind doesn't know what the hell to make of Spyrex, but he seems to have been fairly quiet, although he did start the Amished wagon. Going neutral for now.
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@ UK: Voted SPS for the dayprotect stuff. Pretty similar to what Amished got accused of doing.
@ Magnus: That excuses him how? And that makes you call Amished scum and RC not why?
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@ Magnus: Amished's response seems similar to mine in that game, which is extreme frustration with a bullshit case (I went too far with it though )
@ Spyrex: Why can't my defense of Amished be town? Also: You mention nothing of me (as far as I can recall or see) before SP asks you why my opinion on you is so bad, but when he does, you provide an answer. Did I miss something here?
@ SP: *flips the finger at your question*
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@ SP: Why? And why was it strong enough to merit a vote?
@ Magnus: I don't see why Amished's responses make him scum. To me he looks like a townie that's frustrated with votes thrown his way over something he thought was perfectly innocuous (hence why I linked that game, because the same thing happened there).ALMOST ALWAYS BUSY 9-6 CST WEEKDAYS-
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Alpha: Are you the moderator of this game?
Moderator (Noun): someone who presides over a forum or debate.
If I'm not mistaken I'm currently doing so, in which case the answer is "Yes."
Alternatively:
Moderator (Noun): someone who regulates and/or ensures normality through a medium.
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@ SP: Missing information is not always a scumtell. Why does me not knowing what to make of Spy make me scummy? (I noted points of interest to me, but both of them are things that can be somewhat townish or somewhat scummy. Without more solid modifiers, I gave a neutral read.) Who said I thought Spy was town for "starting" the wagon?
Why do you keep changing the points against me every time I question them?
@ RC: Because I'm more suspicious of the fools that follow the wagon than the fool that started it. SP had bad reasoning, and you pretty much went "/agrees with everything, vote" with nothing original to contribute. Why can't this be scum being lazy and piggybacking off of someone else's argument?
Also, Amished hop is /fail.
You need to post enough, and give enough content in the posts, to make me think you aren't trying to activelurk. (And I'm not telling you exactly what I think is acceptable. That would be anti-town of me.)
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(After I defend Amished)SocioPath wrote:I don't [keep changing the points against you].
SocioPath wrote:Well, SK is scum with ED. That much is obvious.SaintKerrigan wrote:SP is still being anti-town. Since when does defending another player automatically make someone scum?SocioPath wrote:It doesn't.
Your handling of such does though.SaintKerrigan wrote:Why is my handing of the defense of Amished scummy?SocioPath wrote:Your handling of Spy is scummy.SaintKerrigan wrote:@ SP: Why? And why was it strong enough to merit a vote?SocioPath wrote:Magnus_Orion wrote:I believe SP is refering to how you
1. judged spyreX only in relation to the amished wagon as neutral
2. judged spyreX as neutral for doing both of the things your other two suspects had to some degree done.
However, that's just my impression on the matter.
Even if that is not what SP is referring to, care to explain?SaintKerrigan wrote:@ Magnus: I'm not sure where to put Spyrex at the moment, so he's going into my neutral category. I just commented on Spyrex because I had been commenting about the other Amished voters, and forgot Spyrex was voting him as well.SocioPath wrote:And this part:
PROTIP: He didn't.SaintKerrigan wrote:although he did start the Amished wagon.SaintKerrigan wrote:@ SP: Ok, I goofed and missed your vote. Why does this make me scum?SocioPath wrote:Individually, it doesn't.
But your post was a trainwreck of scum filled bags of scummy scum.SaintKerrigan wrote:@ SP: Why?SocioPath being a smartass wrote:Why what.SaintKerrigan wrote:
Why? (for dummies!)SocioPath wrote:But your post was a trainwreck of scum filled bags of scummy scum.SocioPath wrote:
Ok, you goofed and missed my vote.SaintKerrigan wrote:@ SP: Ok, I goofed and missed your vote. Why does this make me scum?
No big deal.
SaintKerrigan wrote:Forgot Spyrex was voting Amished too.My mind doesn't know what the hell to make of Spyrex, but he seems to have been fairly quiet,although he did start the Amished wagon.Going neutral for now.
Also, to everyone jumping on Amished for what he did, why aren't you giving RedCoyote the same treatment?This: Attacks people for the wagon, yet doesn't even know who is on it.
This: Knows what to make of everyone else on the wagon though, but not Spy.
This:SaintKerrigan wrote:Leaving my vote on RC because he's gone suspiciously quiet as of late (plus my previous grievances still stand).This: Spy started the wagon that SK is attacking people for being on it.
This: But all this concludes to Spy just being neutral.
: "Why X not Y".This
And SK doesn't think Spy not starting the wagon is a big deal, despite that was listed in the reasons for SK's opinion on Spy.SaintKerrigan wrote:@ SP: Missing information is not always a scumtell. Why does me not knowing what to make of Spy make me scummy? (I noted points of interest to me, but both of them are things that can be somewhat townish or somewhat scummy. Without more solid modifiers, I gave a neutral read.) Who said I thought Spy was town for "starting" the wagon?
You didn't even address the other part of my explanation regarding Spy, instead going after the very last part. Btw, you didn't even answer the question: Where did I say Spyrex was town for "starting" the Amished wagon?SocioPath wrote:Yes, call out the word 'town', not the reasoning behind such.
Way to refute THAT statement.
So why are any of the things I've said more likely to make me scum than Amished?SocioPath wrote:I think I am going to take the heat off ED for now, because SK is actually even more likely to be scum.
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I have answered all of SP's questions that I'm aware, and I think the argument he's bringing up is crap in the first place. People are also not giving much attention to RedCoyote as I think he should be getting due to his lack of posting, again for reasons I cannot fathom. Pardon me for thinking there is a certain amount of WTF-ness flying around right now.ALMOST ALWAYS BUSY 9-6 CST WEEKDAYS-
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No. I just haven't been able to get a solid read one way or the other, so I'm keeping him neutral. The other two mentioned people did things in a way I considered much more scummy than what Spyrex did.Magnus_Orion wrote:This makes it seem like spyreX is receiving special treatment from you. Is he? if so, why? If not, why not?
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If I actually knew the answer to that, wouldn't I have told you by now?Magnus_Orion wrote:Why haven't you been able to get a solid read?
Magnus_Orion wrote:The issue at hand here is "why doesn't it affect your read?" Once again, you fail to address this.
Note to Magnus: Please learn to read the thread before making accusations about me that aren't true. Thank you.SaintKerrigan wrote:(I noted points of interest to me, but both of them are things that can be somewhat townish or somewhat scummy. Without more solid modifiers, I gave a neutral read.)
Seriously, first the rather suspicious behavior you employ on the Amished wagon (a target of opportunity), now assaulting me over points that don't actually exist.
Seems like an FoS wasn't enough.
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@ Magnus:
To even further clarify: I believe I already stated that I'm having a hell of a time reading Spyrex, which is a major reason why he's in my neutral category. If there was something I'd read that would've tilted the scales significantly one way or the other, I would not have made him a neutral. It's something that seems rather obvious to me, at least given the number of times I've had to explain it.
"Accusation" might've been too strong a word, but nothing else came to mind at the time. I was also fairly ticked off that you keep saying I'm not answering that question, when I haveMagnus_Orion wrote:accusation? I was saying you were failing to address the issue at hand twice in that post.alreadyanswered it (and even quoted the answer I gave).
I already answered both of the questions you brought up, which makes it seem like to me that this isn't genuine scumhunting, but going after a target of opportunity. The fact that I feel you were also doing this to Amished gives me more than a pause, and since a FoS didn't seem to convey my displeasure with your behavior, I decided to switch to a vote.Magnus_Orion wrote:What points don't exist?
Will you at least finish answering my questions so you don't come off as though you panicked and voted me because you couldn't?
@ LlamaFluff: You stated that you agreed with the SPS wagon more than the Amished wagon, and say RC just happened to not be active at the right time, but then you voted for RC in the same post, without any reasoning I could see. You did later post some questions for RC, but why did you vote for him in that earlier post?
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So I read Nik in ISO, and he needs some votes. He has very little content production, and he advocated my wagon without reason (before being asked for it).
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Mulling over Spyrex: I feel something's wrong about Spyrex, but I can't find compelling evidence to back my suspicions. I presented my read as a neutral and gave counterbalancing points for it because I thought just saying I felt Spyrex was bad but I didn't know why would be worse. If that looks like trying to avoid suspicion, you're right. I maintain that this is often how I play, because for some reason I naturally tend to look suspicious. I also expect people to say this is bullshit and push for my lynch even harder. They'll likely also say that this is extreme WIFOM attempting to derail the wagon on me. I say either believe me or don't.
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Because I got sick of defending something that was already putting me under suspicion and wasn't what I truly felt anyway, so I decided I might as well admit what I really felt. The point was to try and avoid suspicion, and I fucked up royally.Magnus_Orion wrote:Why did you change your position from before?
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@ RC: Wait a minute. You keep saying my behavior is "uncharacteristic" and not like my town play. The only game I recall playing with you is the Fire and Ice game in which I was scum. What info source are you drawing from to say my behavior in this game doesn't match up with my town play and is uncharacteristic of me?ALMOST ALWAYS BUSY 9-6 CST WEEKDAYS-
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@ RC: Protip: Don't try to outguess me. I will beat you every single time. >_>
So far the only thing I'm sure of in this game is that Socio is town. That level of anti-townness does not come from scum. Ever. Unless they're pukin' plebes, which Socio is not.
Nik's lurking is suspect and matches my scum meta on him. Plus his reasoning for saying he'd join my wagon looks like opportunism.
Amished still seems town.
Spyrex's jumping on wagons of oppportunity (Amished, me) are part of the reason why I'm getting scumvibes from him, I think. There is disturbingly little stuff I can glean from his posts.
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Yeah, I'm claiming Jester. Socio can be lynched today if you guys lynch me on Day 2.
Ok?
(Just in case someone gets their panties in a wad, I'm joking here.)
Mostly I'm saying that my intentions are so far removed from the norm that I doubt people will be able to comprehend them. >_>
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Not going to be on Mafiascum much today for RL reasons. Just thought you ought to know.
(Posting this in all my games.)
Preview Edit: Oh, and RC, the only bad thing I can think of is game-ending jester, and I agree with Amished's reasoning above for why that likely isn't in the game. If he is a jester, might as well get him out of the way now. If he's telling the truth, more power to us.ALMOST ALWAYS BUSY 9-6 CST WEEKDAYS-
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SaintKerrigan Brings Out The Flavour
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Yay StarCraft reference!
What starcraft reference?
Yay dead Serial Killer!
Yay free gifts!
Also, claim time: I'm Jesus Christ, town jester*. If I get lynched I self-resurrect three days later and get co-mod powers with my father, Sykedoc. Everyone who believes in me shall instantly win the game. That includes the mafia, third party roles, and the fourth party. So let's allcrucifylynch me* and achieve a happily ever after!
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