Mini 927: Alabama Correctional Facility - OVER

[farside22]

So this is an interesting machanic that needs some thinking to it.

I noticed this in today's rule:

at which time, player’s final place in the order will be determined by their average placement.

That means the person in last is not necessarily the person who is eliminated but the person who is pushed to the bottom the most is lynched.
I need to think on this a bit.

You may all be petty criminals, but do not use profanity under penalty of being modkilled.

What the (bleep) kind of prison is this. You (bleep) (bleep).

[farside22]

Can we at least try to keep the line order in tact when shoving to confuse people less?

UncertainKitten 1
Minineko 2
Ellibereth 3
Jahudo 4
SpyreX 5
Max 6
farside22 7
HackerHuck 8
Super Awesome Mega Pimp! 9
Cobalt 10
pwnman 11
Grimmy 12

[farside22]

trying to not get pushed to the back here.

Shove:
UncertainKitten 9
Minineko 7
Ellibereth 3
Jahudo 11
SpyreX 5
Max 4
farside22 1
HackerHuck 8
Super Awesome Mega Pimp! 2
Cobalt 10
pwnman 6
Grimmy 12

[farside22]

In that case I don't think random shoving is a good idea. Why risk messing up the averages later on when we decide who to lynch?

I suggested this earlier and the shoving match just continued anyways.

[farside22]

Yea its just like complicated voting. Random shoving doesn't hurt anything."

This is pretty wrong. Unless we end up bunching up people together, it gets progressively harder to move people up or down the list the more we do it.

This ^ and in a 2 week time we need to get most people to agree with the person who needs to be pushed down to the point of lynch.

[farside22]

Spyrex math hurts my head. I'm just going by what the mod says especially has spyrex just posted a list that numbers are incorrect.

[farside22]

Is anyone going to comment or will we continue this random shoving for 1st place?

UncertainKitten - 3
Minineko - 12
Ellibereth - 6
Jahudo - 5
SpyreX - 4
Max - 7
farside22 - 1
HackerHuck - 9
Super Awesome Mega Pimp! - 11
Cobalt - 10
pwnman - 8
Grimmy - 2

[farside22]

Most people are just shoving and think random shoving is the way to go.
Others are messing up the order of the numbers and causing confusion in the game.

[farside22]

I'm going to admit this shoving mechanic is going to screw up my scumhunting something fierce. I have 12 repeatable data points per "voting" post to assess. I can't really calculate that much, so I can't do any real bandwagon analysis. I am basically completely lost unless people start TALKING and explaining their shoves. That said, my first shove was random.

I shoved because I was almost at the bottom. So yeah survival instict kicked in.
Trying to analysis this day will be a bitch. No one wants to be at the bottom scum or town. This is why I wanted discussion on the best way to figure things out if we can reach a consensis on who we think is the scummiest everyone piles to push that person down to the bottom.
I think there should be a vote count with votes to help with analysis.

[farside22]

Just to be clear, the higher the number, the closer one is to the end of the line and possible death, right?

basically.

I realized also this shoving is meant to have those that are active shoving to stay on top.
I don't know why people think random shoving is a good idea at all.

FOS: spreyx and Super Awesome Mega Pimp

for thinking it is.
All people have to do is be active to keep from going to the bottom and being lynched today.
I have about 3 people misleading the numbers of where people are on the list.

Do not go by what you think the average is people stay the line in order as is. It is not that difficult to copy the person above you and move each player down a number.

[farside22]

And, really, this is different than most games how?

Seriously?
Dude unless you are not reading this game it is the person with the lowest average that will be lynched today. Not the person with the most votes so if the scum team is an active bunch that has nothing to do better in their lives but to keep themselves from having their average at the bottom the likelyhood of getting scum to the buttom is going to be hard.

[farside22]

Spy is right about the average system, and I don't understand farside's position unless she just doesn't understand the system. The only benefit I see is she doesn't want to show her cards until the end of the day, which seems pretty scummy.

I don't get it and spreyx chart with no names didn't help me in the least.

If someone is showing as the lowest average that we don't want lynched? Change your order and push them up. If others dont, you can analyze the bandwagon if the flip is town.

You can shove someone else in the game to the top? I didn't see that. You sure?

[farside22]

shove count note:
colbolt shoved once
eli shoved twice
farside shoved twice
grimmy shoved twice? (his numbers on one post didnt' have a domino effect so I don't know if it counted)
Hacker shoved 0 times
Jahudo shoved once
max shoved once
Minineko shoved once
pwnman shoved twice
spyrex shoved once
Super Awesome Mega Pimp! shoved twice
uncertainkitty shoved once.
Just want to keep a track of those shoving and how many times right now.

[farside22]

Que?

Just so I know how many times a player shoved, idk it may help it may not since I really don't get the averages and how they work maybe seeing how often a person shoves might allude to scum.

[farside22]

Currently I like SAMP's comments this post. Spreyx although I don't get the numbers seems to be ontop of things.
Max shoving at this moment saying he is busy seems suspicious on page 3 to me.

This is my current read on players at this time.

[farside22]

I thought the shoving was like domino's where you put yourself first and everyone just goes down the list in the number order they were in.

[farside22]

Wait, so we have to assign a position to every player every time? We can't just shove one person?

No. It's like a domino....

[farside22]

farside is an interesting read in ISO 14, she only has reads on two players? Really?

Everyone I didn't mention I don't have a read on as town or scum in any way. Grimmy is one person who acts a bit odd no matter his alignment. colbalt is a bit quiet. HH seems as lost as I do with the mechanic's. Eli is most of the time quiet in games accept the occasional game he gets chatty. kitty little to no read. Minineko is nonexistent.

[farside22]

only a bit odd?
verily, I must be slipping in my old age.

I was told by many that I'm too blunt for my own good so I work on saying things the nicest way possible.

[farside22]

Farside...You know I get chatty a lot, at least more than a little...
Max and Cobalt = Town.

There is 2 games I saw you noncommental and 2 games I saw you as chatty. 1 game currently going you are not very chatty. 1 is going we are both dead not chatty. 2 game very chatty 1 you were town the other is currently ongoing.
In short you are hard to read for me as town because you can be chatty or closed mouth and I can't get much of a town or scum read on you because of it.

[farside22]

Like in a real game I'm voting not based on any positions but based on who I think is scum. I think tactically voting could be considered a scum tell in this period.

What do you mean by tactically voting?

my biggest problem is people are, according to what I read from DGB, shove themselves to the front causing a domino effect so people giving everyone a different number from the last time that doesn't match is confusing me.

[farside22]

LOL as soon as eli makes a post about the 2 lurkers they show.

I think uncertainkitty may be scum. I never saw her confused or quiet before like this as town.
colbalt not shoving is either a scum gambit hoping to look town or is town just not offering anything. I really would like more then just one liners from him.

[farside22]

It still probably counts as a quote.

Oddly enough, there's nothing in the rules about quoting your PM. Maybe it's not fail?

He's still scummy as hell.
And he calls that "proof" he's town.

vote: Eli

Anyone who looked at pwnman's comment with his claim and calling it scum doesn't have the same PM me thinks.

[farside22]

It still probably counts as a quote.

Oddly enough, there's nothing in the rules about quoting your PM. Maybe it's not fail?

He's still scummy as hell.
And he calls that "proof" he's town.

vote: Eli

Anyone who looked at pwnman's comment with his claim and calling it scum doesn't have the same PM me thinks.

Oh, it's certainly not proof he's town. I'm assuming DGB gave falseclaims to the scum. And "proving you are town" with a role PM quote does feel desperate.

So assuming means pwnman is scum.
Which includes things my own PM stated?
That's a lot of assumption. Sure DGB said not to think much of the flavor text but that assumption seems scum motivated to me.

[farside22]

I didn't copy, but I didn't realize it was that close to someone else's, but it happened a shrt while before I shoved so...

Did everyone see this? Pwnman is claiming he DID NOT COPY JAHUDO when it's A BLATANT COPY.

Where did Jahudo claim?

[farside22]

Ah thanks for that spyrex I didn't understand what the paroting was about.

unvote:
vote: pwnman

[farside22]

Well I guess Y'all will just lynch me for claiming.

Why would you copy what another player said about players in the game?

[farside22]

Shove
1. UncertainKitten 11
2. Minineko 9
3. Ellibereth 6
4. Jahudo 4
5. SpyreX 3
6. Max 2
7. farside22 1
8. HackerHuck 11
9. Super Awesome Mega Pimp! 9
10. Cobalt 8
12. Grimmy 5

I'm going back to uncertain kitten who was flipping out when pwn quoted his pm there and saying she assumed scum was giving a safe claim.

[farside22]

Excuse me if I assumed someone who looks incredibly desperate to prove they are town was scum. You know, since scum totally don't want to actually seem town, ne?

I'd almost say that makes you scummy for ignoring that aspect.

Also, why two 11s, and why is Ellibereth, who came to the same conclusion, not number 10?

Your reasoning becomes less and less sensical given your shove order.

No you assumed scum was given a claim by this statement

Oh, it's certainly not proof he's town. I'm assuming DGB gave falseclaims to the scum. And "proving you are town" with a role PM quote does feel desperate.

I made an error with posting number hacker would be towards the back of the line but you would be at the end.
You also said the following:

You just quoted your Role PM, didn't you?

How would you know it was quoted? Then go and say that scum was given a safe claim after the fact?

[farside22]

DGB didn't have it in her rules but I know most people have no mod quoting as a general rule.
Second there are very few times I give fake claims to the mafia. I usually have a generatic town sample pm so the scum know what the win condition is.
Finally I reconized a few things in pwnman's post from his claim that mine have.
You seemed to react like you didn't reconize it as part of your own PM hence my scum read on you.

[farside22]

eli said he saw max town do to the confusion he had........
i need to think but thanks kitten you got me thinking about some early play.

[farside22]

now im less certain about farside. how does the copying imply scum?

It was pretty blantant copying in my view and I know scum to follow others logic and make comments that are almost exactly like those who stated the same thing before.

[farside22]

UncertainKitten 5
Minineko 6
Ellibereth 3
Jahudo 4
SpyreX 8
Max 2
farside22 1
HackerHuck 11
Super Awesome Mega Pimp! 7
Cobalt 10
Grimmy 9

Kitten made a brillant obvservation for me so that brought her back up but I don't know if she's doing enough scum hunting to warrent a town feel. I put her closer to the top because of a few people give me more scum vibes.
cobalt all but nonexsistant.
grimmy is the same. Those not contributing to the conversation that just occured and lurking about may be confused scum.
spryrex moved up my scum list do to his reaction to my obseravtion on players reaction to pwnman's claim
Hacker - defending a now flipped town player saying he didn't see it scummy without reason. Although the post about pwnman where he blantly copies another player would put most players on read alert for scummy, lazy, scum.

[farside22]

hm, I seem to have attracted a lot of 11s but not a lot of cases, how interesting

How about lack of scum hunting, posting one liners, not involved in the game and actively lurking.

[farside22]

colbalts last shove list

Shove:
UncertainKitten 2
Minineko 10
Ellibereth 3
Jahudo 6
SpyreX 4
Max 7
farside22 5
HackerHuck 8
Super Awesome Mega Pimp! 11
Cobalt 1
pwnman 12
Grimmy 9

pwnman modkilled was town soo...........

[farside22]

Cobalt's so obvtown to me it hurts. How many of you guys know his meta?

I see him as usually one liners with the ability to scum hunt in the game.
Right now I don't see him really doing much of scum hunting but lots of one liners with no context.
IE: no vote, no push for voting, no switching of his vote. All things I relate to colbalt town.

[farside22]

Wait a skosh.

Farside: Are you using the fact Cobalt said he's been voting for scum and slappywag there was modkilled and town as a function of him bein up to no good?

Really?

He said he was voting for scum. I showed the post where he shoved and pwnman was at the #12 spot so how is he voting for scum in that post.

[farside22]

His flip being town doesn't change one iota that he was scummy as all getout.

pwnman has since flipped town so asking colbalt who he finds scummy without a real answer sure as shit is scummy.

[farside22]

protip: "I am voting for scum" is present tense

Where?

[farside22]

NOT CONTENT
I didn't recognize farside for several seconds. Old avatar better.

I lost a bet. It's only there for 2 weeks. I do like it a bit it makes me laugh.

[farside22]

He is being vague, very vague and you think this is town spryex?

[farside22]

1. UncertainKitten 6
2. Minineko 5
3. Ellibereth 3
4. Jahudo 4
5. SpyreX 10
6. Max 2
7. farside22 1
8. HackerHuck 9
9. Super Awesome Mega Pimp! 7
10. Cobalt 11
12. Grimmy 8

So far the defending from spyrex on cobalt without reasoning has increased my scum detector on him even more.

[farside22]

Town with a hat on? No.

It sure has hell isn't some kinda awesome scum dance, though. I'd much prefer to see a Hacker lynch after those shenanigans around pwn.

Why did you give Colbalt a 2 then?

[farside22]

lurkerhuck needs lynched

Hey pot I just heard something.. no seriously pot you know what I heard?

kettle and you are the same.

[farside22]

The back-to-back exact same lynch lists creep me out.

I reserve the right to call out the biggest I told you so if Cobalt flips town, FYI.

Why do you believe Cobalt is town?

[farside22]

Just a solid vibe + how quickly and viciously everyone wants him to go the way of the dodo. More the second than the first - watching this build on itself gets my ire up.

I don't find town ignoring a question being asked and not being clear on their point. I don't believe in guessing games or assumptions I have to make based on a player being vague. None of this = town.

[farside22]

Thank you colbalt for being more clear.
Now does this in your mind clear spryex as scum? Why would he not question your reasoning as others did?

UncertainKitten 6
Minineko 9
Ellibereth 4
Jahudo 5
SpyreX 10
Max 3
farside22 1
HackerHuck 11
Super Awesome Mega Pimp! 7
Cobalt 2
Grimmy 8

This new shove represents that I don't see why Spyrex didn't question Colbalt and reminds me of HH and how he reacted with pwnman.

Grimmy a view of what you think of others in the game and why is no required to move you up for me.
I feel like your parroting others now.

[farside22]

minineko why do you think Cobalt is scum?

[farside22]

Slicey/ UncertainKitten - post 203 for UK comes dangerously close to OMGUS. If I see a PM from a player and I reconize what it says in my PM why would I assume scum has that as it's safe claim?

Jahudo - post 116 I know many a player who say they have a town read on a player and are town. Why do you think eli is scum for saying his town reads are?
Why is Grimmy anti-town when I see Hacker having an almost me first mentality. In fact I saw very little said from grimmy so why the 5 here?
post 281 I noticed that jahudo ignored colbalts question
post 287 really makes me think jahuod and HH are scum together
There isn't a sample town role PM in the OP
There is?
Post 261 shove list gives me great pause as there is no explaination of why he has people listed this way.

Max - Why do you like what grimmy said?

HackerHuck - post 171 why would you think someone who is paraphrasing what another player said is okay?

SAMP - post 120 - why did you like HH response and why did you push minin and pwnman back here? post 132 makes me think samp is scum for not understand max's confusion. Why do you think HH is town? post 313 and welcome to the 180 degree turn.
Post 262 again another person list of numbers with no reasoning.

UncertainKitten 7
Minineko 4
Ellibereth 2
Jahudo 11
SpyreX 8
Max 6
farside22 1
HackerHuck 10
Super Awesome Mega Pimp! 9
Cobalt 5
Grimmy 9

in conclusion I think Jahudo is scum with HH. SAMP has moved back up my scum list for trying to save HH without saying why. Eli is obv town in my book. Max went on the fence with his latest push.
I think HH or Jahudo should be lynched.

[farside22]

Shove:
1. UncertainKitten 6
2. Minineko 2
3. Ellibereth 10
4. Jahudo 7
5. SpyreX 5
6. Max 9
7. farside22 8
8. HackerHuck 1
9. Super Awesome Mega Pimp! 3
10. Cobalt 11
12. Grimmy 4

i am interested in learning why you rank 6 people as more town than yourself, and why you think elli is scum with me but not spyrex

[farside22]

J: I'm not seeing how you see this comment as town.
First HH doesn't acknoweledge pwnman's claim. He's not saying why he thinks pwnman is okay.
He's being in my view wishy washy with that response. Like meh what ever
And finally there was a debate on whether pwnman was going to be mod killed. I think most figured he would since he quoted his PM which is typically a mod killable offense. HH seperating himself like this doesnt' equate town with those things happening to me.

Pwnman, can you respond to post 152?

He also paraphrased your comment on me. Or if it wasn't yours, it was someone elses.

I'm not much liking Mega Pimp and SpyreX on the last couple of pages. Cobalt and pwnman seem OK to me

[farside22]

HackerHuck - post 171 why would you think someone who is paraphrasing what another player said is okay?

I never said it was. I think I explained why I felt pwnman was town. In fact, you allude to a similar reason at the beginning of this same post.

Slicey/ UncertainKitten - post 203 for UK comes dangerously close to OMGUS. If I see a PM from a player and I reconize what it says in my PM why would I assume scum has that as it's safe claim?

Where did you say you thought pwnman was town after his claim?

[farside22]

Looking back at the post when pwnman got modkilled HH didn't say anything about reconizing pwnman's post till after the modkill and never reacted to pwnman except to say okay. That does not = knowledge of the claim in my book.
He had time to react to the claim and didn't. To say after he saw the claim as his own is just more scummy.

slicey: top 3 scum suspects are HH, jahudo and SAMP. my reason's are on post 329

[farside22]

Question to all: Does it seem like Cobalt is lurkerhunting?

I would say in the begining yes. It was part of why I questioned who he thought was scum. His shove order told me next to nothing but it was all lurkers in the game.
His post later expanding on his reasoning it's just about lurkers. Maybe it's because of HH's reaction and trying to come up and say he say the claim by pwnman and didn't respond till after his lynch I find more scummy.
I have yet to have any explain why they think this action was town instead of scum motiviated.

1. Slicey - 5
2. Minineko - 6
3. Ellibereth - 2
4. Jahudo - 10
5. SpyreX - 7
6. Max - 3
7. farside22 - 1
8. HackerHuck - 11
9. Super Awesome Mega Pimp! -9
10. Cobalt - 4
11. Grimmy -8

[farside22]

farside, how much of your Hacker case is based on his reaction to pwnman's flip? Because I don't see how that's a tell, and I don't see how you see that's a tell. Both you and Hacker had a similar reaction of believing pwnman's claim flavor, whereas Elli didn't believe the claim.

Seriously? How does this even look like a similar reaction to pwnmans claim?

It still probably counts as a quote.

Oddly enough, there's nothing in the rules about quoting your PM. Maybe it's not fail?

He's still scummy as hell.
And he calls that "proof" he's town.

vote: Eli

Anyone who looked at pwnman's comment with his claim and calling it scum doesn't have the same PM me thinks.

Pwnman, can you respond to post 152?

He also paraphrased your comment on me. Or if it wasn't yours, it was someone elses.

I'm not much liking Mega Pimp and SpyreX on the last couple of pages. Cobalt and pwnman seem OK to me

[farside22]

farside, how much of your Hacker case is based on his reaction to pwnman's flip? Because I don't see how that's a tell, and I don't see how you see that's a tell. Both you and Hacker had a similar reaction of believing pwnman's claim flavor, whereas Elli didn't believe the claim.

On top of that what town player do you know who gets attacked for that response states after a flip that he recognized pwnman's post as his own pm?

[farside22]

I love you DGB. I love my letter too.
Alright we have on throw only it seems if I'm reading this correctly. I'm going to go over and reread to get my scum list.

[farside22]

Each player has only one Nutriloaf. Nutriloaf is highly resistant to shock, and can throw repeatedly. However, its brick-like properties cause strain on your arm, and you can only throw Nutriloaf 3 times before you pull a muscle.

Well it sounds like we have only one but we can throw it 3 times.

Mod: Can you clairfy how this works a bit better.

[farside22]

itt we lynch minineko

Why?

Also I'm dying to know did anyone hear anything through the vent last night?

[farside22]

BAWHAHAHAHAHAHA.
God I love this game even more.

Okay grabs hold of myself.
I think Jahudo and slicey are scum. I still think kitty's remard and actions are just so unlike what I expect. Call it meta but I just believe everyting I read from her screams scum.
I will have to look at SAMP and mini to see if anything really comes at me.

[farside22]

Okay so looking at SAMP in isolation there were a things I found that scream scum to me.
1)

Cobalt, I will not tolerate you brushing me off. You WILL answer 120 and 124 in your next post. If you do not, I will relentlessly push for your lynch for the rest of the game with no regard for any alternative lynch whatsoever, except in the case of a guilty investigation or other concrete proof of guilt on another player.

However when he see's it's not going he says he's going to his number 2 suspection which is min.
You know what the probablem is with him saying it's his number 2.
It's his numbers

Shove:
UncertainKitten 5

Minineko 1

Ellibereth 7
Jahudo 10
SpyreX 6
Max 11
farside22 9
HackerHuck 3
Super Awesome Mega Pimp! 8
Cobalt 12
pwnman 2
Grimmy 4

Shove:
UncertainKitten 6

Minineko 2

Ellibereth 10
Jahudo 7
SpyreX 5
Max 9
farside22 8
HackerHuck 1
Super Awesome Mega Pimp! 3
Cobalt 11
Grimmy 4

Shove:
UncertainKitten 6

Minineko 1

Ellibereth 8
Jahudo 5
SpyreX 10
Max 9
farside22 7
HackerHuck 2
Super Awesome Mega Pimp! 3
Cobalt 11
Grimmy 4

Not really a fan of either a Hacker or Neko lynch today but since Cobalt slithered out of the top spot I guess I don't have any choice but to give up on him today I think Neko's more likely to be one of his buddies, so

Shove:
UncertainKitten 5

Minineko 11

Ellibereth 7
Jahudo 4
SpyreX 9
Max 8
farside22 6
HackerHuck 1
Super Awesome Mega Pimp! 2
Cobalt 10
Grimmy 3

For more then half the day Mini was at 1 or 2 in the shove order with either Max, spyrex or Eli towards the bottom. This looks like a complete BS comment at the end.

[farside22]

The only reason I can see SAMP stating this comment that looks more likely scum is looking at the last standing before the lynch

4.8 Ellibereth
5.1 farside22
5.4 Jahudo
5.5 Max
5.6 Slicey
5.7 SpyreX
6.5 Grimmy
6.9 Minineko
6.9 Super Awesome Mega Pimp!
6.9 Cobalt
7.5 HackerHuck

Cobalt was moving up so I could see instead of scum backtracking to say lets lynch HH he picked Minieko because he was about the same standing as SAMP and he can ensure his own safety.

Right now my vote is on SAMP.

[farside22]

I didn't hear anything from any vent. And I don't have a PR.

What's this about me and UncertainSlicey being scumbuddies? Three people say it's possible, bu no reasoning yet. Are you guys telepathic or what?

Really and what 3 people called you scum buddies together?

[farside22]

Jahudo: Can you expand on why you thought me and HH had similar actions/comment upon pwnman's claim?

[farside22]

Since SAMP you never stated any suspicion of Mini before that shove or saying anything before. Why do you think mini is scum?

[farside22]

Also @ Jahudo: Did you ever saying anything about making your ranking like SAMP did to push Colbalt down with the same reasoning.

[farside22]

I read Mini in isolation and he's not a big talker from what I can see.
He had one post he quoted with a few views, some vague and some with certainity.
I think I would like to hear a bit more from him and his views on players. Or at least his top 3 scum suspects and why.

[farside22]

spryrex who do you think is scum and why?

Slicey needs to answer that question too.

[farside22]

Oh, it's certainly not proof he's town. I'm assuming DGB gave falseclaims to the scum. And "proving you are town" with a role PM quote does feel desperate.

First she says fail. Then ask you just quoted your role PM. Then says the above.
These comments all scream scum. It's like she knew it was his role PM but then covered it up saying scum probably have a fake claim.

[farside22]

If I had a handle on who was scum you'd know. All of the dead being town is still thrown me off base.

As for who I've got town-town vibes from? Grimmy and Elli. To an extent Jah and Cobalt.

The rest? Blah.

----

Realistically we had a very useless day one and thats throwing me off in conjuntion with the dead. I'm not stoked.

I had an issue with Jah and well SAMP. They talk about this inverted system of the push but to me it's just hide scum intentions.
I think SAMP even pointed out saying we could look back on the shove count to find scum on it but if they just invert their numbers it gives nothing on them and something they can use to cover up the reason for their list.

Eli I have a firm town read on, somthing in my gut says mini is town and I think I can see scum using him for a mislynch.

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I don't. I only shoved him back because at deadline the choices were him and Hacker, and I thought he was more likely to be scum than Hacker, but I didn't like either choice.

Basically instead of really scum hunting you looked at the list of people near the bottom and picked one of them instead of presenting a case on someone.
Plus you stated you thought Neko was more likely to be buddies with Colbalt without a reason.
I call BS.

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HEY SAMP
quick question
you attacked me for an opportunistic shove on pwnman, but you ignored that SpyreX pushed pwnman to 12 as well in the first post SpyreX made after pwnman's role PM quote. Elli and UK were also all over pwnman in that interval. You also ignored one of the strongest points against pwnman- he was copying and pasting Jahudo's reads. You ignored all that to tunnel on me. nice job champ

Lets not forget his own opportunistic shove at the end of the day to mini.

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Well I had nothing from you or your post but most of my view on UK was from that interaction with pwnman.
I'm hoping that DGB will just replace mini. Most flakers/slackers usually get replaced.

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Scenario: You're town, the deadline is in a couple days, the player you've been pushing all day isn't a viable lynch, and you don't really suspect either of the players who are a viable lynch. What do you do?

I am town and I had more then one person I was suspicious of all day long.
I kept all those I was suspicious of down low on a list so if one didn't get lynched at least one of the other 3 would

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Mini how do you figure that colbalt was targeting HH because he was a lurker?

Actually the idea of throwing the loaf to one person you trust who throws it back to the person who throws it back to them so the person has their own loaf back to throw isn't a bad idea and this will help give more of an idea on a vote later in the game.

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Cobalt would you say your list consistent of mostly lurkers in the game?

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Jahudo what reason did mini give to want to lynch HH?

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Jah: How is that different then what SAMP did?

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launch Minineko's Nutriloaf to Minineko

Look by tossing it to one person who targets the person back everyone has their own "vote" and no scum can manipulate it.

I plan on throwing my own nutriloaf at SAMP.

So far no one has really given me a reason that Mini is better and frankly I understand mini. He found colbalt going for more lurkers based on his list then scum hunting.
Someone want to dispute this comment I'm all ears.

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Issue with my funnel idea? Scum, even if picked, couldn't really do damage without outing themselves AND it minimizes scum influence.

And by forcing players to player their own vote if gives an analysis that can't be corrupted by fake towniness

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I was thinking along the lines of having one player collect all the two-shot taters and then voting as per normal.

But, whatev's thats hard to do now

This will work just fine and I don't want my vote to be in someone elses hands. I would rather have the opportunity to throw my loaf at the player I believe is scum.

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Cobalt would you say your list consistent of mostly lurkers in the game?

clarify what list?

mini is scummy for not seeing the case on pwnman.

Did you have grimmy, mini and pwnman at the bottom 3?
Then it didn't change with pwnman, grim(?) and one other with no real explanation for most of the game.

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Colbalt you had the same issue with Mini that you had with HH and he was town.
Don't you think it's a bit narrow minded?

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To deal with the PR for tomorrow I will be using the numbers on page one to before to players.

1. Slicey UncertainKitten
2. Minineko
3. Ellibereth
4. Jahudo
5. SpyreX
6. farside22
7. Super Awesome Mega Pimp!
8. Cobalt
9. Grimmy

The simple things to use for replacing
U = You
R = Are
SM= Scum
WTH = what the hell
Lots of thing that people use for short hand can be used for tomorrow.
Any claim that help with getting a scum lynch should be like.
GTY= Guilty
RB = role blocked
Doc= Doctor who saved a player

Throw farside's NUTRILOAF to Ellibereth

. Please throw back.

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Also a note for tomorrow's PR situation we can also refer to this list from wiki on some things.

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... reviations

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I don't like how I see colbalt not really making a case on anyone. He is using the same excuse he had to want to lynch HH to throw is loaf at mini.
idk why but something feels off about spyrex that is more gut and SAMP's whole inversion after saying that we could use the shove to determine scum gives me all sorts of scum intentions.

Eli: Do you still see this as colbalt town meta? I havent' seen the same aggressive, lets lynch scum attitude and he's been really quiet this game, more then usual.

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I still find SAMP is more scummy. His comment about using the shove count day 1 and then inverting it pushes him over the edge as mr.scum manipulator.

launch farside's Nutriloaf to SAMP

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Jahudo: Do you think slicey is scum with colbalt or will colbalt if lynched give you info towards slicey?

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I elaborated because its not a function of my role but a function of what happened last night soooooo

how would praying over a bible trigger a PR? :S
I find it interesting that Jah is piggybacking on SAMP's case on me. Let me check how they ranked each other yesterday.

You mean with that inverted list they both used at one point.

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Spy, is this something you did at night because the mod told you, you did it?

Jahudo: Do you think slicey is scum with colbalt or will colbalt if lynched give you info towards slicey?

I'm only thinking of independent reasons right now. The info depends on how the lynch went down and where everyone was pushing at the time.

Again this ignores those that inverted the list like SAMP.

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What does SAMP have to do with Slicey looking suspicious?

Your talking about those who were pushing who. SAMP only pushed on colbalt and no one else. I can't believe you are letting that slide by. IGMYEOY

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He seems to have a contradictory read between Cobalt-SAMP and Cobalt-Minineko. One of his reasons for thinking SAMP is town is because bussing obv-scum Cobalt seems unlikely. But Cobalt and Mini both suspect each other.

Also if cobalt flipped town this idea doesn't work and it's like you are expecting Cobalt to flip scum with this idea.
Yet your seperating Slicey from cobalt.

me thinks I see a conection too much with Jah and SAMP

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-He seems to have a contradictory read between Cobalt-SAMP and Cobalt-Minineko.

One of his reasons for thinking SAMP is town is because bussing obv-scum Cobalt seems unlikely.

But Cobalt and Mini both suspect each other.

@Slicey: How are these situations different?

The bolded part is what Slicey believes, not me. (through replace obv-scum for "likely scum" which is what he said.) I am not thinking about bussing/distancing/budding with people I have reads on.

I wanted to know why Slicey is willing to lynch both Cobalt and Minineko (who suspect each other), but not SAMP and Cobalt (who suspect each other) when one of the reasons for not suspecting SAMP is because he's suspecting Cobalt.

Sorry I read that wrong.

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Grim who are your scum suspects and why?

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Mod: What is are deadline?

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@farside: Do you still think SAMP's town read on Hacker is suspicious?
What do you think post 376 means, when SAMP pushed his #2 suspect (Mini) in the #1 town slot? Do you think it was mostly to save himself? Do you think there was some buddying/distancing going on? Do you think this is an example of the inversion strategy being manipulated in a way that mostly or only makes sense as scum?

I didn't see why he thought Hacker was town.
He had no case on mini and if you look at the line up mini was one step above him so damn straight I looked at it as an attempt to save himself more then mini being scum choice #2
When someone brings up looking at the shove counts and then doing inversion I'm going to find that scummy. I see no reason to use this except to cover up your suspect list. He should have if he wanted to show players he thought as scummy towards the bottom like everyone else. I see it as an attempt to mislead the town.

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I didn't see why he thought Hacker was town.
He had no case on mini and if you look at the line up mini was one step above him so damn straight I looked at it as an attempt to save himself more then mini being scum choice #2

To me it looked like settling for one of the two viable lynches when Cobalt stopped being viable. And I agree that he hadn't previously said Mini was scum, or said much good about Hacker; but that doesn't bother me as much because the reason could have just been a gut move like Spy did today.

@SAMP: How much of your Hacker town read had to do with Hacker's post 119?

He never said anything about his gut. Do you just give him excuses for no reason?

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Not entirely. There was logic to the Hacker read, but the Mini was unexplained. At the time of his final shove there was only a .4 difference between Hacker and Mini, who were the only viable lynches. Next came SAMP himself.

So there's logic to acting on the part of the read you have, but the gut was trusting in a non-scum read enough to contribute to the lynch at all.

I see it as someone who is making an excuse to insure he doesn't get pushed to the buttom.

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Deadline is in 2 days for anyone that cares.

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Samp has yet to answer why he thought mini was scum and why he never said anything prior to that last shove.
There are only 2 loaves going to him and I see his act as a desperate attempt by scum.

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I do notice that spyrex, eli and cobalt are being very quiet on their views of who is scum and saying next to nothing on any of it.
Eli is on V/LA but that was just a few days ago and doesn't explain the earlier discussion.
I could see a cobalt/eli team Something about spryrex feels off and god knows why I can't explain this.

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Cobalt is definately too quiet this game. He is more vocal then this.

Mod: prod spryrex and cobalt

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Don't forget with tomorrow if you want to refer to a post you wrote on someone you should do something like
POST#
or
REF2 #

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IM FREE!

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I figured colbalt was scum after SAMP died but seriously the whole let me invert after saying we have something to look at was terrible logic.
Colbat wasn't playing to his town meta and I called that right. UK really was uncertain.
I really thought Spryex was scum based on his game play all game. Seriously it was that bad.

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I figured colbalt was scum after SAMP died but seriously the whole let me invert after saying we have something to look at was terrible logic.

:roll: I shoved Hacker low and Cobalt high, how is that not something to look at? :roll:

You pushed a player down with no reason.