Slaxx wrote:As of now my vote for pulindar stays. His pointing out of similarities between reasons is good, but he still hasnt really justified his thoughts on Nacho, besides using someone else's logic, who even admit is not a very good case. This and his one connection is the only case he has currently. He's still saying he's going to read, even of his most recent post. Deadline's not far away, I think he's procrastinated long enough. We shouldn't let anyone sneak up to deadline without some sort of idea on their stance on scum (with an actual case).
I'm starting to get fairly annoyed that you KEEP misrepresenting me. My first couple posts I promised to read through, and to reread. I did that. I've read this game a few times actually, and I don't likethe arguments that I've found. I've kept commenting on what has been slowly transpiring, but I DON'T have a case yet. I never said I would definitely have a case. YOU Slaxx keep saying that I said I have a case and will post shortly. You keep misrepresenting what I've said, and don't use quotes to back it up. In fact, it seems to me that you're doing the same thing with Nacho and Gerhard. While I do suspect them I really don't like your arguments. We'll get into that in a bit.
First let's look at other arguments. Green Crayons arguments below, they all seem weak to me. Gerhard's breadcrum could be seen to go either way, scum or cop. In fact, based on the wording I would more suspect scum if I were looking at it as a breadcrum. But I find that it really probably was just answering his favorite position. That his claim of being cop has gone on uncontested doesn't matter, We don't know the setup. There could be no cop, there could be 3. As for the claim of title, that's off basis too because he could have just as easily looked it up and seen who to use. It's something to note, but not a definite. Still, that his title of Peter Syme makes me feel slightly better, but still not certain.
Neither Colonal Hart nor Christopher were mentioned in the wiki. Next off while Miranda Callendar is mentioned she is:
Wiki wrote:Miranda Callendar, a detective employed by Claire learns about Hyde
Then
Reimer and Callendar confront Syme, claiming they know the truth about Jackman. Callendar claims that Klein and Utterson have access to cloning technology and that Jackman is Jekyll's clone. Syme denies this and orders them taken away. He reveals to Claire that the "cure" her husband is undergoing will not purge the Hyde persona, but Jackman. Klein and Utterson want to examine Hyde in order to synthesize the potion that turned the original Jekyll into Hyde.
Then we have
Sometime later Jackman, apparently free of Hyde, has once again separated from his family for their safety. With the help of Callendar he tracks down his mother. Confronting her he asks about his origins,
From those would you expect her to be Mafia? Now I know that chances are Peter would be counted as good since he is a lead employee, but it could be taken other ways. He is, after all, the one trying to create more Hydes.
BTW according to this wiki, Mrs. Utterson at the end transforms into her own Hyde role. Which was part of the reason I suggested a PGO that would transform into an SK once targeted. She changes when Callendar and Hyde confront her, not before. If Wolf as Callendar confronted the Mother ...
Anyway, I went off on a tangent there. I find that not all of the roles are in the wiki, and that not all the roles mean what I would expect them to mean via the game, so I'm not sure I'd trust Gerhard even if I was sure that his name claim was true. And since we don't know whether there is a cop at all, I see no reason to use no counter claim as a good reason for him to be definitely town.
If you do want to use the wiki, think of it this way:
Now, If we take both of their claims, Peanut is Mrs. Utterson, and Gerhard is Syme then we still have other claims that can be made.
There could be a Benjamin, an american ally of Syme's. This seems like a pretty high chance for a role, though Idon't know what role he would have.
There could be Reimer, Jackman and Hyde's psychologist.
There could be Claire, Hyde's wife who seems (from what I've read) to be leaving him. Chances of claire seem pretty low though as she wasn't involved in the company
There could even be a Jackman which may keep Hyde from NKing sometimes. (just a thought) though this would be doubtful. maybe a Jackman filling a doctor role? protecting who he could from Hyde. Maybe able to send one PM to each other to show leaving notes. And put in a suicide situation, so if one dies the other dies.
So, 7 of us left, two claimed titles and a few possibilities. What roles might there be? I wish I had seen the show, this would change it significantly.
Anyway, back to slaxx stuff.
Slaxx wrote:
That being said Nacho has switched around votes a lot. The first two were fairly well justified, but I dont get the logic between the GC votes. Just earlier when I asked of his suspicions he said he had been a big fan of GC's posting, then he votes him because of his "gut". Also I believe he said something about 2 mafiosos. I'm not good at balance, because I haven't played too many games, but assuming a certain number of maf left seems off to me, especially with the SK/PGO variable still incorporated into the gameplay mechanics.
Two mafia members would make sense, it's either one or two left, depending, but it's best to think in things of the worst case senerio. I think there are two left as well. I don't, and didn't find it scummy that he would say that. It seemed like a guess at the time.
On the other hand, I do think that his vote on Green Crayons was a bit timely right after someone else voted for him, and as the group mind in general began to move away from peanut. I don't like it, it could be a scum trying to get on a wagon early. Still, I'd like to hear mroe of an explaination from him first.
Slaxx wrote:
As far as Gerhard goes, another empty promise on a read. When people promise a read 4 days or 5 days, idk what it is now, before deadline, and promise it soon and don't get it up, Its probably not good. He's been kind of standoffish this day too, and I would think the real cop, as I have said before, would try to be more protown in order to give merit to his claim. I see his reasoning of not caring too, at the same time: If he's not scum, and he claimed cop, chances are he'll be the nightkill and probably doesnt care about the game. Regardless, the action is still rather unjustifiable as he isnt playing to a town win condition.
I see where he said he would reread, I also see that he said he would respond in a few hours if he finished. Which by implication means he did not finish. Why would he put the time contraint of a few hours on it? Because he's probably busy and will be back later. Is it a lurker move? a bit yes, but it's not a bad one.
As for him being the NK, well that may be likely, but they could also not NK him and if there are two mafia left they may try to get the blame put on him because he wasn't NKed. Think outside the box. In fact, If I were scum there would be no way I would NK gerard. Not if I still had a roleblocker.
Slaxx wrote:
MY stance right now is Pulindar or GK. Possibly Nacho.
I'll probably give it another good read thursday when I only have 2 classes, see if I'm overlooking anything.
I agree with your other two suspects, but I don't like your case.
Case against me: Xvart lurked and I don't have a strong case against anyone else. Wait so you have a case against me for not trying to bandwagon on random people?
Case against Gerhard: Basically you're saying he's not playing Hard enough so we should just policy lynch him even though you think there is a good chance he is cop.
Case against Nacho: Your best yet, his vote on GC bothered me a bit as well, but the fact that he's taking a guess on the setup?? really you think that's a reason to lynch someone for?
Honestly your cases seem like you're just trying to get people to vote anyone but you. You seem to be making an effort with nothing real to back it up and filling in the real stuff by misrepresenting what people have said. I'm starting to be bothered by this Slaxx. I can understand going after my spot for lurking a bit, but going after Nacho for his guess on what the setup may be??? seems awefully far fetched to me, even if he was my lead suspect.
Nacho wrote:
In your point against me, you're failing to realize that I am against peanut's lynch; not only am I against it, but I'm also offerring good alternatives for people to lynch instead. Wolf used that point to get his suspect lynched. I'm using that reason more, combined with worst case scenario thinking to make sure that the town doesn't do something incredibly stupid.
Good point. You're right, I didn't see it that way before. And you're right I can see how you would be doing that. Good point.
As for GC case against ML and the defense from ML. I tend to agree more with ML. I like MLs answers and I'm leaning towards town with ML.
On the other hand I hate MLs case against Peanut. Even if Peanut is SK (distinct possibility) his survival could help us. He could be the target of Mafia to keep him from NKing them. Or he could target them. Either way, I like keeping him in play at the moment.
Also, if he is PGO then it'll be extremely difficult/ risky, for Mafia to NK him. Could be a huge boon to town in that case.
"If I had to label someone as dangerous, it'd be Pulindar. I have a feeling his scum game is very similar to his town game.... What I think is dangerous about Pulindar is that his scumreads feel so liquid. He can post a wall of questions and decide he doesn't like your answer to one of them and justify a vote on you." ~ Prawneater
