The game starts off basically with 5cvm's shitty gambit, the false dilemma stuff, and a bunch of inactivity. 5cvm's gambit makes no sense to me coming from either scum or town. I just don't see the motivation either way, but it's too damn weird (especially the "80-90%" stuff) to just ignore. I have no major issues with Slaxx as yet, but I will keep an eye out.
As for the false dilemma stuff, I'm absolutely on the side that says it
I'm now going to skip to the point where activity picked up more and there was interesting stuff to pick up on.
The first thing that really jumped out at me was Gerhard, over posts 235, 240, 242, 246:
In 235, his top 3 is Suave, Kiku, and raider. In 240 declares top 3 of Nacho, Kiku, and raider, no Suave. He then votes Kiku in 242. He subsequently switches to Suave in 246, as far as I can tell based solely on xvart and Nacho showing suspicion on Suave. This is a strange sequence in a very short period of time, and it looks to me like Gerhard wanted to make sure to position himself well on whatever opportune wagon came up.
I will never understand why people answer questions directed specifically at someone else. By saying this, Gerhard tipped off Nacho that he would find it scummy if Nacho claimed it was pro-town. Why protect Nacho?Gerhard Krause wrote:I actually don't see a problem with it [Nacho's post regarding the Unity replace]. He wants the game to keep moving, so he asks the mod where we're at. Perhaps the mod has a couple maybes, or he found one and the guy just hasn't posted yet. It's off topic, so I don't see how it's relevant.
If he tries to pass it off as pro-town activity, then we have an issue.
Policy lynch talk about a proven townie. Not the biggest scumtell in the world, but there may be something there.xvart wrote:Unvote: 5cvm
Vote: MrSuave
That's five, L-2. My only concern is MrSuave just gave up and isn't interested in the game anymore; but lynching a lurker isn't a bad thing either way...
This is just awful. It suggests that Gerhard knows Suave is town: "Gerhard Krause wrote:MrSuave - You are not trying. You haven't done shit since I voted you. At this point it would be more beneficial to the town to mislynch you rather than a scummy, cuz they will keep you around till lylo, and you will make us lose.
Prove me wrong.
Having been in another game with Suave, I'd say that he's a scum's dream town player, especially if scum can get people to walk down the policy lynch route.
I don't really understand the "voting for pressure, but I have people I think are scummier" stance. It's very strange and could be scummy, though I think it might be mitigated by the approaching deadline at the time.xvart wrote:I definitely think 5cvm is scummy. I'm fencesitting on MrSuave, and switched my vote based on his responses to the increased pressure. I was hoping some increased pressure (up to L-2) would get some answers, content, responses, etc. and would be satisfied returning my vote to 5cvm but with the lackluster response by MrSuave I can't tell if he is just a townie who doesn't know what to do to get out of his current predicament or a resigned scum member.peanutman wrote:@xvart, am I correct in thinking you don't feel that Mr Suave or 5cvm are scummy, but rather badly playing townies?
I'm going to keep my vote where it is for now, but I would switch to 5cvm or even raider when the deadline approaches and their responses. I think I was the first one all over raider and my pursuit of him went nowhere; but since others are chiming in now I would be happy to go back and put some more pressure on him. My top clear scum reads are 5cvm and raider.peanutman wrote:If so, who does strike you as scummy currently?
This is re: xvart's L-2 vote on Suave. Why is this all that interesting? Why do other peoples' scumtells matter to xvart's case? Is xvart required to sign on to every scumtell pointed out before voting for someone?Gerhard Krause wrote:Really now? So the original scum tells that started this wagon in the first place had nothing to do with it? I find that very interesting indeed.
More policy lynch talk about proven townie Suave.peanutman wrote:Unvote
Vote : MrSuave
He is proving to be a distraction in my eyes more than anything else. Blatant anti-town play, not contributing at all to the discussion, answering one-liners to some of the less important questions. Regardless of his alignment, he is hurting the town. If he isn't lynched today, and he continues to play as he is, he will only distract us from our task of scum-hunting and generating helpful discussions.
Peanut pointedly ignored this question, and it was never answered. I think this shifts the null-to-scum policy lynch talk up to the level of scummy. This is because now it's not just policy lynch talk, it's trying to hide said policy lynch talk as well.HackerHuck wrote:So Peanut, do you really think Mr Suave is scum or are you just voting for him because he's not helpful?
Hey look policy lynch talk.wolframnhart wrote:Even if he [Suave] ends up flipping town, he will be such a distraction and scum would probably try to use him to their advantage (especially in LyLo) that it might be better to policy lynch him to save us the headache, and in day 1 that isn't too bad because we can get more information out of his wagon then out of him.
And what if GC got night-killed? What if he had something important to say? This to me is attempting to limit information and really stands out as a scumtell.Gerhard Krause wrote:Green Canyons, your info will be just as good tomorrow as it is now. The only reason to delay a hammer is if the info is relevant to the lynchee, and may be influenced by him. This is not the case, so I don't see how waiting will add to it. We need to move into D2 so that the people on MrSuave's wagon can move on to something new, and will be able to act on your information.
I noticed that Nacho basically disappeared at the end of the day, especially for someone pretty active in the early going. Something to keep in mind.
tl;dr: