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contradiction in one paragraph right on!TheButtonmen wrote:
Please stop trying to dictate who I can and can't be suscipous of. You find me odd/scummy/suspcious that's fine butI'm finding it odd that you keep questioning me changing my mind or finding certain people suspcious.
I asked you point blank why you found my claim suspicious and why you are talking about lynching me.
So far you have I went last but I pointed out certain things in the PM in a subtle way as again I was uncertain if scum would be told what person they were imprinted with and or a game to reference.
Also why would you assume I had a tracker imprint when I said I had no investigation role?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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If I was scum why would I not shot anyone if I was given the ability?TheButtonmen wrote:
I don't know he's being honest, I am inclined to believe him though based on how/when/what he claimed.SerialClergyman wrote:How do you know if Limerick was honest or not?
It's possible farside is lying, but I don't think she is. She could have just said vig like the two of you, she went last, she knew she couldn't be disproved.
In regards to Farside, as you yourself said, Vigs are decent lynch targets, by claiming Doc she protects herself from that and if a NK does happen down the line she would get the suscipon from being imprinted however people would initally go for someone who had claimed Vig which would give the scum the free march they needed to win.
IE: I could have framed you if I was scum and you were town quiet easily.
still quiet happy with my vote on buttonman so far. Let me know if people are still confused or have questions.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Why are you answering questions meant for buttonman?xRECKONERx wrote:Because, as scum, it'd be more beneficial to wait a day or two and use your kill later, because then there's a wider field of candidates who could be the scum.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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I honestly don't know. The imprints felt like they got no information for the town. I'm starting to lean more on limerick as town more and more now that I have a theory on some things but I'm waiting for buttonman to reply to my question.elvis_knits wrote:So what should we do about imprints from here on out?
I really liked the lynch, look at flip, then decide imprints plan we had going, but now that we've done imprints once they carry over if somebody is scum.
If all the people imprinted from last night are town, it's like nobody has powers unless we reimprint.
If somebody is scum their imprint continues.
I'm just trying to think of what our strategy is from here on out... help!
If buttonman is scum anyone imprinted and him not lynched will just lead to people questioning anyone imprinted if he shoots that night and WIFOM.
Basically I don't trust buttonman.
I don't want to be imprinted again. I'm tired of trying to explain to people things that makes sense to me and I can see scum making me their patsy at this point. (basically thanks but no thanks)
basically we imprint someone new I could see scum using this as a tactic to shoot at night to make someone look like scum. Imprint anyone tonight they may get that same tactic on them.
If you want to imprint anyone go for limerick. Use someone that already has been imprinted and don't let scum WIFOM.
I don't wish to be that patsy thanks.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Quote where you "pointed out certain things in the PM in a subtle way" as I apperntly missed it.farside22 wrote:Didn't get a cop check. I want to hear from limerick and thebuttonman a bit since what I got had no investigation imprint and I want to see if anyone lies about their imprint before giving more details on how it works right this moment.
Any chance you going to answer my questions any time soon or do you plan on continuing stalling?farside22 wrote:
What reference where you given for your imprint?TheButtonmen wrote:If we had imprinted two I would have shot Elvis, with three imprints vigging was too much of a risk.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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You claimed to be able to catch me or Lim if we fake claimed and said you didn't have a investigative role, thus the only role what would allow you to do so was tracker/watcher.farside22 wrote: So far you have I went last but I pointed out certain things in the PM in a subtle way as againI was uncertain if scum would be told what person they were imprinted with and or a game to reference.
Also why would you assume I had a tracker imprint when I said I had no investigation role?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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confirm vote: buttonman
I have asked you multitude of questions you have ignored thus far
far wrote:If I was scum why would I not shot anyone if I was given the ability?
See post 1419far wrote:What about my claim do you find false and reasoning do you find false
Also what case do you have against me to what to see me lynched that did not satisfy your questions thus far?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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It's the detials of how it works it's more sutble but my second post was pretty blunt about asking you for a reference point (which I note you ignore completely)farside22 wrote:
TheButtonmen wrote:
Quote where you "pointed out certain things in the PM in a subtle way" as I apperntly missed it.
farside22 wrote:
Didn't get a cop check. I want to hear from limerick and thebuttonman a bit since what I got had no investigation imprint and I want to see if anyone lies about their imprint before giving more details on how it works right this moment.
Not seeing where you ""pointed out certain things in the PM in a subtle way" in the above quote.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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I will write up a case on KOC more but I already had one on reck with his flip flop on day 2 and his next to nothing scum hunting is already noted by me.
I still want button to answer my questions he seems to dodge and then think he answered everything just fine.
Also If I feel someone is scum that was imprinted they could fire at someone tonight.
I don't like someone who says they would vig someone and they get a vig abiliaty. Also reck mentioned vigs on day 2 and something about if town had a vig. I need to check on that again.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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that one was 28 minutes ago the rest where all last night.TheButtonmen wrote:farside22 wrote:confirm vote: buttonman
I have asked you multitude of questions you have ignored thus far
far wrote:If I was scum why would I not shot anyone if I was given the ability?
You posted that at 1:57 pm, You accuse me of ignoring it at 2:25pm. Twenty Eight minuets, thats how long I have to answer your questions? Its the start of the day, I'm being super active (really your claims of me ignoring your posts is quite laughable) desptite the site lagging / erroring like a sack of dog crud. You dismiss what I say as OMGUS for daring to question you and Elvis and repeatedly accuse me of ignoring your question.
So no I wasn't ignoring your questions, however that's a policy I'm revising.
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I did say questions and I pointed to the fact last night I asked questions you missed and didn't get to.Any chance you going to answer my questions any time soon or do you plan on continuing stalling?
I already answered that last night?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Sorry for the triple post but where did I say it was OMGUS for questioning us. I was talking about your post in wanting to lynch one of us.farside22 wrote:You dismiss what I say as OMGUS for daring to question you and Elvis and repeatedly accuse me of ignoring your question.
Mostly me on this again. Your case against me is what again?
lynching is not questioning as far as I was toldSarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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So just reading KOC in isolation he came in giving a big post on the game thus far and then nothing much else.
So I have some things that concerned me that KOC has ignored completely.
Before this post he imprints me but later states the following:xRECKONERx wrote:
Farside, at first, didn't come off that scummy to me... but it seems the more she tries to defend herself, the more she digs her own grave. It's like I didn't see anything at first, but ek's attacks on her are actually showing her in a different light. It's nothing drastic, not yet at least, but she seems to be failing to defend herself properly.
= I don't agree with this. I think farside has defended herself adroitly. EK saying farside hasn't =/= farside not doing it. Elvis' whole "let's just agree you said what you said and I said what I said" shit feels like an attempt to excuse some misrep.
Both EK and myself have asked him why he posted the VMD was involved in the imprint when it was himself that did the imprint and it's an about face with no reasoning....I'm not going to get my SC lynch today am I? =/
-sigh- Very well. unvote; Vote No Lynch
imprint: Socrates I don't necessarily agree with his opinions on certain players, but he's coming across as a solid town read for me.
unimprint: farside22 Not as sure about you as VMD was.
How come no imprint votes from CTD/SC yet?
Finally with SC asking people to imprint me this is what he has to say
Mind you most of his big post was calling EK scum with SC town so this post makes no sense at all.You and farside have been, to some lesser or greater degree, at loggerheads for much of this game while not necessarily calling each other outright scum. Suddenly she is a perfect third imprint, when I could have sworn we wanted two, and you're trying to hold off the nolynch until you get what you want. I don't buy it. Two imprints is enough for tonight.
KOC has been nonexistant to wishy washy with no reasoning so far. He has gone back a bit on what he said with his first post to this post and doesn't expand on anything or any reason so far.
IE: Koc looks scummy mostly for backtracking, non contribution and lurking.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Consider this more exhaustion on explaining everything, not getting answers and all my comments about buttonman today I make a great patsy for the scum team.elvis_knits wrote:I'm not sure what I want to do yet with imprints. I am not the best at strategy so I need to work with other people to arrive at a plan.
I don't know why you don't want an imprint farside. The whole "I'm afraid of being a patsy" thing could still happen to you. If you've been imprinted once scum can still argue that you're scum who got a kill imprint, lied about it, then used it another night. What I mean is, if someone dies on any future night you can still be suspected. And nobody really suspects you anyway except OMGUSSCUMButtonmen.
So... yeah. I think that people who have already been imprinted, AND who we think are town, should be first up to be imprinted again. Because it keeps the pool of possible scumkillaz smaller.
Farther than that, not sure what I think yet.
Sure someone could shoot tonight and cry WIFOM. It's partly the reason I don't think giving someone new a imprint is wise till the town feels 100% about everyone imprinted.
Nice of buttonman to answer your questions at least EK.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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If buttonman is scum not only does he keep the imprint given yesterday he gets to keep a second imprinted (whatever imprint that is) to include into himself. He can chose to use either at that point during any night (maybe day if it's a day ability) he choses.xRECKONERx wrote:KoC is moderately scummy and a good lynch, we've already imprinted Buttonmen once, imprinting him again = autoinfo. If he's scum, then he'll probably kill eventually and we can pin it back on him or you or Lim. If he's town, then we're imprinting a townie again.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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What about......xRECKONERx wrote:THEN WE LYNCH HIM
GAME OVER FOR BUTTONSCUM
you know what I'm just not going to imprint buttonman but I starting to think reck is having sound logic on lynching KOC over buttonman today.
Something just hit me.
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Not trust per se I have those issues from earlier but something he said just now hit me like a ton of brinks and I realize as much as I hate it I'm a potential lynch target in this game thanks to the imprints.elvis_knits wrote:farside, are you starting to think reck is town? Just wondering because you seem like you're trusting him at this point. My opinion of him is that I'm not hot on lynching him, although some of the old issues still stick out to me. Something about his manner is suggesting town to me though.
Anyway, I think KOC is likely scum too, and I will go for that lynch. However, buttonmen sorely needs atleast a bandwagon, and perhaps a lynch. Given the choice of lynching two scummy people, I would rather lynch the one who potentially has a NK'ING ABILITY.
imprint farside, serial clergyman, elvis_knits
I'm still thinking of keep the imprints to a small few till buttonman is lynched.
I will never be able to shake that distrust especially with the talks about vigging people coincidences and mafia never go hand and hand in my book.
Reck mentioned vigging too and it leaves a bad taste in my mouth all over but KOC is either scum or anti-town. I'm leaning scum. He critisized you and SC for attacking VMD's post but when people question his own comments he is none to be found.
Also pug is starting to bother me. As town when life is too busy and I think I'm a detrament I have asked to be replaced. To me that is the town thing to do and I'm sure people would disagree but if your town and your too busy to help or post in a game your not helping the town.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Why would I know? I was hoping there would be something different or that the mod had something with just an ability. Is it wrong?Actually, you said you wanted to wait for button and limerickx to claim before CTD posted a claim order. What makes you think that scum wouldn't be given the same information regarding their imprint?
Plus I had a doc imprint I figured (because it would be a waste of an imprint) that someone had a kill ability and wanted to see what if any claims there were and if either said they had a kill ability I would have asked more questions (or as much can be asked) of their claim.
Mostly just hoping the mafia didn't have a claim or an imprint with a name and a game reference.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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TheButtonmen wrote:@Mod;Scum's imprints stick around, but do they also stack? By which I mean can the scum becoming Vig x 2?mod wrote:- If a rogue active is imprinted more than once, they will retain all imprints. However, each player can only perform one night action per night.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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mmm I almost want to crunch numbers now.
if we mislynch today and scum was imprinted
6-3
scum shoots
5-3
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scum tries to create another mislynch with those already imprinted
4-3
scum shoots
3-3
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FOS: reck
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And yet you still managed to total not answer my questions. Congrats!TheButtonmen wrote:
Congradulations you just reposted the numbers I posted when explaining why I didn't shoot as it could very possibly end with town getting F'ed over.farside22 wrote:mmm I almost want to crunch numbers now.
if we mislynch today and scum was imprinted
6-3
scum shoots
5-3
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scum tries to create another mislynch with those already imprinted
4-3
scum shoots
3-3
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vote: buttonman
FOS: reck
Just have this bad feeling in the pit and crunching numbers.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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back when farside was more awake.
TheButtonmen wrote:
7-3 -> NK from scum + Misvig -> 5-3 -> Mislynch + NK -> 3-3 = Town loses
If Scum got a NK and I misvigged it was LyLo with 3 suspects. As such due to the 3 imprints I wasn't willing to risk taking the shot as my scum read on Elvis is about 65-75%.
With 2 imprints, if there's a NK I didn't do I knew who was scum, three removed that certainty. Without that certainty risking putting it at Lylo wasn't something I was comfortable with.
These things make no sense. IE: willing to kill with only 2 imprints not 3. Doesn't say who he thinks is scum but comments about a misvig in his analysis.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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I would have to reread limerick to get a full analysis. I don't read him as scum.Socrates wrote:I really don't want to play a game of "who's the safest lynch?" Lets just kill the damn scummy guy and we can move on from there. KOC's turbo mega lurking is miles scummier than Buttonman.
Incidentally, what is your current read of Limerickx, Farside?
Also, if I searched through your ISO looking for KOC/Vala what would I find?
Right now i have this buttonman/koc/reck connection that I feel strongly about but reck's most resent post confused me..Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Eventually KOC or Lim may want to actually........idk read the thread
farside22 wrote:So just reading KOC in isolation he came in giving a big post on the game thus far and then nothing much else.
So I have some things that concerned me that KOC has ignored completely.
Before this post he imprints me but later states the following:xRECKONERx wrote:
Farside, at first, didn't come off that scummy to me... but it seems the more she tries to defend herself, the more she digs her own grave. It's like I didn't see anything at first, but ek's attacks on her are actually showing her in a different light. It's nothing drastic, not yet at least, but she seems to be failing to defend herself properly.
= I don't agree with this. I think farside has defended herself adroitly. EK saying farside hasn't =/= farside not doing it. Elvis' whole "let's just agree you said what you said and I said what I said" shit feels like an attempt to excuse some misrep.
Both EK and myself have asked him why he posted the VMD was involved in the imprint when it was himself that did the imprint and it's an about face with no reasoning....I'm not going to get my SC lynch today am I? =/
-sigh- Very well. unvote; Vote No Lynch
imprint: Socrates I don't necessarily agree with his opinions on certain players, but he's coming across as a solid town read for me.
unimprint: farside22 Not as sure about you as VMD was.
How come no imprint votes from CTD/SC yet?
Finally with SC asking people to imprint me this is what he has to say
Mind you most of his big post was calling EK scum with SC town so this post makes no sense at all.You and farside have been, to some lesser or greater degree, at loggerheads for much of this game while not necessarily calling each other outright scum. Suddenly she is a perfect third imprint, when I could have sworn we wanted two, and you're trying to hold off the nolynch until you get what you want. I don't buy it. Two imprints is enough for tonight.
KOC has been nonexistant to wishy washy with no reasoning so far. He has gone back a bit on what he said with his first post to this post and doesn't expand on anything or any reason so far.
IE: Koc looks scummy mostly for backtracking, non contribution and lurking.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Eventually KOC or Lim may want to actually........idk read the thread
farside22 wrote:So just reading KOC in isolation he came in giving a big post on the game thus far and then nothing much else.
So I have some things that concerned me that KOC has ignored completely.
Before this post he imprints me but later states the following:xRECKONERx wrote:
Farside, at first, didn't come off that scummy to me... but it seems the more she tries to defend herself, the more she digs her own grave. It's like I didn't see anything at first, but ek's attacks on her are actually showing her in a different light. It's nothing drastic, not yet at least, but she seems to be failing to defend herself properly.
= I don't agree with this. I think farside has defended herself adroitly. EK saying farside hasn't =/= farside not doing it. Elvis' whole "let's just agree you said what you said and I said what I said" shit feels like an attempt to excuse some misrep.
Both EK and myself have asked him why he posted the VMD was involved in the imprint when it was himself that did the imprint and it's an about face with no reasoning....I'm not going to get my SC lynch today am I? =/
-sigh- Very well. unvote; Vote No Lynch
imprint: Socrates I don't necessarily agree with his opinions on certain players, but he's coming across as a solid town read for me.
unimprint: farside22 Not as sure about you as VMD was.
How come no imprint votes from CTD/SC yet?
Finally with SC asking people to imprint me this is what he has to say
Mind you most of his big post was calling EK scum with SC town so this post makes no sense at all.You and farside have been, to some lesser or greater degree, at loggerheads for much of this game while not necessarily calling each other outright scum. Suddenly she is a perfect third imprint, when I could have sworn we wanted two, and you're trying to hold off the nolynch until you get what you want. I don't buy it. Two imprints is enough for tonight.
KOC has been nonexistant to wishy washy with no reasoning so far. He has gone back a bit on what he said with his first post to this post and doesn't expand on anything or any reason so far.
IE: Koc looks scummy mostly for backtracking, non contribution and lurking.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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It's my concern too EK. I'm concerned with that if we mislynch and someone imprinted was scum they could night kill tonight.
Someone talked about imprinting everyone and risk and reward but it depends on if we lynch town. As yourself if you were scum and given an imprint that was an RB (this is just an example of a possible imprint) would you use it or kill someone?
I'm thinking even though I don't know anything about what the mod will give to players this isn't random things. I don't know for sure and I asked the mod if the scum knew in advance what imprint they would get.
He said no. But as a mod I asked myself what imprints would I give scum if imprinted. What would a mod give a scum group that has no kill ability?
I figured they would be given the ability to kill as their first imprint.
That is why when reck talks about vigging and then buttonman talked about it I felt this was an excuse to allow scum to kill. Now that limerick says he got a vig imprint I wonder if the mod if fucking with us.
In the end coincidences and mafia lead me to my vote and not just the vig comment but buttonman not answering questions. He isn't making sense about his reasoning as he never said he found me or limerick scummy.
I know I was asked to give a view on limerick but weekends are tough on me and I haven't found time to read him in iso just yetSarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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I know I have been going after SC this game but I don't know if he ever called me scum. I have had mixed views on SC from thinking scum to town. My big concern I have with SC was his push on SB over DN day 1.I'll have to disagree with this. I too was confused about the fact that you and SC seemed to be against each other, with a sudden about-face on SCs part. If I'm mistaken on that fact, feel free to correct me.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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What is your opinion of buttonman?Limerickx wrote:Farside, what is your opinion on my thought that an imprinted scum would WANT us to not imprint tonight, therefore, we SHOULD imprint.
I see pro's and con's to the imprint. Imprint someone new and if a player that was imprinted before was scum welcome to WIFOM time.
If scum was imprinted and they get imprinted again they get a shiny new ability they can chose to use any night they wish.
Basically I'm not imprinting buttonman. I think imprinting someone new could lead to WIFOM if I don't trust one of the imprintee's and if we imprinted someone already imprinted I would imprint myself but my first priority is finding scum.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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So most of my points on limerick are based on his imprints because most of it I found interesting.
I will say his case on SC at the time was understandable but looking back I haven't seen much of any other case brought by limerick that I can point to.
however later:limerick day 3 stated:
Note to Button, I agree that 2-3 imprints should run into the future, not just for one day. I think I prefer 2 to 3 at this point, but as long as the number is small, that is what is important.
pushing more on him and buttonmanLimerickx wrote:Unvote Serial Clergyman
I'll leave my imprint votes on Buttonmen and Myself.
2 imprints please and thank you.
No reason why he changed from 2-3 to 2 now.Agreed with less imprints. While I'd prefer to receive an imprint over Pug for obvious reasons, I agree that two is enough
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His read before on me was thus:Limerickx wrote:Off the top of my head (posting from my phone at the moment) I was less suspicious of EK on day one then I am now, and more suspicious of Farside early than now. Im leaning town to Farside and neutral on EK. Id rather that neither get an imprint, if i had my choice.
later that same day said:Farside: I admit I couldn't read his uber-long post. My eyes started hurting. At this point, I think another reread will be required tomorrow. Lets leave it at null for now.
In fact, I'll wrap up my thoughts on the rest and expand on it tomrorow
Also what happened between yesterday agreementFarside: Fairly townish. Not comfortable enough to imprint
And today?Limerickx wrote:I'm fairly sure you know what I meant and I am far from the only one guilty of snark this game.
Yes, at this point, I am still most suspicious of you. I removed my vote on you in a show of support for the 'imprint/no lynch' plan.
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Things that mak me go hmmmmButton, are you planning on casting any more imprint votes? Seeing as you've been imprinted, I think people would be especially interested as to who you choose to vote a second imprint on.
TheButtonmen wrote:For those clamoring for a brief summary of my thoughts; if you want longer then this you’re going to have to wait 24-36 hours.
Serial Clergyman; It should be clear I’m not his biggest fan by this point. Every time I try to give him the benefit of the doubt he breaks out more terrible terribly insane and inane logic and acts in ways that seem consistently scummy to me. However I’m no longer as convinced he is scum.
CrashTextDummie; I like the cut of his jib, he's posted quality and quantity, hope to see more from him; however he is working under the burden of my read on Messiah. Though he is quickly reversing it.
Limerickx; I’m going imprint hammer at the end of this post.
Socrates; No comment at this time.
xRECKONERx; Don’t want to see him get an imprint at the moment, I find
my read of him constantly getting adjusted downwards as time goes on.
farside22; I have nothing strikingly bad to say about farside22. Leaning town on her.
Pug89; I have nothing strikingly bad to say about Pug89. However I’d love to hear more from him, to me he’s really sitting back.
Knight of Cydonia; I don’t think he’s scum at this moment, but I'd also prefer him not to get an imprint at this time.
elvis_knits; She’s the reason I keep giving Serial a second chance as she set’s off my scummdar like no one else in this game and I’m fairly certain only one of the super buddies is scum. I think she’s scum and don’t want her to get an imprint.
Imprint: LimerickxI'd rather not imprint Farside, for 2 main reasons.
a) Keeps the imprint pool smaller
b) Goes along with my post HERE where I said that I was uncomfortable with doing more/less imprinting or lynching that what we had generally decided before everyone starting voting for imprints in earnest.
This makes no sense for reason's not to imprint another playerI don't see how this makes any sense. I have good vibes from Farside, but I don't want to imprint farside for a few reasons.
a) Only wanted 2 imprints
b) Saying I think someone is more likely town than scum =/= I know they are town and can imprint them with no reservations.
In regards to this quote:
I personally would like to do a second imprint, if only because I would feel a lot more at ease about not possibly being manipulated in some way. I also think that the extra risk of a second imprint is worth the reward, as many roles relate to other PRs (tracker being the most relevant.)
Why do you feel you it would lead to manipulation if adding a 3rd person to imprints?
Curious question @ limerick. You had a big long case on SC but voted for Reck. Why the vote on reck over SC?
I see more talks about imprinting from limerick then scum talks. I feel as a town person you should be more focused on who is scum over who to imprint. The interaction of limerick's comment to buttonman and buttonman hammer imprinting limerick with no reason makes me feel a connection could be made between the two of them.
Also some of limericks points on players and his read on them is a lot of back and forth with no reasoning (except SC/EK) can be found. He think's reck is scum but I'm not sure why? He asked about KOC but says he didn't see anything in his read.
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OMGUS vote is noted by limerick who completely missed the buttonman interaction and pushes a weak case as I pointed to his scummiess and opinion as asked.
Your reasoning for not wanting to imprint more and following others instead of holding onto your own views is noted as well.
Goes from town to scum based on one post from me talking about his scummiess.
Welcome anyone elses view on limerick and his post and OMGUS vote based on my comments of him.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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I'm starting to lean that way based on limerick reaction to my case on him which as I said he completely ignores the interaction I pointed out between him and buttonman.Socrates wrote: @Farside: Do you think it is possible that both Limerickx and Button are scum?
This is the 3rd time buttonman has asked about the questions I asked and frankly I don't feel I should point to something a 3rd time.
IE: READ THE THREAD YOU SCUM! or DIE SCUM DIE
Seems appropriate at this point
Note KOC, limerick and buttonman all were part of the imprints on limerick and buttonman.
All these things leave me with concerns. Limerick asking for a KOC case but voting on reck for a case he doesn't even quote. Right now I would go back and look to see if he had some case but I keep getting interrupted inbetween.
This isn't my mind set it was first the "coincidence" of buttonman talking about vigging then getting a "vig" ability. His I would shoot but didn't shot because of a 3rd person that was imprinted but not saying who is scum. Says he would use a doc ability on SC as he would be framed but his last comment was vigging EK so why one over the other especially when he talks about misvigging.What I don't want us to do is to get into some sort of "One of the imprintee's MUST be scum!" mindset.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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to appease people unlike buttonman I will go after limerick's post and points
So if a few people who didn't imprint any of the 2 players that were imprinted and felt one was town they should not want to imprint someone they find town?limerick wrote:As I've said before, after people had pretty much settled on imprinting 2 people, sudden changes in plan without good reason are fishy.
lim wrote:Because maybe I listened to other people who criticized my position against SC? Maybe SC is annoying, and makes no sense, but there are other reasons people can be like that other than being scum? But who knows, maybe THAT was wrong too
IE: I backtracked because I have no spine and couldn't push a case further on SC.
I think if you feel someone is scum stick with it and try to convince others of the scumminess
1) quote pleaselim wrote:1) I spoke about xRECK yesterday, specifically about nonchalantly trying to push Pug through an imprint felt fishy to me.
2) Have I ever been strongly against EK? Maybe I have, I know that I've been uncomfortable about her before, but I dont recall ever making a strong case, as you misrepresent. Off the top of my head, I don't think I've even voted for her.
I ask people to make it easy to see why they are so against KoC because I didn't see something when I did a read through, and Im suspicious?
2)E_K: I actually think E_K is less scummy than most other people. Still undecided.Elvis I pretty much don't trust myself to be sure on way or another.I was less suspicious of EK on day one then I am now, and more suspicious of Farside early than now. Im leaning town to Farside and neutral on EK.On that note: I've changed my mind on Elvis plenty during the game. Early on I thought she was town, and then scum, and now I have no idea. Her/SCs crazy buddying is just mystifying to me, and I think I just find myself not going along with a bunch of her reads, so I am inclined to consider her a little shady.
Your suspicious because most find KOC scum and you saying you don't see a case after a read seems scummy.Bad'ish' Guys':
Elvis_Knits
xRECKONERx
OMGUS vote based on
(um yeah what's wrong with pointing outpushing bad play
(in regards to EK only but so far that's it and I just quote were he called EK scum and had her at the bottom of his scum list)people who play badly)
Misrepresentation
(on what exactly?)flipflopping
(again see the point about voting for a town player and feeling someone is scum that was imprinted)criticizing players for holding positions you once had beforeSarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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1) Umm if scum was imprinted last night wouldn't they love another imprint tonight?1. Pushing poor town actions (Again, if there was an imprinted scum from last night, he would WANT the town to not imprint again)
2. Accuse me of 'switching' from wanting 2-3 imprints to only wanting 2, when I clearly said that I'd be fine with 2 or 3, then upon everyone deciding 2 was the way to go, wanting to stick with it.
3. Along with the above, you said on multiple occasions that you would prefer two imprints to three, and gave arguements for this view. Then, as soon as I got the second imprint, a movement from out of nowhere springs up to get you imprinted, the first three imprint votes ALL coming from people who originally said they wanted only two imprints.
4. You accuse me of being scummy for voting to imprint myself and button, when its already clear that there is zero reason to not vote yourself for an imprint, and make it seem as if voting to imprint Button is the peak of scumminess, even though you imprinted him as well, as did many other players.
5. You make it seem like I waivered all over the place on my early read on you, when the quotes you post clearly follow a line of "I was suspicious, now leaning town, let me reread to be sure, yeah, fairly townish"
6. Doesn't vote DN, votes Starbuck
7) Asking to go last in the imprint reveal dispite not having any role which would benefit by going last.
2) Again going with the crowd isn't pro-town
3) Yes and changing your mind based on those imprinted and knowing yourself to be town would not change anyone's mind including your own
3) 2 of these people didn't even vote on you or buttonman. If EK/SC is scum then this makes sense to link but since I know I'm not scum this link is pointless
4) I accuse you of being scummy for wanting to impring over scum hunt please get the fact straight
5) Someone talks about viging and gets a vig and you don't wonder to yourself if he's scum? Seriously?
6) Yes and I explained that earlier
7) explained that as well.
Finally when will you talk about buttonman and anything related to why he is town or scum and what he has done for the game?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Now that I answered everything. Care to imput why you felt the need to talk to buttonman about his view and don't question him more on his imprint hammer with no reason? Do you find buttonman scum hunting or more focused on imprinting in this game? What beside the gamebreak idea has buttonman done for this game?So you ignore the points actually against you and claim I ignore the Button interaction?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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SerialClergyman wrote:I think Limerick in general has an OMGUS-y style. I remember the same thing happening after I made a case against him. His post is here.
You'll notice that 2, 3, 4, and 5 all are directly related to farside's case on you.
The rest of the case (being wary about imprinting again, the votes she's laid and asking to claim last) is fair, just relatively minor in my eyes.
I actually don't mind his efforts, nor do I mind the OMGUS. I think the whole episode has made me feel better about Limerick actually.
unvote, vote buttonman
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If town do it just as much as scum then isn't it a null tell.SerialClergyman wrote:I've never thought OMGUS was a scumtell. Town do it just as much as scum do.
What I liked about Limerick was that it looked like he was genuine in his searching and case making. His points that weren't OMGUS are true, and well-researched. It looks exactly like he's a townie who thinks he's being targetted by scum and goes off to find evidence for that conclusion. It doesn't look like a strategic, constructed case.
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This is so false I can't tell you the number of times scum backtrack their views on players they know to be town and make other cases that are far weakerScum don't have to change their minds, they know who is town. Townies have to be willing to admit they can make mistakes. I was willing to see that my case on SC maybe wasn't as strong as I thought. Doesn't mean that I think hes town, just means that I'm willing to reconsider my own arguements.
I changed my mind based on your actions and views on my comments and thebuttonman I explained to death why I think he is scum. You backed off because people "critized your position". That isn't saying I went back and read on things and found a cases on others I felt to be scum.Blindly? People don't change their minds? You voted to imprint both Button and myself, now think we're both possibly scum, and you want to criticize me for being open to changing my mind?
Can I laugh at the fact that most of your case on reck was his action towards me?
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You think calling someone scum is nothing?Yes. I believe that this shows that I've never been strongly against E_K
However you said this:
When I said this about you:I dont recall ever making a strong case, as you misrepresent
So where you are using the word strongly is beyond me however your point about making a case on Reck is noted that I missed.Also some of limericks points on players and his read on them is a lot of back and forth with no reasoning (except SC/EK) can be found.
And you just completely misrepresented my point is noted as well. Pot/kettle nice to meet you.
What?I was mainly refering to you acting like people who want to talk about what is the best course of action vis a vis today are scummy.
And saying I ignored the buttonman interaction, when I didnt.
And indicating I flipflopped regarding how many imprints I wanted
And indicating I changed my opinion on you as well
What did you say to buttonman and how hard did you go after him?
You did say 2 to 3 and changed it in regards to talks from others but didn't want to budge then did budge it was a bit wishy washy
You are voting me today after calling me town for days now right?
This is just crap. You can't have both ways and say it's wrong. You can't say well I agreed with you but it's still a flipflop that's just crap.Mainly on posting on more than one occasion that 2 imprints were best, then acting like people who didnt agree when the third imprint on yourself was being pushed were doing something wrong. Note that I already said I didnt think you were wrong to WANT to have the third imprint, but this is still a flipflop.
I just looked back on day 3 and SC wasn't imprinting anyone as far as I saw that day till he imprinted me.When one (SC) has his vote on someone who, at the time of saying he wanted two imprints was voting to imprint someone (Pug) 2 votes away from being imprinted?
SC: Did you say anything about wanting only 2 imprints during day 3? I'm reading through some things but everything is becoming a blur right now.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Roleblocking someone, person A can say they RB player B for some reason I'm sure and block them.They can only use one power. What power, in your opinion would be best for them? I already said there is a possibility that there a) was a scum imprinted, who b) didnt get a NK, but that it was a risk I though was MORE than acceptable.
Why would you think they didn't get a NK? The risk isn't worth the reward if there was a scum imprinted.
What I said:2) Again going with the crowd isn't pro-town
No, but you first accused me of changing my mind, which is false. It also wasn't about 'going with the town' it was about setting a plan, and being uncomfortable with people wanting to switch to something else at the last minute.
I read you in isolation that much should be obvious based on the fact you showed people who were talking about 2 imprints over 3.far wrote:No reason why he changed from 2-3 to 2 now.
I imprinted both you and buttonman. I know myself to be town why would that be shady to me?3) Yes and changing your mind based on those imprinted and knowing yourself to be town would not change anyone's mind including your own
Changing your mind based on those imprinted when you voted to imprint both of them? You dont think a sudden mass movement for a third imprint is even a LITTLE shady? Especially when scum can talk during the day?
Why can't we do both? Why is it scummy to decide what the plan is first? You'll note I wasn't/aren't against lynching as well as imprinting, I voted to lynch xRECKx right off the bat, and now am voting for you.
priorities have been skewed more toward imprinting for most of my read on you. Not just today but the whole game.
And if Button got a vig and DID vig, and SC turned out town, you'd be ok? I doubt it. So button is a) not allowed to change his mind and let people talk some sense into him, and b) upon getting a vig, better shoot a townie, or else no matter what else he may do, he is scum. This isnt a defense for Button being a town or scum, its a defense against someone being made to look scummy for the WRONG REASONS.
Way to not answer my question. Reverse question and not answer is noted thanks
Are you not reading the thread? I asked this seriously now because I stated reasons why I could see why a NK was not performed already.
I wish I had a head slap right about now smiley.Why did I have to question him on his imprint hammer of me? Obviously he thought/thinks I'm town.
Did anyone hound you for hammering HIM? Hound me for hammering YOU? (I think you hammered him, and I hammered you, correct me if Im wrong)
I find buttonman to be scummy that is why I'm questioning him and you in regards to his hammer vote!
Ask others why they are not questioning you they should.
How many times do I have to say this. Buttonman's vig comments and such and your reaction to my case makes me lean more scum then town. You vote was completely OMGUS and I even expanded on answering it and it seriously was OMGUS based on my comments about you.BTW Farside, you imprinted Button AND Yourself AND myself, AND now think we're both scummy, but you want to harp on button and myself both imprinting each other?
I'm not imprinting anyone today. So your point is pretty mute considering my comments today.
Also reading you comments about buttonman I'm getting the impression you didn't even do a read on him and just spouted answers tot he questions.
I think we are going to disagree. Someone who makes the leap to vote someone who just presented a case to vote them doesn't strike me as frustrated but an Oh shit I got caught I better come up with something quick postSC wrote:Two points. OMGUS is not a scumtell answers your 'you see him omgus' part, and the stuff below about him being a frustrated townie feeling aggreived at being targeted answers the 'and you think he's town???' part.
Also limerick you missed some questions:Do you find buttonman scum hunting or more focused on imprinting in this game? What beside the gamebreak idea has buttonman done for this game?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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I just want to go over limericks points on you as well to see if he is making sense or talking out of his butt.SerialClergyman wrote:farside, I don't think you're on the right track and I'm not sure what the answers to your question would prove one way or another.
I was imprinting pug for a while, I have been in favour of a few different styles of imprint. I never specifically said two only (I think), but I often said to keep the imprint pool small. It's a reasonable charge to say that I changed my mind, just the conclusion that I'm scummy because of it is lacking.
I don't see why saying 'I believe in two imprints no matter what' and never deviating from that is more likely to be town.
Right now I'm not even voting limerick but he's acting sure as hell jumpy on on comments I made and blows them way out of proportion.
IE: the EK comment he says he never said anything strongly as scum against her then says well that's not strongly (like seriously wtf)
Then goes ape shit over the 2- 3 imprints over 2 imprints. He points to others who made cases that he follows and anyone who looks over a player I would think does this in isolation so him saying it's misreping again is crazy weird as looking at his defense is like well you didn't say that I was following. Um yeah because I didn't see you following reading in isolation.
Is defense has become an attack and I don't see many town players do that. (some but not a lot)Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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Sure, doesn't change the fact that you insinuated that my reads were all back and forth with no reasoning, specifically mentioning xRECK.
Where do I bring up Reck in your wishy washy ways?
Where did I use the word strongly? This is the misrep I'm talking aboutAfter asking if I had every been 'strongly' against E_K, you listed 5 posts where I, in varying degrees, say I feel uncomfortable about E_K, where you said a lot of my reads are back and forth with no reasoning, and say SC and EK are examples where this is not the case. I was informing you that I never took a solid stance on EK one way or another. Please tell me how this is misrepresenting you.
I said lots of back and forth which you post here just proves you were.
I'm claiming your focus is on imprinting over scum hunting. Scum hunting is priority number 1 in my book.You've claimed that its scummy for me to want to talk about what the best course of action is today, regarding imprint/lynching, because it means Im not scumhunting. Not 'hey, focus on something else,' but actually implied that it was scummy!
Where? Provide a post # with this please. I only saw the one in which I said it doesn't look like you read anything about him.I answerd your question regarding button, which you claimed I didn't.
The point in regard to 2-3 then 2 imprints agreeing with others and fight on it then agree to doing a 3rd imprint. It comes off wishy washy.
Yes, because people can change their mind, regardless of you acting like me relaxing my position on SC is scummy.
Your case is mostly OMGUS based except for 2 points which I answered days ago and your just now bringing up after the fact.
Most of my case isn't just you wanted 2 then 3 imprints. Again it's the lack of scum hunting I see coming from you. Your comment about noting wanting a 3rd person to be imprinted even with a town read is just odd. I know if I thought someone was town and I questioned someone imprinted I would push for a 3rd imprint of someone town.
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limerick really isn't making any sense at all to me at this point.
Just his attack on me over the 2-3 imprints. I mean really when he answers things like this:
It's just knitpicking at this point and blowing something up completely.farside wrote:
No reason why he changed from 2-3 to 2 now.
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I read you in isolation that much should be obvious based on the fact you showed people who were talking about 2 imprints over 3.
I dont see how this changes anything. You brought that up as a main point against me. You were incorrect about this.
I could go back and forth so far if anyone wants on his points and everything he dropped so far but sticks with this one like it's the end of the world. It's like he has his ears plugged and is saying na,na,na,na,na I'm not listening. At least that's how I feel about it.
.I don't know what you want regarding Button. I didn't think he was scummy, I got a good vibe from him, I voted to imprint him
I mean how could someone not know what I wanted when I'm voting for buttonman and questioning him all day today?
Why imprint someone you don't like what they said after they were imprinted?lim wrote:I've said that I havent liked his play since being imprinted. I said that I didnt like him saying hed use a vig if he got one. I havent found his play to be the best scumhunting-est. He has been more focused on imprinting (though again, that is still important)
Also a point that bothers me the most
limerick brings up the point about my vote on sb but not dn. I don't recall him saying anything in regards to this on day 2 when EK and I argued the point over and over back and forth and he was calling me either null or town at this point
The I went last point he didn't have issue with till now.
Basically if just feels like someone trying to build a case that sounds less OMGUSish. Why wait till now to say anything about this as a negative and not say anything before?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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I would but it seems even something that I consider short is walls of text.elvis_knits wrote:So I got a virus on my computer yesterday. I'm trying to get back into things. Can someone TLDR for me?
*sigh* I feel snarky thanks to reck. Okay here is the really, really short version.
Buttonman still not answering questions
limerick is acting jumping over a comment I made over 2 imprints over 3 imprints and posted a long case against me that he never brought up points on at any time during the game. Says I misreped him so far I dont' see that and contered it, flip flopped on my views (seems to not want to understand the 3rd imprint and reason's why) and there was something else but god help I don't remember without rereading it all over again.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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So why KoC over buttonman?Socrates wrote:
Buttonman seems like a fine choice for a scum buddy. I never felt that the Reck suspicion was unwarranted, and Reck's vote on KOC is about when I would expect scum to start to bus.farside22 wrote:
Who do you think is scum with KOC?soc wrote:The prize is that we lynch them. Starting with KOC, of course.
Is it you feel strongly over one over the other?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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TheButtonmen wrote:
You keep saying this, yet your not asking me anything.farside22 wrote:
Buttonman still not answering questionselvis_knits wrote:So I got a virus on my computer yesterday. I'm trying to get back into things. Can someone TLDR for me?
Dude you can ignore the fact I asked this pages ago, even though you quoted 1 and make a snarky comment and you fake you don't know wtf I'm talking about but when all you have to do is look at a person in isolation to see the question I pointed to twice now your just not wanting to answer those questions in my view.Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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I find myself in agreement with not imprinting. If scum was imprinted (which I think buttonman is scum so dont' start with the if thing please) and they shoot someone tonight our pool of people imprinted is small.xRECKONERx wrote:Elvis, your plan sucks.
We lynch KoC and imprint nobody.
Reck: I'm sure you answered this and I'm a bit tired right now but who do you suspect to be scum with KOC?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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EK did you have questions not anwsered as well. I'm going to post everything right here so it's clear as day (again) so buttonman can stop trying to pretend he doesnt' know what questions.
questions to buttonman:
If I was scum why would I not shot anyone if I was given the ability?
What about my claim do you find false and reasoning do you find false
See post 1419
Also what case do you have against me to what to see me lynched that did not satisfy your questions thus far?Sarcasm is just a way of saying how stupid you think someone is but in a more polite way.-
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