Mini 891 - British Comedy Mafia (Game Over)

[BloodCovenent]

Welcome Blood. When you get caught up, I'd like to here your thoughts on Josh Lyman issue and SB's thoughts on Budja and Fuzzy.

I'm getting a scum read on Budja.

I agree.

Whatever. I guess I not only suck at theory, I just suck at Mafia.

Lynch me, whatever. I'll be back in a day or so.

AtE

I think that voting for no-lynch is scummy, whatever it's in the rvs or mid-day.

And I'm not seeing how such pressure formed on Josh for those posts. I'm even more suspicious of Budja jumping in the wagon.

I'll ask you the following then. How is it scummy?

Now, I feel we're getting deep into the territory of theory, and I'll be the first to admit I suck at theory (mafia and non-Mafia. Theory in general. I suck. Practical experience is mainly what I rely on, IRL and here.)

ATN!!!!!!!!

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There is scum in this succession of three votes.
Personally, I think it's Budja. It feels like opportunistic voting.

I would be willing to lynch Budja or Josh. So much, that i am willing to

Vote: Josh

, even though it's only three pages into the game.

[BloodCovenent]

Welcome Blood. When you get caught up, I'd like to here your thoughts on Josh Lyman issue and SB's thoughts on Budja and Fuzzy.

I'm getting a scum read on Budja. On Fuzzy, the only thing that bothers me is the no-lynch vote. I find that scummy, but it's only that.

I think there is absolutely nothing scummy about self voting or no lynching in the RVS. I rarely see scum do it. And i'll be perfectly honest, me replacing in prohibited me from doing it myself.

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Damn alternates.

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I am not liking Lyman's wagon at all. Too quick, too scummy.

What do you suggest then?

I'm assuming that's your alt, BC?

Yep

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Chinaman

random

-voted Fuzzy on page 1 (4th vote),
(By the way, welcome BC.)

How does some one's random vote happen to be the fourth vote on some one?

And thank you.

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Would still very much like it if Josh could answer my question.

BC: if you would like either of them lynched, why Josh instead of Budja? Do you think Josh is just more scummy?

Well, specifically I felt that this post was more of an overreaction. Mostly from noob-scum. I don't see noob town speaking so confident about something that would be at the worst a null-tell, but in my opinion it's more of a town tell.

But I also find Budja scummy because of how fast he jumped on the wagon with little questioning. And in this post he says that Fuzzy's post came off as forced, well not the post but the whole gambit. Which it really wasn't, Fuzzy would have to explain his actions at one point in time, it just felt a little early from my point of view.

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Snow Bunny did not vote after the No Lynch vote.

I will not deny the gambit was weakly played. But how doe you automatically associate that as being scum? And taking little risk. If anything these types of gambits put a lot of pressure on the author until people understand the nature of the action.

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@BC, I saw it as possibly scum attempting to perform a townie action, removing the risk early is a bit over-cautious.

In that case, are all self votes and no lynch votes in the RVS, specifically given from scum? And are they really anti-town even though they yield information and start discussion? I can't see scum-fuzzy doing it because it would attract too much attention at him, like it did on page 1. Most town players do not have much to lose, that's why in actions taken like fuzzy's, it only makes sense for town-fuzzy to have done it.

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This game needs more activity..... it's four pages in and it feels like it's been forever!

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My thoughts on Lyman is that he's a town playing poorly. His wagon formed way to quick for him to be scum.

That's not true. He could still be scum. I've had a wagon form on me really fast while I was scum before, I think I had seven votes by page two of the game. I'm dead in it now, but it's ongoing. So that's all I'm gonna say.

Your reasoning is false, Just because it was a fast wagon, does not guarantee that he is town.

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Well, I didn't like the Lyman wagon either, but he's claimed, so the town should unvote regardless. His claim is one which is easy to substantiate.

Who are you to dictate when players unvote?

Uhg. I'll apologize now for saying he hadn't posted in here today (the 10th). He in fact has....it just worth anything to me and was forgotten instantly.

JL: Did you re-read through this game? If so, was that little bit toward LL all you had to go on for hunting for scum out of all 4 pages?

I haven't, actually, thoroughly re-read yet. I'm frustrated, which, if I were a better player, I would not allow to affect my play. However....

That's the second time that you have pulled the newbie card, and it's beginning to frustrate me. Please don't ever use it again, in ANY game!


Regarding your claim
-Possibility of day or night kill?

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Actually, I have a theory as to how his flavor fits...but I'm not going to post it in thread because I don't want to hand him a good fakeclaim. Just suffice it to say that I find his claim to be reasonable.

This smells fishy to me.

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So you can take the vote away from a specific player.

That does the town absolutely no good. If you apply that to a town player, then they cannot help in LyLo. Therefore town loses. If you apply that to scum, they probably still have their night kill, making LyLo situations a little bit more bearable, but their is still all the WIFOM.

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So you are a one-shot ability to turn a player into a "treestump"?

Does you know if your ability gives an alignment flip?

"Oh what's you're role name"

"I'm a lumberjack!"

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Regardless, he would still be able to talk with his scum team. Unless he became the last member of the scum team.

Aside from using it to test your theory, I think it would be a horrible idea to put that role into play. Because eventually, players would get the mindset "oh we should just lynch him because he's useless." Which I think is a very sad excuse for a lynch.

You never answered my question. Is it a day or night action.

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So there would still be a role flip.

Where did you get that from?

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I'm with Netopalis on this. If we hit scum with it, it's effectively a vig shot. If we hit town, they can spend the rest of their game scumhunting to the best of their abilities without worrying about being nightkilled.

If we use it we should probably use it on someone who's (a) smart, (b) under suspicion, (c) doesn't claim a power role. If it's a day power that would be better, easier to direct.

'dead for all game purposes' suggests to me there more likely would be an alignment flip than not?

Please don't answer for Netpolis. I would like to see where he learned the idea where we would get an alignment flip.

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damn you imaginality.... you spoon fed him an answer.

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Spoon fed me an answer? Where else would I find this from? What are you implying?

That you possibly schemed up this claim.

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Spoon fed me an answer? Where else would I find this from? What are you implying?

That you possibly schemed up this claim.

Since we're in Day One, please tell me how HE could have cooked up a scheme that I just claimed? I don't follow.

Either scum day talk or pre-game discussion regarding "If I had to Claim" situations.

It's rather pheasable.

so Josh, does your "ability" flip alignment?

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Pheasable? And no, it's really not. That's a really, really odd role which would be a horrible fakeclaim because it cannot be easily faked. Roleblocker, cop, tracker and doc can all be faked. However, this one cannot because, unless Lyman is roleblocked, we will know whether or not he was telling the truth.

I just hope you remember, this is a themed game, anything could happen. There really isn't much that you should be predicting. Also, now that you brought up the theory of a roleblocker, you also just gave him a wifomy way of making it to day two without really having to actually "prove" his claim.

Besides, something similar to his "role" happened in Battle Mafia. DTM lost his vote, and basically had the same qualities as would the result of Josh's target. I'm just saying, anything is possible. Don't limit things in a themed game.

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Lyman: Please ask for mod clarification on the flip issue.

BC: I can't predict what roles will be present, but I DO know that scum in general like safer claims that are more close to the norm. If his action doesn't go through either from the fact that he's scum or he's roleblocked, then we're no worse off lynching him tomorrow than we are lynching him today.

It gives him one more day of life, and his team one more day, considering if we myslynch, then we would be worse off today (if he were scum).

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...and

Vote: BloodCovenant

. You sound like you're rather desperate to get rid of Lyman and prevent his role from achieving fruition.

*facepalm*

Unvote:
Vote: Budja

Why do you always vote immediately after someone else?

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Even if he has the ability, I wouldn't recommend it. The benefit of this will be having a confirmed innocent scumhunter, and I doubt that if Lyman were in that position the town would follow his lead.

so who would you suggest?

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I'm beginning to not like this claim....

What if we're in MyLo, and a scum is "treestumped," and there is 1 full scum 1 TS scum VS. two townies. That doesn't seem like a logical play for the moderator to let that happen.

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...but if we were to use it on somebody crappy, then we've just got somebody crappy yammering at us for the rest of the game without any help whatsoever.

Here is why I am against what you are saying to an extent: You are saying that taking a player's vote away SPECIFICALLY a pro-town players vote.

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I mean on a subsequent day.

My interpretation is that if I target someone, they are dead for game purposes, and thus cannot be NKed later, as they are

already dead.

Do you want me to ask?

Then how the hell do we kill them?

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That's what I was trying to say. Essentially, if I read Lyman's role right, he creates an unnightkillable confirmed townie without a vote or else kills a mafia

the way that I read this claim, is that he is even unlynchable.

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That's what I was trying to say. Essentially, if I read Lyman's role right, he creates an unnightkillable confirmed townie without a vote or else kills a mafia

The way I read it is that the targeted player is just as dead as if they'd been night-killed, except they can post. (Imagine a ruleset applying to that player alone which says, "After you die you can make unlimited 'bah' posts and these can contain content.")

A player that is unkillable just seems unbalanced to me.

I think I asked this before, what happens in LYLO situations? What if the stump is scum..

Or this, what I said earlier.

I'm beginning to not like this claim....

What if we're in MyLo, and a scum is "treestumped," and there is 1 full scum 1 TS scum VS. two townies. That doesn't seem like a logical play for the moderator to let that happen.

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The player wouldn't affect numbers for the purposes of declaring a win condition because the only reason that we have preempting win conditions is that they simply reach the conclusion which has already been decided. If that player can't vote, they couldn't vote in the hypothetical situations either, and they don't count for either side.

*shrugs* I guess that you folks do have a point, though. I still maintain that it would be useful, but will grumble silently to myself in the corner.

I also get this feeling that you seem to know a lot about this "claim" with what little we have gotten from Josh, and from the mod.

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It's called reading the relevant Wiki article.

You can't take everything from the Wiki as guaranteed in this game, mods may look there for ideas, and change up the role on their own. Don't assume it's a set in stone role.

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^ just lost quite a few town points.

There is a difference between healthy discussion and game-distracting, filler which has been solved ages ago.

Can we just kill BC or a lurker now ? I have enough town-reads to want to slice off some deadweight.

Wait.... me?

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I'm going to throw my 1 OMIGUS card down right now.

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Just got a call from a friend, and I gotta go soon so I just wanted to chime in.

I think that i've said I don't like the claim either. That being said, there really wasn't much that I had against Budja. I guess it's just time where I put my money where my mouth is.

Unvote:
Vote: Josh Lyman

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I still need to finish my reread, but I do have some good points, I think.

In re: Budja, I think that the strongest argument in favor of his lynch is the fact that he really has contributed nothing to the game. In the words of David Byrne, he's "talking a lot, but not saying anything". Active lurking is one of the prime scumtells, as scum want to be active enough to avoid the lurkervote, but they don't want to stick their neck out very far, lest it be chopped off. In every post, he is agreeing with someone, in nopost does he advance a significant theory of his own.

I also am really not liking Danakillsu's vote on Josh Lyman. He's a claimed power role, and a rather confirmable one at that. To me, it's obvious that while Josh may be the play tomorrow, heis certainly not it today. Even more troublesome is the lack of any real backing for the attack on Josh other than vague accusations of a defeatist attitude. I know and understand what he is saying, but he needs to say it himself rather than having someone else make the case for him.


Vote stays on Budja for now. I could be convinced to go after Dana, though.

Would His PR make sense as a scum role?

As a side note: BC's avatar is awesome and I love Chuck!

word dude. Season three January 10th

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Well, as BC said, it doesn't make sense as a scum power role. Scum almost never have 1-shot vig abilities and the scum having a lumberjack role is just silly. The only side that it makes sense on is town.

No that's not what I said. I asked if it made sense as a scum role. This is Coney Island, of course it could make sense as a scum role.

josh, what's your win condition?

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Oh, sorry. IF you felt that the answer was obvious, why would you ask?

Seriously, though, I've never heard of a scumteam having a one-shot vig, even in coney island. It unbalances it too much to give them a second kill.

I just find it as an extremely unusual role, and remotely out of place. And I wanted to see your reaction and answer.

Josh, what is your role name?

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My apologies, my head isn't in this game right now. I'll try to put something together for tomorrow or Wednesday.

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My apologies, my head isn't in this game right now. I'll try to put something together for tomorrow or Wednesday.

Well, what I mean is, i should try to get something good tomorrow.

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Also, add me to the list that dislikes dana's entrance into this game. You don't understand the Budja wagon so you jump on the Josh wagon? There are alternatives, like, I don't know, scum hunting.

I guess i'm just not much of a fan of Budja's play style in general.


-Post 267 Deathsauce sees what i'm getting at, as I ask Net whether or not it is possibly to be a scum PR. (the 'stump' vig)
--Net automatically assumes that my question implied it was obviously a town role. So let me ask you Net, could you see Josh's role as a scum role?

Seriously, though, I've never heard of a scumteam having a one-shot vig, even in coney island. It unbalances it too much to give them a second kill.

The claim is not a vig kill to an extent.

besides, how do you know it unbalances the game? [/s

] Nvm, that looks like fishing.

Josh's ability couldn't help scum, though, and he'd have no incentive to use it.

What do you mean it couldn't help scum! of course it could help scum! A town player losing their role hurts the town.

Ok.....
First of all, there is no point in scum killing a stump unless the stump is a particularly good player, since killing somebody else puts them one round closer to LYLO. Second, this IS a town role because it is effectively a vig if it hits scum. We then become one vote further away from LYLO.

That Lylo situation isn't going to work! If it's 2 scum vs 1 townie, and the 1 scum is tree stumped, we die in endgame, and scum win.

@Josh, rolename please. (Should have asked this ages ago ).

you piggy back me, then want my lynch. Good Job.

A) He hits scum - Success!
B) He hits town - Sad, but he's confirmed and we have one less suspicious townie
C) He's roleblocked - We lynch him anyway

Setting up a lynch eh?

I could support a DKU lynch.

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Fuck it. If Josh is going to test his role, then do it. Just don't tell us who it is, don't even discuss some possibilities. Keep the scum guessing. Creating a 2-3 person list of who you want targeted is bad, especially if we're looking for pro-town players. However, everyone suggesting their top 3 scummers, is not so much a bad idea.

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That just doesn't make any sense! the two town kill the scum that isn't stumped. Then does the last stumped scum have a night kill?

ugghh..... I just think this is stupid discussion, and is remotely distracting us from scum-hunting.

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No, no, I'm saying that they essentially count as dead for endgame purposes.

You don't even know that for sure though!!! That's just damn speculation!!!

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For those who have yet to answer, please do so in your next post. I don't know why you're avoiding it. I'll post it again here:

-Do you think JL really has the power he claimed?
-If JL really has this power, do you think it's a scum PR or town PR?
-If it's a town PR, do you want him to use it N1?
-If yes, do you think we should collectively discuss who he should use it on, a list of a few people he should use it on one of, or just let him choose on his own?

Add this one too.
-In your opinion, what are the odds we wake tomorrow with a successful stump? Explain your reasoning.

Again, I would like EVERYONE playing this game to answer these questions.

-I'm about 60/40 leaning that he has it.
-He must use it on N1,
-No, we should not discuss who he uses it on.
-50% chance we will

[BloodCovenent]

Ok, sorry guys, I've been super busy with the holidays and actually getting some work hours. Tomorrow afternoon I am free. I will work on updating all 5 of my games so that means it might take a little while getting to this one, but i will try to have updates on all of them by tomorrow. if I don't, please bare with me. i have off work on monday, so monday morning i

will

have updates. So, while waiting, please enjoy this cool song.

-Love BC.

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Unvote:
Vote: Budja

You said I was your number 2 under most suspicious, yet you didn't even refer to me at all in the game at that point in time. that was the first time that you even interacted with me to an extent. Then two days later you ask me two questions and say that I was trying to act too townie. Then the next day you say i'm a null tell.

Why the sudden change?

Then you think my objections are "too overdone" for your liking, what would have been for your liking?

Why do you always vote immediately after someone else?

Because.

You are too much against Josh claim for my liking (I really doubt its fake) and I wasn't super keen on you before.
No, its not much but its a better spot for my vote.

You completely evaded my damn question!

Why are you so intent on me being lynched Budja? You have absolutely no case on me. When asked, you just dodge the question.

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well.. looks like I have been out for two days, yet nothing has really happened.

I stand by my Budja vote, Snow bunny and Deathsauce, you have both said you'd be up for a Budja lynch, mind helping me out here?

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Ok.

Unvote, vote: Budja

<3

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Still here, just waiting on stuff :X

<3 Ortolan.

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Can someone make the New Year miracle and hammer Budja?

why are you so anxious to have him hammered?

So, I might as well talk out loud here. If budja is scum, then his scum partner is likely on the wagon. If not, then he has a lurker buddy. If Budja is town, it is likely that both scum are on the wagon. Although all the scum might not be on this wagon, but that seems improbable, because I would imagine he would be lynched already if that were the case.

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So, I might as well talk out loud here. If budja is scum, then his scum partner is likely on the wagon. If not, then he has a lurker buddy. If Budja is town, it is likely that

both scum

are on the wagon. Although all the scum might not be on this wagon, but that seems improbable, because I would imagine he would be lynched already if that were the case.

I'm wondering why BC thinks that there's 2 scum.

Newbie mistake, I'm ICing a newbie game, therefore in this game and my other ongoing mini-normal i have made the mistake of presuming only two scum. I would show you... but it's ongoing. Aside from my large themed game which is actually an open setup. But in all honesty, what i wrote there I believe works if there are only two scum, if there are three scum and budja scum is being lynched it is likely that his scum buddies are on the wagon, or else they are lurking scum that aren't paying attention. It wouldn't be unreasonable for a scum to have hammered by now, and not likely to receive much flak. That's why i'm surprised i guess. If you follow me.

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Sounds like a player that's given up...I'm extremely tempted to go ahead and hammer, but I want to wait until I hear from some other players in re: BC's statements.

why are you specifically waiting for a response from me? And not Dana and Lock as well?

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Because you're the one he's actually attacked, I would guess.

he had little reasons for attacking me, then when i rebutted he said he would get to them after he reread what his attacks where, which he then never got back to me. So, there really isn't much i have to go on.

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You.....you.....you just claimed Mason! And you're asking us to go to night

without revealing your partner

! No way I'm hammering before we hear more.

And I'll go ahead and say it - I know that your little hypothesis is false because I am vanilla and have no further information or role.

*facepalm*

He didn't imply that there were NO vanilla townies.

Why is it so bad? It's entirely possible that we could make it to a 2v1 endgame with Chinaman's partner still not revealed. 2 players claim it...what happens then? Plus, it allows us to focus on one less player - confirmed townies are generally good for the town.

The two players that are masons will then proceed to lynch the scum. How is that not obvious? Correct, more confirmed townies are good when nearing endgame, not when nearing night 1.

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yea, you're misinterpreting that Net. I'm fairly certain that he meant that town had more for them in regards to power/information roles than a lets say mountainous set up. All he is saying, is these two townies, one of which i believe is him (correct me if i'm wrong) is more than a vanilla townie, because he knows of another confirmed townie supposedly. However, as i've stated it does not look like he is suggesting that there are no vanilla townies.

maybe some clarification China?

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Also, BC, in re: your endgame scenario:
No, that's not what would happen. One player is actually Chinaman's partner, another is a townie who is not Chinaman's partner and a third is mafia. None of the 3 can confirm the other.

oh, i thought you were implying china was still alive. perhaps they bread crumbed. we'll see what happens if this partner is revealed.

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I believe he was suggesting no VT's at all.

He did say he disbelieved my claim because I had no powers.

I'm sorry, but i highly doubt that. This game would be very unbalanced if there were no VT's and a shit ton of town power/info roles.

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guess we'll just wait for clarification.

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yea... i'm down for a Net lynch too.

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@Imag, ML, if you really don't think I'm scum, help me lynch BC.

dude, you have NO fcking case on me.

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please note mod, that I will be V/LA from Thursday night until saturday night-sunday morning

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Yea dude, Net dies tomorrow.

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Yea dude, Net dies tomorrow.

This is not decided.

you'd rather lynch him now? I'm down for that.

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Vote: Net

I'd say that was a good call.

unvote,
Vote: net

(L-5)

Netwagon, gogogogogogo (>'')> :arrow:

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what makes you think scum would kill lurkers? I would imagine it would be quite the opposite.

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Once more, they are both town.
I can't say this enough.

Yep, you're probably right scumja.

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hmmm... easy question, you're both scum. i don't care witch one we lynch. Notice I did indeed vote BOTH of you.

nice attempt at scum hunting.

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nope, pretty sure budja was talking about lyman and imaginality being town. which I do believe to an extent. I was calling YOU Net, and Budja scummy.

Unlike you, i believe China's claim.

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*facepalm*

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Feh, only for a couple of days.
I'd like a BC lynch if you'd switch to that (or Locke).

pull up a case, and maybe i'll switch over.

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@BC, you got a case on me?

Case on Locke is meta/lurking.
Case on you is a couple of pages back. Feel free to self-vote .

Yup.

And I couldn't find the case on me, mind refreshing my memory?

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It's also a great scum tactic Net. the more informative power roles out there that scum know, the better for them, the worse for town.

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o_o

Hello?

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Hey Net, how many members do you think are on the scum team?

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unvote, vote BC

*facepalm*

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Wait... could someone draw out the case on me? Budja, i've been DYING to hear yours. Mac, show me my posts that were scummy.

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Unvote. Vote: BC.

Mac, I really don't get it. What about me is scummy to you? Also, i'm down for a budja lynch, or a Net lynch.

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answers are in according to your paragraphs in your large post net.

Net, I think I made it abundantly clear that I did not like the claim. I didn't like how you speculated a lot and assumed a lot of things regarding josh's role. You assumed a role would flip before getting confirmations. I sincerely wanted to know where you got that from, and it took you... well, no iirc you never fully answered that question. Sorry for me being so curious about your knowledge of josh's role, it was just very suspicious.


Yes, sometimes players do 'spoon fed' answers to other players. It's rather scummy. Why would a town player spoon feed an answer to another player, no reason. Why would scum player spoon feed an answer, well it's possible that they saw their scum buddy in trouble and want to give them a way out. Or perhaps they give a town player a way out, also this buddies to two of them together sometimes. Making the likely hood of the town player willing to vote or lynch the scum helper very little.


It was interesting how quickly you dismissed the question and give little to no regard for it. Yes, i acted rather abrasively when I responded, I feel that the role could be possible in a themed game. So let me ask you this now, do you think that Josh's role is likely to be a scum or town role? why or why not?


Well, actually now I would like you to answer the spoiler'd question of mine. How do you know that scum-josh's role would unbalance the game? Besides, you called it a vig, it's not really a vig.


Ok, so you say i'm tunneling budja, I would love for you to point out where my tunnel vision is. Also, how do you determine it as a scum tell? What ferocity?You say he's an easy target to attack, why? Because he's scummy? Or what? What's so easy about attacking him?


I didn't misread fuzzy's post iirc, and I want you lynched because you reacted so awfully to china's claim. Asking for him to out his partner is so bad, then iirc you say that's a great scum move, to claim mason. I don't think it is, because that would only protect him and one of his partners for so long, that is considering you think there are three scum in the game. If there were only two scum, your 'theory' would make sense. otherwise, scum claiming mason with a three man scum team makes little to no sense at all. Would you like to know my theory? I think you are scum, and you were confused with China's claim that it threw you off, you expected him to claim his partner too, so they could confirm each other. But china won't do that, and you demand to know why. Damn right i feel threatened by your posts, why, because I'm pretty sure you're scum. Yea, I want to lynch you tomorrow because you're damned scummy.

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[quote="MacavityLock"]
what about my voting patterns are scummy? I would love for you to back that up with some evidence.

So, i'm not your top choice for a lynch, but I am your top choice for a lynch that is feasible today. yea, way to contradict yourself.

[BloodCovenent]

what about my voting patterns are scummy? I would love for you to back that up with some evidence.

Given what we know now about Lyman's claim, I don't like that you brought him to L-1. I don't like that you re-voted Lyman for his second wagon. I don't like that you easy-wagoned Budja with your second vote on him. I don't understand your Neto vote.

Unlike Netop, i didn't make assumptions and presume information about Lymans role. And I don't know why you think that I know more about than anyone else. What's wrong with bringing a player to L-1? What's wrong with revoting him? If i thought him suspicious or scummy, what's wrong with voting him again? You guys keep saying easy wagoning of Budja, how is he an easy wagon? I would like to know.

So, i'm not your top choice for a lynch, but I am your top choice for a lynch that is feasible today. yea, way to contradict yourself.

We're 2 days from deadline. It is in no way contradictory.

I disagree, you say one thing, and then say the other.

How is it not a vig?

Because the victim stays alive and is allowed to talk.

[BloodCovenent]

Unlike Netop, i didn't make assumptions and presume information about Lymans role. And I don't know why you think that I know more about than anyone else. What's wrong with bringing a player to L-1? What's wrong with revoting him? If i thought him suspicious or scummy, what's wrong with voting him again? You guys keep saying easy wagoning of Budja, how is he an easy wagon? I would like to know.

I think that given his claim, there's a good chance that Lyman is town, and provably so. If you are scum, you would happily have brought a townie to L-1 in your intro post. You also would have latched on to his second wagon in an effort to take out a power role. Budja had gotten all sorts of suspicion on him, and was thus a soft target by the time you had place your 2nd vote on him.

(This is hypothetical, just for you Net.) If I were scum, why would I care if he targets me with his action? My scum team would still have the most important ability, the night kill. I would still be alive in game, the town would likely not lynch me right away because they would probably hunt for more scum. The scum team would still have three players alive. only the two would have their possible night abilities still.

However, the town has much more to lose with lyman's role. Him hitting a powerful town role would obviously be bad. Knowing that there are more town in this game than scum, i can see how it would be very dangerous for the town.

How is it not a vig?

Because the victim stays alive and is allowed to talk.

Where do you get "stays alive" from? Let me once again remind you of his claim.

No, the player I would choose would be dead for all game purposes

, it says, except still being able to talk in the thread

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How is it not a vig?

[BloodCovenent]

Congratulations, you found where "is allowed to talk" comes from. Now, how about "stays alive"?

So you don't see the connection between "is allowed to talk in the thread" and "stay alive?"

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I don't see how either of you could have gotten that from Lyman's claim.

whatever.

Unvote:
Vote: Budja

[BloodCovenent]

No voting rights, if the player had night actions he will no longer be able to use them.

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I guess i'm not the only one that doesn't understand it Mac.

[BloodCovenent]

I guess i'm going back to the "easy" wagon.

Unvote:
Vote: budja

(L-1)

Budja wagon Go Go Go (>'')>

[BloodCovenent]

Oh, good catch, i thought I was still voting Net.

[BloodCovenent]

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Kik has not said anything yet despite posting elsewhere. If BC is scum, Kik is a good partner choice.

How does that make Kik a likely partner?

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Imag, you're Iso of Budja is just awful. You can make ANYONE look town or scummy with a PbPa. For instance, Budja's 64 is quite obvious that he wants to lynch me, and if he can't, he wants another wagon fast. See, I just made him scummy. Imag, please refrain for making PbPa's again. Also I notice you only used posts in the last 48 hours, why didn't you use other posts?

Now to my PbPa,
11 - it looks like i'm fishing? How do you see that? Where am I fishing?
33 -I didn't ride china's post, I stated before that I didn't like the claim, if you want, you can read the earlier posts of mine in iso, and find it.
39 - way to misinterpret Deathsauces post. He didn't ask, why aren't I scum hunting, he just suggested I do it. Nice try.
44 - was not omigus, I voted with reasons, unlike Budja, I have a case on budja, he has nothing on me, but wants me lynched.
48 - I think I explained that well enough in iso 49
58 - Pissed off townie
60 - So everything I say has to have my own reasons for it that are written out? You don't think it at all scummy how Net reacted to China's claim? I sure as hell did. I was willing to lynch him today too, but that's not likely going to happen.
69 - Why the fuck should I comment on a post that involves someone else? Why are you holding that against me? Unlike you, you seem to buddy up with so many players, I don't do that. I don't answer questions for lock. Budja has shitty reasons for players being scummy, and you guys seem to back him up for some reason.

If you're town Budja, and VT at that, how the hell do you know who is and isn't town.

By scumhunting and getting town reads.

Budja, you have not scumhunted at all! Nice try.

Oh, Budja, how is KiK scum? how do you gain that from his two posts?

Oh wait... way to dodge question budja.

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Kik has not said anything yet despite posting elsewhere. If BC is scum, Kik is a good partner choice.

How does that make Kik a likely partner?

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Because scum can easily choose to not post/stall making their choice until deadline.
Kik has had time to post and has failed to do so. Also I had gut/meta scum on Locke.

If you care to read me ISO, I'm sure you can find my case. Its a bit muddled but easily stronger than your "attack".

That doesn't mean Kik is scum. Unless you basing your read off of the prior player?

I did read you in ISo, I can't find it. would you mind pointing it out? I know i've asked you several times.

[BloodCovenent]

Unvote, Vote: BloodCovenant

Sorry, I got the impression from the more recent posts that there would be support for JL. I am comfortable here at the moment but have not finished reading. I have to put the girls to bed and will try and get fully caught up tonight. If Budja has done something incredibly scummy since page 13, then by all means, point it out, but it seems as though that wagon has been together for some time.

Read my last few posts against him, there is probably something there. basically, why i think budja is scum, He lurks, provides very little content, accused me of his being his number two suspect early on in the game, and then shortly after gave me a null tell, then went back to thinking I was scum. i keep asking why he thinks I'm scum, and he never commits to a case or reasons why I am scummy. Aside from that he dodges most of my questions. He played very similar to the in Pick your Power mafia, and he was scum in that as well.

[BloodCovenent]

I find it interesting that Imaginality is very interested in my lynch, and won't even allow for the both of the lynch candidates to claim. odd hmm?

[BloodCovenent]

We only have 8 hours China. Don't be unreasonable.

China isn't going to vote me. I'm his mason.

[BloodCovenent]

I find it interesting that Imaginality is very interested in my lynch, and won't even allow for the both of the lynch candidates to claim. odd hmm?

Huh?

When did I say you can't claim?

It's not that you never said we couldn't, but you never asked. you were practically trying to organize a lynch... i just find it odd that you didn't ask us two candidates what our roles were.


anyways, Budja, would you care to claim?

[BloodCovenent]

Budja already claimed VT.

must have missed that. thanks.

[BloodCovenent]

Classes started this week and i have been a little overwhelmed. I will get to this game after classes and lunch tomorrow.

Sorry guys. And I didn't notice that this started back up :X

[BloodCovenent]

Sanhora have you read the thread yet? Why didn't you use your abillity?

Not fully done yet. Am up to page 17 if I remember correctly.
As for my reason why I didn't use my power, I blame all the scummy looking players. I didn't even finish reading this game and I've spotted scum one after another. To make things worse after that, I received the shock that one of them claimed to be a mason. And in the end I'm glad that I decided not to use my ability or else there was the possibility that my next serie/movie would be about the dead talking mason partner as I hadn't seen that BC has claimed to be China's partner before.

Anyway, some questions which need to be answered asap:
Faraday - Did Jason have any reason to lie that he had asked to be replaced in all of his games?
CM - Can you give me a summary why you decided to claim mason? Also, why did you claim to be a mason, without giving us your name (As I don't think you did)?
BC - Same as above. A summary and your reasons for not claiming your name, please.


Time to finish my read.

so you didn't use your powers because there were players that were scummy, and you didn't want to use it on them because they claimed. That is such a horrible reasoning. You could have confirmed one, if not two players.

I didn't claim my name because i forgot at the time of my claiming. And what do the names have to do with much? How would you be able to tell if someone was lying by the names?

China pretty much summed up why we know we are masons.

Hi China,

Guess what? With my ability I can kill a player. I prefer to kill a player who is most likely scum with it. And I finally have the chance to look into my suspicions.

Then why do you think Josh Lied about his role?

Also, in case you didn't know, ML was having suspicions regarding you and BC. With his help, the case against you would have been much stronger than using NK specualtion.
And guess what, you're not even my top suspect.

Yea, because Mac wanted to lynch me, and China put up a decent case against him. Killing Mac was a decent scum move.


@Net: Saying from your experience confirmed masons daytalking are uncommon is like an appeal to time, you've only been around for a few months. You making that statement really doesn't mean much to me at all. And sorry, the same for you Faraday.

@Kiku, why do you want lynch analysis so freaking early? Lynch analysis means shit on day two when there wasn't a N0 with a lot of kills.

@Sanhora, why did you give lynch analysis? WHat good did it do? The only thing that probably came of it was some way to make China and I look scummy because we're working as a team to get rid of scum. That's so pointless to do Lynch analysis on day two as well, like I told Kiku. You should know that it doesn't yield much return this early. Oh wait.... no you wouldn't >.>

Will read the other wall of texts later >.>

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Players, i have to sincerely apologize. I have been completely uninterested in mafia for the past two weeks and cannot seem to get myself around to playing ANY games, even the beginning ones, or the others that are closer to deadline. Mod, i am very sorry, i hate having to replace out, but i just don't think that i am able to finish this. Maybe some time in the summer i will be able to play again.

Again, i am sorry to the players, and the moderators for me having to do this. I never expected to do it, and i'm sorry. Good luck everyone else!

[BloodCovenent]

Okay, I'll replace you too

I am so sorry Orto