Mini 901: Real Time Mafia (Over)
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Annachie Goon
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You're proposing a random lynch? A completely random lynch.Ellibereth wrote: We immediately put a majority vote on CSL in quick time as soon as the thread opens.
This is so scummy because there is no completely random lynch! The scum always know who is town, or at least not part of their scum group.
You're saying that we'll lynch CSL if we don't find someone better, and you should realise that the scum can dominate if we find someone better. (Game history shows that D1 lynches are almost always town without someone stuffing up)
Let alone that CSL's opinions and theories will be tainted by being the lynch aparent and easy to get discounted.
vote ElliberethI try not to sign things. It just encourages people.-
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Yes it does. D1 lynches are hard enough to get scum with, but you are pushing a random lynch, which with scum knowing who to targets aren't really random.
It can be hard enough to get a lynch up with the posibility of a no-lynch. Imagine when there is a default random-lynch on the table.
If you have reasons, real reasons for pushing CSL cough up because I believe that random lynching is inherintly scummy and you are advocating a random lynch.I try not to sign things. It just encourages people.-
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Annachie Goon
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I wont say policy lynching itself is stupid.
One player in annother (live) game says that good policy is to lynch him D2 after he has given his reads.
One I see a lot is to policy lynch people who claim Miller.
But I didn't see any reason for a "Policy" lynch on CSL, and none was provided. So it's random and I think random lynching is inherintly scummy.
On Jan 5(?) Zor wipes the votes and we go live and at this stage I'll be voting Elli.
If she's so dead keen on having a backup lynch or whatever she calles it straight up, let it be her.I try not to sign things. It just encourages people.-
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Annachie Goon
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This type of Policy Lynching has always been described to me as getting rid of players that youCSL wrote:Policy Lynching = Scummy.
Reasons: Lynching a player you don't want in the game. Mostly a VT, whom, in the long run if you find yourself at lylo, you'd be wishing you didn't Policy Lynch.don'twant at LYLO, reguardless of alignment, before you get there.
Tell me why you think different.I try not to sign things. It just encourages people.-
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Annachie Goon
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Not quite the same arguement but if I may paraphrase Adel: Good policy is to lynch Adel after he gives D2+ reads.
Good policy for that said player is to make Adel's claim, "Get my reads and then lynch me" and link to games where it worked, or provide some other evidence of same.
After all, if the town wins then all townies win. Even if lynched.
That is a different type of policy lynch from what we are talking about.I try not to sign things. It just encourages people.-
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Annachie Goon
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lol, forgot about the unvote.Vaya wrote:Any reason for your unvote Annachie?
Also, you should be aware that there are no unvotes allowed in this game, the only way to remove your vote from a person is by placing it somewhere else.
I didn't want my RVS ish vote to hang aroud for too long while I got distracted by a different game that's gone ballistic. (66 page D1 and counting)
Bigmc, Elli has done some scummy things but a policy lynch push on CSL isn't one of them. Calling for it to be the dafault lynch and set up as soon as possible however ...I try not to sign things. It just encourages people.-
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Annachie Goon
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Vote Manho
There is no such thing as a random lynch, because the scum in the game will be directing it.
A random lynch is a lynch for no reason, which means we learn very little from it.
It is the reason that some is lynched, and the reasons that someone votes that gives the town the information it needs to identify the scum.
I worry that an early or artificial default lynch will be a disencentive for actual scum hunting. A default lynch that developes naturally is a much better option.I try not to sign things. It just encourages people.-
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Annachie Goon
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He posted once in pregame, and is now up for prod if I count properly, without haveing posted in the game.
Mal lurks from what I've seen. He can't here.
I will shift my vote as soon as Mal participates or gets replaced. "I'm sorry for not posting" is not participating.
Remember, in this game we don't end the day when we hit a majority, so extreme vote pressure on a lurker isn't as damaging as it could normally be.I try not to sign things. It just encourages people.-
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Annachie Goon
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You know it doesn't actually help if you vote for me twice.Annachie ( 1 ) DeathRowKitty
"Hey this is a serious vote that I can't explain but isn't one of my silly votes"
That's called OMGUS. It's also in part what you wanted CSL policy lynched for.
But I'll give you your reasons on a plate if you wish.
I am against policy lynching, and against rushing/forcing default lynches. Forcing wagons like this, in my opinion, is not good. It is anti-town at best.DRK wrote:I was completely serious when I said we should start a wagon before the game starts. .... Vote: CSL, as per Elli's {{Policy lynch}} logic.
I was suggesting lurkers but ...If you think this is so terrible, then vote me for it. Unless of course you have a better lynch you'd like to suggest.
"I don't know if CSL is scummy or not but lets lynch him."Join our policy lynch wagon.
Still trying to push a default policy lynch. On anyone it seems.If you had to pick a policy lynch for this game, who would you pick?
CSL was scummy for disagreeing with policy lynching CSL, because that's the only thing I can find? Are you really going to try and argue that?Vote malpascp
CSL was scum. Therefore, malp is now scum.
Rewriting history is scummy.I wasn't seriously advocating a policy lynch on someone before the game started.
Ok, let me get this right. You wanted to policy lynch CSL for self voteing, and then you vote for yourself?Vote: DeathRowKitty because he has the most votes!
If you were doing the RVS thing, then this comment is typically scummy. If you weren't doing the RVS thing then you're saying that your last 4 votes in less than 2 days (or 5 of your posts) were, well I don't know what, but whatever it was it was scummy.This is a serious vote.
I am now forced to admit, I it was a mistake to try and pressure the lurkers. I should have been looking closer at DRK.
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Annachie Goon
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I agree Elli.Ellibereth wrote:malpascp wrote:I think DRK play seems like desperatly find something to lynch someone. This is scum thing to me. Specially in a game like this, people who play like DRK have to be lynched.
Vote: DRK
Im not asking for a claim or explanaitions. I want an hammer.
Just when I decide that I'll vote the player that seems the scummiest over the lurker, ...
FOS MalPI try not to sign things. It just encourages people.-
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Annachie Goon
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DeathRowKitty wrote:
I didn't want CSL policy lynched.Annachie wrote:It's also in part what you wanted CSL policy lynched for.Elli #28 wrote:CSL's here...anyone up for a policy lynch?
I don't know what to make of you. You're sillyness is either masking the real scum, or you're a scum trying for some weird WIFOM. (ie: Scum wouldn't act so silly)DKR #29 wrote:Vote: CSL, as per Elli's logic.
Either way, you're just about a lynch I'd accept. Add some interactions with Elli, to pick the most obvious, and it would be a lynch that could give information on other players.
Add the retcon, and well ...
We might find a better lynch of course, but I'd be happy with DRK being the default lynch.I try not to sign things. It just encourages people.-
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Juls. More the timing and the irony it provided. That and voting for someone not on his scummiest list and providing no reasoning so nothing he can be held accountable too, need I go on?
Anyway, Much as I wonder what DRK is up to sometimes, she's right about the lurkers.
Tony up for prod.
ManHo 36 hours
MalPascP 24 hours
Code: Select all
Elli 49 Annachie 29 DRK 23 Plumegranate 23 CSL 11 Mal 1 Zoraster 11 Manho 10 Juls 9 Snow_Bunny 9 Bogre 6 Bigmc 5 Vaya 3 Don_Johnson 2 (Just took over) Tony 3
Tony and Mal bottom both lists for time since last post and for post count.
Why Snow_Bunny?
I'm ignoring Vaya/DJ due to recent replacement, but Vaya has put DJ under some pressure.I try not to sign things. It just encourages people.-
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Annachie Goon
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We are also in the (almost) unique position of not having to worry about hitting a majority and ending the discussion early, so there is no reason, besides claims I suppose, to hold off from voting.bigmc109 wrote:I know, my point was that I didn't think we should rush to a majority just so we have someone set-up.I try not to sign things. It just encourages people.-
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Annachie Goon
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I'm reasonably happy with Elli's reasoning. I don't think his policy lynching idea was particulary scummy, though I don't like it.
DRK however seemed dead keen to rush through a lynch on anybody as a default, and along with other things, that I find somewhere between anti-town and outright scummy. If DRK gets flipped, and flips scummy then I would say Elli needs re-visiting due to some aparent voting patterns, and following the default lynch idea.
My main worry, as I think I said earlier in the thread, that if there had been a rushed default lynch set up, it would prevent a real lynch from occuring and that the default lynch's flip would have provided little to no evidence.I try not to sign things. It just encourages people.-
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Annachie Goon
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Do you want to clarify? Read him in this game, read him in others, policy lynch him in general?, Policy lynch him in this game specifically? Policy lynch him right now?DJ wrote:I have read CSL and have no problem setting him up as a policy lynch.
Questions and votes. Combined with Elli and you seeming to follow each other ie:"Vote CSL as per Elli's reasoning" and I have to wonder what you really have against SB. Or is it for the Lurking as you said.DRK wrote:I'm sorry; I must have missed it. I could have sworn you were just throwing an occasional question Elli's way.I try not to sign things. It just encourages people.-
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DJ, on the policy thing. That's was basically my position. That if someone was so bad/dis-reputable or whatever that they deserved a policy lynch, then they'll earn one anyway.
What I disagreed with was the using a policy lynch to set up a quick default lynch as that would probably stop a real lynch from happening and we'd learn not much from it. Or so I believe.
Elli, why vote Flareon? (Though I'm wondering if I'll be able to guess myself in 24 hours)I try not to sign things. It just encourages people.-
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Random and Pregame.Farside wrote:anachie post 38 - why is too many ideas bad?
Bah, too many games with too many newbies. I mis-read as what is OMGUSing again.Farside wrote:Annachie post 177: Way to avoid juls comment on you.
Both of us probably, though I was presenting reasons and I'm not sure DRK was.
Farside, the first non set-up theory post (How many scum groups and such) was probably DRK and I on policy lynching started by me thinking I had attacked Elli too much for calling for one. Probably part of the answer above.
DeathRowKitty wrote:One thing that concerns me though is that I said I wanted a wagon on CSL, not a lynch, which Annachie has since ignored.
Yea right, didn't want a policy lynch.Plumegranate wrote:
I beg to differ:DeathRowKitty wrote:
I didn't want CSL policy lynched.Annachie wrote:It's also in part what you wanted CSL policy lynched for.
DeathRowKitty wrote:
Join our policy lynch wagon. It's more likely to get us somewhere than a wagon for Elli mixing up his games.SB wrote: Chu chu chu!
Vote: Elli
I'm on your policy lynch wagon. Do I get your vote for that?CSL wrote: Policy lynching will net you my vote. Do not try it.
Btw, Plum's (I believe) was the most recent post on this retcon of yours. I've also posted your own posts calling for the policy lynch after your previous claim of not wanting one.
I also note that your in QT post about becoming serious and your in thread post about becomming serious, both of which didn't sound right btw, were on different days.
(QFT: "This is a serious vote." is the comment I took as becomming serious.)
Let alone wanting to policy lynch CSL for his actions in other games, then acting the same way yourself.
Change in play style, scum tell.
Retcon history, scum tell.
Random or silly play, anti-town.
Trying to get a bandwagon on yourself, anti-town.
Not claiming, despite being at L-1 twice, anti-town.
Managing to vote for both your neighbours, and out them. That can't be good for the town.I try not to sign things. It just encourages people.-
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Annachie Goon
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Yeah clearly because I haven't self voted, called for policy lynches, retconned what I've said, changed styles etc.Ellibereth wrote:DRK is town, Annachie is scum.
Assuming that the amount of town > scum in the neighborhood, DRK claiming and revealing his neighbors was the right thing to do. If DRK was scum, and he claimed such (when his lynch is looking already all but inevitable in face of the deadline), it would virtually confirm two members of the town after his flip.
We have 2 hours to get Annachie lynched.
I've merely stood by what Ive said and voted the most scummy, so I'm obv scum because those are such strong scum tells.I try not to sign things. It just encourages people.-
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Elli. Name one thing that I've done that is scummy.
Tell me that DRK's actions dont make him look scummy.your reasoning shouldn't make somebody look scummy, their actions should
Tell me how trying to force a default policy lynch on a player at the very start of the game helps town more than scum.A scumtell is something that scum have more motivation to do than town
I don't think you've ever mentioned any reason you've had for voting me except that I'm against poliy lynching and voting DRK. (and voted you as well)I try not to sign things. It just encourages people.-
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You've had two hours, time you spent trying to drive a wagon on me and claiming my ISO was scummy as hell.Annachie wrote:Elli. Name one thing that I've done that is scummy.
But you are yet to provide one thing.
Just one.
Doesn't matter now that the day is over.
Now that you've made my position in every other game I am in untenable, I'm left with no choice.Elli wrote:BTW, something Annachie said in another game made me think he was scum here, but it's ongoing.
Mod: replace outI try not to sign things. It just encourages people.-
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and thus my problem reveals in all it's glory.
Scum in this game driving towards a lynch and no night break, scum in a rapid 5 player game with Eli that had just started. One optimal strategy for Vengence mafia was for me to dribble scum because if Elli got lynched in that game scum looses. But anyone looking at that game with the both of us in it might have assumed that that was the one Elli was talking about and voted me here. Let alone a flip here affecting that game. If there had been a night break I would have had time to ask people for advice, and in the end I over reacted. Oh well.
Specifics.
1: I suspect that next time the mod needs to be a bit more careful selecting players to make sure that they are high activity type people.
2: I don't think the balance was that bad but I had a lot of time thinking of when I'd use the bussing power, and I didn't get many good answers. I bet that Ani might have felt the same about the re-direct.
3: Not sure. I was just about to advise the other scum to hold off on the kill to try and suck information. I think the kill could have been used tactically to mess with the votes and really screw the town over.
Personally I think town lost to being manipulated too well and people not paying full attention/getting lost.
4: I noticed that watching.
Zor, I was so disapointed that I felt I had to replace out. This game interesed me most of all and is the one I regret leaving. I'd happily play again, though maybe with a couple more players and perhaps a gun smith or a JoaT
Maybe not so much "twilight time" at the start of the game either.
DRK, I assumed that the various QT's would be pulic after the game and have no problem with it.
Fishy, Juls, Farside. I lost count of the number of times I screamed at you while reading the scum QT.
Also, after being called 'her' a few too many times in other games, despite the male gender sign and claiming to have fathered multiple children, I've stopped playing using the Annachie ID. Using something else now.I try not to sign things. It just encourages people.-
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