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@Sera, are you still sticking to your SK claim? Or did you retract it?
What do you mean by unrealistic? The power, or the flavor, or both? And I don't know what you mean by "automatically everyone else is?"MonkeyMan576 wrote:
You're willing to go along with his unrealistic claim, so automatically everyone else is?Jahudo wrote:What happens if we try to kill someone who is unlynchable? I feel like this question came up in a fl game before...
I'm willing to go along with Sera's claim for now. I don't need to know his abilities or junk, but he better not get lazy. Better not.
Vote: MonkeyMan576
I have no reason to believe or disbelieve his claim right now. With a fl game I know to keep an open mind, so I want to see how things unfold.
1) What, the part about anyone being lynched regardless of them being in the game or not?Vi wrote:
1) It's in the rules.Jahudo 44 wrote:What happens if we try to kill someone who is unlynchable? I feel like this question came up in a fl game before...
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2) Tomato, tomahto. Lynching is a form of killing.
Or he'll hurt the game's flow. Regardless, he's already made the vegas odds for an early exit. All too many times we've seen a player implode for one reason or another that hurt the town. I don't want to rush a lynch and find out he's town that gambited wrong.Vi wrote:
...or what?Jahudo 44 wrote:I'm willing to go along with Sera's claim for now. I don't need to know his abilities or junk, but he better not get lazy. Better not.-
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If he needs a prod, I'll come up with something. I am very interested in the possibility of Sera being scum, and when I find him doing something scummy I'll report it.Vi wrote:
Is that really the best threat you can come up with? You don't seem to be interested at all in the possibility of Seraphim being scum.Jahudo 53 wrote:
Or he'll hurt the game's flow.Vi wrote:
...or what?Jahudo 44 wrote:I'm willing to go along with Sera's claim for now. I don't need to know his abilities or junk, but he better not get lazy. Better not.[stuff that isn't really relevant at all]
I'm treating his day-kill like a vidge that kills on Night 0 until I have a reason to think its a scum kill. I'm treating his claim like someone who's playing a gambit in a Tarhalindur-style game, which could become a good strategy as town. Do you think either of these things is scummy?
Werewolves of Millers Hollow, that's the game I was thinking of too. He might be lying about his claim, and still be town. I just want to be sure what he is, because from what Sera's already done and said we should be able to decide whether we want to lynch him right now.Yosarian2 wrote:I'll admit, I'm rather skeptical; last time I saw someone claiming that on day 1, they were lying. What's even more frustrating, they were a lying pro-town role, and when we lynched them (because of course you should always lynch someone who claims to be unlynchable) it did serious damage to the town.-
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Where are these percentages coming from? Under normal circumstances the first two options are a good enough gut feeling for me to test his claim, but I wonder if we're trying to outguess the mod this way.Yosarian2 wrote:There's about a 60% chance he's just flat out lying scum. In that case, we lynch him.
There's about a 30% chance he's town telling the truth. In that case, unless he gives us a reason not to, we speedlynch him, confirm his claimed ability, and then move on quickly rather then waste any more time debating him today, if he really is unlynchable and if lynching him really dosn't end the day. If there's some reason we shoudln't do this, Serephem, you'd better fill us in fast.
The other 10% chance is that he's a lying pro-town daykiller who's acting like kind of a VI this game, killing townies at random and then lying about being unlynchable (that level of VI-ness dosn't really seem to fit what I know about Serephem, so I don't find it that likely). If he is, then hopefully he'll confess and tell us the truth as soon as he realizes we're serious and actually are about to lynch him, and then we can hopefully get this whole confusing mess sorted out.
Even if he didn't claim unlynchable, I'd be voting him right now until he gives a better explination for that daykill. Since he did, though, there's really no reason for anyone to NOT be voting him right now.
What about the possibility that Sera's telling the truth as town, but another force unknown to us allows the lynch to go through anyway? For example, anyone in this game can be lynched according to the rules. What does that mean for contradicting claims and people not in the game?
Oh hey, Rule 18 added. I'm amazed I forgot this...it's kinna important-
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This doesn't confirm all of Sera's role to me. I think he still has to earn townieness through his play.
Just to clarify, does this statement apply to both third-party scum and mafia scum, or just one type of scum?Yosarian2 wrote:If Serephem flips scum, my main suspect is probably going to be Snow_Bunny.
If Sera is in the mafia, Jebus and xofelfs non-commiting stances to the giga drill breaker would be a waste of easy distancing, so I wouldn't look to them first as scumbuddies. Chaco and MonkeyMan's FoS'es were strong enough to lay the groundwork of distancing.
If Sera is town, his early unlynchable claim would have stalled scum's opportunity to suspect an easy target. Only Vi posted before the claim, and it looks like normal Vi behavior (measured logic as scum or town) to me.
Snow_bunnys post 63 looks scummy if Sera is town or scum. The condemnation of a bad play is strong enough to be distancing, and stocked with emotive words that scum sometimes use to come across as naturally concerned about a townie death (same thing as commenting on a NK in a "yay dead scum" or "boo dead townie" manner).
The acceptance of the claim makes sense for scum to be discouraged about losing an easy target:
Or dropping the issue of his scumminess if there's a trigger to make scum-Sera lynchable.snow_bunny wrote:though Seraphim's action may seem scummy, there's really nothing to prove his role wrong
Vote: Snow_Bunny
I'm still mildly suspicious of Jebus and xofelfs lack of content.
MonkeyMan's overlooking the lynch scene in p58 is lazy but not scummy.
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Not for the whole game, at least. I find it plausible that scum could have something like a 1-shot protection from a lynch or kill, that is either natural or a result of a trigger. If scum are overpowered in that way, there's likely something in place to underpower scum or overpower town again.
Personally, I'm leaning Sera as town but I want him to still be motivated to be pro-active.
I don't expect anything in this setup, but I'm open to nearly all possibilities.-
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Double voter doesn't make sense based on previous wagons. Secret voter could be possible, either town or scum I guess.
If its going to show up on the vote counts, we just have to be aware of it until we have a better idea of the how and why. Because of it, though, I have a mild suspicion on fl. Her comments inserted into posts feel overly coy in this situation.
That reminds me,
@Everybody: Do you think the mod is a player (ie: has a role PM/win condition) in this game? Why/why not?
My opinion: Yes. Why: See tarhalindur or natirasha's mind screw games, fl's own poof mafia marathon game.-
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@MonkeyMan: Did you think Chaco was at L-2 before you placed your vote? Did you check the vote count and read the posts before you before making your own post? Why did you miss Socio's post?
@Cobalt: Did you check the vote count and read the posts before you before making your own post that said Chaco was at L-1? Why did you miss Socio's post?
Valid point. He either missed Socio's vote change or was trying to make Monkey's unexplained vote look even worse. Monkey's agreement that he thought he was at L-1 looks suspicious whether he was paying attention or not.SocioPath wrote:
That is complete falsified lies. Monkey never placed a L-1 vote. Chaco at any point has never been at L-1.Cobalt wrote:You placed the vote without mentioning it. I usually see people calling for a claim or something when someone hits L-1.
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Over eager scum it seems like you may be.
@SocioPath: Do you still think Monkey and Chaco are scumbuddies? Where does that place Cobalt? Third-party or another scumbuddy?
Socio, if you have a post restriction, I want you to vote me in your next post.
I can believe the power considering Sera's day kill was also a one-shot, IIRC. You've been V/LA too much for me to get much of a read. And I think you claimed prematurely, but I don't think that was your doing because Cobalt and Monkey both indicated L-1.Chaco wrote:I'm Anti Spiral Void, however, I am town. Think of me as an auto lyncher. I have a one time shot that allows me to lynch a person instantly. If you want me to prove this, I have no qualms with killing Socio.
Can you give examples?Vi wrote:At this time I'm on the fence about SP; half his posts are things I can fully agree with and the other half (like this most recent one) aren't.
I like his latest post for pointing out the thing that probably caused a premature claim. His no lynch concern might be over-the-top, but he's right to prefer scumhunting over theory talk right now. His pairing of Chaco and Monkey over one post looks premature and reaching, but at least he's looking at them individually too. I haven't noticed his vote hopping to be affected by group opinion, so it doesn't look opportunistic and jumpy at the moment. Overall I get a town feeling on him.-
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I don't like that day kill. A man must always confront another man before he kills them.
xofelf and Jebus are V/LA. I highly doubt Sera's role allowed him two day kills a day. Chaco's real power can make him an unlikely killer here. Monkey and Cobalt look like red herrings from Socio's focus on them.
It's either Yos or snow as they're now pushing the Monkey lynch, who is a red herring and has looked like an easy target all day. Most of his posts I'd put under playstyle (not alignment) tells based on a previous game I had with him. Monkey looks like a mislynch waiting to happen.
Vote: Snow_Bunny
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You can see that I had already eliminated the other players from my thought process. I was looking for the killer, not all the people suspecting Monkeyman.Yosarian2 wrote:I find it odd for you to single me out.
However, Cobalt or Monkeyman could be trying to make the other look like the killer. I need to read again and see if that makes sense along with the general timing of the kill.-
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My 2nd suspect is Cobalt.
-Lots of posts but not much scumhunting within those posts. Some fluff and nosie posts. More setup and theory related posts that look like he's trying to stay active. But not much scumhunting.
-Cases on xofelf for lurking when she's not the only lurker; Socio for vote hopping, which is a valid point but Cobalt does not have a tone of suspicion over Socio so it looks soft; and Snow, which doesn't give a reason except the implied reason of lurking (he held back in thinking she was V/LA as opposed to lurking).
What have the lurkers done that is scummy? Can you restate your top scum reads? They seem vague to me, but this post suggests confidence.Vi wrote:At least two of the scum in this game are in {Jahudo, Yos2, one of the lurkers/nonparticipants}.
What's currently bothering me is that I wouldn't mind lynching Snow_BunnyorJahudo; I don't think both of them are Mafia though.-
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I suppose I could help people put sunglasses on their avatars, though fl seems to be having alot of fun.
Let me know if Kison's taking too long.
I tried looking for the killer among the people that look scummy in general, like S_B. If that means finding the scum-killer, great. If that means finding general scum, great too.Yosarian2 wrote:
Wait...so you're not looking for scum in general, you're just looking for the guy who made the daykill?Jahudo wrote: I was looking for the killer, not all the people suspecting Monkeyman.However, Cobalt or Monkeyman could be trying to make the other look like the killer. I need to read again and see if that makes sense along with the general timing of the kill.
The killer possibility is not the reason I'm voting S_B though, its the scummy behavior.-
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I'll trust you only if you're right. But if he flips town, then we can't trust you. And if we can't trust you, you must be lying scum. And if you're lying scum, we lynch you tomorrow. That sound about right?Snow_Bunny wrote:Monkey is scum. Trust me.
In the meantime, xofelf can you tell us what you think after reading the game? Top suspects? Townie people? Do you believe the claims?-
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I still don’t see the case on Monkey, but S_B’s confidence wouldn’t be a very good scum strategy. Maybe they’re both town, I’ll have to read some S_B meta.
@Seraphim: Where would your vote go if Jebus was replaced today? Would it stay on the replacement, or move somewhere else?
@Chaco: What do you think about S_B’s confidence in Monkey being scum? Do you think it makes more sense coming from town or scum?
@xofelf: Are you suggesting that we lynch, or even consider lynching, a player that has already been killed?
I don’t think speculation will get us anywhere in a setup that feels complex. Best to analyze the things people have said. So:
Xofelf: What do you think about Cobalt and MM misreading the vote count on Chaco?
What do you think about S_B’s confidence regarding MonkeyMan’s alignment?
@Snow_Bunny: Do you think scum aren’t given safeclaims from people in team Dai Gurren? If so, wouldn’t the game be breakable by a character claim?
Do you think only MM was going for an easy mislynch on the voting miscount, or do you think Cobalt or someone else was in on it too?
@Vi: Was New Age Mafia really a year ago?
When you say town Yos never has a vote, does that mean there’s never a vote of suspicion on him when he plays as town? Was he ever lynched in your games?
When you say Monkey doesn’t see D2, does that mean he’s always lynched D1?
When you say Cobalt’s play is not out of the ordinary, does that include fluff spamming?
@Yosarian2: Where would your vote go if Jebus was replaced today? Would it stay on the replacement, or move somewhere else?-
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I’m starting to like Snow_Bunny continued confidence. It plays into her limited townie meta (which could mean nothing because I can’t find scum meta) and shows she’s not second guessing how she’s leaving herself open to attacks.
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I am reading Yosarian2's recent actions as mildly suspicious for the following reasons:
1) Vague suspicions on MonkeyMan and SB allow for potential backtracking because they were not defined. There's also the potential for stacking lynches because he pairs Snow_Bunny and MonkeyMan in such a way that could later mean they look like partners, or one looks more scummy if the other is town (cuz they suspect each other).Vote:Monkeyman
Really, really odd play coming from him.Snow looked scummy, but she's not a lurkerI think both Snowbunny and Monkey have acted scummy so far this game.
These reasons and relationships need to be defined before the day is done.I do find both snowbunny and monkeyman somewhat scummy, for different reasons.
2) Focuses on lurkers that aren’t interacting with him. I think he’s gone past prodding Jebus and xofelf to the point where he's not into the group conversation as much. This feels bad to me because he's critical of lurkers for not being in the group conversation.
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What's your definition of the group conversation? Mine does not include setup, theory or general gameplay talk. It does include stances and questions for the other players in the game when multiple people find a reason to focus on them. You have made vague observations about several people, but mostly and recently Monkey and SB.Yosarian2 wrote:
I think it's absurd. I've been a big part of "the group conversation" all game.Vi wrote:Yos, what do you think of Jahudo's accusation that you're "not in the group conversation"?
The lurker focus isn't a big deal now that I remember that's how you play. I disagree on how best to handle lurkers, but I can believe that you mean it when you're town.-
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@lurker voters:
What is the endgame of voting a lurker like xofelf, who I believe is just having V/LA issues? Do you lynch them if they don't show up after a certain period of time? Say deadline is today and nothing is changed. Would you rather lynch xofelf, who has little-to-no connections, or someone like Jahudo who could have connections with everybody? Me, I'd vote Jahudo. But that's just me.
Why? Is it an overall feeling you have from her focusing on you? Or does a particular post or posts maker her sound like a lyncher?MonkeyMan wrote:I'm getting the increasing feeling SB is my lyncher.
We had someone claim because they thought they were at L-1 and could have been hammered. How does that fit into the early stage of the game?Yosarian2 wrote:Anyway, at this early stage in the game, what's wrong with a general, somewhat vauge, "I think person X is acting oddly" gut based comment about a player? If I had some specific scumtells Monkey had made that I wanted to point out, I would have.
Let's see how you were involved in that group discussion:
Vague suspicion and setup talk. Did you really not have a specific scumtell on Monkey to point out from that event?Yosarian2 wrote:unvote
Vote:Monkeyman
Really, really odd play coming from him.
We will want to test Chaco's claim. I suggest that we wait until we've decided to lynch someone today and then, instead of hammering that person, we have Chaco do it. Otherwise, him using his claimed ability costs us all the information from a normal bandwagon, which seems like a bad thing.-
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My votes and the people that have voted me. And if you want to include the lurkers I don't want to prod, although I could find suspicions once they become active. So what would you do at deadline, anyway? Of the people that haven't done anything, are they worth keeping around? Not that this is anything more than a hypothetical situation though.Vi wrote:
What connectionsJahudo 426 wrote:@lurker voters:
What is the endgame of voting a lurker like xofelf, who I believe is just having V/LA issues? Do you lynch them if they don't show up after a certain period of time? Say deadline is today and nothing is changed. Would you rather lynch xofelf, who has little-to-no connections, or someone like Jahudo who could have connections with everybody? Me, I'd vote Jahudo. But that's just me.doyou have, anyway?-
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@xof: Can you post some game-related opinions? Even if its only about 1 person or 1 event while you rest up.
@fl 448: I agree
I need to go back to this because I still don't see the slip here. I thought Monkey was saying that only scum know for sure if team gurren characters can be fakeclaims, so you can't confirm someone based on character. Does Monkey actually say he thinks Kamina is more likely scum than town?Snow_Bunny wrote:Then we have the enormous slip about Kamina. He doubts Kamina is town. Why would he doubt about this if he had a townie role? This makes no sense! I know we should throw logic away, but when scum is so blatantly obvious we can't just ignore it.-
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xofelf, there was a reason he claimed which you can find by reading other player's posts around that time.
I guess I should have seen that coming by asking for a read on 1 player.
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S_B for once, stop kicking reason to the curb! Having a protagonist character role does not make you a townie!
Bleach Mafia: Soul Society
Inoue Orihime, an obvious good guy (girl), is in that game’s mafia.
Twilight Mafia
The mafia is the same as the bad guys in the first book, but they all got different fakeclaims of good guys in the book.
Futurama Mafia
The mafia consists of Fry and Leela, who are the main protagonists in the series.
Batman Mafia
Robin, normally a hero, is part of the mafia with some villains while the riddler and two-face, typically villains, are part of the town along with batman.
OOTS Mafia
Scum are given fakeclaims with both obvtown and not so obvtown characters. Townies are given character roles with obvtown and not so obvtown characters.-
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I was going to post random Gurren Lagann cosplay pictures, but we need to get back on-topic.
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Vote: Cobalt
1) Why vote someone who can't be lynched? You say he isn't posting but,
2) You aren't posting either. So get to posting. And answer my question.
I have also lost patience on the anti-content people, but I think they should replace out or commit to the game. Modkills and policy flaker lynches are a waste of our day.
So as of right now, I don't want to use (or can't use) today's lynch on the following people: Seraphim, Jebus, Vi, xofelf, Chaco, Jahudo, Snow_Bunny.
That leaves Yos, Monkey, and Cobalt. Not necessarily in that order.-
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You are thinking of Chaco, not Cobalt. Chaco should still be the one to hammer from L-2, but Cobalt is the one that mistook L-2 for L-1, fluff posts, and is now active lurking.
Meh, you're free to keep thinking I'd defend a scumbuddy but that doesn't sound like fun.
Its WIFOM coming from me, so take this with a grain of salt, but I love to bus, bus, and distance.
You remember the distancing right? Xofelf is a liabillity I would have ditched on page 1.
No, I'm discouraging a lurker lynch because we are essentially on Day 2 and you don't get good bandwagon analysis from a policy lynch. How is this point not valid?-
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I see where you're coming from but in xofelf's case I believe this is how she has played in every game of mafia. I don't know if there's a way to distinguish anti-town town behavior from anti-town scum behavior.
One solution I'm hoping for is a role to take care of the situation, like a cop or vig, but if I feel there is no better lynch at deadline I will join her wagon. I don't have a reason to believe she is town, but I have reasons to place other people ahead of her in my scumlist.
What about my attacks?Yosarian2 wrote:Your attacks, your whole behavior today, really seems off to me, Jahudo.-
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Xof's lack of content is not a scumtell in my opinion. I see it as a playstyle tell. Really I can't find a single scum or town tell on the girl. Lynching her before I have a reason to think she is scum (besides random odds) make it a bad lynch for me right now.
Vi, didn't you say yourself that we're getting what we should expect from xof? I know we shouldn't excuse her for that, but how sure are you that this is a good lynch for finding scum?-
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Jebus was fairly active day 1 in Kirby Mafia, had some bursts of activity in Mafia 86 and was a complete spammer in Martyr Mafia. Martyr was a more recent game whereas the other two happened when he was still new, which is why I still think he's playing uncharacteristically.
I'm not taking into effect content vs non-content posts. Just activity.
Kirby Mafia
25 posts over 39 game days = .64 posts per day
Night 1 = Oct. 11, 12, 13
Mafia 86
48 posts over 102 game days = .47 posts per day
Night 1 = Oct. 7, 8, 9
Night 2 = Oct. 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26
Night 3 = Dec. 8, 9, 10, 11
Night 4 = Jan. 18
Martyr Mafia
103 posts over 75 game days = 1.37 posts per day
Night 1 = Feb. 22, 23, 24
Night 2 = Mar 27, 28, 29, 30
Gurren Lagann
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Jahudo Mafia Scum
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- Location: Cleveland, OH
I'd rather get the quite enthusiastic replacements into the game immediately for a fresh perspective and to see if we can get an actually read on the people who have posted no content.
You have four days to deadline. How about this. I will give you all a 24 hour extension. I want you all to decide and vote on whether you want Jebus replaced or not in that time.
(Basicalle, starting now, deadline is pushed back 24 hours. However, at 11 PM EST tomorrow, I want a decision on Jebus)
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Jahudo Mafia Scum
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I've taken a step back and realized that my xofelf read hinges on the belief that this is her playstyle regardless of alignment, which I haven't researched more than a brief look. I'll give a complete look at her past games and if I'm wrong I will agree that she could be scum, the AtE could be a legit scumtell, and she should be lynched.
Jebus should be replaced immediately.-
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Jahudo Mafia Scum
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He seemed enthusiastic about the theme in his first post, so I don't think its lack of interest. And he is playing in other games, so unless he gives a defense, I don't think its lack of time.
I am suspicious of him because he is a usually a serious mafia player and active, but I am more suspicious of more active people like Cobalt. I wouldn't mind giving the Jebus player slot another game day to see what a replacement does with it.-
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Jahudo Mafia Scum
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I asked myself, who the hell do you think xofelf is? Here's what I found out:
Analysis: This is typical townie play for xofelf to say she's going to catch up and post some content, but doesn't. She is far more active as mafia and 3rd party, and plays with a purpose. She also is replaced out alot. Gives personal reasons alot, which were real when she was town before, and looks real now.
Conclusions: Replace xofelf. Don't lynch her.-
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Jahudo Mafia Scum
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Jahudo Mafia Scum
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Just between xofelf and Jebus, or are we including Seraphim and Cobalt? I could play the odds game and say you probably have one town between the two of xof and jeb, but nothing from their posts has indicated either alignment. Xofelf's excuse looks external, not game related. I don't know what Jebus' problem was, but I could guess reasons that were external that caused him to neglect one game but not others.Vi wrote:Incidentally,
Do you think this is the case?Jahudo 521 wrote:If the lurkers are town
Anyway I'm glad to see slicey here. Now I know why I made him that avatar
catch up soon guy!-
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Jahudo Mafia Scum
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Jahudo Mafia Scum
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Gotcha. If I had to find 1 scum and had two lynches available I would go {Cobalt, MonkeyMan} or {Cobalt, Yosarian2} before I went {Slicey, xofelf's replacement} for the best chance to find 1 or even 2 scum.
I would take {Slicey, xofelf's replacement} before a few other pairs of people I had town feelings on {Seraphim, Chaco, Vi} and maybe even S_B; her single-mindedness looks both anti-town and not a scum strategy.-
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Jahudo Mafia Scum
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Jahudo Mafia Scum
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@Yos: Your defense in 427 supported my original hypothesis, so I still like my case.
@Slicey: Read the mod's red text in post 456. FL practically says the flavor in the first paragraph of the opening post is true. Anti-Spirals can be town. Scum is somebody new. Does that change your theory that a force lyncher is also a cult recruiter?-
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Jahudo Mafia Scum
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How do you know this?Slicey wrote:I have information that a cult is in this game.
Okay, maybe this explains my concern. At first I had no way of knowing how strong your confidence was in the vote. You kept saying his play was "Odd" in the original vote post and again in 427 to the point that I thought you were putting together a strong case but was being purposely vague about it.Yosarian2 wrote:I said all along that I was voting Monkeyman based on some oddities in his play, some things that seemed strange to me; it was never a strong vote, but at the time it was the best I had to go on. When you asked me about it, I explained what they were in some detail.
I still have a bad feeling about you, but I'll downgrade it to odd play-
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Jahudo Mafia Scum
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Jahudo Mafia Scum
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Jahudo Mafia Scum
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Jahudo Mafia Scum
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@Yos: Is this the post you say Ray is attacking SB?
@Ray: How do you interpret that Snow is 100% confident about who is or is not the recruiter from that quote?RayFrost wrote:
Feeling 100% confident that slicey is not the recruiter is noted.Snow_Bunny wrote:Hmm... I'll believe the cult thing now. I've never played a game with a cult before, though. However, though one would think the anti-spiral claim can be from a cult leader, I don't think it is. A fakeclaim would have been better (wifom included). In fact, I believe its even more plausible that Slicey IS the cult recruiter. But that's not the case either. (I even liked the theory that Kamina could be a recruiter)-
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Jahudo Mafia Scum
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You'd think I'd have a big bullseye painted on my forehead.Vi wrote:Hey Slicey, vote Jahudo with me. Chaco's day is coming.
Vi wrote:why are we not hunting the freaking Mafia when they are right in front of us?
Vi and Slicey, I'm waiting for you to put forth a more tangible case. So stop dancing around the issue and challenge me!Slicey wrote:I think we should be more focused on finding scum.
I don't understand where I'm conservative. That "standing out" you're talking about is called LEADERSHIP.Vi wrote:Jahudo still gives me terrible vibes. Play is very conservative yet very Town-looking, something that I know Agent J is good at but also something that stands out terribly against the other players.
I don't understand how I'm shallow. Am I asking too many questions? Or are the questions unjustified?Vi wrote:11) Jahudo - Played with once over a year ago. Play was similar to this game; however here it rings as extremely shallow - similar to a common accusation against me, "asking questions to divert attention/look Town". Except I'm always Town, so.
I don't know what you mean by motions. It sounds like an empty word. I did not back off that accusation quickly, but go ahead and explain how I did. How am I not backing up my suspicions and scumhunting? Am I the best example of these suspicions you have?Slicey wrote:This is just one example of why I'm so uneasy on Jahudo. To me at least, he just seems to be going through the motions. He makes an accusation but then backs off pretty quickly. I have a day off tomorrow, so I should have time to look at him more closely to seem if my suspicions are valid enough to make a case on him. But to me, he just seems to not really be scumhunting and just throwing out suspicions but not backing up on it.-
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Jahudo Mafia Scum
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Jahudo Mafia Scum
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Jahudo Mafia Scum
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Jahudo Mafia Scum
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I doubt we have a 3-man mafia but I like to play on the safe side when it comes to massclaiming. And I like the information we get from it. So I'm okay if we do it.
I didn't know it was Chaco, hence the question.MonkeyMan576 wrote:Jahudo knows Chaco killed a townie but he's okay with it? I don't get it...
@Chaco: When did you submit the kill, because you posted 2 minutes before the mod locked the thread. Why didn't you tell anyone you were going to hammer, since you were posting at the end of the day?
Back when he was Cobalt. chamber hasn't done anything to sway me either way. I voted because I think he's scum.Slicey wrote:Jahudo, when did you ever say you thought chamber was scum? And why would you vote right away if it's MYLO?
Did Chaco give a character claim? Why are you comparing characters with a role? I think scum could have a fake claim, so I don't understand this.Slicey wrote:If we do have a Cult Recruiter, it's almost certainly Chaco, because the only two other roles that had any chance of being Recruiter were Simon and Kamina, with a very small chance of it being Kittan, who are now all dead.-
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Jahudo Mafia Scum
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