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Yes.Papa Zito wrote:
First post, TDC votes Archon using Nuwen's argument.TDC wrote:vote: Archon
Do you disagree? If you think it's unusual, why do you not comment on it?
"Opinion" on my bandwagon. Nuwen mirrors this later, as discussed.TDC wrote:I don't see anything unusual in it.
My post clearly references the post directly preceding it (which as you may remember, was several posts of either of us after your vote), in which you fish for other people to give you reasons why you voted her instead of, you know, just saying them yourself.
Another TDC-Nuwen tie. TDC doesn't like that Nuwen has been voted.TDC wrote:Call.
Why are you singling me out on this? Several people enquired.
Is that the royal we?We should keep these in mind if one of them flips scum.-
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Why would we want to keep someone alive who we think is not the Chosen?MiteyMouse wrote:I've been thinking about what Zorblag said and the connections that we all have had to each other before this game. It's very likely that one of us that have played a lot with others in this game are probably not the choosen one. That might narrow it down a bit. As, we want to keep that person alive....having them alive is a big asset to us.
That goes directly against what we should actually try to do, which is keeping alive the Chosen.
What, so you go three straight days without posting anything and then inform us of two days v/la?AshMC1984 wrote:I'll be V/LA for 2 days. Posting this in all my games.
I pursued what? I didn't vote Archon for anything meta-related (which seems to be Nuwen's argument you qualify as flawed, correct me if I'm wrong), I voted him for refusing to "random" vote, yet offering nothing else to start off discussion.BloodCovenent wrote: I agree with PZ's analysis regarding TDC and Nuwen. Nuwen's argument is flawed from the very beginning, yet he pursued that with haste. TDC is making decisions based on others arguments and such. Seems like an easy way out for him possibly.-
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My game with Nuwen is on-going and started just a few days before this one, hence I didn't count it as "experience".Zorblag wrote:One reason that I wanted Nuwen to chime in before I did this is that no one claims to have been in a game with her which is odd as apparently I found 4 people she's played with or had modding interactions with by one party or the other.
That should be ah2190 and ClockworkRuse instead of Archon and afatchic, shouldn't it?Zorblag wrote:Actually, another question for everyone in the game: If you had to choose any 4 of the following players to exclude as the chosen who would you pick and why?
Archon
AshMC1984
BloodCovenent
afatchic
MiteyMouse
nadroj15
Nuwen
Papa Zito
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I need to look at games of everyone before I can say much.-
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Makes sense, I guess.
I've had a glance at how often everybody's been lynched as town, and from that I'd think:
Papa Zito, BloodCovenent and myself (though I realize I'm hardly objective on that one since I've only looked how often people got lynched (and how late in the game), while of course I knowwhy Igot lynched when I did.
Fourth spot could go to either Nuwen or nadroj (who is a bit of a wild card, with as far as I can see, only one completed newbie game?)
Backup if there's two scum in the above: MiteyMouse.-
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If we lynch someone we're pretty sure is not the Chosen (based on being hard to lynch) and that person ends up actually being the Chosen, I think it would point into Nuwen's direction.Zorblag wrote:I do think that the lists have value even though Nuwen was in the other game. Unless Nuwen was scum in this game her being in the other game doesn't change anything at all. Even if Nuwen was scum (and Raivann is now) the four players that Raivann lists will give us information later on to look at when determining if he was trying to manipulate us.
Of course anyone could've read along with that game (or perhaps come to that conclusion without doing so), but she was actually there.
At least, it would rather speak against a scum team consisting of two relative newbies.-
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How do I fit into that picture? My join date predates any of the three, yet my result is the same as nadroj's.BloodCovenent wrote:Mighty Mouse : Joined: 18 Sep 2008
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Meant to write AfatChick Accidentally deleted the wrong one when I copied the list from post number 1.-
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This is still making no sense, because you put me in the keep category.BloodCovenent wrote:
Not sure, was just going down the list, didn't really research anyone's games or anything. I've heard that you were a relatively pro-town player. I'd rather have players in the keep category that were known to be clumsy and make mistakes, or ones that i have no knowledge about.TDC wrote:
How do I fit into that picture? My join date predates any of the three, yet my result is the same as nadroj's.BloodCovenent wrote:Mighty Mouse : Joined: 18 Sep 2008
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Meant to write AfatChick Accidentally deleted the wrong one when I copied the list from post number 1.
Based on what you've just said (and the earlier join date argument) I should've been in other.
I'm not really sure what your motiviation would be to mislabel me, but still.-
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I don't see anything that would suggest he replaced out because he was scum.BloodCovenent wrote:
KubrickTDC wrote:Why's that specifically directed at me?
Can you post the link to that game?
Furthermore I remember seeing games in which he was lynched as scum (i.e. didn't replace out).
Kind of moot now that Ash's gone though..
I don't think a vote that is declared to be for pressure, actually produces pressure.Papa Zito wrote:Anyway,unvote; vote: Raivann. Pressure produces results.
Second slip of that kind. Does this happen often to you?Zorblag wrote:I meant we as a game there.
afatchic wrote:I didn't read rule 11, and i was thinking 2 scum= no QT thread.
I'm not liking this "look, I must be town, I have no idea about things scum would know" theme you've going there.afatchic wrote:I didn't read the scum Pm's on the first page, and didn't realize they knew who the Chosen 1 was until Papa Zito just pointed it out.
You do realize that this line of thought only makes sense if Ash is scum?Herodotus wrote:Nuwen jumped in to answer it for him and stop the line of discussion before Ash could make a slip.-
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This is still bugging me, and I don't think you've replied to it.TDC wrote:
This is still making no sense, because you put me in the keep category.BloodCovenent wrote:
Not sure, was just going down the list, didn't really research anyone's games or anything. I've heard that you were a relatively pro-town player. I'd rather have players in the keep category that were known to be clumsy and make mistakes, or ones that i have no knowledge about.TDC wrote:
How do I fit into that picture? My join date predates any of the three, yet my result is the same as nadroj's.BloodCovenent wrote:Mighty Mouse : Joined: 18 Sep 2008
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Meant to write AfatChick Accidentally deleted the wrong one when I copied the list from post number 1.
Based on what you've just said (and the earlier join date argument) I should've been in other.
I'm not really sure what your motiviation would be to mislabel me, but still.
I agree that Raivann's list doesn't look all that random.
I also agree that the mafia's power to influence the list Troll has compiled is limited. For it to be hugely inaccurate, they would've needed to purposely reverse select the excluded.
Which, as I said, is something I would, if from anyone, expect from Nuwen. Raivann's "random" list kind of ties into that.
It allows him not to give reasons for his choices and still further the current trend (which if they reverse selected, is exactly what he'd want to do).
unvote, I think I was still voting Archon.
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I wouldn't mind a Raivann lynch. I agree that he's the best lynch of those that are really unlikely to be the Chosen.Zorblag wrote:It looks like Special Ed and TDC are the only ones who aren't voting at this time according to the last vote count. TDC just unvoted; I wonder who his top suspect is at the moment and why he's not voting.
Would still like to hear from BloodCovenent before we end the day, though.
I do realize that he's in a bit of an gray area with you and afatchic in regards of whether he could or could not be the Chosen.
I wasn't voting because I didn't know whether it'd be the hammer and I didn't want to end the day just yet.
vote: Raivann.
You can look up all my games in my wiki, too.Special Ed wrote: First describing your experience with Mafia on this site and i total, as well as some general impressions on how Day 1 usually goes here.
Mod: With lynches now mandatory, are night kills mandatory, too? Seems unfair if they aren't.-
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PapaZito, me, Raivann. If any of us three is the Chosen, the scum have either purposely reverse-selected or not made any effort at all to steer who the Chosen was going to be.Zorblag wrote: Right now who would you say on your own are the least likely to be the chosen (apparently Raivann makes that list based on your vote.)
-Zorblag R`Lyeh
I had put BloodCovenant above Raivann, but I appear to be pretty alone on that.
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Both possible as far as I'm concerned. I don't really have a read on her, though.Zorblag wrote:TDC, in that case, what are your thoughts about MiteyMouse as potential scum or the chosen at this point?
As far as 2:7 mountainous goes, that's worse than F11 (the current newbie setup), and scum win that one pretty often.-
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Can. You. Answer. My. Question.BloodCovenent wrote:
concerned?Herodotus wrote:Papa Zito wrote:Saying things like a random lynch "won't hit scum but might hit the Chosen one" is a scare tactic. And it's also factually incorrect: a random lynch is twice as likely to hit scum as it is to hit the Chosen.@Mod: Could you clarify this? Are the scum potential targets for the random lynch?
Either way, I think it should be avoided, but knowing is better than not knowing.-
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TDC wrote:
This is still bugging me, and I don't think you've replied to it.TDC wrote:
This is still making no sense, because you put me in the keep category.BloodCovenent wrote:
Not sure, was just going down the list, didn't really research anyone's games or anything. I've heard that you were a relatively pro-town player. I'd rather have players in the keep category that were known to be clumsy and make mistakes, or ones that i have no knowledge about.TDC wrote:
How do I fit into that picture? My join date predates any of the three, yet my result is the same as nadroj's.BloodCovenent wrote:Mighty Mouse : Joined: 18 Sep 2008
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Meant to write AfatChick Accidentally deleted the wrong one when I copied the list from post number 1.
Based on what you've just said (and the earlier join date argument) I should've been in other.
I'm not really sure what your motiviation would be to mislabel me, but still.-
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Okay, so the synposis of the past page is that MM plays slightly differently on facebook.
I still agree with the Troll that given how little information we have, not lynching the Chosen is much easier (both by pure chance and through deduction) than lynching scum.
And provides much more information if it fails.-
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dj: But dry-fit's problem was not mitey anyway. Had mitey been lynched, he still would've lost. He needed to get Hero lynched.
Hero's choice didn't matter either. The game was decided when Hero was confirmed.
Which makes dry-fit's mitey vote pretty much a losing strategy, because it was bound to do just that.-
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