Mini 790- Skywalker Mafia: Game Over

[MafiaSSK]

/confirm

[MafiaSSK]

Hi.

I'm a Miller



(and like that the random phase ends...)

And the Miller WIFOM begins.

[MafiaSSK]

Yay, go true PR's.

[MafiaSSK]

Wow Zaz. That's difficult. :O

If you break your restriction, is that a modkill? o_O

It says 'in re', so I am not sure...

Wait does that mean you would be removed?

[MafiaSSK]

@Zwet - to lynch that person or to lynch in general?

Lynch that person in Tar games

[MafiaSSK]

I'm always suspicious of miller claims.

Vote: TheAdmiral

Millar lynches are good D1 lynches.

Vote:ThA

[MafiaSSK]

I'm always suspicious of miller claims.

Vote: TheAdmiral

Millar lynches are good D1 lynches.

Vote:ThA

or easy d1 lynches in any case.

No. They're good Day 1 lynches. You do not want millers getting to Lylo or anywhere close to it.

[MafiaSSK]

I'm always suspicious of miller claims.

Vote: TheAdmiral

Millar lynches are good D1 lynches.

Vote:ThA

or easy d1 lynches in any case.

Wait, are you chocolate?

[MafiaSSK]

This reasoning would force us to lynch 2 millers - assuming ThAd isn't lying.

2 lynches = 2 nights for scum. ;/

Thats assuming a 2nd miller claim. By the time we get there hopefully we'll have more information/interactions to examine. Not just lynch a miller straightaway. That said, I don't mind an Admiral lynch.

Unvote

I think I might be the other miller can't quite tell from my role info though.

[MafiaSSK]

I think I might be the other miller can't quite tell from my role info though.

That is very intriguing. Please elaborate.

I'm a chocolate townie, paraphrasing here that the cops will have a great time with me. no win condition was included in the role

[MafiaSSK]

Orto, I've already sent a PM to Zwet asking such

[MafiaSSK]

Wait, are you chocolate?

I am indeed! Hello my chocolate brother.
Where you also told of another of your ilk in existence?

Also i find it odd that your role pm had no win con, as mine certainly did.

anyway if one of us dies now the other will most likely be confirmed as town, so that is not too bad.

Yes, I was.

Zwet has just now sent me my win con.

[MafiaSSK]

Wait, are you chocolate?

I am indeed! Hello my chocolate brother.
Where you also told of another of your ilk in existence?

Also i find it odd that your role pm had no win con, as mine certainly did.

anyway if one of us dies now the other will most likely be confirmed as town, so that is not too bad.

Yes, I was.

Zwet has just now sent me my win con.

EBWOP, Just you that is.

[MafiaSSK]

Millar lynches are good D1 lynches.

Ah!... Oh no... now you claimed miller too...

Does that mean you offer yourself up? lol.

I suppose I do.

MafiaSSK, were you also informed of another miller in your role PM?

Yes.

[MafiaSSK]

in any case, having read my role pm again, it does state that the other chocolate person will be town aligned.

I think the whole zazier thing will provide a rather annoying distraction for the entirety of the game. Could the scum please choose her for the nightkill?
(no offense, but at least you'll be free of it too)

I suppose mine does as well.

[MafiaSSK]

I was voting for MafiaSSK because of his wishy washy claim. It looked like he was setting himself up to claim miller if we investigated him. The chocolate thing is cool and makes me want to take my vote off him, but the no win condition bugs me too. Care to clarify Mafia?

@Zazier, single digit wise only the number seven has more than 1 syllable. Space out your numbers and type "sev" for seven. I apologize in advance for not responding to ying, will try though.

There was literally no win condition in my role. I had to ask Zwet.

[MafiaSSK]

MafiaSSK, were you also informed of another miller in your role PM?

Yes.

I'm always suspicious of miller claims.

Vote: TheAdmiral

Millar lynches are good D1 lynches.

Vote:ThA

Why do I doubt this claim? Ans in quotes^^

'Cause I couldn't tell I was a miller. Ask if there are any counterclaims. I dare you.

[MafiaSSK]

in any case, having read my role pm again, it does state that the other chocolate person will be town aligned.

I think the whole zazier thing will provide a rather annoying distraction for the entirety of the game. Could the scum please choose her for the nightkill?
(no offense, but at least you'll be free of it too)

I suppose mine does as well.

Sup?! Please give a 'yes' or a 'no'

Why?

[MafiaSSK]

what is it (paraphrasiN')?

My win condition?

[MafiaSSK]

paraphrase your win condition as requested please SSK

i win with the non-scum faction

[MafiaSSK]

MafiaSSK, were you also informed of another miller in your role PM?

Yes.

I'm always suspicious of miller claims.

Vote: TheAdmiral

Millar lynches are good D1 lynches.

Vote:ThA

Why do I doubt this claim? Ans in quotes^^

'Cause I couldn't tell I was a miller. Ask if there are any counterclaims. I dare you.

Though you knew there was a mil in the game. Did you ask for a coun then? Hy.

I didn't know a chocolate townie=miller.

[MafiaSSK]

in any case, having read my role pm again, it does state that the other chocolate person will be town aligned.

I think the whole zazier thing will provide a rather annoying distraction for the entirety of the game. Could the scum please choose her for the nightkill?
(no offense, but at least you'll be free of it too)

I suppose mine does as well.

Sup?! Please give a 'yes' or a 'no'

Why?

Be if you do not, you have an ea way out.
'Yes' or 'no'?

Fine. Yes.

[MafiaSSK]

that is different to my win condition

Unvote
Vote: MafiaSSK

It was a stupid paraphrase. I can't say the t word.

[MafiaSSK]

that is different to my win condition

Unvote
Vote: MafiaSSK

It was a stupid paraphrase. I can't say the t word.

EBWOP:Forgot the tw word. I mean town by that.

[MafiaSSK]

you didn't need to, that is still different from my win condition

Paraphrase yours then

[MafiaSSK]

What is it roughly?

Paraphrase yours. NAO

[MafiaSSK]

that is different to my win condition

Unvote
Vote: MafiaSSK

It was a stupid paraphrase. I can't say the t word.

I'm a chocolate townie, paraphrasing here that the cops will have a great time with me. no win condition was included in the role

't' word^^

EBWOP:Forgot the tw word. I mean town by that.

't' word^^


Ad has no pro as well with the 't' word by look at his posts. Ex, NAO.

It wasn't a PR. It would have been full quoting had I used town.

[MafiaSSK]

MafiaSSK and ThAdmiral, given that you have claimed Millers (aka Chocolate Townies), can you also reveal your character roles?

The one that knows,thinks, and feels nothing.

[MafiaSSK]

Eh?

Nvm,

The Shining

reference.

Not ac lur. Would it be scum if he was?

Out of all the games I've replaced in here, the majority points to scum. What about you? Have you replaced many games? Have you replaced more often as scum or as town?

We might as well bank on these odds, you know? And possibly his a scum.

I've also replaced into a lot of games and have got mostly town.

[MafiaSSK]

MafiaSSK - so you had no indication of a miller in your pm?

Except for that cops would have fun with me.

[MafiaSSK]

Last time I looked this game was not bastardized, but I suppose it is. Leave it up to a bastard mod to do that.

@Zaz: Informational purposes for the moment. I understand you cannot vote, but where would you be voting if you could? Could you FoS or something please so we know where you stand on certain issues?

@Mafia- Is there anything that could confirm your alignment or Thead's allignment that we could know? I mean could goon's be chocolate too?

Thead's alignment should be town.

[MafiaSSK]

What?

[MafiaSSK]

I was replying to the huh.

[MafiaSSK]

Zazier, what are your questions towards me?

[MafiaSSK]

Last time I looked this game was not bastardized, but I suppose it is. Leave it up to a bastard mod to do that.

@Zaz: Informational purposes for the moment. I understand you cannot vote, but where would you be voting if you could? Could you FoS or something please so we know where you stand on certain issues?

@Mafia- Is there anything that could confirm your alignment or Thead's allignment that we could know? I mean could goon's be chocolate too?

Thead's alignment should be town.

A 'should'. Last time I ask, it was 'yes'.
So, ex.

The role was talking about how there would be another chocolate

townie

but Zwet might be a bastard mod and the townie actually be scum

[MafiaSSK]

For cla, what does your role Pri Mes say a the o mil?

that there is one and it's a chocolate townie

And, I would like you to re to this:

Can we lynch one of the mil now? Rox has claimed af he has re his win con, that he had no in of a mil in his role Pri Mes (see this). Ac to Ad, the mil part was sta with his win con. Which to me means that he does not have the same win con as Rox.

Or as Zwet said he made some minor modifications with each role PM he sent

[MafiaSSK]

In to see that both mil are back- now.

Do you real see not ad that you are a mil, while sta this in Ad his role Pri Mes (as the two of you claim) as mi mo?

Mhm

[MafiaSSK]

In to see that both mil are back- now.

Do you real see not ad that you are a mil, while sta this in Ad his role Pri Mes (as the two of you claim) as mi mo?

Mhm

Is this an ans

Yes. The mhm means yes.

[MafiaSSK]

I don't know, because I was not given one. Zwet lost it

Stop repeating that and give us a List of Suspicion

[MafiaSSK]

Ah Rox, you are back. Does this mean you will now re to this?

In to see that both mil are back- now.

Do you real see not ad that you are a mil, while sta this in Ad his role Pri Mes (as the two of you claim) as mi mo?

Mhm

Is this an ans

Yes. The mhm means yes.

I dis. If Ad had not claimed that there is a se role of his out there, you would not have known that you are a mil (if all the claimed stuff is the truth). Tell me how that is mi.

Al, I was won a two o things as well.
Why did you not ask for your win con af you had read your role if you in had no win con?
Why did you not vote Ad im?

I was guessing I was a miller but wasn't sure. Ad confirmed my beliefs

[MafiaSSK]

And you need to ex some here, Rox

?

[MafiaSSK]

MafiaSSK: if your role explicitly states there is another miller who is town and chocolate, why did you ever suggest ThAdmiral was a good day one lynch?

You can never be 100% sure of anything.

[MafiaSSK]

I am fairly certain zaz is town. Nothing but helpful comments and a post restriction with counted violations. I am not sure how lynching someone you think is town gets you much more information than we had to start with. Would we not get more information from lynching a claim? If those "millers" sit there till lynch/lose and some of us think they could be scum they will sit there till the end of the week with at least some investigative roles being quite useless on them.

Amazingly agreeing with this post.

[MafiaSSK]

I need to do a reread and post my thoughts on all the players.

[MafiaSSK]

So when are we lynching Sting?

Af:
-Some re (for Threep, Lab and Sting)
-A good case.

(And I can on ham, so no vote from me e if he de it >.<)

Are there any good cases going around?

[MafiaSSK]

I need to do a reread and post my thoughts on all the players.

But how is this go?

I'll post the results once I have time to.

[MafiaSSK]

Back. Reading what I missed

[MafiaSSK]

Damnit. Kise said what I was going to say about scummy millar. I had it all saved up on my notes and everything except, it wasn't so long.

Unvote, vote Kise

[MafiaSSK]

Damnit. Kise said what I was going to say about scummy millar. I had it all saved up on my notes and everything except, it wasn't so long.

Unvote, vote Kise

And by Kise I mean millar

Unvote, vote millar13

[MafiaSSK]

*Yawn*

Azhrei is still scum

ThAdmiral is still not reading the thread (replace out if you can't be bothered playing properly)

How so?

[MafiaSSK]

The problem is, the reason for why I am scum. Isn't actually for seeming scummy. Just not being seen as pro-town, which often gets you lynched anyway.

You. Scumhunt now. Post a LoS

[MafiaSSK]

Azhrei. I already accused him/her/it and then voted

And who else?

[MafiaSSK]

Its not going to change anything, my wagon is already rolling. I have played too many games not to realize this. Not going to battle my wagon to hard, because my death will actually be beneificial to the town in the long run

Still scumhunt. Make your death more beneficial.

[MafiaSSK]

Ok, first of all. No more PR.
I don't want to state why as it has to do with my role.

Can you still vote?

[MafiaSSK]

On Rox:

-Voting claimed miller only after somebody else did, while saying millers are always good D1 lynches.

How does this contribute?

-Not asking the mod for a win condition at the start of the game.

It said Chocolate

Townie

. I didn't neeed a win con

-back tracking regarding confirmed millers.

?

-''Quoting'' the part of him knowing, thinking and feeling nothing from his role PM , while not wanting to quote his win condition.

I didn't want another violation

-Not asking the mod if he was a mil, while guessing he was one at the start of this game (had not seen this one before)

I wasn't necessarily thinking I was a miller

-Still not having giving his list (scummy, because he wants to hear one from

"M"

, while not giving one himself) He also has not explained why he thinks

"M"

is scum, other than stating that he agrees with Kise

Where did I say this

.

[MafiaSSK]

@all - Do we really need to lynch him to prove he's town? It's not like we ever suspected him to be scum in the 1st place, so I don't understand how he's so contrived to come in and declare he has a method to prove he's townie.

No, we do not need to lynch him to prove he's town. This reminds me an awful lot like the Judas role. No one has suspected him, so now would be the perfect time to lynch, claim strawberry

townie

and then go on towards end game. It's also really stupid of KoC to try to lynch himself anyways. It would count as a no-lynch and then we'd go to night where mafia would kill one more townie meaning one more kill closer to LYLO.

[MafiaSSK]

Except when I block my lynch, the day DOESN'T end, SSK. Nice to know you're reading.

Oh, well. There's still the possibility of you turning Mafia on us.

[MafiaSSK]

@all - Do we really need to lynch him to prove he's town? It's not like we ever suspected him to be scum in the 1st place, so I don't understand how he's so contrived to come in and declare he has a method to prove he's townie.

No, we do not need to lynch him to prove he's town. This reminds me an awful lot like the Judas role. No one has suspected him, so now would be the perfect time to lynch, claim strawberry

townie

and then go on towards end game. It's also really stupid of KoC to try to lynch himself anyways. It would count as a no-lynch and then we'd go to night where mafia would kill one more townie meaning one more kill closer to LYLO.

KoC had already said it won't end the day. So if you don't believe that he's town, you can always work to his lynch if he's telling the truth.
If he's lying, he will be lynched, which I don't think a town player would lie about, so we'll get rid of one scum.

So what's wrong with this?

Fine.

Unvote, vote KoC

(L-1)

Also, anything you want to say about my case against you?

You responded?

[MafiaSSK]

Well, I do not know how Judas roles work. Do they have to become scum to win? What happens if they survive until end game or are night killed?

No. They start off as town but know that once they are killed(usually in any form) they become part of the mafia team. Their win condition then changes such to the scum.

[MafiaSSK]

That's.... it???

Yea.

[MafiaSSK]

On Rox:

-Voting claimed miller only after somebody else did, while saying millers are always good D1 lynches.

How does this contribute?

-Not asking the mod for a win condition at the start of the game.

It said Chocolate

Townie

. I didn't neeed a win con

-back tracking regarding confirmed millers.

?

-''Quoting'' the part of him knowing, thinking and feeling nothing from his role PM , while not wanting to quote his win condition.

I didn't want another violation

-Not asking the mod if he was a mil, while guessing he was one at the start of this game (had not seen this one before)

I wasn't necessarily thinking I was a miller

-Still not having giving his list (scummy, because he wants to hear one from

"M"

, while not giving one himself) He also has not explained why he thinks

"M"

is scum, other than stating that he agrees with Kise

Where did I say this

.

-

How does this contribute

You say that millers are good day 1 lynches. Yet, you didn''t vote the claimed miller right away. Only after you noticed a vote against the claimed miller, you voted as well. This gives me the impression that you didn''t want to draw unwanted attention.
But answer this: Why didn''t you vote the claimed miller right away when you think a claimed miller is a good day 1 lynch?
-

It said chocolate

townie

. I didn''t need a win condition

Then explain this quote:

Orto, I've already sent a PM to Zwet asking such

-

?

You first stated that you supposed that ThAd was confirmed town. Later when I asked if he really was, you said yes. Later, you said that the other chocolate

townie

could be scum as Zwet could be a bastard mod. In the end, we''ve also got this quote:

MafiaSSK: if your role explicitly states there is another miller who is town and chocolate, why did you ever suggest ThAdmiral was a good day one lynch?

You can never be 100% sure of anything.

The latter quote because you can never be 100% sure. Also in that latter question, it never said that there was another Miller only another Chocolate Townie. So I had no clue that ThAd was town and as it is usually approiate play to lynch millers early, said that ThAd was a good D1 lynch.

I wanted to make sure that I was indeed Town in the former quote.

-

I didn''t want another violation

The part of the win con came before the part of not knowing, feeling and thinking anything. So how could it have been another violation?
Real reason?

Or rather I should say a single violation. The Win Con is a very important part of the role that Zwet may or may not have wanted quoted and was not in the rules.

-

I wasn't necessarily thinking I was a miller

Then please explain this quote:

I was guessing I was a miller but wasn't sure. Ad confirmed my beliefs

That's saying the same thing.

-

Where did I say this

:

Damnit. Kise said what I was going to say about scummy millar. I had it all saved up on my notes and everything except, it wasn't so long.

Unvote, vote Kise

I deemed it useless and thus deleted that notes page.

[MafiaSSK]

I trust Zazie & Krer. If I told why, it'd compromise the three of us. So, despite what Zaz & Krek may say or do, I know they are not scum.

How much do you trust them? 100%? The flavor usually does say the truth.

[MafiaSSK]

We don't know if the mafia can recruit.. all we know is that Kemp is about to have a meeting with them.

It could either be flavor, or merely a story zwet came up with. No need to rush to conclusions.

Did the Night 1 flavor have anything similar to this recruiting tactic?

[MafiaSSK]

@SSK, Post 910.

-You didn't respond to my first point.
-Uhm, are you saying that you couldn't tell if you were town or not regarding point 2
-The quote from the third point was after you found out that ThAd is a claimed chocolate townie. Also, in your response, you made it sound that ThAd is town.
-So you think that the Win Con might be important, yet you claim that you didn't need one. Contradictory much?
-I still would like to hear your reasons for voting Millar.

-What was your first point?
-Yeah.
-Which quote?
-It's necessary yes, but I could guess my win condition from the wording of my Role PM. If I got badgerered by Zwet for an action then I knew I would have had a different win con then the Town one. But just for earliness sakes, I asked Zwet for one.
-No.

[MafiaSSK]

I trust Zazie & Krer. If I told why, it'd compromise the three of us. So, despite what Zaz & Krek may say or do, I know they are not scum.

How much do you trust them? 100%? The flavor usually does say the truth.

Examples?

Of how flavor states the truth? Just in this game or can it be in otherS?

[MafiaSSK]

@SSK, Post 910.

-You didn't respond to my first point.
-Uhm, are you saying that you couldn't tell if you were town or not regarding point 2
-The quote from the third point was after you found out that ThAd is a claimed chocolate townie. Also, in your response, you made it sound that ThAd is town.
-So you think that the Win Con might be important, yet you claim that you didn't need one. Contradictory much?
-I still would like to hear your reasons for voting Millar.

-What was your first point?
-Yeah.
-Which quote?
-It's necessary yes, but I could guess my win condition from the wording of my Role PM. If I got badgerered by Zwet for an action then I knew I would have had a different win con then the Town one. But just for earliness sakes, I asked Zwet for one.
-No.

EBWOP: By no I mean I've completely forgotten them and should thus

unvote

[MafiaSSK]

Ah yes, meta and charges of failure to hunt scum. The last bastion of a failing attacker, either scum or town. Well, if Sajin feels I have not been hunting scum, she might want to go back and read the game again. I have only completed 4 games here, so I am not sure how effective my normal scum hunting techniques might be. From other sites and in my personal experience, people who lie, mischaracterize, misrepresent, or try to unreasonably stifle information gathering are scum. I do what I can to catch people doing those things and guess what, Sajin is a textbook example. I guess that is not scum hunting if the person being caught is Sajin.

Any other tells you'd like to add to Sajin's case?

[MafiaSSK]

Thats not scum hunting, thats OMGUS. You have been scum with me before, you should know how I play as scum better than anyone here. Of course that also means I know how you play as scum. You have been breadcrumbing and only counterattacking just as you did before.

How is it OMGUS?

[MafiaSSK]

Thats not scum hunting, thats OMGUS. You have been scum with me before, you should know how I play as scum better than anyone here. Of course that also means I know how you play as scum. You have been breadcrumbing and only counterattacking just as you did before.

How is it OMGUS?

He only posted stuff about me after I attacked him. Either he is johnathan kemp and wants me off his case and is trying to get me to back down or he knows who it is.

That's not OMGUS. OMGUS is attacking without real reasoning. He has reasoning for attacking you and is doing such successfully. You just became more obvious when you started to attack.

[MafiaSSK]

First point:

-

How does this contribute

You say that millers are good day 1 lynches. Yet, you didn''t vote the claimed miller right away. Only after you noticed a vote against the claimed miller, you voted as well. This gives me the impression that you didn''t want to draw unwanted attention.
But answer this: Why didn''t you vote the claimed miller right away when you think a claimed miller is a good day 1 lynch?

I had to think things over to make sure that a miller was a good D1 lynch.

Quote:

MafiaSSK: if your role explicitly states there is another miller who is town and chocolate, why did you ever suggest ThAdmiral was a good day one lynch?

You can never be 100% sure of anything.

Could you rephrase this part?:

If I got badgerered by Zwet for an action then I knew I would have had a different win con then the Town one. But just for earliness sakes, I asked Zwet for one.

If Zwet had asked me to talk with the scum or ask me about a kill then I know I probably would be a different alignment. But since Orto asked I asked Zwet just to make sure I was town.

And uhm, Millar was lynched yesterday

Oh. Yeah.

[MafiaSSK]

..... who here was given a character name?

Me.

[MafiaSSK]

When the scum kill me, I'd like everyone to remember that it was Kise who randomly brought Jester and Judas speculation into this.

Why the misrep?

[MafiaSSK]

Kemp is either Zazie or SSK. I have reason to suspect that the chocolate/miller claims were BS.

Yes, I was bored. Re-read the whole thread last night. It looks like ThAd wanted to draw out SSK/Kemp with their flirtatious behavior. That, on top of the fact that win conditions were missing in SSK's role PM... makes me think he's Kemp, who was non-aligned at the time because he was not converted to the "darkside."

If I am lynched because I had no win condition at the start of the game, because of a mod error, I am going to be so fucking pissed.

[MafiaSSK]

Who said Zwet couldn't be Kemp?

[MafiaSSK]

Slicey, i unreservedly apologise for any comments I made about your modding ability.
Zwet, however, appears to have buggered this setup more than a lifer buggers 17-year olds in prison.

I thought there was a 25 or so percent chance that this game was going to be un-working

[MafiaSSK]

Slicey, i unreservedly apologise for any comments I made about your modding ability.
Zwet, however, appears to have buggered this setup more than a lifer buggers 17-year olds in prison.

I thought there was a 25 or so percent chance that this game was going to be un-working

EBWOP: Meant 5 not 25

[MafiaSSK]

No, right first time, SSK.

Why are you insulting him?

[MafiaSSK]

It's zwet. His mind is several steps short of a full flight of stairs at the best of times.

Prove it.

[MafiaSSK]

It's zwet. His mind is several steps short of a full flight of stairs at the best of times.

Prove it.

And also this might not be Zwet's fault, this might be Slicey being an idiot instead.

[MafiaSSK]

Incomplete role PMs? THe fact I didn't get mine for 3 days after I replaced in? The complete bat-shit insaneness of this game? Like, the fact half the flavour post seems to have gotten cut out at the start?

Not everyone has no life. Zwet could have enough of a life that the internet was not that serious of business and did not complete everything thoroughly.

[MafiaSSK]

That is not the problem, ThAdmiral. The problem is Zwet goofed and it is doubtful he can fix it.

Why do you doubt that he can't fix it?

[MafiaSSK]

Well, the game is on hold and everyone is getting antsy.

When does he get back from V/LA?

Thursday

[MafiaSSK]

I will also bet you on that.

[MafiaSSK]

Krer, why not vote yourself then?

[MafiaSSK]

Vote: Kreriov

What I can say is that we appear to have a 1v1 of Kise v Kreriov, and we should go with the watcher claim for now. If Krer is what he says he is, lynch confirms him, pretty much confirms Kise as scum, and helps Krer out because he's clearly given up on this game. Which is a shame, since zwet seems to have gotten his act together.

I agree with this plan.

Vote Krer

[MafiaSSK]

Not sure what the point of a dawn is.

Same. It seems useless.

[MafiaSSK]

Is Kise really 100% scum? Ar we sure about this?

[MafiaSSK]

Yesterday, either Kise or Kreriov was lying about their night action. This meant one of them had to be scum, discrediting the other. Kreriov was town, and therefore not lying about his action. Kise, therefore, is scum.

How is lying about your action=100% scum?

[MafiaSSK]

Is Kise really 100% scum? Ar we sure about this?

Vote: Kreriov

What I can say is that we appear to have a 1v1 of Kise v Kreriov, and we should go with the watcher claim for now. If Krer is what he says he is, lynch confirms him, pretty much confirms Kise as scum, and helps Krer out because he's clearly given up on this game. Which is a shame, since zwet seems to have gotten his act together.

I agree with this plan.

Vote Krer

Seems we have a change of heart here. Why?

Because I don't get why lying about your action would make you scum.

[MafiaSSK]

Is Kise really 100% scum? Ar we sure about this?

Vote: Kreriov

What I can say is that we appear to have a 1v1 of Kise v Kreriov, and we should go with the watcher claim for now. If Krer is what he says he is, lynch confirms him, pretty much confirms Kise as scum, and helps Krer out because he's clearly given up on this game. Which is a shame, since zwet seems to have gotten his act together.

I agree with this plan.

Vote Krer

Seems we have a change of heart here. Why?

Because I don't get why lying about your action would make you scum.

Then why did you agree with the plan earlier, if you didn''t fully agree with what was being said?

Because I can rethink things.

[MafiaSSK]

In other words, you've conveniently changed your mind once the pro-town half of the 1v1 has been lynched. Not buying it. Kise and SSK for scum? Pretty damn likely. This flip-flop wouldn't even

fit

on a boat.

Tell me again of why lying about your action =100% scum?

[MafiaSSK]

What motivation does a town player have to lie about his action? And if Kise WAS lying about his action and town, why didn't he admit this once he realised another pro-town PR would be lynched because of it? For Kise to be town, he has to have made the most utterly monumental cock-up possible. And I don't see Kise bieng that incompetent.

Yes, you don't see it. But what if he is? I do believe that he could be.

[MafiaSSK]

I'm back, that is if I can still play here.

My vote would most definitely be on Kise if he wasn't going to be at L-1.

@SSK - do you think Kise lied about his action?

Quite possibly but he may not be scum because of it.

[MafiaSSK]

I'm back, that is if I can still play here.

My vote would most definitely be on Kise if he wasn't going to be at L-1.

@SSK - do you think Kise lied about his action?

Quite possibly but he may not be scum because of it.

Can you explain what you mean here?

How do you feel about lynch all liars?

That LAL is stupid. Town needs to lie too sometimes

[MafiaSSK]

Are you all forgetting this:

My power is redirection. Anyone who targets me is instead redirected to whomever I choose (ZazieR in this case). How in the hell does anyone watching ZazieR see me do anything?

Explain how this makes sense.

Then explain this.

Because it makes no sense why they would see Kise targetting you. It's basically like saying you were at Zazier's house but while you were watching Zazier Kise had a sign redirecting all actions to you. You couldn't notice that if you were at Zazier's house.

[MafiaSSK]

Are you all forgetting this:

My power is redirection. Anyone who targets me is instead redirected to whomever I choose (ZazieR in this case). How in the hell does anyone watching ZazieR see me do anything?

Explain how this makes sense.

Then explain this.

Because it makes no sense why they would see Kise targetting you. It's basically like saying you were at Zazier's house but while you were watching Zazier Kise had a sign redirecting all actions to you. You couldn't notice that if you were at Zazier's house.

SSK- Is Kise lieing or not in your opinion? You have taken both stances in the thread as to why he may not be scum. In fact because of the "cake and eat it too defense", I think your likely scum with him.

I'm not sure honestly. But I still don't get why it makes him 100% scum.

[MafiaSSK]

I'm back, that is if I can still play here.

My vote would most definitely be on Kise if he wasn't going to be at L-1.

@SSK - do you think Kise lied about his action?

Quite possibly but he may not be scum because of it.

Can you explain what you mean here?

How do you feel about lynch all liars?

That LAL is stupid. Town needs to lie too sometimes

This is true, but normally the town would come out 'round about now and say "hey, I lied as part of a gambit, and this is why...".

But kise hasn't, because kise is scum.

Are you at least not even going to entertain the possibilty that kise

might

be scum? In a sort of "occams razor" type way?

Kise still might.

Yes. Kise might be scum.

[MafiaSSK]

Are you all forgetting this:

My power is redirection. Anyone who targets me is instead redirected to whomever I choose (ZazieR in this case). How in the hell does anyone watching ZazieR see me do anything?

Explain how this makes sense.

Then explain this.

Because it makes no sense why they would see Kise targetting you. It's basically like saying you were at Zazier's house but while you were watching Zazier Kise had a sign redirecting all actions to you. You couldn't notice that if you were at Zazier's house.

First of all, Kise claimed watcher. Kreriov was the Redirector.
Kise claims to have Kreriov redirecting actions used against him towards me. You now state that this doesn't make sense. So why no vote?

SSK

, why didn't you respond to this?

I didnt see it.

[MafiaSSK]

Are you all forgetting this:

My power is redirection. Anyone who targets me is instead redirected to whomever I choose (ZazieR in this case). How in the hell does anyone watching ZazieR see me do anything?

Explain how this makes sense.

Then explain this.

Because it makes no sense why they would see Kise targetting you. It's basically like saying you were at Zazier's house but while you were watching Zazier Kise had a sign redirecting all actions to you. You couldn't notice that if you were at Zazier's house.

First of all, Kise claimed watcher. Kreriov was the Redirector.
Kise claims to have Kreriov redirecting actions used against him towards me. You now state that this doesn't make sense. So why no vote?

SSK

, why didn't you respond to this?

I didnt see it.

But now you did ._.

Yes. But I've already responded to this question a billion times. I didn't vote because I didn't think he was scum.

[MafiaSSK]

Zwet

Why was the mod-player dropped? Was it also killed by your reviewers?

Deadified. I'd love some comments on my modding/if you'd want to play my Musical Mafia mini theme I'm making/anything.

prein.

[MafiaSSK]

The millers got the same role PM.

Liar! It never said anywhere in my role PM that I was a miller and ThAd said he had one that did.