For leading us down the wrong path. I call shenanigans!
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Gut feelings are generally subconsciously recognized tells. Can you elaborate on this, or were you just jumping on the biggest wagon?Prom King wrote:Vote: Korts
Gut feeling for now based on his first reaction.
I agree that Occam was lightly fishing and his defense was worthless, but reading the first quoted paragraph, that is a big fallacy there. You say that it is scummy not to have read properly?BSG wrote:Precisely. It's printed right up there. And you missed it. The only way how you could have missed it is if you didn't read it. And that's scummy.
Besides, I find it very scummy that you posted without knowing the exact details.
Then the rolefishing thing, it's not a defence when you say 'it isn't fishing'. Please say why you don't see it as fishing.scumchat never die-
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I can't particularly relate to this discussion on rolefishing, which I don't think Occam was doing to an extent harmful to town anyway; BSG however does have a point about Occam voting him only after he found some support in raider and me.
I still would like our Prom King to answer when he gets back to the game, though.scumchat never die-
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It wasn't a serious vote. First votes usually aren't. And I wanted to make mine game-related. Any reason you thought it was serious?Prom King wrote:The reason for my Korts vote was based on his immediate reaction to Rogue's choosing of our path.
Personally, I don't think a mafia member would be dumb enough to choose our path - putting himself in the spotlight right off the bat.scumchat never die-
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Who are you defending yourself against? Was anyone seriously debating whether you were scummy for making that choice?Rogue Shenanigans wrote:My path chosing is a total null tell in every respect. The mod himself stated its lack of importance. I mearly saw the game had started first.scumchat never die-
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As the mod clearly stated, the choice had pretty much no bearing on the game.MonkeyMan576 wrote:
I'm sorry I mispoke. Defending the move is just as bad as doing it, if not more so. Like Prom King said, it's unlikely scum would actully choose a path this early, but having someone defend the tactics worries me.Lunar_Tick wrote:@Monkeyman: You seem to be confusing me with Rogue Shenanigans. Maybe.scumchat never die-
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Arrrgh. I hate the phrase "the random voting stage is over" so very much. Why do you think it is over, raider? What defines "random voting stage"? Where is the distinction between "random voting stage" and non-"random voting stage"? Please note that these questions have no bearing at all on the game itself and are purely posed simply to make people realize that such statements of a seperate hypothetical "random" stage are stupid.scumchat never die-
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FYI Occam here is the reason I jumped on the Lunar wagon. He slipped, citing knowledge that the town doesn't have.
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You're not in a position to say what I'm able to come to a conclusion on and vote for. All I need to vote is to think that you are more guilty than anyone else. And I clearly do. The only way you could know if there was a scheme or if it was random choice is if you were scum, a townie would not know the difference.MonkeyMan576 wrote:
Your whole post and vote assumes that the choice has any kind of bearing on the game. You are very far from being sure of your claims, at least not close enough to make any kind of conclusion and subsequently vote on it. And if you are sure of your claims (and it seems that you are), then you are highly suspicious.Lunar_Tick wrote:@Monkeyman: Defending the move is just as bad as doing it, if not more so. Like Prom King said, it's unlikely scum would actully choose a path this early, but having someone defend the tactics worries me.
Also I don't like the way you use the word "tactics" in your post, when there was clearly no under-hand mafia scheme but rather a random choice.scumchat never die-
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And how can you state with such certainty that it would be a mislynch?Occam wrote:False dilemma? Neither, actually, just trying to prevent a mislynch.
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Here's the quote again, with fixed tags:Occam wrote:Anyways, thanks for finally explaining - but it seems you're actually voting him because he used the word tactics... not because he has inside information. How is that a valid reason? Reread the quote you posted and get back to me on that.
I went back and reread what they were actually saying, and the quote tags are now correct. So no, I'm not attacking LT for the use of the word "tactics", I am attacking him for stating with seemingly absolute certainty that the choice was clearly random and in no possible way an "under-hand mafia scheme". Defending Rogue with something only Rogue or mafia would know is, IMO, scumlicious.MonkeyMan576 wrote:
You're not in a position to say what I'm able to come to a conclusion on and vote for. All I need to vote is to think that you are more guilty than anyone else. And I clearly do. The only way you could know if there was a scheme or if it was random choice is if you were scum, a townie would not know the difference.Lunar_Tick wrote:
Your whole post and vote assumes that the choice has any kind of bearing on the game. You are very far from being sure of your claims, at least not close enough to make any kind of conclusion and subsequently vote on it. And if you are sure of your claims (and it seems that you are), then you are highly suspicious.Monkeyman wrote:Defending the move is just as bad as doing it, if not more so. Like Prom King said, it's unlikely scum would actully choose a path this early, but having someone defend the tactics worries me.
Also I don't like the way you use the word "tactics" in your post, when there was clearly no under-hand mafia scheme but rather a random choice.
Defending someone for no clear reason is, on the other hand. Why do you assume LT wouldn't want to defendOccam wrote:I like how I'm being called scummy for defending someone - defending someone is NOT a scumtellhimself?
Easy on the wine there, fella. As a friendly point of advice, let me tell you this: steer clear from "if I were scum" arguments.Occam wrote:A. I I were scum the LAST THING I would be trying to do would be steering the town AWAY from a mislynch.
BACKTRACK ALERTOccam wrote:B. I'm not sure it's a mislynch. I just see no evidence that it will be a good lynch.
MAN YOUR STATIONS
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no seriously, I quoted you a little further up. You said, very clearly, that the LT lynch would be a mislynch.
Oh yes; but while the wiki article shows how it's a fallacy to assume someone's scum if they can't be proven to be town, here no-one assumed such a thing; if you state that someone would be a mislynch, it's a sound logical conclusion to ask why you think that.Occam wrote:C. Asking me to PROVE that LT is town is the same as asking someone to PROVE that they aren't scum (then using the fact that they CAN'T as evidence that they ARE scum, or in this case, the fact that I CAN'T prove that he's town as evidence that he's scum):
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I'm not really sure I believe the explanation of mislynch=bad lynch in his vocabulary. Mis- is associated with missing (i.e. not scum), IMO.
And by the way, freeko, I just noticed this:
Nice fishing for masons here. Noted. You're right, actually; Occam isn't half as scummy as you just know became.freeko wrote:Ok, you still did not answer my question. Are you and LT linked in this game somehow?
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I read it after freeko pointed it out, and I'm not sure I believe it. It does change my perspective a little, though.Occam wrote:Did you read the part where I explained my use of the word, or no?
Hum. Really, let's take this point by point. Do you, or do you not agree that what LT seemed to be absolutely certain about isn't something that is public knowledge? If you do: do you agree that knowing something not publicly known, especially about the setup, implies scum knowledge? If so: doesn't knowing something scum would know imply that HE IS SCUM? No offense, but you're being the thick one here.Occam wrote:Not to be a dick but this is really just stupid. As is assuming that because I said mislynch, I KNOW that it's going to be a mislynch. God, you people are really being thick
That is BS plain and clear. There was noOccam wrote:Has he posted since he was attacked? No. And what do you mean NO CLEAR REASON TO DEFEND HIM? THERE'S NO CLEAR REASON TO ATTACK HIM!statedreason to attack him. Unexplained bandwagons are a very good tool for finding implications of connections, like when you jumped to LT's aid.
Also, why not wait until he posts? If he hasn't posted since he was attacked, he hasn't had a chance to defend himself, which he surely would want to give a shot. By defending him, you're both putting words in his mouth and intimidating people off his wagon; the most likely reason I see for this is that you are scum either trying to buddy up to LTtown, tying yourself to LTtown for later purposes, or simply defending a scumbuddy.
I'll lay off the mislynch thing, because there's nothing new in that discussion, but I don't know if your defense should be believed.scumchat never die-
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Occam--here's the thing. What LT said, basically, is that there is no chance at all that itwasn'ta random choice. Sure, chances are that it was, but there is no reason to exclude the possibility of scum motives. And MM specifically saidunlikelywhereas LT excluded a scenario that is entirely possible. Yes it's a minor point, but looking around before that post of LT's there really wasn't anything better to push.
And shouting WIFOM at every hint of it is stupid and won't get you anywhere. Just because something looks like circular logic, there may be clear differences in town and scum motivation if you look closer. So please shut the fuck up for a moment and consider things not just for what they are, but what they could be and how they would make sense. IMO scum are more probably going to slip up on something like LT did.scumchat never die-
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Rhinox has this under control, it seems. One thing to add:
This only makes the fishing point more certain, you see; by not having your vote on him, you practically prove the point that you suspect they might be connected town.freeko wrote:Which one is it? Is there scum on LT's wagon? Or am I scum now, because I was exploring the possibility of a link between LT and Occam? If you missed a MINOR little detail, I do not have my vote on Occam. Nor did my vote ever get placed on Occam at any point.
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freeko - 5 (Korts, Rhinox, MonkeyMan, Sipylus, Occam)
Lunar Tick - 2 (Rogue Shenanigans, Kiro)
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Here's the thing: you put words into Occam's mouth. You asked him directly whether they were lovers. If you were suspecting him of being scum defending either town or scumpartner, you would ask him why he did it, not give him possible explanations; this is, of course, in addition to the fact that you're givingfreeko wrote:The only reason I can see why someone is defending someone else this early in the game is because they are linked. Masons? Maybe. Lovers? More than likely this is what I think (and why I did not move my vote). Scum? You cannot tell me that it is not worth exploring this possibility.twotown PRs if Occam is indeed a lover and you force him to reveal himself. ERGO rolefishing you were.
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Hmm.
Prom King, his 3rd post wrote:BSG wrote:FoS Prom Kingfor that circular argument made in post 50.
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I seem to remember his motives for that vote questioned; yet he never answers anything directed at him, and fails to give reasoning for both of these votes. I get the sense of lurking, opportunistic scum; and with his attempt at stalling the freeko wagon, he's definitely scummy. I get the feeling we got two scum here.Prom King, his 4th post wrote:Freeko is innocent.
Take it from me... WINK WINK. I KNOW this for sure WINK WINK.
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vote: Occam
For revoting freeko. It is not pro-town to lynch either of them today, since they've confirmed each other's claim; and freeko's wincon claim of "being alive on Day 6" seems like a survivor role, which also shouldn't be lynched solely for being a survivor. I also don't like the implication that since your wincon doesn't have anything about Day 6, freeko's can't have either. You say freeko's claim doesn't make sense for a variety of reasons, but you only state one; elaborate please.scumchat never die-
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If they are masons like they say they are, keeping them alive will mean that the mafia will always have to choose between killing one of them and reducing the number of semi-confirmeds by one and raising the fully confirmeds' number by one, or keeping them both alive and semi-confirmed. Basically, they now serve to draw a NK and create NK-WIFOM.BSG wrote:And it would be nice if Korts could explain why he thinks it's bad to lynch one of Freeko or Prom King.
I've been a neighbour/unconfirmed mason before, with my partner being confirmed. I was town, for reference; unconfirmed mason =/= scum.BSG wrote:Well, I can think of one situation I've seen in which one mason knew that his partner was town, while the other didn't know his partner's allignment.scumchat never die-
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That's a pretty scummy and short-sighted statement. Since it was stated that it had little to no bearing on the game as of now, and also we don't know anything about what this watching entails, I don't see any point in discussion or democracy. Scum can manipulate town if you want to go through democratic channels; and also the best we could do would be baseless theorizing about what may or may not happen.freeko wrote:I think it was 7 to lynch, but his role only required 6 (regular number -1). When I die tonight, at least promise me you take korts or RS to visit me ASAP. they cant be team players when they run off and make decsicions without our consent.
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Okay. Quick post because it's 4 AM and I'm still wasted; the watch entailed me getting a PM at the end of the night that I've fallen asleep. I also seem to remember Occam going into the forest for a piss, but that maybe I just dreamt it. Basically, paraphrasing, that is all I got.scumchat never die-
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Well yes, it is simple if you look at it that way. But do you really think that if I was lying, I'd cave in from a little pressure?freeko wrote:I thihnk I want to explore if korts is lying here.
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No. I paraphrased everything I got.BSG wrote:@Korts
Was there nothing else mentioned besides that?
PK, you shouldn't ask power roles to come forward with results. They can claim when they judge it's optimal.
I'm also wondering why mafia killed Occam. If anything, one of the claimed masons would've been a far better target.
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Huh. It's not like you won't have someone else watching next night to confirm my story.freeko wrote:Its more of a check than anything else. and to that extent i think its real simple (and pretty much wifom as well). Either korts is telling the truth and he flips town, or he is not and he is a scum. I am very heavily leaning twoards teh scum side right now. Problem is there is only one way to truly find out.
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I had no decision in it. I never received any notification of abilities or request for a choice, all I got was a PM at the end of the night containing what I have already paraphrased in my first post of today.Rhinox wrote:Prom king, I want to hear what your role PM says about your association with freeko. You still haven't confirmed his claim.
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Sorry about the little posting. Last of the exams. Anyway, freeko, what did I do that you don't see as pro-town, other than having watched tonight? I ask because the only case you made against me is "lynch him so I can get a clearer view".
mod:how recently was Rogue Shenanigans prodded?
For the first part, what are you talking about the L-1 vote being the hammer? As for the justification, I explained it quite clearly I thought. The claim of "cleric" seemed to fit only marginally with the theme, like a fakeclaim made up on the spot.Juls wrote:This was all irrelevant because the L-1 vote was really the hammer but it just seems as if you unvoted and then when you noticed everyone else wasn't really following suit you reversed your tracks. If you really thought there was even a remote chance of him being a doctor, why revote?
And the second thing is deciding to watch while discussion was ongoing. I find it questionable but I am not necessarily sure I classify it as scummy yet.
Second; I didn't see any productive discussion about deciding to watch; nor did I expect to see any such thing considering we didn't know anything about the mechanics tied to watching nor the actual utility. It was basically the same motivation as Rogue Shenanigans' first post; try and prevent the game from stalling due to baseless speculation on a mechanic.
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Are you saying I should have forseen that?freeko wrote:Korts, if you read the flavor of his lynching, It only required 6 of us (or one less than normal) to lynch him. At least that is what it looked like to me
Explain the plural, please. Other than the watching incident, was there anything else? Also, if youfreeko wrote:It just seems that you are doing nothing but making decisions in this game that are totally one sided. You are thinking about yourself and not the good of the "town" as a whole, I think.dohave something else, I expect quotes and interpretations.scumchat never die-
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Oh. That's correct. I thought you were accusing me of purposely placing a hammer.Juls wrote:
From the way I read, and I guess I could be reading wrong because I joined late and wasn't there as it transpired, but I was under the impression that the L-1 vote that you cast was actually the hammer vote unbeknownst to you or anyone else. When you removed your vote and then replaced it, it did not matter because he had long been dead. Is that correct?Korts wrote:For the first part, what are you talking about the L-1 vote being the hammer? As for the justification, I explained it quite clearly I thought. The claim of "cleric" seemed to fit only marginally with the theme, like a fakeclaim made up on the spot.
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Reading that I can on one hand imagine at least one of freeko and PK being scum and killing Occam because they're afraid of an investigation; on the other hand, Occam had already vouched for PK and freeko being town right there and then. I'm interested to see where this takes us.
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For what it's worth raider I was unconfirmed mason with my partner being confirmed in Pick a Player (link in my wiki if interested, I'm too lazy atm), and we were both town, so that point doesn't stand; since this is Jebus' first modded game anyway, we can't try and guess the likeliness of certain roles in a setup of his based on modding meta.scumchat never die-
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As I said before, I paraphrased everything I got from watching. If you think I'm hiding something, I wouldn't be particularly uncomfortable with you yourself watching tonight; see if you get more or less than me.freeko wrote:Which is exactly why I think Korts is hiding something.scumchat never die-
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Vi's claim makes me think that they're both scum, actually. PK I can easily imagine as having tried a crude gambit (claiming masons with a scumpartner) and pulling freeko with him; freeko's response fits the profile of wary scum going with the plan but ready to bus, and Vi's most recent claim of neighbour covers all bases in case of a lynch of either one of them.Rhinox wrote:EBWOP:
Another Lie? Freeko says his role PM has an alternate win condition of making it to the next town, and Vi says his does not. At least one of freeko or Vi are probably scum... I thinking freeko, because scum-Vi could have gotten out of his lynch in a way that wouldn't have made him the obv lynch choice the next day.Vi wrote:
I saw, but I haven't seen anything that specifically says that anything happens at that point. It's heavily implied, but I don't see anything "in writing".freeko 361 wrote:Vi, just so you know. The caravan reaches the destination town on the start of day 6. That is listed in the game rules.
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Out of the two, freeko is more likely to be scum; but I don't really like how hard you're pushing the notion that one of them is definitely scum. My stance is that it's more probable that both are, but entirely possible that neither are scum. Vi makes a fair point about how you're setting up a Vi (mis?)lynch upon a mislynch of freeko.Rhinox wrote:hmmm... good point actually. However, one of the 2 of them are lying, which means at least 1 of them are scum for sure. Freeko seems more likely to be lying to me, and if he's town, we're going to get Vi anyways. Freeko should be lynched first.
unvote, vote: Rhinox
Hehheh. For a second I thought this was serious and was ready to vote you for attacking me indirectly and without any hint at an implied connection.Vi wrote:I like how thinly veiled this is getting.
Vote: Rhinox(L-5)
If he's scum, we lynch Korts-scum for being his partner.
If he's Town, we lynch Korts-scum for feeding his wrongness.
See what I did there?
Meanwhile freeko's reaction to Rhinox's vote seems overly hostile. I'm not sure what to do with this observation though.scumchat never die-
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While BSG's question of what freeko's rolename is is a little weird, freeko's reaction is very unusual and quite scummy. I also don't like the negotiation of one name for another name; it gives me the notion that freeko wanted a pro-town rolename before he'd claim his own to check whether it would be accepted.
Fair point.Vi wrote:From as far as I've gotten in my reread, I'm getting suspicious of raider for hanging out on the periphery of the game and generally being dispensable. So his cameo appearance in this argument is noted.scumchat never die-
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Vague towntell, since you asked freeko to claim for you, too. I don't know if I would take that risk, were I scum fakeclaiming mason with a buddy. If I were scum in a neighbourhood I would be even less inclined since the neighbour would claim truthfully and I wouldn't want a scum rolename public.Vi wrote:
What do you think of my reaction to the same?Korts 391 wrote:While BSG's question of what freeko's rolename is is a little weird, freeko's reaction is very unusual and quite scummy. I also don't like the negotiation of one name for another name; it gives me the notion that freeko wanted a pro-town rolename before he'd claim his own to check whether it would be accepted.scumchat never die-
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Humm. Okay, so this tells us that freeko claimed truthfully or you are both scum. The former still leaves room for one or both of you being scum, though, so I don't see what this little happening proved.Vi wrote:freeko's claim is accurate. (Of course I have to be the sidekick )
Also @freeko: Flavor in theme games is generally not to be looked into too deeply. See previous question regarding this in 390.
Now that you got what you wanted, BSG, why did you ask for a rolename claim in the first place?scumchat never die-
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Okay, that's a bit surprising to see.
I haven't read through the big posts completely, but a quick skim is good enough for now. Don't have a lot of time.
I clearly don't agree with my wagon and the speed of it is very implicative. I don't like the late arrivals, especially Rhinox's vote reeks of opportunism. I didn't see you making any point at all regarding me, which is slightly uncharacteristic even if everyone else has already said it before you. Despite your usual verbosity you just jump on my wagon with an "oh yes, Korts is obvscum" comment.
Juls is also fishy. The only comments on me she makes are generalized.
I'm much more comfortable with raider's reaction (although that may be because as of yet he's one of the few not in my lynch mob).
I will read the points against me thoroughly and I'll answer whatever I can.scumchat never die-
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