Mini #717 - Alpha Centauri Smalltown (Game Over!)
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I actually realized I would like the roleblocker the same amount, but gotta go vig.
"Mankind has been blind for thousands of years-for all of its history. We have come to a place whose wonders are a hundred-fold more amazing than anything on Earth. Around us is clear evidence of the will of a higher power. I bring the Vision to the blind eyes of men. I bring the Word to the deaf ears of men. I will make them see it. I will make them hear it."
-- Prophet Cha Dawn, "Planet Rising"
You areProphet Cha Dawnof the Cult of Planet. You have reached a deep understanding with Planet, and can communicate with her indiginent life and persuade it to do your bidding. So if you're having trouble getting your voice heard at the Planetary Council meetings, you might find that sending a boil of mind worms to pay someone a visit gets your point across very effectively. Be warned, however, that mind worm attacks do not make for the most subtle of assassinations; anyone killed in this fashion will leave a very distinctive corpse, and while nobody will be able toprovethat you are responsible, you might find that the general paranoid atmosphere on Planet these days leads them to drop the "innocent until proven guilty" doctrine.
In other words, you're aVigilante. Each night, you may PM the name of another living player, and you will attempt to kill them.
Supersaint is one of the better roles here in my opinon. Worst is inventor if you wind up being town, or commuter.-
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viewtopic.php?t=6981 - just over 1 page
viewtopic.php?t=9889&postdays=0&postord ... &start=100 - just over 4 pages
Another mini where someone went from 0 or 1 votes to 7 and hammered I believe on one page. - viewtopic.php?t=9466&postdays=0&postord ... &start=325-
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False, where did I call it scummy?farside22 wrote:My idea was to see if someone would call it scummy for bringing it up such as charter did.
You perceive it as a scumtell (as do most people I reckon), but you think scum would do it anyway to gain sympathy? How is committing a commonly accepted scumtell supposed to give scum sympathy? And how does it just give scum sympathy and not townies?farside22 wrote:I think self voting when he did and saying it's town is terrible thing to say. It's not a null thing in my view. The are very, very few times I vote for self and I can see scum doing it to gain sympathy.
For the record, I see it as a null tell as well. I don't see any advantage scum gains over town for doing it.
116- Christ, you want the first person you vote for lynched? Occam is right on this one.
I don't see anything wrong or scummy with Occam's posts.
I think Ceph might be scum.
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I'm asking how voting for himself gains him sympathy, and why that only gives scum sympathy and not town. You still didn't explain this, please do. You saying it gains sympathy doesn't make it true. How is wanting to stop pressure on oneself any indicator of alignment? I don't think that he stopped pressure, he took quite a bit of flack for voting himself in fact.farside22 wrote:Voting for himself at and not a hammer to gain sympathy is scummy. He succeed to stopping pressure from a horrid comment.
Why did I unvote? I didn't want him lynched that fast, that wasn't obvious with my statement of all the games I've been in with super fast lynches have resulted in town losses?farside wrote:He succeed in getting you to unvote why is that exactly?
I think BP helps all alignments, as you can coast through as long as you don't paint a target on yourself during the day, decreasing the chance that your alignment in lynched. Living long in the game is desired by all alignments.farside wrote:Really you know who the BP hurts, scum or the SK. Not the town that is for sure. It is one less person for the scum or SK to not focus on so who else would want to get rid of a "useless" role?
So you think Ceph is scum but think I'm scum with no reason. Lovely. Good scum hunting skills if you have them.
I asked you questions because your statements don't add up, that sounds like scumhunting to me.
I said right after that it wasn't serious, so you knew it wasn't serious. I called you scum, sure, but where did I say your idea was scummy? So, back to the original question, where did I call [farside's idea] scummy?farside22 wrote:Whether sarcastic or not (IE sarcasm is not always noticeable on the computer) you did call me scumcharter wrote:SCUM - Empking + farside
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Me too. Zero. Now that I think about it, I've only self voted as town. Looks like it must be a towntell then!yorgi wrote:
He self voted to get to L-1 saying the BW was stupid. He has now stopped the backlash for the most part by doing that vote and now getting the it's null to self vote. BS!I'm asking how voting for himself gains him sympathy, and why that only gives scum sympathy and not town. You still didn't explain this, please do. You saying it gains sympathy doesn't make it true. How is wanting to stop pressure on oneself any indicator of alignment? I don't think that he stopped pressure, he took quite a bit of flack for voting himself in fact.
self voting is not null I can count the number of times I votes myself and was scum.
Yes, and how is wanting to stop pressure on oneself indicitive of scum and not town? I don't want pressure on me regardless of alignment.farside wrote:Saying look this case is such BS I'm self voting did exactly what he wanted which was stop pressure.
farside, you are dodging all of my (scumhunting) questions, and not doing a good job of it at all either.
I would like direct answers to these questions please.charter bold mine wrote:
You perceive it as a scumtell (as do most people I reckon), but you think scum would do it anyway to gain sympathy? How is committing a commonly accepted scumtell supposed to give scum sympathy? And how does it just give scum sympathy and not townies?farside22 wrote:I think self voting when he did and saying it's town is terrible thing to say. It's not a null thing in my view. The are very, very few times I vote for self andI can see scum doing it to gain sympathy.
You tell me how self voting gains him sympathy as scum but can't give him sympathy as town.
No, I'm trying to show that you're completely twisting the actual facts. Scum twist facts.farside wrote:You called me scum. That equals scummy. Wording a bit different but not by much. You being a grammar police now?
FACT - In my first post, I decreed three people scum and one a SK.
FACT - I gave ZERO reasoning for any of that.
FACT - You accuse me of saying one of your ideas is scummy.
FACT - I never said that idea was scummy. (I've already gotten over the fact that you made it up for me, now I want to know why) In fact, I didn't even read it, just saw a large chuck of text, and skipped it.
QUESTION - Why did you accuse me of thinking your idea was scummy, when I never said it was?
FACT - No one else I decreed scum or SK thought twice (or even acknowledged) my post.
CONJECTURE - farside is incredibly jumpy, and takes to being called scum MUCH more seriously than I think is warrented. I think she is scum.
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Oman's right, this isn't necessarily true.MonkeyMan576 wrote:Also, it should be noted that since Occum voted for Ceph, it is unlikely that they are both scum. That means either they are both town, Occum is scum and Ceph is town, or Ceph is scum and Occum is town. Since they have both exhibited questionable behavior, I think the first scenario is unlikely, I think they are on opposite teams. That means if we lynch one and they are town, then we can lynch the other one day 2(unless better info comes along), and they will likely be scum.
Fos monkeyman for pulling the "lynch them both" stunt.
@Farside, me saying I think Ceph could be scum because of meta hardly constitutes a case. I can see you aren't going to answer my questions, so I have to assume the answers incriminate you. As a side note, I'd be careful about linking to MD threads, I've been modkilled for doing it.-
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ITS NOT SCUMMY BECAUSE HE DOESNT GAIN ANY ADVANTAGE DOING IT AS SCUM THAN AS TOWN. I UNVOTED BECAUSE I DONT WANT A LYNCH ON WHAT, PAGE 5? I ALREADY SAID BOTH OF THESE.farside22 wrote:charter wrote: @Farside, me saying I think Ceph could be scum because of meta hardly constitutes a case. I can see you aren't going to answer my questions, so I have to assume the answers incriminate you. As a side note, I'd be careful about linking to MD threads, I've been modkilled for doing it.What question am I dodging. Oh wait I'm not I'm answering the questions and you don't like my answers that's all. How is voting for self not scummy again? Why did you unvote (still unanswered speaking of dodging questions)
Only scum would speedhammer in such a way on day one. This isn't self lynching, it would out one scum. Your scenario is so horribly flawed it hurts.farside22 wrote:What if for a second I believed you as town. What happens when you put yourself at L-1 and some scum still hasn't voted. Your vote, your single vote is in terms self lynching at that point. Deal with it.
No, your point was flat out wrong.farside wrote:I show a valid point and the best you have is I'm misrep the vote? Really the fact that someone unvoted you looks more suspicious as scum don't mind having an L-1 vote. A town person should be worried about L-1.
I Fos'ed you because I see scum pull this MUCH more often than town.MM wrote: at FOSing a logical statement. I didn't say it was 100% true, I said it was likely, and a possible strategy, not one that we have to follow if something better comes along.
STOP WASTING OUR TIME WITH THE BP STILL. START TALKING ABOUT CATCHING SCUM (FARSIDE FOR INSTANCE). It's painfully obvious that you're just trying to coast through and don't care about finding scum.Gremwell wrote:alright then could you kindly explain to me how a role who's sole power is to be immune to a night kill makes it more dangerous than normal to be in the hands of the group doing the most night killing.
He's not lynch proof
He's not going to be a wasted Vig kill
in fact the worst case scenario would be a BP SK, not scum
Around this point I stop reading farsides posts and just skim Occams for stuff not dealing with farsides extremely obvious being scum.
Her logic is blatently (probably knowingly too) wrong. She's inventing things and twisting facts. She's really obvious scum.Ceph wrote:I don't understand why anyone is voting for farside. Occam just seems to be getting PO'd and considering it a case. Glorified OMGUS, basically. Also, he's 100% wrong about selfvoting; it is always aways always antitown. Always. Did I mention always?
Arguing that it's protown suggests to me that you don't really know what's meant by antitown and protown, Occam. Just because a townie does something does not mean it helps the town.
You know that antitown does not equal scummy right?
Also, Occam is right, I can show you examples (well, just one) of SELF HAMMERING IN A NEWBIE GAME being arguably the best move for the town.
Not going to keep arguing with farside, it is going nowhere. Honestly, I've seen enough for a day one. I don't even care that Crazy hasn't posted, he's a poster child for a SK kill tonight. I'm not voting Occam, but I'd lynch any of farside, Ceph, MM, or Gremwell. Farside is by far the scummiest. She is using wrong logic, she is looking for any easy target she can, SHE ISN'T ACTUALLY LOOKING FOR SCUM (but feigning it), and is now doing the everhelpful voting the lurker when there is plenty of discussion going on. (I might add that there's others besides Crazy that are worthy of a vote for lurking, but do they get included? Nope.)-
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I could point out (again) where you invented me saying your idea was scummy. I could point out (again) where you claim he must be scum because he self voted, when that's not true. I could point out (again) how he wasn't "sacrificing" anything, he did it with a purpose and he did a good job acheiving that.
But no, it's useless, I don't think anyone else reads my posts and you just ignore all but tiny bits and peices.
And do you know what we do with players that don't post farside? WE REPLACE THEM!!!!! YAY!! Wanting to lynch the tracker (or anyone actually) when they haven't made a single post, well it just strengthens my point that you don't care who gets lynched.-
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No. You are scum. Once again, you ignore everything important in the game to give us this. You've commented on virtually nothing that's happened in this game. Also, you're clearly trying to gather everyone else's opinion on this matter without giving your own, testing the waters if you will.Gremwell wrote:Since they dominated the last few pages, and most people seem to have an opinion one way or the other, how many people think that either one of farside or occam is defiantly scum?
the reason I ask is that if we can at least agree on that much then we could lynch one and vig the other, I doubt anyone would disagree with a one for one trade
of course this hinges on one of them being definite scum, not just two townies slugging it out
its just a suggestion, as I can see this conflict clouding the rest of the game.
Farside has now switched all her reasoning. Scum as well. Now Occam has done a slew of anti-town things. Before it was a slew of scummy things. This looks like she's trying to drop her whole line of questioning because she sees that no one else is buying it.
OR TOWN NOT WANTING A LYNCH ON PAGE FIVE. Guess what, scum won that game with the hammer on page two. So why would you want to repeat the mistake again here? Farside was town in that game and scum won, I have no idea how she doesn't see the obvious parallel here.farside wrote:When I see someone unvote and others talk about it I want to know are they scum looking town or town that is confused.
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I remember a game page 3 where scum did hammer someone at L-1 so yes if someone is town and thinks no scum wouldn't do something like that. They are living a lie or they are scum and have nothing to worry about.-
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Ha. Thought it seemed wierd, but I didn't really read it carefully. But yeah, MM is now a solid number two, right after farside, and slightly above gremwell in terms of scumminess. He has done a lot of what gremwell has, with the not commenting on anything. Gremwell even refused to take a stance on his own question to everyone else, after it was pointed out that he needs to.
I feel like I can flip a three sided coin for who I want lynch today. Farside, gremwell, and MM all have their own side. Now off to find one...-
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That's exactly what it was. I think I'd rather lynch one of gremwell or MM today. MM is reacting horribly to being very loosely called scum. Way overly panicky. Gremwell isn't even trying to find scum, is acting scummy, and hasn't said one thing this whole game.Empking wrote:
Is that, "I acted scummy do get reactions"? (I'm honestly not sure.)Gremwell wrote:
obviously I didn't actually want a plan like that to go through, I proposed it to get reactions, .
Since Oman's 3 sided coin landed on Gremwell.
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I don't know why you were Fos'd, but you pretty much blew up over it. Also, I just looked back over your posts because I can't really remember you talking very much. You've said about as little as Gremwell. You aren't trying to find scum either, you're just trying to fit in and avoid suspicion.MonkeyMan576 wrote:I'm not being panicky, I'm trying to get an explanation for being FOS'd without reasoning.
I read it once briefly, I thought it was odd. When Oman pointed it out I gave it more attention and realized why it was odd. For the love of god, stop trying to use pointless crap. Try and actually do something useful in this game. Why not comment on Gremwell's utter lack of contribution, or his recent very scummy idea? Why not comment on MM's gross overreaction to being called likely scum in the event Occam is scum? Why do you only post terrible logic and pointless questions?farside22 wrote:
Why did you have to wait till someone else pointed it out before saying anything?charter wrote:Ha. Thought it seemed wierd, but I didn't really read it carefully. But yeah, MM is now a solid number two, right after farside,
Not lynching someone because of their role is dumb. While doctor can be useful, in hands of scum it's way worse. Stop trying to start a lurkerhunt as well and comment on the people that are talking, they've said plenty.Cephrir wrote:MM did flip out a little but I don't think it was too bad. The worst thing he's done has been terrible logic (this being that farside and Occam basically can't both be scum). Gremwell I get, but I'd rather not lynch him yet since he's the doctor. I would be suspicious of Empking, but I know that he always plays like this. We seem to have quite a few lurkers which needs to be fixed.
Empking, I'd like to know why you don't think my vote was random. Don't just steal everyone else's reasons.
You forgot "I'm scum with Gremwell". That holds more water than the reasons right there.MonkeyMan576 wrote:I'm not voting for Gremwall because I think Occum is scum. I agree with Farside that selfvoting is scummy and I am also suspicious of him claiming that BP townie is worthless.
I honestly can't see why no one else will wagon Gremwell. What do the rest of you guys want? How do you propose getting him to start talking?-
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Your last two 'arguments' against me have been
I've already been over (about four times now) how that wasn't serious. Occam was random.farside wrote:Chater: post 56 your predicition post why would you vote for the person you predict is the SK?
And then it was
Which I went over.farside22 wrote:
Why did you have to wait till someone else pointed it out before saying anything?charter wrote:Ha. Thought it seemed wierd, but I didn't really read it carefully. But yeah, MM is now a solid number two, right after farside,
Both of these are pointless things to question. (And I was talking about what I was saying was useless crap, and you're trying to spin that against me somehow)-
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Agreed.Occam wrote:Roles aside I think Grem's played scummier. Monkeyman isn't far behind but I really don't think we ought to let the fact that this is an open setup get in the way of lynching scum.
I actually want to know why those voting MM picked him over Gremwell. I can see a possibility (remote though it may be) that MM just blew up over getting called scum as town. It doesn't excuse the rest of his scummy actions, but I think regardless, Gremwell is worse.-
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Whaaaat???
Are you kidding me? Politician? He botches using that once (before LYLO) and everyone will know he's scum. I don't see any use for Politician as scum before LYLO. Doctor cuts the chances of crosskills down by a lot. What makes you think politician is more dangerous in the hands of scum than doctor? (I don't see it, so I want to be enlightened)-
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Where did you get this from?Oman wrote:Wait, so now you're saying doctor is useful to scum but bulletproof isn't?
Your reason for voting MM was he has a more dangerous scum role. I'm asking how you figure the politician is a more dangerous scum role than doctor.
The way I see it is, if the politician tries to sneak a vote in and quicklynches someone, it's going to be extremely obvious and MM will in all likelyhood be quicklynched himself. He can't use his role to scum's advantage without the consent of the town or giving himself up. If he manages to live until lylo, and he is scum, then he can quicklynch a townie for a win. I don't see his role helping scum before lylo. The doctor in the hands of scum significantly decreases the chance of a crosskill being sucessful. He can target his scumbuddies and just say "Oh, I felt they were protown".-
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How is this an answer to my questions or an explaination of how doctor isn't as dangerous in scums hands as politician? That's all I'm looking for.Oman wrote:Didn't everyone hammer on Occam for saying Bulletproof was good for scum?
The thing is, do you think that Occam using his ability night one is anti-town?
To answer that second question, if he botches then it's anti town. If he doesn't, then it's not anti town. It's up to how he uses it.
I don't see any way that farside isn't scum.
MM, that's why you're very suspicious, you're just repeatedly saying "You shouldn't be suspicious of me, vote this guy!" which is very scummy.-
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I think MM is scum too. MM has more votes and none of the people voting him will vote for Gremwell for who knows what reason. It's kind of sad, but I'm actually kind of waivering on MM, mostly because of the ease at which people will vote him, and the difficulty in getting people to vote Gremwell (who is far scummier).Empking wrote:
Why would you change your vote?charter wrote:Well, if people don't start voting Gremwell soon I'm just going to move on to MM. I still think Gremwell is the scummiest, but MM and farside are right behind.
Why did you FOS? What did he do that prompted it?farside22 wrote:I find the MM wagon informative. Actually both votes going as they are I find both informative but believe MM scummy compared to Grem. I think those on Grem are seeing what he said as scummy and I understand the reasons. I just disagree. Yes what he said was bad. I even FOS'ed, well I cant' smack the boy for saying something anti-town can I? Seriously though when he stated why and what he learned from it I thought it was a good thought process. Everyone is jumping on him because he did it for reaction. Now I don't know if this is true or not. It is pretty dumb thing to say.
I also disagree that the MM wagon will yield much information. Certainly much less than Gremwell will. Everyone voting him is doing it because of the same one reaction. So if he gets lynched, you can't find any scum off it because everyone is using the same reason.-
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I didn't say he was being incosistant. I know he's said he's suspicious of Gremwell. I just think it's interesting that he changes votes after the Gremwagon gains steam and without Gremwell posting. The only thing that's changed is that Gremwell has more votes.
I also note how his vote isn't necessary for a lynch yet. I took his statement to mean 'If Gremwell went to L-1 and no one else was suspicious, I'd vote Gremwell'. I can also point out his statements where he doesn't change his vote around unless the new person is scummier, it's just very hypocritical.
Also, I went back and looked at his posts, ever since his first mention of Grem
He has said nothing about Gremwell up untilMonkeyMan576 in post 73 wrote:and a big FOS on Gremwall.
and that's all. Doesn't really seem to want to further Gremwell's wagon, his vote is just on there because others' are.MonkeyMan576 in 243 wrote:
Scumtell. If you have an opinion you should say it now.Gremwell wrote:I will wait to comment until others weigh in
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First,Can we get an ultimatum/replacement of christiano drago?He's made two posts this whole game. Also, rereading the roles,If the masonier uses his one shot on town, and is scum himself, what happens? Do you confirm anyone's alignment?
A lot of people are just saying 'Gremwell has a better town power, vote MM' or 'Gremwell did one scummy action, MM has done two, vote MM'.Empking wrote:
At the time it was three apiece. How did you think their was more ease in voting MM than Gremwell?charter wrote:
I think MM is scum too. MM has more votes and none of the people voting him will vote for Gremwell for who knows what reason. It's kind of sad, but I'm actually kind of waivering on MM, mostly because of the ease at which people will vote him, and the difficulty in getting people to vote Gremwell (who is far scummier).Empking wrote:
Why would you change your vote?charter wrote:Well, if people don't start voting Gremwell soon I'm just going to move on to MM. I still think Gremwell is the scummiest, but MM and farside are right behind.
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I personally feel that first point is meaningless, and the second is just wrong. For some reason people are buying into both of these, when they are just not true. Also, most of the people voting MM voted him and just left it at that. That seems counterintuitive since MM posts frequently, but everyone voting him is already convinced he's scum and needs to die. I draw this conclusion since the people voting him aren't interacting with him hardly at all any more.
There are a lot of scummy things Grem has done. Never commenting on anything important (instead doing lots of setup speculation), the terrible idea and withholding opinion, his backtracking of this idea, his utter lack of scumhunting, and I feel Occam points out a good point in his post 320 where Grem contradicts himself (post 178 and 184).
From a quick glance at RR's post, it looks pretty good, I'll go over it later. And farside, you did not answer my questions, I dropped it because the refusal to answer was probably more incriminating than whatever answers you would have given.-
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Oh I haven't dropped it. You will see it again day 2. However, at this point, one of MM or Gremwell is by far the best lynch for today (as basically everyone has been talking about these two for a while now).RR wrote:305 - farside moving vote to MM for obvious reasons. Where did the case on farside go? Charter did some questioning earlier I thought was pretty good and didn't get a satisfactory answer iirc.
BINGORR wrote:Farside's 327 - ... I still think you just figured Crazy/me a comfortable target and good means to move your vote away from Occam.
Farside, I am not going to go back through the game and point out all the questions you did not answer. The answers are no longer meaningful to me. If you really want one, there's one I found while not even looking at the bottom of 324. There are plenty more from the beginning of the day.
We really shouldn't be lynching anyone until Gremwell comes back (at the very least). It would also be nice for christiano drago to come back to us.
I'm still pushing for Gremscum to be lynched. I agree that MM has been extremely scummy, but I still think Gremwell has been worse, and I see more of a link between Gremwell and farside than MM/farside.
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If you want a reason, if my vig kill is planned it lets Doctor, Jailkeeper, busdriver, probably someone else I'm missing mess with it, and since I don't know any of your alignments (and think at least one of you isn't town aligned) I can tell you now that you can discuss it all you want, but I won't be vigging who the town picks because the town picked that person.-
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How do you figure this?MonkeyMan576 wrote:I just love being a guinie pig to see if Gremwell is scum or not.
I wouldn't expect cornered scum to have negative reads on everyone. I'd expect it to be the opposite in fact. I do agree with your two comments though.RR wrote:MM's reads are mostly negative, as can be expected from scum who wants to keep his options open. Two points of note are me being his most pro town read, for a bad reason - stating I've been consisntantly scumhunting, when I just replaced in - probably a blatant attempt to link us, and having Oman at neutral for being a "follower" - which I don't think he has been - which could be a way to stay noncomittal on him, indicating a possible link.
I'm still pushing the Gremwell lynch, I think he's been way scummier than MM, speaking of whichcan we get a prod/replacement on Gremwell, he hasn't posted in over a week.-
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After thinking about it, you can't confirm a townie from Ceph's masoning. If Ceph is scum, then he can "confirm" anyone he wants.Yosarian2 wrote:Actually, it seems to me like an ideal thing for the town would be to see if we can get the bulletproof into a confirmed innocent (through cop investigaton or one-shot mason, I guess). If the bulletproof guy becomes a confirmed innocent, then he will never be lynched, can never be nightkilled, and it should really help the town; I mean, having a confirmed innocent who's 100% guarenteed to still be alive in endgame should improve town's chances a lot of winning that endgame, right? I mean, one confirmed innocent in a 3 man endgame helps a HUGE amount.
I spent a while asking people why they picked MM over Grem and got a bunch of BS answers. I think I asked if they would vote Grem over MM and they said no. Why would I change my vote to MM? He has been scummy as hell, even if I am waivering thinking he is scum. His lynch will give us lots of information as well.DP wrote:How do you know people will not change their votes? If you are waivering on MM, why would you change your vote to him?-
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Kind of, he kept talking about useless stuff we were way past and refused to comment on important things that were currently happening. He didn't give opinions on hardly anything.
Also, I take lurking to mean not posting at all. I didn't think he was doing this, he was posting, but not saying anything (active lurking, which would have been a reason I suspected him).-
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Farside, I explained why you went back down, I reread and saw that you revoted because Oman questioned your lack of vote, because earlier you said you unvoted to wait for Gremwell. I don't see any of your comments I should have commented on that I ignored either.
Oman, you even said a few minutes after farside revoted, that she took her vote off to avoid a hammer. It just seems like you knew this when questioning her about not having her vote on (because she didn't say anything about it in her post).-
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No, I see two different scenerios and you trying to say they are the same.ort wrote:See the parallel between this and me?
I overstate all the time.ort wrote:This seems an odd thing to say “you are scum" and not even follow it up with more substantive argument for me/Gremwell being scum.
Without checking reasons I already posted, some are that people favor MM's wagon over yours for what I think are invalid reasons, and Gremwell's 'gambit' and refusing to take a stance himself, even after it was pointed out he needed to.ort wrote:Why have I been boosted to number 1 since then?
Kind of explained this already but, town doctor doesn't know who to protect, scum doctor does. The scum doctor will significantly reduce crosskills.ort wrote:Why is the doctor particularly good at helping scum?
I question why all your points against me were never brought up before by anyone ort, why do you think this is? I also will wait to point out why other points of yours are wrong until whoever you were asking answers. And since today is probably going to end soon, my top two suspects are ort then farside. MM is being moved way down, because once again, he receives a vote over Grem for a BS reason. Ceph essentially just lynched MM because unless ort is going to try and get me lynched, (I assume at least) he's going to vote MM.-
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Grem/ort has been my top suspect for like ten pages.MacavityLock wrote:Apologies, my headspace has been taken up by another game over the past couple days.
I agree with RR: I don't see how anyone could have Monkey as not their top scum choice. In fact, charter switching his scumlist back to ort smells of bad OMGUS to me. But that's for tomorrow.-
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