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As Cephrr is only on three.
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Reading through last pages argument, I must say that I could see where Occam was coming from completely. I don't think its a useless role though. Just that the best scum hunter should've got it.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Your bandwagoning.Cephrir wrote:Obviously BP is not useless. If he plays a good protown game he can't be taken out. Yes, it is probably one of the weaker roles; I still don't get why that would automatically make him a lynch target.
Farside, those 5 reasons are basically the same reason a lot of times. #5 isn't even a reason to vote someone. Occam just voted and then was forced to defend his vote.
Why?Empking wrote:As Cephrr is only on three.
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Is that correct?Oman wrote:
Monkeymanwhy would you vote someone you thought was stupid over someone you thought was town?.
Cephrir, I don't buy your defence because it presumes you're an idiot.
Though, Farside does seem scummy but getting in a big, too long argument even when she's wrong does seem like classic town Farside to me.-
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Yeah, this last page of Gremwell's posts have been bad.
FoS: Gremwell
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88, was a sort of FoS. I don't think posting my thoughts on players I think are Pro-Town would be good for the town.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Cephrir and Gremwell.
Cephrir: Bandwagoning and then denying it. I don't think his defence was very good either.
Gremwell: The worlds most anti-town plan is mostly why I suspect him.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Cephrir, you don't random vote someone with that amount of votes unless you're an idiot. I don'yt think you're an idiot so I doubt its a random vote. But I'm voting you for one small reason when MM and G are very scummy.
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Vote; Monkeymanbecause of his reaction to been called possible scum.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Gremwell is bad but I think the overreaction is worse.charter wrote:
Agreed.Occam wrote:Roles aside I think Grem's played scummier. Monkeyman isn't far behind but I really don't think we ought to let the fact that this is an open setup get in the way of lynching scum.
I actually want to know why those voting MM picked him over Gremwell. I can see a possibility (remote though it may be) that MM just blew up over getting called scum as town. It doesn't excuse the rest of his scummy actions, but I think regardless, Gremwell is worse.-
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[url]https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?t=10062&start=[insert post number here][/url]
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At the time it was three apiece. How did you think their was more ease in voting MM than Gremwell?charter wrote:
I think MM is scum too. MM has more votes and none of the people voting him will vote for Gremwell for who knows what reason. It's kind of sad, but I'm actually kind of waivering on MM, mostly because of the ease at which people will vote him, and the difficulty in getting people to vote Gremwell (who is far scummier).Empking wrote:
Why would you change your vote?charter wrote:Well, if people don't start voting Gremwell soon I'm just going to move on to MM. I still think Gremwell is the scummiest, but MM and farside are right behind.
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What vote?MonkeyMan576 wrote:
So far, the two reasons I have heard that I am scummy is my reaction to being called scum, which was completely reasonable considering a reason for the vote was not given at the time, .RagingRabbit wrote:Funny, I just gave a whole lot of reasons why you're scummy. And if your only defense is "NOT!", well, don't expect to sweep anyone of his feet.-
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Vote; Gremwell
Though I still think MM is scummy, rereading the thread, I feel that Gremwell's plan, the famous "It wasn't scummy, it was a gambit" and the "I'll wait to see other's options" puts her/him as scummier.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Because Random Voting gives less info than pop corning.Drunken Piper wrote:oh, and we find out who
who doesnt like protown moves..
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dice claiming is the MOST random and least likely for scum to manipulate. EXPLAIN TO ME HOW wanting random claiming is scummy. and why I am worth a vote even before we have ANY claims..popcorn claiming helps scum craft their claims....
Yes. I played Smalltown+ as well. This bit is exceptionally scummy.also, before you voted Emp..did you read ANY of the smalltown games that have come before?
Who was? Not me. Very ScummyNo discussion should be had about yesterday's play before the claims are done..
Capital text, got a bit angry for just one vote..if you have a problem with this PLEASE READ THE OTHER SMALLTOWN GAMES..you will be enlightened. discussion about yesterday's plays will help scum craft their claim today..claims are how we hunt scum...
Still overly angry. Not only that but he's trying to argue that I'm scum because I think DP is scum.if you have a problem with dice claiming..I want an explanation WHY..NOW...
if you think I am scummy for wanting dice claiming..I want an explanation NOW
this is crucial at the beginning part of the Day 2. Only scum will be frightened of random claiming..
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Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Still Angry.Drunken Piper wrote:EMP READ THE GAEM
Raging Rabbit wrote:I think we're better off with the popcorn method we talked about earlier.Since Occam basically volunteered his claim, he should choose the next to do so.
And I agree it makes sense to also claim if you know you got targeted by other roles (i.e masonier or inventor).
(It was probably Semi-Simu BTW)
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As Popcorning is more pro-town.Drunken Piper wrote:so I am scummy for wanting the random claiming? WHY IS RANDOM CLAIMING SCUMMY?
I did fully claim.BUT,. you are not scummy for wanting to control the claim order? ie not fully claiming
That just makes your reluctance to claim even scummier.and wanting me to claim (you do know I am a BP right with no night actions)
Over reaction is scummy.also so what if I am angry?..explain that that is revelant (please god say that over reaction and anger was scummy..please)
Because there is a search button on this site.Emp why are you not curious (ie wanting a link) of games that scum have argued random claiming...why are you not curious (wanting a link) of games that scum wanted to control the order of claiming Day 2?-
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Dice Popcorn = No, its not even proper popcorning.
Regular Popcorn - Occam has a role and picked that he went first - Him popcorning - No.
The two night actionless people should go first. That makes sense.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Ort you shouldn't have claimed first. DP rolled so he could change his reaction to popcorning once he knew who was going first. We shouldn't have gave that to him.
Almost sure DP is scum.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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You know What I meant.Drunken Piper wrote:Lying 101,
get your facts straight, son.
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Empking wrote:I didn't have a problem with choosing randomly. I had a problem with allowing you to know who would go first.Empking wrote:Vote: Drunken Piper
Trying to get random claims with a descision from the town to do that clearly not pro-town plan.
As I have no night action.
DrunkenPiper, you can go first.
backtracking, stretching, and lies...YOU HAD A HUGE PROBLEM WITH RANDOM CLAIMING...Empking wrote:
As Popcorning is more pro-town.Drunken Piper wrote:so I am scummy for wanting the random claiming? WHY IS RANDOM CLAIMING SCUMMY?
vote empking(unless something in claims changes this)
You orginally spouted that I must be scum because I wanted random claiming..now you are saying you didnt have a problem with random claiming after I pushed you to explain why. I didnt care who went first...I just wanted it to be random. THAT IS WHY YOU INTIALLY ATTACKED ME.
you lied about not thinking random claiming is scummy (which is why you first started attacking me). Now you are back tracking on that. You are stretching with you "case": Over reaction is scummy...and since I didnt claim (even though I dont have night actions) after you wanted me to..I must me scummy.
I would like to hear EVERYONE's thoughts on this bullshit...
you havent claimed yet (and I dont think you should until your turn)..if someone targetted you or not last night.Occam wrote:What do you mean partially claimed?
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I got no sabilities.
DP rolled without asdking the town. He rolled so he could no if the person with the first choice would hurt the scum. Only scum would do that.
DP admitted to having a night action. He is BP. BP does not have a night action. Scum have a night action. Therefore BP is scum.Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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When did he ask the first qquestion? (That I didn't answer.)Occam wrote:I have to say, Emp is looking a lot worse that DP in this exchange. Emp, regardless of who has more votes, I believe DP asked you those questions before you asked him. Answering them would be nice.
I also don't understand how not claiming is the same as admitting to being scum. Especially since he's BP - the only logical conclusion to draw from his unwillingness to claim is that he was waiting to reveal whether or not he was targeted. How you can draw the conclusion that he's scum from that, I'm not sure.
I don't think either side of this claiming order debate is any more or less right or scummy than the other. It really doesn't matter whether the person who starts is randomly chosen by dice or if someone just starts. To me the order of night actions method made most sense, but regardless, I also don't understand Emp's insistence that rolling dice was scummy. How? It's still random and DP still can't control it.
For pressing this bizarre, weak case to no logical end,vote: Empking
DP is dodging the question and in order to disguise that he's asking more questions. That's what scum would do.-
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acutally emp, I dont have a fucking clue what you are saying..did you or did you not intially attack me for wanting random claiming? AND why are you ignoring questions?
Empking, partially claimed, no night action.
Emp were you targetted last night with anything or are you going to not answer that question either?
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Yes.
This was the first quote with a question I didn't answer and its already talking about ignoring questions. Smells like scum to me.
Repeating me not answering questions but apparantly this is the first dodge. DP is scum.
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backtracking, stretching, and lies...YOU HAD A HUGE PROBLEM WITH RANDOM CLAIMING...
vote empking (unless something in claims changes this)
You orginally spouted that I must be scum because I wanted random claiming..now you are saying you didnt have a problem with random claiming after I pushed you to explain why. I didnt care who went first...I just wanted it to be random. THAT IS WHY YOU INTIALLY ATTACKED ME.
you lied about not thinking random claiming is scummy (which is why you first started attacking me). Now you are back tracking on that. You are stretching with you "case": Over reaction is scummy...and since I didnt claim (even though I dont have night actions) after you wanted me to..I must me scummy.
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Er, where is the question?
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Speaking of scum, why do you GET to decide you popcorned first?
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Because its better than your idea.
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I "Ignored" questions because you wouldn't answer mine.
Over reaction is scummy because scum do it more often than town.
I haven't produuced a "case" because people presume I'm wrong whatever I do.
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New question, exactly the same as the old question. He's just repeating himself so I either have to repeat myself or "ignore" a question. Clearly a scum trick.
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I asked the question as I can't understand why town would want random claims but not random lynch.
How old I am does not impact my role. This is a scum tactic to ask that.
I don't think about games after I'm lynched.
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DP: Why did you ignore my question? Do you find ignoring questions scummy?Plus, if you guys want to make a point, skip the walls, because everyone else in the game does as well. - Magister Ludi-
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Ad hom.Drunken Piper wrote:One other point...
up in this joint.
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Emp, the more I think about your play(this is our second game together), the more I am disgusted. If at this end of this game. You are indeed town and not some variant of scum (SK, mafia)..I will never join another game with you. I keep going back and forth on if you are scum or just a really horrible player. My meta on you is that you are just a horrible player.
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CKD: Does that make sense to you?Drunken Piper wrote:
Not ad hom...it is a truth...this is not a attack on what role/alignment you have in this game...this is attack on your general play across the board...If you are town...I WILL never join another game with you..to go into more detail at this point will break rules and just result in insults.Empking wrote:
Ad hom.Drunken Piper wrote:One other point...
up in this joint.
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Emp, the more I think about your play(this is our second game together), the more I am disgusted. If at this end of this game. You are indeed town and not some variant of scum (SK, mafia)..I will never join another game with you. I keep going back and forth on if you are scum or just a really horrible player. My meta on you is that you are just a horrible player.
Why do you use Ad Hom?
going to address your bigger post...when I have time.
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I know it was, that's why I wasn't calling you scum for it.
I just know that when I "cross post" I often don't look at the posts above mine.
************8acutally emp, I dont have a fucking clue what you are saying..did you or did you not intially attack me for wanting random claiming? AND why are you ignoring questions?
Empking, partially claimed, no night action.
Emp were you targetted last night with anything or are you going to not answer that question either?
Yes.
This was the first quote with a question I didn't answer and its already talking about ignoring questions. Smells like scum to me.
Repeating me not answering questions but apparantly this is the first dodge. DP is scum.
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vote empking (unless something in claims changes this)
You orginally spouted that I must be scum because I wanted random claiming..now you are saying you didnt have a problem with random claiming after I pushed you to explain why. I didnt care who went first...I just wanted it to be random. THAT IS WHY YOU INTIALLY ATTACKED ME.
you lied about not thinking random claiming is scummy (which is why you first started attacking me). Now you are back tracking on that. You are stretching with you "case": Over reaction is scummy...and since I didnt claim (even though I dont have night actions) after you wanted me to..I must me scummy.
Er, where is the question?
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Because its better than your idea.
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I "Ignored" questions because you wouldn't answer mine.
Over reaction is scummy because scum do it more often than town.
I haven't produuced a "case" because people presume I'm wrong whatever I do.
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New question, exactly the same as the old question. He's just repeating himself so I either have to repeat myself or "ignore" a question. Clearly a scum trick.
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I asked the question as I can't understand why town would want random claims but not random lynch.
How old I am does not impact my role. This is a scum tactic to ask that.
I don't think about games after I'm lynched.
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We're not voting for who acts odd. We're looking for who ascts scum. In your case its definately the first guy. (doesn't want to commit to a view point.)Raging Rabbit wrote:If you saw a guy walk down the street and another guy comes up to him and asks if he by any chance supports the AIDS virus, and the guy gives him a funny look and keeps going without bothering to answer, who would you think acted odd?-
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But that quote defines RR's reasons for voting me. Not that I'm acting scummy but that I'm acting odd.charter wrote:
RR's post was to show you that you're being ridiculous. The fact that you gave a serious answer is just taking it too far.Empking wrote:
Charter I asked you a question. It was about you saying that my post in regards to RR's "story" was ridiculous?Empking wrote:Cephrir's recent posts are wierd and don't seem to follow the same thought. Slightly more scummy and he's still one of my big perople I'd vote for.-
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