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i'm glad you're seizing your chance to be a [BIG SHOT]In post 11, Gamma Emerald wrote:I chose it because I was trying to do a spambot vibef the steelers-
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hopefully not in anticipation of dunking on us again, right?In post 16, Venus Fly Trap wrote:Really excited for this one
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I like the sentiment expressed here and i think it's a little +town in that i think it's likely a scum player would be just looking for a way to get integrated into the thread more than trying to really develop reads based on reactions and probably doesn't think to post this postmortem on the initial trajectory after nobody really bit.In post 32, Gamma Emerald wrote:That’s why I’m dismayed it got met with indifference this game.
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interesting, although there's no way to get from A to B for me (or rather I think the ones I can think of are implausible for dunn to open with)In post 52, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Vote: Dunnf the steelers-
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I was assuming that all scum roles are non mountain dew drinks (hence "off brand") in which case its necessarily NOT a true claimIn post 56, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:why wouldn't it bef the steelers-
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ebwopIn post 57, Towelie wrote:I was assuming that all scum roles are non mountain dew drinks (hence "off brand") in which case its necessarily NOT a true claim [for him to be scum]f the steelers-
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low complexity is not necessarily commensurate w/ normal, nor do i think cabd just started w/ a setup and haphazardly assigned roles to it.
That said, I don't think that makes Code Red slam dunk being a PR; this is analogous to the possibility assigning the protagonist of your flavor as a VT role in theme games, something that is well within the realm of what Cabd might do.
How do you know she's lying? She hasn't even really said anything concrete yet.In post 73, Dunnstral wrote:Your actions are incomprehensible. All I know is that you are lying about your role.f the steelers-
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ugh, ebwop again.In post 82, Towelie wrote:low complexity is not necessarily commensurate w/ normal, nor do i think cabd just started w/ a setup and haphazardly assigned [flavor] to it.f the steelers-
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Like I think in a dunn scum world you have to at least believe it's not so beloved to the mod that it'd be not in the game at all and a fakeclaim instead.
I don't believe in a world where scum roles are anything but non mountain dew drinks at this point with mountain dew drink fakeclaims; it just makes the scum alighment being "competitor brand" extremely sloppy if this isn't the case.
That said if LLD has something that contradicts this I'll revisit when that time comes, but before that happens i'll mostly be basing my dunn read off of this interaction and not anything nebulously setup related because the pieces don't fit correctly atm.f the steelers-
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i don't have an issue w/ Dunn's explanation here, and i think frame of reference on whether or not one thinks of [claiming flavor => giving away info] is really the key to interpreting this action as something other than null (which is how i was inclined to sort it)In post 65, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:See this, I don't buy.f the steelers-
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I don't think it was intended to be town clearing? It's either his role or its a mod provided fakeclaim. Either way it's under his purview.In post 86, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:have that level of town clearing on it.
I can see a world where town-dunn got that role and wanted to flex on noddy and me for getting it, or a world where scum-dunn had it as his fakeclaim and wanted to basically do the same thing. I did something similar when I came out of the gate being super excited to roll Meiling in GIF's Touhou game. I wasn't Meiling at all, but if I had been I'd likely have done the same thing (in fairness, that's hard to say, not having had that opportunity)
actually, noddy was Flandre legitimately that game and basically did the same thing.f the steelers-
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which is what?In post 87, Toogeloo wrote:Dunn's already done something that is completely off meta from what I've observed scum him do.f the steelers-
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just for claiming flavor?In post 105, Toogeloo wrote:I'm assuming Dunn.is town
that seems, i dunno, really obviously flimsy?f the steelers-
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In post 111, Critter wrote:Therefore if anyone townreads Dunn I would expect those players to be of similar alignment. Eg if Dunn is town, person townreading Dunn is town and if Dunn scum person scum.
This makes basically no sense to mef the steelers-
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I don't have any issue with what you're saying in 114, although I think the meta deviation thing is a little overblown in general; he flavor claimed. It's...seriously within the realm of basically anyone's play given the right circumstances.
I'm having a harder time how you're getting the positive or negative interactions between other players and dunn based on dunn's own alignment, some of which have to obviously not know his alignment beforehand and evaluate it based on their interpretations of all of this. I think a town player could potentially come to either conclusion right here is what I'm saying.f the steelers-
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I mean if that's just a general principle you hold then i can see how you got here but i guess i really don't think things are really ever this simple. I think the fact that you made 121 weakens what you were (i think) getting at in 111 which is making me question why you made 111 in the first place.In post 123, Critter wrote:Those who defend a person who have been accused (I don’t want to say guiltied as I don’t know) combined with the meta shift tend to be of similar alignment.
I don't really feel going further on this is going to help me read you so i'm keen to drop it unless you have anything else to clarify on it.f the steelers-
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just did some follow up on this and i'm actually just dead fucking wrong:In post 82, Towelie wrote:low complexity is not necessarily commensurate w/ normal, nor do i think cabd just started w/ a setup and haphazardly assigned roles to it.
I'm having trouble figuring out how just the mere existence of code red becomes impossible w/ LLD's role when considering thisIn post 82, Cabd wrote:Other: Players should expect a fairly balanced non-swingy game that plays more like a classic normal game from the 2013 era, with mountain dew flavor shamelessly bolted on top of it.f the steelers-
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regardless of the fact it's demonstrably a wrong vote now i don't like this previously quoted reason for voting her:In post 183, Dunnstral wrote:That's not what you said though. You said that my claim of Code Red was a true claim in post 56, even adding "why wouldn't it be?".
Now you're saying something different, you're saying that Code Red wouldn't be in the game.
I think that this kind of logical inconsistency coming from you strongly points towards scum.
VOTE: Lady Lambdadelta
you're kinda just pretending the underlined doesn't exist when comparing this post w/ 56LLD wrote:I think Cabd would refuse to allow a massclaim to break the game, or at least would prevent the named townie syndrome from happening. Given my role, I'm pretty confident that either there are some flavours in the game that you expect to be there that won't (see: Code Red)or that some of the Mtn Dew flavours won't be town.f the steelers-
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this seems about as lazy as the TR he gave on you; why is this town indicative for him in particularIn post 183, Dunnstral wrote:I have a light town lean on Toog because I think they softed their flavor which is +town for them, in my opinionf the steelers-
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i feel like that's self evident and very obviously not an argument she would ever be seriously trying to make for you being scumIn post 207, Dunnstral wrote:We already know that some people aren't town.f the steelers-
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and i was saying the potential for her original idea of some mountain dew flavors (yours in this case) was right in that post and therefore not a contradiction
ultimately it doesn't matter if i'm right or not, it matters what you plausibly thought at the time, but just the manner in which you prepared to turn this into a 1v1 at the time felt awkward to me
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I know, Nacho spoiled us and none of these reveals ever hold up to that brilliant postIn post 223, Something_Smart wrote:
Omega sigh.In post 186, Cabd wrote:Lady Lambadelta is Diet Mountain Dew, Macho Activated Innocent Child, aligned with On-Brand (Town)f the steelers-
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and why is that scummy?In post 227, Dunnstral wrote:I'm saying her two different posts had a change in viewpoint.
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what did critter do between 166 and now, 166 seemed like a townread on critter?In post 245, MUSHSHAGANA wrote:Critter
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i think you just inadvertently answered my Q to mush, who i now also think thought dunn was hammered.In post 252, Lady Lambdadelta wrote:Jesus I thought this was a quickhammer because of those posts wtf
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With a fresh head today trying to take a more holistic approach toward the game, well, I don't have a very good feeling about it. I still don't know about dunn.
I think gamma is probably town, I'm starting to come around on critter town i think but that's mostly gut around how they handled the mush inquiries earlier.
Other than that this game is full of people who don't emit intentions very much early, are being deliberately close to chest, or have been mostly nonentities. If it comes down to it I am probably keen to sheep LLD d1.
I am a little worried we're seeing tenet pooky because this is how he approached coming over to inverted from forward (the appearance of wanting to engage vs actually wanting to engage - hence the "i'm around for 3 minutes and then i leave" kind of behavior)
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I will say dunn's perspective on toogeloo is a lot more nuanced here than it appeared to be in isekai
Dunn on toog in isekai "toog's opening looks weird because i expect him to be more forthright" => plummets to bottom of reads
here i feel like he might be acting on conflicting opinions (+town due to early flavor claim, -town due to toog's early stance on dunn)
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fairly hard disagree here, why?
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honestly i'm inclined to +1 this post; i'm not trying to gotcha anyone i just want explanations for shit lolIn [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=13077690#p13077690]post 379[/url], Milk & Mocha wrote:How is that a catch?
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fuck baja blastIn post 398, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:implying our lord and savior baja blast isn't the protagonist?
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thy flesh consumed still one of the best map packs ever
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Why are you guys scumreading gammaIn [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=13077743#p13077743]post 405[/url], Milk & Mocha wrote:
You enjoy your good days while they last. When Pooky gets back and kicks your ass hard, your scum buddies are gonna have to bus you hard.In post 401, Gamma Emerald wrote:
Eh, it’s not exactly well reasoned but I haven’t seen a town post from your hydra yet so idc, I’ll put out lame points however much I wantIn [url=https://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.php?p=13077713#p13077713]post 392[/url], Milk & Mocha wrote:
Your scum read on me is pretty dumb. Pooky's always right. U scum scum.In post 381, Gamma Emerald wrote:Are you at null or scum wrt me?f the steelers-
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The reaction thinking you were hammeredIn post 408, Dunnstral wrote:Towelie, why do you guys townread Mush?
I panicked myself and had to check with Bork that it wasn’t a hammerf the steelers-
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that's notty's read so i'll defer to him on itIn post 408, Dunnstral wrote:Towelie, why do you guys townread Mush?
only thing i really have is consistency of trajectory on critter once she thought dunn was flipping (went from town to 'uhhhhhh' which is what i'd have done) and i acknowledge that's pretty much nothing; i don't have much else there since she's being deliberately obfuscatory
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She wasn’t explicitly townreading you either, though? She kinda said she was keeping an eye on you, and frankly your reaction after LLD confirmed herself felt kinda icky to me as well, so it’s in the realm of believable that her read went south like that?In post 416, Dunnstral wrote:Why was that a town reaction though?
They weren't scumreading me before that point, and kind of got locked into scumreading me after - something which they still haven't explained for all the words they type. And they prefer to vote strangematter here even though they seemed pretty confident that I was flipping red (I am but not the kind you're hoping for).
And multiple people aren’t explaining their reads this game and it’s a bit of an eye roll but I know I’ve done it and do it myself so I can’t really talk.f the steelers-
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i'm probably here tooIn post 423, Something_Smart wrote:Meh. It's +town but not conclusive. Funny though.
i also still think town gamma still being thirsty town
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