Mini 2237: Scarlet Witch Alternate Reality Mafia - Game Over

[T3]

Hi folks! I was on my way to be a responsible adult and look up the information for my interview tomorrow but then I noticed a PM which said this game was starting which meant I got an excuse to procrastinate!

Quick! Let's put NM on E-1 so he will selfhammer!
VOTE: Not_Mafia

Town.

VOTE: Not_Mafia

Town?

Yay town PM, I get to actually enjoy the theme of the game this time.
VOTE: Cyrus

Scum?

this is scarlet witch alternate reality mafea
VOTE: roden
hi bb

Scum.

VOTE: Shrek.

literally fabricated a readlist

[T3]

mastina's post is NAI.

[T3]

Oh, I think I get it >.>

Well I

am

town and I

have

already breadcrumbed my role but I would genuinely be legit impressed if you did in fact get it as whatever you think you got is like...98% likely to be wrong.

(Obviously best for you to not say what you think you got tho. I'm just letting you know that I'm giving ya only a 2% chance at having guessed it right since this is a role I don't feel the need to heavily breadcrumb.)

I don't really understand, because it's same message and how you feel differently from it.

I mean, neither do I. I don't understand why I get the gut vibes that I do, if I did I wouldn't call them gut vibes. They're obviously subject to change past the RVS but I'll take gut vibes in the rvs over nothing in the rvs, so. Is at least a decent way to get us beyond the rvs quickly. Ya take what you can get.

Shrek already giving off a totally different vibe from last game where he was a slimey scumbutt.

I mean I've not seen Shrek before but Shrek looks like a slimey scumbutt to me

here

. I'll take your word for it tho and do this though;
VOTE: Roden
For a similar single-game sample size in that Roden feels totally different in vibe to me already from Chrono Trigger where Roden was town.

The part about the crumb shoots mastina up to locktown.

[T3]

mastina's post is NAI.

Could you be more specific? Lol

She does this

every

game.

[T3]

For the record he's right more often than not.

yknow, like the game where i locktowned two newbies by page 5 and was accused of tmi and then dumbly claimed mason when ran up

[T3]

That does nothing to convince me you're making actual reads lol

VOTE: Roden
From an objective standpoint what mastina is doing makes no sense. The way you're gunning for mastina feels like you want to get an ez mislim.

[T3]

It's easy to make a reads list page 1 when you're scum.

Falling for Mastina's trap.

VOTE: Mastina

Target's Mastina and recognizes her as a threat.

Mastina third party?

Scum tell. Hunting for 3Ps already. Wowee.

T3 are you not town

T3 could be their partner, this looks like distancing.

That does nothing to convince me you're making actual reads lol

Calling out Mastina's legitimacy of her reads when it's obvious the list is a RT.

I'm so good at catching wolves when trying to blend in.

Thank you Mastina!

This post fails my vibecheck but you seem very different to Yakra so you can get a townread.

[T3]

VOTE: t3 I think t3 is scum here he's already making excuse to scum read people but enchant could also be scum. Hoping for a flash elemation.

what the fuck tbh

[T3]

i feel like mistina's reads are to bait out scums poor reactions to it tbh, not actually serious

I strongly agree with this, and while it may have been unintentional Roden's reaction was

terrible

.

[T3]

i feel like mistina's reads are to bait out scums poor reactions to it tbh, not actually serious

Every game I play with her she does these reads as scum or town basically it's just where she feels people are at so far I'm pretty sure it's nai regardless. But that doesn't mean I dislike it.

So you admit that it's NAI for Mastina and yet you'd quick hammer her because you dont like her style.

If you are town you should be policy yote

If you are scum then you should be yeeted.

Scum

Rode
Cyrus




This game is gonna be easy

cyrus tends to obvscum as scum - time will tell.

[T3]

ego post - how are we at 5 pages?

Site meta has changed, old man

[T3]

Also I would hammer mistina if they reach e1 nm but be quicker then me . I hate wall post. And throwing out reads on page 1 is just disgusting.

i feel like mistina's reads are to bait out scums poor reactions to it tbh, not actually serious

Every game I play with her she does these reads as scum or town basically it's just where she feels people are at so far I'm pretty sure it's nai regardless. But that doesn't mean I don't dislike it.

So in the first post you say you'd quickhammer Mastina for wallposting and because throwing reads on page 1 is disgusting.
But in the second post you said it's NAI for her.

This reads to me as someone not willing to compromise on their read on Mastina to avoid heat, ending up getting heat anyway because of the contradicting nature of those statements.

That's a scum slip in my opinion, only trumped by Cheeky contradiction of hating Mastina's content and then townreading me when im using Mastina's content to read people off of them.

I would Yeet Roden then Cheeky then you, in that specific order.

I think this reason is invalid as scum cyrus just doesn't plan that much.

[T3]

T3 is gonna be my confidante - i can feel it

[T3]

i feel like mistina's reads are to bait out scums poor reactions to it tbh, not actually serious

Every game I play with her she does these reads as scum or town basically it's just where she feels people are at so far I'm pretty sure it's nai regardless. But that doesn't mean I dislike it.

So you admit that it's NAI for Mastina and yet you'd quick hammer her because you dont like her style.

If you are town you should be policy yote

If you are scum then you should be yeeted.

Scum

Rode
Cyrus




This game is gonna be easy

Trying to get me out early so you don't get caught again huh

I hate this post -_-

[T3]

The way Roden is playing rn and actively gunning for people for shit reasons means he's probably scum. I also get why mastina says Roden feels different to Yakra.

[T3]

This game is aggressive, sheesh.

Get me when you calm down.

Very slightly town indicative.

[T3]

i feel like mistina's reads are to bait out scums poor reactions to it tbh, not actually serious

Every game I play with her she does these reads as scum or town basically it's just where she feels people are at so far I'm pretty sure it's nai regardless. But that doesn't mean I dislike it.

So you admit that it's NAI for Mastina and yet you'd quick hammer her because you dont like her style.

If you are town you should be policy yote

If you are scum then you should be yeeted.

Scum

Rode
Cyrus




This game is gonna be easy

Trying to get me out early so you don't get caught again huh

When have you ever caught me? Our first game where i was scum and had you all pocketed, i had to sub out due to family tragedy, otherwise you'd be still remembering the whooping i gave you today.

It's easy to make a reads list page 1 when you're scum.

Falling for Mastina's trap.

VOTE: Mastina

Target's Mastina and recognizes her as a threat.

Mastina third party?

Scum tell. Hunting for 3Ps already. Wowee.

T3 are you not town

T3 could be their partner, this looks like distancing.

That does nothing to convince me you're making actual reads lol

Calling out Mastina's legitimacy of her reads when it's obvious the list is a RT.

I'm so good at catching wolves when trying to blend in.

Thank you Mastina!

VOTE: Guillo

Nice scum claim.

This is scum looking for a shitty reason to OMGUS. I got you good Roden huh?

i think he means 'when they are trying to blend in'

I hope not because his town game would be abysmally bad compared to his scum game then.

Stop attacking the player instead of the play if you ever hope to become as great as i am.

>>Fixed the image tag- AA9<<

[T3]

bah

[T3]

I feel like scum Galron would ask more questions to appear like he's posting content from looking at his ISO in Radio Buzz [towngame] and Calculasia [scumgame].
kk time for english homework

[T3]

The way Roden is playing rn and actively gunning for people for shit reasons means he's probably scum. I also get why mastina says Roden feels different to Yakra.

old man thinks it's just reaching rather than scum reaching. could be wrong later tho. i see worse people here for now

Enchant has 5 posts and 4 are RVS. What did you find scummy?

[T3]

The way Roden is playing rn and actively gunning for people for shit reasons means he's probably scum. I also get why mastina says Roden feels different to Yakra.

You're playing

very

differently this game.

I am.

[T3]

That does nothing to convince me you're making actual reads lol

VOTE: Roden
From an objective standpoint what mastina is doing makes no sense. The way you're gunning for mastina feels like you want to get an ez mislim.

You've seen my scum games more than anyone else, you should know I don't push ez mis-elims D1, I save them for later lol. I just think Mastina is scum for giving reads on people who hadn't even posted yet. Feel free to meta dive me if you don't believe me.

I'll see.
Your reaction to pressure this game is quite different to Yakra though.

[T3]

The way Roden is playing rn and actively gunning for people for shit reasons means he's probably scum. I also get why mastina says Roden feels different to Yakra.

old man thinks it's just reaching rather than scum reaching. could be wrong later tho. i see worse people here for now

Enchant has 5 posts and 4 are RVS. What did you find scummy?

FLESHWAGON

I....

[T3]

Cheeky is gut town.
I still stronkly think it is RODEN.

[T3]

I find it interesting that this is all Zulu chooses to comment on.

[T3]

I find it interesting that this is all Zulu chooses to comment on.

What else do you think they should be talking about?

Roden

[T3]

That does nothing to convince me you're making actual reads lol

VOTE: Roden
From an objective standpoint what mastina is doing makes no sense. The way you're gunning for mastina feels like you want to get an ez mislim.

What about Mastina didnt make sense?

She broke us out of RVS, RT several players and generated content. It absolutely makes sense.

Her earlier reads.

[T3]

That does nothing to convince me you're making actual reads lol

VOTE: Roden
From an objective standpoint what mastina is doing makes no sense. The way you're gunning for mastina feels like you want to get an ez mislim.

It's easy to make a reads list page 1 when you're scum.

Falling for Mastina's trap.

VOTE: Mastina

Target's Mastina and recognizes her as a threat.

Mastina third party?

Scum tell. Hunting for 3Ps already. Wowee.

T3 are you not town

T3 could be their partner, this looks like distancing.

That does nothing to convince me you're making actual reads lol

Calling out Mastina's legitimacy of her reads when it's obvious the list is a RT.

I'm so good at catching wolves when trying to blend in.

Thank you Mastina!

This post fails my vibecheck but you seem very different to Yakra so you can get a townread.

I dont get it, we arrived at the same conclusion, only i explained it in detail and i failed your vibe check????

Yes. You agreeing with me holds less merit because it's multiball.

[T3]

Ngl I don't think Cheeky is town though.

wanna go into it more or are you just dropping it down and letting it roll

I can also save everyone's time and claim now if you guys really want to waste time pushing me as a mis-elim.

No don't do that. You could make this more productive by focusing on others instead of being focusing on yourself. It seems like you're townreading everyone pushing you by assuming they're wasting time instead of pushing ulterior motives.

This is a basic town cred post. Reading this makes you want to think she's town because it's a pro-town post, but it's just generic advice that doesn't actually do anything to advance the game. She doesn't even have an opinion on me despite her take on what I said.

I can see the scum reads on Cyrus, but dude is almost always the miselim, like T3 said let him dig his own grave.

VOTE: Roden

She can see the scum reads on Cyrus but says to let him get mis-elim'd. She then votes me with zero context.

For the record I do not support the roden wagon right now.
This feels very apart from his scum play that I am used to. (Haven't had any personal experience with town!roden but have played with scum! Roden a few times.)

I only have that one scum game to go off and I'm not seeing anything that different contrary to Shrek.

Zero explanation of this take.

I'm not town reading everyone pushing me either, by everyone I mean literally everyone

So why assume it's wasting time? If we didn't wagon anyone, we'd have a low info game. That after a few votes you're threatening to claim to dissolve the wagon instead of trying to parse it doesn't sit well.

She claims she doesn't like that I'm trying to dissolve me own wagon. Like I said before, it's a pointless statement and is basically just low key shade without having to commit.

D: your face is meaningless.

Transparent attempt to look playful that just comes across as awkward. Still no explanation of any of her takes or reads.

This shade is so funny and scummy.

[T3]

i don't think any of 245 is scum-aligned but i think it's terrible logic overall. zero explanation of a take? really? isn't that why i asked you for

your

take? what would cheeky say to satisfy you? i can go one by one but it's not worth my time

pre-edit:

Because talent has nothing to do with knowledge.

...so you just admitted that you're just lucky? yikes

Im not sure if im getting scum vibes from you or if you are just hating.

1. What the fuck not knowing a rule has anything to do with talent?
2. How the fuck is that relevant?
3. How the fuck does that make me lucky?
4. How is being lucky correlated to being talented lacking some knowledge?

Like… what the actual fuck are you on bud?

Can you fuck off?
Your ego is taking up the thread.

[T3]

Cheeky with the ego tell thing seems like town.

[T3]

That does nothing to convince me you're making actual reads lol

VOTE: Roden
From an objective standpoint what mastina is doing makes no sense. The way you're gunning for mastina feels like you want to get an ez mislim.

What about Mastina didnt make sense?

She broke us out of RVS, RT several players and generated content. It absolutely makes sense.

Her earlier reads.

What about them?

Her earlier play made no sense, she was making up reads.

[T3]

That does nothing to convince me you're making actual reads lol

VOTE: Roden
From an objective standpoint what mastina is doing makes no sense. The way you're gunning for mastina feels like you want to get an ez mislim.

It's easy to make a reads list page 1 when you're scum.

Falling for Mastina's trap.

VOTE: Mastina

Target's Mastina and recognizes her as a threat.

Mastina third party?

Scum tell. Hunting for 3Ps already. Wowee.

T3 are you not town

T3 could be their partner, this looks like distancing.

That does nothing to convince me you're making actual reads lol

Calling out Mastina's legitimacy of her reads when it's obvious the list is a RT.

I'm so good at catching wolves when trying to blend in.

Thank you Mastina!

This post fails my vibecheck but you seem very different to Yakra so you can get a townread.

I dont get it, we arrived at the same conclusion, only i explained it in detail and i failed your vibe check????

Yes. You agreeing with me holds less merit because it's multiball.

Huh? I arrived at that conclusion before you did!

How am I agreeing with you when it's the other way around? Lol. If anything, you should call it a mindmeld if you genuinely arrived at the same conclusion.

It's the equivalent of failing your own vibe check?

???

[T3]

i dont think guillotina flips red but if there's a vig, i think you know what to do

I was about to say 'hmm let's policy guillo'

[T3]

T3/Zyla/Enchant with a side of Roden?

nou

[T3]

I'm liking hiraki for town.

[T3]

All of Cheeky's posts sound natural, in a sense.

[T3]

Setup Spec because I enjoy it:

Have we considered that the game could be 2 groupscum with 2 players each?

Also if it is 3rd party I'd say a cult leader is probably likely. (Why would you have to publically reveal it is multiball if it was an sk?) Either that or something wacky like a condemner or something.

I'm not familiar with the flavor, but would a cult/ second groupscum make sense in that context?

@fresh newb straight from tos,
there is almost never a cult here

[T3]

i also really like guillotina and potentially cheeky for town. neutral on enchant and t3 atm

For the record, while I'm struggling to lock down Shrek as town/scum here, I can say that Shrek at least is feeling better to me. No longer looks like scum, and is gun-to-my-head town.

I still feel like my townread on Cheeky holds as good, so given the Cheeky townread + cyrus townread + NM townread still holding + feeling Shrek is north of null, prolly can make another readslist.

Galron*
CheekyTeeky

cyrus62
Not_Mafia

T3
Enchant

Shrek

Guillotina
MegAzumarill

Zyla
Hiraki

Roden

*Relies on me being right about an assumption of mine that I don't want to elaborate on because I genuinely feel it'd be antitown to do so.

This doesn't feel good to me, but is currently:
Strong-town
Town-but-not-absolute
Previously-strong-town-less-sure-now
Lean-town
Null-positive
Null-negative
Scum.

As of bottom of page 4. Still working on it tho.

I'm going to go out on a limb and say we should never lim mastina. This post is wildly towny

[T3]

I believe I saw aa9 ask somewhere about 9:2:2 multiballs.

[T3]

All of Cheeky's posts sound natural, in a sense.

Townreading me isn't going to get me to change my mind lol

Why are you scumreading me then?

[T3]

I feel like scum Galron would ask more questions to appear like he's posting content from looking at his ISO in Radio Buzz [towngame] and Calculasia [scumgame].

Weirdly enough my vibes from T3 is that he's telling the truth about all his reads and that they are mostly good regardless of his alignment but in spite of him having truthful, good reads, I'm not sure he's town.

My reads are almost always honest as either alignment, albeit scum me has a tendency to TMI.

[T3]

why do you care?

idk

[T3]

I... don't really know what *counts* as town as far as characters go

Ditto. I feel like this might be a bit of a mistake to reveal but I'm actually not familiar with the source material as my family does not have access to any platform Wandavision is on. I'm familiar with

my

character as I looked her up before I even got my role PM for ~reasons~ (circa 2-3 days before I got my role PM due to [redacted to not give it away]), but I don't actually know much about the source material. I have watched almost every MCU film and watched Agents of Shield start to finish and got to see the first season of Agent Carter as well as like half of season 2 for that show and I periodically look up things about other MCU things I don't have the knowledge on but I don't know as much about Wandavision as I should. (I only joined the game because I was invited to join the game.)

Also, scum probably have town-sounding fakeclaims anyway.

RE: Zyla: not getting a lock on alignment either way yet.

ego post - how are we at 5 pages?

I will say that Hiraki has a decent chance of being scum here though. (This is an easier post to quote than 111 but the sentiment remains.)

I simply don't see any universe where mastina received a red pm. (or a purple one or smth)

[T3]

mastina is playing slightly to her scum meta though :/

[T3]

RODEN's reaction to pressure in yakra was getting angry, this game he's pushing through it.

[T3]

hmmmm
yes
the average town citizen, turned evil by dark and mystic forces

[T3]

Btw I'm Todd Davis/Arthur Hart. My flavor is that I play the role of Vision's boss once reality gets altered by Wanda. I can role claim next if necessary, but my power is relatively weak.

hmmmmmmm

[T3]

At this stage I would unironically be okay with all of the main 3 and maybe Hiraki fullclaiming today.
Being all of {Roden, T3, Guillotina} fullciaming.

I realize that having three slots (maybe 4) fullclaim on D1 is unusual but this is a game with unusual circumstances. The multiball nature of the game + the prominence of those three (with the side of Hiraki) + the players who I feel are town no matter what narrows down things significantly enough that I genuinely feel it's worth it.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMM

[T3]

I'm Abilash Tandon/Norm. VT

[T3]

Roden's claim feels believable? But also he's such a minor character, I could see that as one of scum's fakeclaims.

[T3]

I really just want to lim Roden here.

[T3]

Town: ppl
scum: roden

[T3]

He has less posts = less chances to be scummy.

[T3]

I would have day vigged Roden after that self vote because that is a blatant manipulation action but then i remembered ive done it as town too, so i didnt pull the trigger.

is this a claim

What do you think?

why do you think i asked

To rolefish to be honest.

I intent to shoot Roden, i’ll give you time to decide whether i should do it or not.

VOTE: T3

WHAT THE FUCK

[T3]

WHY WOULD YOU FLASHWAGON ME
((((((

[T3]

I would advise to shoot me later in the game. If it doesn't end the day then it may be best to shoot lurking slots like Enchant or Zyla so we don't have to waste lims on people scum won't shoot.

I get full credit if T3 flips scum BTW VOTE: T3

you are scumreading me because 'i have no fire'
what a dumb case

[T3]

At this stage I would unironically be okay with all of the main 3 and maybe Hiraki fullclaiming today.
Being all of {Roden, T3, Guillotina} fullciaming.

I realize that having three slots (maybe 4) fullclaim on D1 is unusual but this is a game with unusual circumstances. The multiball nature of the game + the prominence of those three (with the side of Hiraki) + the players who I feel are town no matter what narrows down things significantly enough that I genuinely feel it's worth it.

HMMMMMMMMMMMMM

I'm Abilash Tandon/Norm. VT

What changed your mind about claiming

nothing

[T3]

I just noticed i am sitting here uselessly again.


In my flavor, SWORD doesh't look like scum, because i collaborating with one of these agents. I even know this name, but i don't want reveal it yet.

town

[T3]

Cheeky could still be town I guess. Guillo 100% TMI'd though and everyone can obviously see it. T3 is playing super scummy, giving zero content, and refusing to use meta even though he always does that as town, also no outrageous gambits either. His partner probably threatened to bus him if he tried to pull any dumb stunts. According to Mastina, there's two scum within me/Guillo/T3, so with my green flip obviously they should go next. If you guys don't elim them next then you're hard throwing.

As for Mega, they're voting me even though they don't believe I'm scum. Their earlier attempt to defend me was likely to get town cred after I flip green. Idk wtf they're doing but if they are town then they're actively deciding to throw. They also took the middle/4th vote on my wagon which scum notoriously love to do. Do with that info as you wish.

literally you are shading everyone for dumb reasons and then walking back on the read with no evidence

[T3]

roden is ateing over a pointless thing

[T3]

and i also meta people as scum
ughhhh

[T3]

roden is ateing over a pointless thing

If you believe that then why would scum do that?

and i also meta people as scum
ughhhh

What does this info change?

i dont see town you selfvoting like that

[T3]

also someone said that town meta usually metas people

[T3]

I would advise to shoot me later in the game. If it doesn't end the day then it may be best to shoot lurking slots like Enchant or Zyla so we don't have to waste lims on people scum won't shoot.

I get full credit if T3 flips scum BTW VOTE: T3

you are scumreading me because 'i have no fire'
what a dumb case

You just hatin' coz you're caught for the wrong reasons bruv. It's OK, I suck at scum too

yeah
no
and guillo acting like an an idiot egotistical 15 year old isn't helping

[T3]

roden is ateing over a pointless thing

If you believe that then why would scum do that?

and i also meta people as scum
ughhhh

What does this info change?

i dont see town you selfvoting like that

???

I literally did that in Yakra.

this is like arguing with a religious conservative

[T3]

yeah
true
also i typod 'me' into 'meta'

[T3]

oh my god

[T3]

so why tf would scum kill guillo

[T3]

VOTE: cyrus
Enchant is town. I will elaborate on this later but we should not lim Enchant.

[T3]

*cries in silence*
cheeky's extreme conviction is towny

[T3]

VOTE: galron

[T3]

Enchant likely town if T3 red imo. Fake associative when T3 feels he's going down.

You do realize it is multiball.

[T3]

I buy this claim tbh

[T3]

T3, can you summarize why guillotina was sure you were scum?

i don't even remember
i was annoyed at him
he voted me

[T3]

@zyla who do you think is scum besides cyrus? so far all youve done is pick on him

Top 3 apart from Cyrus would probably be NM, Enchant, and T3

NM is NM, but he seems quieter than usual
Enchant was mostly null, but that last set of posts is just... weird
T3 just seems off to me, mostly gut, but also he claimed VT and yet 691 implies he has inside info on Enchant

Have you considered the possibility that I'm PR trying not to get nightkilled?

[T3]

@zyla who do you think is scum besides cyrus? so far all youve done is pick on him

Top 3 apart from Cyrus would probably be NM, Enchant, and T3

NM is NM, but he seems quieter than usual
Enchant was mostly null, but that last set of posts is just... weird
T3 just seems off to me, mostly gut, but also he claimed VT and yet 691 implies he has inside info on Enchant

Have you considered the possibility that I'm PR trying not to get nightkilled?

Considering you claimed VT id say its unlikely.

hmmmyessuperinteresting

[T3]

actually wait what am i saying t3 is just lurking out of pressure which is his classic scumtell

VOTE: T3

I'M LITERALLY IN SCHOOL

[T3]

t3 really just gonna act like he didnt say anything about enchant being town and ‘elaborating on it later’ then huh

T3 come on tell us why enchant is town.

ENCHANT TALKED ABOUT HIS ROLE PM UNPROVOKED

[T3]

Not sure why T3 didn't claim at E-2 in an N_M game but maybe that was an oversight on many people.

because i was at school

[T3]

VOTE: T3
i don't even care
just get me out of this game

[T3]

Galron
NM
hiraki

[T3]

t3 really just gonna act like he didnt say anything about enchant being town and ‘elaborating on it later’ then huh

T3 come on tell us why enchant is town.

ENCHANT TALKED ABOUT HIS ROLE PM UNPROVOKED

wait is that all . Omg yes that was a dumb strunt.

yes

[T3]

people we should look at
also you

[T3]

Arc
Release me from my mortal coil

[T3]

gg scum

[T3]

kllhjkhkgiygyghghkk enchant scumclaiming and then me locktowning him for it