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[GuyInFreezer]

FOS: Pine

Wow, looks like i've found the mafia team already.

GIF/Salt/Pine

Pinesalt.gif

[GuyInFreezer]

So I was hoping that I get a serial killer role but MariaR is a fucking meanie face and wouldn't even grant me that one wish.
With that said, will I regret replacing into this game? Only the time will tell.

[GuyInFreezer]

I roll town in all of my games, except for mod error.

MariaR does make a lot of mod errors. So it is only logical to

VOTE: popsofcscum

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm not even Japanese what is all these sake nonsense

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm not even Japanese what is all these sake nonsense

I believe you should take this up with the moderator.

I see.
That makes my #24 true. Good to know!

[GuyInFreezer]

We may or may not be in a neighborhood with Pops and Dunn.

- Volxen (Definitely Town)

This game is either 10:3 or 9:3:1

[GuyInFreezer]

I've been thinking too hard since 2013
You can't stop me

[GuyInFreezer]

Guy in Freezer is lying about whether he is Japanese, has recently started sake sobriety, and whether MariaR makes mod errors.

His #24 is false.

Try arguing a USA beer brand is good or yucky and looking in his face and seeing whether he seems to care.

I've been confirmed Korean for quite a while now actually

[GuyInFreezer]

Naw man he's scum with me and Salt.
Didn't you read trispost

[GuyInFreezer]

Reading is for town players

I'm confirmed town now

[GuyInFreezer]

Pine can we trust trees on this blessed day?

You can always trust trees, warmpuppy

But you're scum with pops and salt. How will I trust you?

[GuyInFreezer]

Always trust trees. It's a guaranteed always-win strategy.

I think I'll be able to open up to you.
But only if you join my pops wagon.
We need to lynch all liars and this wagon is full of justice so far.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh btw PSA
Honeypotting your wagon is the most horrible thing you can do to get reads in this game because "lyncher" exists.

[GuyInFreezer]

Why an unvote there

[GuyInFreezer]

I expect good reads on one another from bit and GIF.

- OS

I won't be mentioning bit read until Day 3 glgl

[GuyInFreezer]

Why an unvote there

She's thinks I'm the scummiest slot in the game, but doesn't want to put me at L-she hasn't counted.
Retaining an RVS vote doesn't reflect that stance.
I think that's a townie position.
See how I told you I can get reads this way
see
I'm not drinking sake btw
but I should look into where I could buy that

Please don't answer for others
I'm only going to warn you once.

[GuyInFreezer]

Congrats, you just lined yourself up as “likely scumbud #1”. The Town way to do that meta dive is to declare it simply non-meta, rather than imply it’s innocent.

The real gem there is metaing with only one game per alignment

[GuyInFreezer]

I think the more important matter is that he defaulted tris' behavior as potential playstyle before defaulting as alignment-tell.

[GuyInFreezer]

Y’all are so bad at reading obvtown people. I expect it from GIF, but Pine.

Clearly you don't know how obvtowning works.
Obvtowning means one is towning up without doing odd shit.
Defending a player you are not familiar with by mentioning a playstyle from half-ass meta attempt with 2 games is hella odd at best.

[GuyInFreezer]

My defense of tris is not a defense.

If it wasn't why did you mention the possibility of the playstyle of the player you are unfamiliar with?
Like, "this behavior is (could be) a playstyle" is literally negating Pine's conclusion of "this behavior is scummy." If this is not a defense, I don't know what is.

[GuyInFreezer]

When I see someone shading a transparent progression with a quasi-rhetorical question I will take no such precautions.

If you correctly guess what I was trying to do with that question, I'll gladly back off (Don't worry, I'm not that cheap to lie what I was thinking or was planning of doing).
Otherwise, please don't assume.

[GuyInFreezer]

Ok... and then I declared it wasn’t a playstyle thing... so did I defend her and then not defend her? Is that really what you’re trying to say?

Key point here is that you declared the possibility of it being playstyle before you fact-check it. It reeks of rushed defense.

It could be not meta and also a playstyle thing. If tris did this as both alignments it would be not meta and a playstyle thing.

And it's hella weird that you assumed that it was a playstyle before anything else.
Town don't assume playstyle before alignment unless they knew the player to some degree.

[GuyInFreezer]

Why did you put parentheses around could be when that’s what I actually said?

Because generalization.
I didn't want to type out "This behavior could be a playstyle" ∈ "This behavior is a playstyle."

[GuyInFreezer]

And I was arguing generally there, not specific.

[GuyInFreezer]

I’m not assuming anything when I’m using conditional language like “might be”, list an action that could verify the conditional la gauge, do the action, and then Co firm it wasn’t the conditional.

Like ???

All your sematics gets redirected to:

Key point here is that you declared the possibility of it being playstyle before you fact-check it.

[GuyInFreezer]

If I had just left it hanging sure, that could be me trying to change the narrative. But I immediately followed up on it.

It reeks of rushed defense.

[GuyInFreezer]

You adding parentheses actually changes the entire meaning of the sentence. It changes an outright statement, which is what I made, to an implied statement. You are trying to paint it into a worse light than it actually is.

Not really? It should be clear about what I was implying there given my context.

[GuyInFreezer]

Since you used the "there exists" symbol in a recent post, I'll point out that just like existence proofs, I don't have to know exactly what it is you're doing to think it's unproductive and inductive.

I'm simply asking you (nicely) to not interrupt me because I do things way differently from average players and interrupting in general is fucking hell for people who read base off of interactions in general.

[GuyInFreezer]

You cannot have it both ways dude, but kept chugging along with that tunnel.

Ah yes, there we go. The word "tunnel" by only the 5th page into the game. But since "both ways" was mentioned and I only argued one way the entire time, I went through my post to see if anything would give off wrong idea. Therefore, let me fix one of my post.

Y’all are so bad at reading obvtown people. I expect it from GIF, but Pine.

Clearly you don't know how obvtowning works.
Obvtowning means one is towning up without doing odd shit.

Defending a player you are not familiar with by mentioning a playstyle from half-ass meta attempt with 2 games is hella odd at best.

Sorry about that, it should be "by mentioning a playstyle

and then

use half-ass meta attempt with 2 games" instead.

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm only going to warn you once.

I'm simply asking you (nicely)

Oh I'll tell you the consequence then to clear that off.
Each violation will cause me to treat you 1% less favorable.

[GuyInFreezer]

GIF: You've shown the inability to read me, so I only ask that you defer to people who actually know how to read me like Firebringer, Pops, Dunnstral, potentially Shadoweh.

Oh I wonder since when I wasn't allowed to make a read on someone that I'm not familiar with.
I guess newbie queue should shut down since it's illegal.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also I'm not familiar with any of them in your list in terms of gameplay.
In fact, I'm not familiar with anyone in this game in terms of gameplay.

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm not going to pay much attention to this game until like a week from now because I'm busy EiMMing
I saw "48 hour days" and freaked out for a second wondering what fresh hell Maria had recruited me for

Spoiler:

I'm rating this 4/10.
Stock watermark hurt the score more than you'd think.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh btw I'm approaching this game with 0 meta whatsoever (cos I don't really have any on all of y'all) so any meta argument I won't even bother.

[GuyInFreezer]

Like the only game I barely remember is that one scumgame of mine where Oversoul replaced in as my scumbuddy in that one mara hydra large theme and lurked the f out (as he should've done for our scumteam was basicaly destroying the game by flooding the game with pointless sematics SvS).

[GuyInFreezer]

Who is worse here in your eyes: Pops or DNS

You've interacted w/ both

So far? Pops. She has commited a grave sin of voting me.

[GuyInFreezer]

Is that supposed to be a jab or

[GuyInFreezer]

Uh I guess you can call it more of an observation, but maybe it will turn into a read? You have moments of feigned interest littered throughout the thread, so I dunno if that's intentional or not

I'm going to say that I never feigned any interest in this game so far.

[GuyInFreezer]

Very on the offensive.

When a man draws his sword he gotta use it, they say.

[GuyInFreezer]

Anyway

#buzzwordpingingme

The word you're looking for here is "different."

[GuyInFreezer]

I leave it up to people to figure out context on whether a townread is "I don't want to lynch this person right this second" or "I would target this person as a Weak Visitor without crumbing first for shiggles because they are so town".

Communication 101
Never assume that your words will be conveyed without error.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also, read strength does matter and can be a sometimes alignment-indicative tell. Knowingly hiding that is a red flag for me.

[GuyInFreezer]

180 was actually a joke related to my 179.
I just wanted to see you react for lulz.

[GuyInFreezer]

But yeah

My read on tris was a strong 4 post townread and I represented as strong as a 4 post townread can be

This will never be implied in mafiascum ever.
I know so many people, including me, who can get a near locktown read in less than 3 posts. (Sometimes even 1)

[GuyInFreezer]

Wow I have more posts than 9 people's posts combined as of this post.
Anyway fun fact. I have one townread.

[GuyInFreezer]

Someone's behavior in RVS is an easy thing to go check to see if it's playstyle. I don't see what's wrong with that.

It's easy to check, sure. But would people actually think to check the playstyle before thinking about alignment? I have never seen town do that in 6 years.

I don't locktown people for single posts, except in the case of newbies I don't think can have the scumrange for a particular post.

I will lockscum people for single posts sometimes though.

But I don't know this! And you could be lying! Nor I'd bother to fact-check because I'm lazy! No-meta play best play!

[GuyInFreezer]

Vote: Definitely Not Scum

The name compels me.

I haven't seen anything particularly scummy these few pages in but post #53 bothers me a little.

Vote: Definitely Not Scum

The name compels me.

I haven't seen anything particularly scummy these few pages in but post #53 bothers me a little.

RVS ends when you have a read that feels real

kind of like
my rights end
where your rights begin
i'm not touching you
i'm not touching you
you know

you should vote me

That's the thing, though. 53 and this makes me feel like you want to be voted, which naturally makes me a little worried about actually voting you because due to the amount of wine involved in something like this, so I'd rather hold off until things develop a bit more.

That being said, UNVOTE:

Hmm I detect cowardice.

[GuyInFreezer]

You seem quite hung up on my unvoting what was very obviously a joke vote...

It had nothing to do with your joke vote nor the unvote actually. It had to do with literally everything except them, in fact.

The post I was talking about in that post reeked of wine, which is generally going to be enough to get me to look at you, but probably not vote until we can sort out the wine first.

aka the cowerdice. Why not vote her to sort that wine out yourself?

[GuyInFreezer]

Most of DNS's defence has felt genuinely awful, being mostly OMGUS and wine without any real substance beyond "You guys are wrong because I'm town and I can prove it during the day even with only two votes on me". It's been really bad and seems like an extreme overreaction to just putting two votes down, so back on I go.

It's awful sure
But is it scummy?

[GuyInFreezer]

Ok so tris is good enough for me to townread atm.

[GuyInFreezer]

Anyway salty talk to me about DNS.

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm just hogging most of the presence atm

[GuyInFreezer]

Anyway #188 is a terrible (in a scummy way) post and I'd vote her now but she says her Monday is busy so I'm gonna wait for her activity and response before I vote.

[GuyInFreezer]

I'll let tris answer that before my fun post.

P-Edit oh good she answered.

[GuyInFreezer]

Here is my fun post.

I retract all the points I've made against DNS today.

Although I kinda feel iffy on that slot due to their multiple amount of calling self obvtown when they didn't do jack but going sematics with me.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also, I just noticed this now, but they're in a neighbourhood? And confirmed town?

I don't think neighborhood claim was real. Also never trust "I can confirm myself as town" until they actually do so. Saying that and coast is what I've done as scum before.

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm not entirely sure if them/Pine is TvT or TvS, but it doesn't feel like SvS to me

Yeah I don't think it's SvS either.

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: Lady Angel

[GuyInFreezer]

Btw I'm ignoring the assassin mech.
I think it's an antitown mechanic.

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: Lady Angel

She has a tendency to look scummy as town, from my experience

But why would town fear the reaction test

[GuyInFreezer]

Anyway, I have 3 townreads in a 13P game. Looking good so far.

[GuyInFreezer]

pops town.

GIF town.

-bit

But are you

[GuyInFreezer]

I see. It'll be sad to see you go when I inevitably lynch you Day 2.
Can't leave scum alive after all. Win condition and all that.

[GuyInFreezer]

Where are people?

[GuyInFreezer]

I told you I was busy <.<

I don't remember how to post without making up bullshit reads anymore tbh, my last town game was over a year ago. Normally I'd be pretending to be suspicious of pops and sucking up to tris for being obvtown by now.

And if you do which part of pops' posts would you go after?

[GuyInFreezer]

From memory, nothing that stood out to be scummy but also not towny, but inoffensive in a way that I didn't think further about her posts.

And this is after my post being considered?

[GuyInFreezer]

I should be able to come and post some thoughts later tonight.

And I'll be waiting

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: Lady Angel

She has a tendency to look scummy as town, from my experience

But why would town fear the reaction test

This is important

[GuyInFreezer]

Particularly when LA is way more townie so far

What the fuck

[GuyInFreezer]

LA is obvtown

Nope.
Town don't act all cautious and stuff in front of potential reaction test because town shouldn't be afraid of "failing it" since, well, they're town.

[GuyInFreezer]

I don't know how common it is in general, but I tend to try and put my scum partners as weak townreads or high null reads if I think I can get away with it.

Is your join date when you started playing forum mafia? Because this sounds sophomoric.
Is this why you're voting LA instead of unwnd when all the reasoning in your recent post would point to "unwnd, and maybe LA as a partner"?
Particularly when LA is way more townie so far
VOTE: nacl

Also this whole post is garbage (not scummy, just bad).

[GuyInFreezer]

And it's not because of the "LA is way more townie" part.

[GuyInFreezer]

Also the scumreads on LA are some mix of mafia/assassin on her/"garbage"

Mine is pretty simply laid out: Town wouldn't be afraid of being reaction tested.
No assassin motive. No "being garbage."

I don't know how to simplify this even more.

[GuyInFreezer]

Well then.
Looks like she's gonna be replaced at this rate anyway.

[GuyInFreezer]

Would it look worse to fail a reaction test or disengage with one altogether?

It's easy to tell when town "fails" the reaction test.
Justifying self-cautiousness was what I expected scum to answer my post so this is good.

[GuyInFreezer]

Meanwhile, I forgot to state my V/LA due to moving.

@Mod: V/LA until Monday

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm just gonna vote Pine for obvious reasons.... Wait how do you guys vote on this site again?

Do state that "obvious reasons" for me.
Also check the rules page on page 1.

[GuyInFreezer]

Why?

Why on which part?

[GuyInFreezer]

I noticed that you have been white knighting Pine quite a bit, so why is that?

Oh this is such a treat.
Quote where I have WK'd Pine.

[GuyInFreezer]

That's why you be like me and go after people who jumps opportunistically.

[GuyInFreezer]

Although this game is slow af.

[GuyInFreezer]

Prod dodge.
I'll be slightly busy until tomorrow evening.

[GuyInFreezer]

Aight I'll be catching up.

[GuyInFreezer]

I have some bad news, my favorite character is Nagito

And he's the worst in DR2 so it's kinda telling tbh

I would guess that there's at least one scum in Bitbringer/Tris/Shadoweh, with tris being the least likely, but I'm not exactly sure how to go about telling it yet.

Ah yes grab all the names that was being talked in topic and slap the "there is a scum in it" on it.
Fensesit at the end is just a bonus.

I have a scumread bois. This game just got fun.

DUNN LETS MEET ON THE BATTLEFIELD

Bad you

Page 19. Dunn -> Bit looked like it could go somewhere earlier. By this point it just became nothing.

== Ok I got lazy.

I don't get the vote on tris.

[GuyInFreezer]

4. GuyInFreezer
6. NaCl
1. Dunnstral
8. Definitely Not Scum (Oversoul and Volxen)
9. tris
2. sheepsaysmeep
12. popsofctown
13. unwnd

3. Shadoweh
7. Sujimichi
10. bitbringer (Bitmap and Firebringer)
11. AbuHumaid

5. Lady Angel

Order of the name doesn't matter; only the gap does.

[GuyInFreezer]

Y'all should stop that pointless bickering and put yer vote where it matters, i.e. to LA.

[GuyInFreezer]

I don't agree with my other head in voting DNS, I think dns is townie.

-fire

Ah yes welcome to what I went through playing with bit for 2 games.

[GuyInFreezer]

I'd also lynch Abu for daring to throw some buzzword at me and hoping that it sticks.
But that is like almost no alignment thing.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh by the way I'm going to call bitmap town.
People need to vote LA.

[GuyInFreezer]

4. GuyInFreezer
6. NaCl
1. Dunnstral
8. Definitely Not Scum (Oversoul and Volxen)
9. tris
2. sheepsaysmeep
12. popsofctown
13. unwnd
10. bitbringer (Bitmap and Firebringer)

3. Shadoweh
7. Sujimichi
11. AbuHumaid

5. Lady Angel

I'm almost there folks

[GuyInFreezer]

ISO her and see for yourself.
She only has 6 posts so it should be easy.

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh by the way bitbringer wagon is 90% from assassination.

[GuyInFreezer]

That seems like a lot of commitment

I'm giving you an easy job. I could've told you to ISO me instead.

[GuyInFreezer]

Trust in GIF

[GuyInFreezer]

Y'all should vote LA with me. It's going to be fun.

P-Edit: Ah yes tyty

[GuyInFreezer]

Also shadoweh if you're gonna be lazy vote LA with me

[GuyInFreezer]

Y'all should vote LA with me. It's going to be fun.

P-Edit: Ah yes tyty

Why should we be voting LA, exactly?

1. Scummy reaction towards what she thought as a reaction test
2. Takes like 4 days to post something about

• containing at least one scum. First of all, it's a lazy read in a scummy way. Second of all, she didn't even vote on in the list and just fense-sat in that post. And lastly, being able to list the names of importance suggests that she read enough of the thread. And yet the content was so lacking.

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm alive.

If the argument for the bikes not being public transportation is that you have to pay for them, what would that make buses?

I would guess that there's at least one scum in Bitbringer/Tris/Shadoweh, with tris being the least likely, but I'm not exactly sure how to go about telling it yet.

Why do I need to fetch things when she only has 6 posts

[GuyInFreezer]

She actually has 5.

Lady Angel | Oct 21, 12:06am | Oct 29, 04:59pm | 2 days 3 hours |

6

[GuyInFreezer]

GIF i'm kind of trying to die why u do this to me

-bit

You're going to LyLo that's why

[GuyInFreezer]

That wagon is terrible.

Your visage.

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm gonna count this stupid suji wagon as the counterwagon for my glorious wagon and call Suji town just from that.

[GuyInFreezer]

I'm gonna count this stupid suji wagon as the counterwagon for my glorious wagon and call Suji town just from that.

Are you actually town? Cause like. The SR on LA is one thing. This confidence level is a bit absurd for a lurky slot. Salt has a much saner characterization of the lynch. Not only does she have only a few posts, they're kind of all the same in certain ways so we are really just differing on one interpretation.

Lynching a lurky slot that has only been scummy when they show is good, lynching a lurky slot that is only townie when they show is bad.

I meta'd sujimichi like a week ago, I remember he contributed more in another game. Not to a level that made me want to push his slot right away, but to a level where he seems like a good compromise deadline lynch to me.

So I don't know why sheep is saying he's always like this, I don't know if he read a different game or what.

Post count literally doesn't matter.
It's the content that matters.

[GuyInFreezer]

Wait neighborhood is not a meme?
Am I the only one who thought this was a vanilla only game?

[GuyInFreezer]

I just streamed overcooked for 7 hours straight and I need a break so I'll be back tomorrow.

[GuyInFreezer]

Is it just me or GIF's excessive spamming in page 8 is scum indicative?

It's actually quite opposite.

[GuyInFreezer]

I fail to see how assasination target cop is a town role.

[GuyInFreezer]

With that said, my free time allocation for this game is dwindling. I'll try to make it work.
Still don't see the NaCl suspicion btw.

[GuyInFreezer]

UNVOTE:

[GuyInFreezer]

All targets were randomized unless stated otherwise.

[GuyInFreezer]

VOTE: Bitbringer

[GuyInFreezer]

GIF had a town-read on us then suddenly swapped when we gained momentum so lynch him tomorrow.
Vig NaCl and Abu pls.

k those are my reads.

-bit

Oh I still do.

[GuyInFreezer]

I've been swamped by rl so I kinda decided to start playing at Day 2.
And when I voted you it looked like you were gonna be a good info lynch for people even though I think you're town.

P-Edit: I'm too lazy to look for another one this early

[GuyInFreezer]

Oh also I still stand by my theory that your wagon is 90% from assassination attempt.

[GuyInFreezer]

I'll be back in Day 2.
I'll drink for you when you flip bitfire

[GuyInFreezer]

- voting without much reasoning, you did this

Oh no I just did this.

voting things that don’t align with their reads

Oh no I also just did this.

ignoring those who scum read you

I don't know if anyone scumread me to being with but if they are, then I didn't know because I haven't been really reading this game, so.
Oh no I also just did this too.

AM I DEEPWOLF

[GuyInFreezer]

No one expressed a scumread on me as far as I can tell.

Although, "I'm lynching my townread" is a signature town-GIF move.

[GuyInFreezer]

Yeah but "not a townread" and "scumread" are two different thing.
tbh if you actually scumread me I wouldn't even bat an eye because it would pose 0 threat to me.

[GuyInFreezer]

Because that's how much of a threat I felt last game as well.

[GuyInFreezer]

But for real now, I'll see you in Day 2.
I have this project to chug.

[GuyInFreezer]

I feel kinda miffed about this game tbh
I joined this game planning to 100% tryhard
But rl fucked me over and now I'm just sitting here going "bleh".

[GuyInFreezer]

You silly man you should've let Abu hammer if you wanted him lynched