Mini 573 - Darkstalkers Mafia - Game over!

[Flameaxe]

I smell good times in the air. Doing a brief skim later, and then doing a better reread while I'm on vacation.

[Flameaxe]

Now seems like a good time to post. I'm back in town now, will be catching up tonight most likely.

[Flameaxe]

You know it.

[Flameaxe]

Did a quick read-up. Not a whole lot stuck out to me.

• I do not hold the same stance as RotN. I do however agree with Armlx. I cannot explain RotN's comment, and I have no clue what reason he would have to rant.
  
• AJ's 36 bothers me quite a bit. It's not the town's duty to evade suspicion and not get lynched, but that sure does sound like the scum's duty, doesn't it?
  
• Gorckat's 30 seems odd. Like a vote trying to seem random, when it isn't...bleh.
  
• Ross is more on the useless side contribution-wise. Bet you never expected to hear that from me of all people.
  
• AJ's 76 seems to be letting RotC (me) off the hook for not posting too easily.
  
• AJ's 101: I think I'm missing something...Very sporadic...
  
• Ross only FoSes AJ in 108, and then makes it a point to point out that he FoS'd in 114. Odd.
  
• Disagree with Ben's analysis of Ross in 122, unless Ben likes uselessness, in which case it all makes sense.
  
• No me gusta 126 (AJ)
  
• AJ's 184 is probably the most influential post for me so far. It further solidifies my feelings of AJ being eager of pushing another wagon to save his own skin. With Claus posting just before that expressing his suspicion of GW, and AJ replying with "Oh, GW slipped under my radar...oh, you are right /vote." stuck out to me big time. I would like more information regarding your proposed connection between GW and me, by the way.
  
• 215 Ross coming to AJ's defense.

Vote: Alabama J

Fos: Ross.
For those who lack counting ability: That is L-2.

[Flameaxe]

Flameaxe is on limited access now, but he said he would start posting by the weekend.

Yeah, me too. Got some friends visiting my place I hope I'll be able to make another megapost before the weekend.

Yeah, so just change the name. I'm back and all...

[Flameaxe]

AJ: Call it tunnel-vision all you want. Out of all of the posts in this game, nearly every one of yours gave me the willies (always wanted to say that). I fail to see how my post is opportunistic "to the max". I found you, out of everyone in the game, the scummiest in my re-read. Would you rather me vote who I found the least suspicious instead?

unvote, vote: flameaxe

. Wow, I see how much better this is! Why didn't I think of this before?!

But in all seriousness:

unvote, vote AJ

. Regardless, you are Alabama from this point on.

I don't believe in big analysis posts, sorry if that bothers you. I feel the need to get straight to the point and point out who I think is scum, Which is conveniently what I did. If you would like a player by player analysis, please ask, so I can tell you no.

Maybe my discussion on RotN was WIFOM, but sometimes that thinking is needed. Would you rather me completely ignore what I thought of his actions and not comment on them at all? When commenting on something like that, you dive into some WIFOM regardless.

Re: Claim - A rolecop...that finds SK...It's like one role, with the title of a completely different role! Aweshome! And I agree, full claims moar.

[Flameaxe]

Flavor more.

[Flameaxe]

Ok, so he drops.

Name A of probably town person.

Has to "ask the mod" if he can claim the other name.

Drops name be of probably scum person.

Anyone feel like he's using a safe claim here?

Nice, I'm not the only one.

[Flameaxe]

@ooba: You've got it.

@armlx and Flameaxe: He's not scum. He's sk.

I usually put all anti-town roles together as scum, personally. And could you answer/respond to 257, please?

[Flameaxe]

Flavor more.

I'm not sure I understand…I can't copy-paste the pm if that's what you want

Yes, but you can paraphrase. Mod already told us this. You must have some flavor behind the role.

[Flameaxe]

Plenty. I'm keeping my vote.

[Flameaxe]

Unless someone with game knowledge tells me that is all flavorful with the game, my instincts say lies. Especially the succubi talking to dead people thing seems awk from what I know.

What about the "I have a hunch" part!? Or the "he seems like a bad person!" part!

[Flameaxe]

And the part where he isn't assured results....

And the asking corpses for hints part...

[Flameaxe]

Third.

[Flameaxe]

Sorry! been super busy. Will catch up and post thoughts by sunday

Still waiting on this. Would like more content from you, as you have been lacking overall this game.

[Flameaxe]

Well...it says "Only Darkstalkers have ranks"...and there is no proof that all roles are darkstalkers.

[Flameaxe]

I find it really sad we are resorting to a default lynch.

Well said.

[Flameaxe]

Jack of all trades

[Flameaxe]

JoaTs aren't scum roles, unless this is a really fucked up setup.

[Flameaxe]

Xtoxm is right by saying I made a sarcastic comment and answered other people's questions about the JoaT? I don't get it...

[Flameaxe]

Alright...

[Flameaxe]

Responses are holding the course with my expectations.

Vote Flameaxe

I love it when people are wrong. Especially with reasons like "This is not how he usually plays, but I won't give you examples."

Great, really.

[Flameaxe]

My examples are pretty much ongoing, so citing is mildly awkward.

How convenient.

[Flameaxe]

Forgot about AITP2. Thats a good example of town you, which is distinctly different from this game.

AITP2 is hardly a good example of someone's town play. Town in AITP compared to "standard" mafia is completely different, try again.

[Flameaxe]

Ok, I'm giving up trying to get you to actually post a case. You clearly aren't capable of that.

[Flameaxe]

vote Flameaxe

. Didn't add a vote to my uber post. Guess a post can only have so much...

I'm also not liking the way he's defending himself here. Stuff like this:

AITP2 is hardly a good example of someone's town play. Town in AITP compared to "standard" mafia is completely different, try again.

THERES. NOTHING. TO. DEFEND. AGAINST. YOU. FUCKING. RETARD.

[Flameaxe]

He's using a town-meta of me in a game where the town does not act in a conventional way, exactly how do you expect me to "defend myself" against that?

Jesus, after WEM, I thought you might actually have a brain. Now, I'm reconsidering that assumption.

[Flameaxe]

Ha, solved the puzzle.

As town, your posts are either A) jovial or B) straight talk. Not C) sarcastic and snide.

\

Ok. Prove it.

[Flameaxe]

vote Flameaxe

. Didn't add a vote to my uber post. Guess a post can only have so much...

I'm also not liking the way he's defending himself here. Stuff like this:

AITP2 is hardly a good example of someone's town play. Town in AITP compared to "standard" mafia is completely different, try again.

THERES. NOTHING. TO. DEFEND. AGAINST. YOU. FUCKING. RETARD.

Scum annoyed at the reasons he's being voted?

Insulting me isn't likely to make me change my mind.

THERE ARE NO FUCKING REASONS TO FUCKING DEFEND AGAINST, YOU FUCKING RETARD.

[Flameaxe]

He's using a town-meta of me in a game where the town does not act in a conventional way, exactly how do you expect me to "defend myself" against that?

Jesus, after WEM, I thought you might actually have a brain. Now, I'm reconsidering that assumption.

Go fuck yourself.

~ Ignoring him from here in.

That is not town behavior. Actually posting a case beyond "he said something sarcastic! Guys look!"

[Flameaxe]

is*

[Flameaxe]

Xtom's rapid fire responses look like a guilty conscience trying to explain himself.

@Flame: Do you think either armlx or Xtomx are coming at you from a scum position?

Armlx more than Xtoxm. But both attacks seem off to me.

[Flameaxe]

Alabama: 1) How am I going overboard?
2) How does that make me scum?

Two simple questions is all I ask of you for now.

[Flameaxe]

Piper: I see him as close to confirmed town.

[Flameaxe]

Still happy with calling armlx a complete retard.

[Flameaxe]

Still waiting for an acceptable example too.

[Flameaxe]

Again, how convenient.

AITP is not a good example of a meta. I don't have to keep information from scum here. This (for the most part) is a standard mafia game. They don't mingle well together.

Also, have I even played with you in scumchat? I rarely go there anymore, and haven't played a game there in months...So I highly doubt that meta.

[Flameaxe]

I have never been a scum role cop. Sorry, but unless you can prove it, I guess you get a...

Vote armlx

. Try pursuing an actual meta this time? It might get you far.

[Flameaxe]

That's nice. But you're wrong. And you still have no proof, and no case. Not to mention a faulty meta example.

[Flameaxe]

I think it is just as convenient for you that these metas can't be proved, because if armlx is right we have no way to confirm. Of course you are going to deny it either way. This is WIFOM. I suggest we move on to something more productive, like finding scummy things Flameaxe and/or armlx have done in this game outside of the recent conversation, which, again, I consider WIFOM. I propose that both of you show evidence in game of the other's scumminess to resolve this. Fair?

But he is pushing my lynch with those metas that can't be proved. Better yet, he's pushing my lynch with ONE SINGLE GAME that wasn't even a conventional game...

I agree, lets get on to something productive. Something like armlx actually backing up his vote with something substantial.

Stop ignoring my questions also.

[Flameaxe]

Quite frankly, I have nothing but my meta-read on him, but I am very sure it is correct.

Again, using one game (not even regarding the types of game) is not a reliable meta. How you are "very sure it is correct" based on one game? I am still expecting better, will/can you provide better?

[Flameaxe]

That has to be the shittiest reason I have ever heard.

"Oh, I have a meta, and it says he's scum here! I haven't seen anything really scummy from him, but my (one game) meta says so!"

Total. Bullshit. Die. Scum. Die.

[Flameaxe]

People don't have to choose to believe me now, but I know I am right and at the least it can/will be relevant later.

*giggles* It will be relevant when everyone is calling you retarded at the end of the game. An no other time.

(Still no decent reasons)

[Flameaxe]

You don't post for 9 days, just to say:

Mod, is opposed force still around?

Really?

[Flameaxe]

Thanks for being so helpful.

We appreciate it.

[Flameaxe]

This town is utterly fucked.

[Flameaxe]

And you won't get one until you get an actual case.

Deal with it.

[Flameaxe]

Unvote. Vote Flameaxe

- I find the AITP meta to be utterly bullshit. Boo to metas. That said, I think Armlx is town voting on the right person for the wrong reasons.

Wrong person, wrong reasons. You all just have equal IQs to Xtoxm. Speaking of Xtoxm, he needs to post. His bullshit case just doesn't hold up.

I don't like Flameaxe's behavior during the 3 and 4 way duels D1. He basically stuck his vote on Alabaska, made some comments that did not influence the town in any way, and just sat back and relaxed waiting for the deadline*. Comes day 2, and all Flameaxe has to show us is a OMGUS vote on armlx.

I'm sorry for finding everything about Alabaska scummy, but I outlined it fairly well, and showed I thought he was scummy. Every post influences the town. It isn't OMGUS. I have a valid reason, while he does not. I've been busy defending myself against empty cases all day (see Xtoxm's).

Yeah, good lynch candidate. Also, upon re-read, I think that if Flameaxe do come up scum, there are some very interesting pairings to be made.

IF I come up scum. You don't seem as convinced as you are trying to seem.

*Mind you, Flameaxe is not the only one that falls in this category.

Alabaska: Stop being so fucking scummy while you are nearly confirmed.

I re-read a tad, and armlx has dropped for me. Your scumpair is...

-Xtoxm
-Spring
-Armlx

In order, followed by a tie between Piper and Claus.

[Flameaxe]

My bolds got fucked up. Oh well. Too bad I don't care.

[Flameaxe]

418 reassures me of Xtoxm and SL pairings. It's rather silly too.

[Flameaxe]

Please don't. We lynch Flameaxe today and the game returns to normalhood (with one less scum, that is).

This is not effective scumhunting.

[Flameaxe]

Just because I suspect you of being scummy does not make me inherently scummy. I've been consistent in my opinions and even tried to mediate between you and armlx. What more do you want, other than me unvoting you and jumping around yelling "FLAMEAXE IS TEH TOWN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!"?

Who said that was why I thought you were scummy? I sure didn't.

Assumptions = Bad.

[Flameaxe]

My vote was on before the claim...

yeah.

[Flameaxe]

Hi, sorry, been busy.

I haven't reread yet, but here is what I had up my sleeve.

I have the following informations to disclose:
1) There is cult in this game.
2) There is also a mafia.

That's all for now

I don't see why you're smiling. That isn't all for now. Get on it.

[Flameaxe]

From what I glanced at, tbh, I think OF is scum. Who has need to target a cleared SK cop other than a doc protetion...?

Yeah, thats pretty much where everyone is at. Just waiting to see if something interesting happens when OF shows up.

If OF shows up.

[Flameaxe]

Unvote, Vote DP

Don't really see another option on this one.

[Flameaxe]

Yeah. There are two different people named Claus.

MOD EDIT: Fixed!

[Flameaxe]

Hmm, DP may have inadvertently revealed something about one of the jail keeps by saying the mafia had a jailkeep safe claim. Not worth worrying about it now though, something to consider later.

This gets BBM's stamp of "HMMMMMM".

[Flameaxe]

"Bah."

[Flameaxe]

GG.

[Flameaxe]

I promise I wont play as DP...

I actually enjoyed the DP play ..

Second.