Truely random voting does nothing to help the town at all.
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Neither does truely randomized voting. Random voting based on completely irrelevant things means its actually based on something and can be a sign of something. Choosing random numbers means no info is gained from the vote.Ration wrote:Vote: armlx
Voting someone for random voting does nothing to help the town at all.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Those early "fireworks" and "semantics" are actually really good for producing relevant discussion, hence the purpose of the random voting stage. From them information is gleaned and logic begins to take hold (except when people who refuse to use logic in the first place are involved).
Also, that analogy is wrong. It implies true randomization of the votes is the right thing to do.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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A common misconception. The town's job is first and foremost to catch scum, and secondarily to not get lynched/die as it increases the odds of this.Alabaska J wrote:And yet the town's job first and foremost is to evade suspicion and survive to see another day. I'd much rather play it safe and not even be suspected.
I'm actually kind of wary of gorckat for following my vote, but only mildly so.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Notice my vote is still on Alabaska.gorckat wrote:I'm curious why armlx didn't find Al mildly suspicious for saying he believes townies should first and foremost not be suspect (something armlx disagrees with) but finds me mildly suspect for agreeing with his stance against random voting.
The part I was kinda suspect on was the fact you post looked a lot like "I agree with a logical pg 1 post, wagon X". However, given more background, it turns out I am wrong and you legitimately agree.
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Sorry for not posting. This just sorta drifted down my watched topics list until I didn't check it.
I agree. Strike my last vote, reverse it.gorckat wrote:@Al: Wishy-washy. much?
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This comment wasn't phrased the best. What I meant was if Ranger showed back up and kept with the "Screw this, hate day starts, not posting" he should be considered for a lynch. Not if he just doesn't post and legitimately needs replacement.Rogueben wrote:armix
Hmm. I don't like this. Better off asking for him to be replaced, lynching someone with no posts is not very beneficial for the future.armix wrote:RotN is only worth lynching if he decides not to post (at least based on the current wagon).Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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To put it quite frankly, I don't right now. Once one of them dies it could be useful, but for now drawing any conclusions from it seems iffy at best, except maybe to see who falls on whose side of the argument.Claus wrote: Gorkcat, Armix, Alabaska: What do you think of the headbutting between Spring and DP?
I agree with the attacks on Ghostwriter though. I'll give him a post to respond to them before making any further decisions.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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I don't like the first half of GW's responses, but the second half seems good. Still moderately scummy, but there's bigger fish to fry.
The contradiction Ooba brought up makes me more happy with my vote on Al.
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The difference between Sir T / Dean and RotN was that RotN's first post was him explicitly stating he didn't want to post. The other two simply weren't in the game at that point. This may have been more evident to me as I am modding a game Sir T was in and wasn't posting in and am in another game where Dean is doing the same thing.
In addition, after the deal with RotN, some mafia discussion threads and a couple games I am in now (including this one) caused me to reevaluate my stance on attacking lurkers.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Can you elaborate? I'm fairly sure my answer is "Anyone who sides in that argument in a relevant manner is scummy for pushing a dumb issue beyond 2 tunnel visioned players" if I understand it right.Claus wrote: - Armix: "who falls on whose side of the argument" - that's kind of what I was aiming for.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Thank you for this comment. If Al ends up being revealed as scum at some later point (possibly today), you are extremely suspect.RossWilliam wrote:Even though he seems to contradict it once in a while, i get the sense that alabaska is just clumsy, possibly newb, town.
L-2. Standard warning that anyone who votes Al from here until after he defends himself further is very suspect, and that anyone who ends up lhammering him between him making a full defense and claiming is even more suspect.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Gorckat:
On Ross: The slip has been made. He can't retract it. Pointing it out merely puts him on the radar of everyone.
The heads up is because I would rather have a legitimate discussion about the lynch of a player than a quick lynch most likely resulting in another quick lynch of someone who was possibly just being dumb. Quick lynches typically just cause things to spiral out of control for no reason.
Your stance on claims is very interesting. Confirmable roles do exist you know, and while I wouldn't immediately back off a non-confirmable power claim, its a legitimate thing to consider in a lynch.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Claus: The warning post was simply to prevent people from being dumb and quick lynching. Tomorrow I won't care where people fell on the wagon when looking back, but by saying that I deter idiots from causing confusion, as I've found quick lynchers are more often just dumb people than scum.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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DP: The reasoning is there are many reasons he could know there is an SK (being one), much more room to assume there is one, and there is no way to prove his role (well no realistic way. I guess if he's telling the truth and gets a guilty tomorrow, and the lynch turns up SK, but thats what, 1/11?)Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Alabaska: Inserting jokes into role claims is not a good way to make people confident you are telling the truth.
However, with that the flavor makes sense, leaving me with only my suspicion that you are lying.
Wait.
What rank are you. I knew something was missing in your claim.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Rather ask and force the slip up rather than let him later say "You never asked me it, didn't think it was relevant" when it is argued against him later.springlullaby wrote: If you find the omission in itself to be suspicious, surely there was no reason to ask his rank at all since the omission was already there?
Also, I think your argument about the information being used to inform decisions against him is pretty bad. That is, unless you have information about those actions that would say otherwise...Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Claus: I think he was insinuating my asking for his rank was me fishing to see if I could use a hypothetical power on him.
I also agree freely talking about ranks is bad, but this scenario was hardly talking freely. In retrospect if I had not specifically asked about the thing his claim was missing (rank) he would have been more likely to slip up, but at the time I was much more worried about him trying to slip back out of a slip up by claiming he had never been asked about it.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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You were implying something: that I had a negative action that depended on his rank. I never disagreed that actions could depend on his rank, just said that there was no evidence to support that negative actions were affected this way more than potential beneficial actions or at all (note: I define beneficial as any pro-town action on him, including vig/rb's).springlullaby wrote:
armlx, I wasn't implying anything, I stated it quite clearly.armlx wrote: Claus: I think he was insinuating my asking for his rank was me fishing to see if I could use a hypothetical power on him.
I also agree freely talking about ranks is bad, but this scenario was hardly talking freely. In retrospect if I had not specifically asked about the thing his claim was missing (rank) he would have been more likely to slip up, but at the time I was much more worried about him trying to slip back out of a slip up by claiming he had never been asked about it.
Also, is there any reason you care to dig for role information here?Tell me, what other informations need I know 'about those actions'?Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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Spring, clearly you are interpreting my posts in a tunnel visioned fashion. The only reason I had to ask for the rank claim is a slip up, and all my discussion on it was to refute your idea that revealing rank in that scenario would just give the scum information.
Frankly, I don't trust AJ's claim at all and believe he is the SK using a safe claim. Thats why I'm voting him.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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I'm actually 100% sure this is the first time I've actually seen this happen. Every other time I have lynched BabyJ/Rosso/other default lynch it's because they did other scummy stuff beyond the norm.Flameaxe wrote:
Well said.armlx wrote:I find it really sad we are resorting to a default lynch.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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This is a forewarning post. I put the estimated value of a RB lynch at slightly higher then a random choice between the 4 currently tied. I value a RB lynch less than a random between xtoxm, him, and AJ. I also have to leave soon. If no one has done something to change the estimated value of the tie in my eyes (ie remove DP from the tie, replace anyone but Alabaska with RossWilliam) in the next 15 minutes, I will vote RB.Away Wednesday the 24th through the 31st-
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