Open 56 - Masons and Monks (GAME OVER) before 542

[JDodge]

Vote: Oman

[JDodge]

Game is on, hooray for this game.

Vote thinktank

Its a little meta, but its more because he pretends its a random number, when its not.

Ow, my aching logic

[JDodge]

Vote: Flameaxe

Did someone say... Bandwagon?

Not before you said this; can't you read?

[JDodge]

How bout we call dem 2 votes a bandwagon, and say that only scum would bandwagon during the random vote stage, rmmmhrmmm.

Alternately we could use our brains

[JDodge]

Or our gut.

or we could compromise and use our esophagus

[JDodge]

But is it biologically advantageous to use any of them? I say we do the environment a favor and use that which there is an overabundance of: cats.

but they scratch and bite, whereas your esophagus allows you to both swallow down information AND regurgitate it later if you're bulimic enough

[JDodge]

Can we please get back on the track of finding scum?

We are currently discussing what the best bodily organ/pet is best for finding scum, so thus by figuring out how to find scum we are setting into motion the process of finding scum

[JDodge]

Why is Oman at lynch-3? opportunistic anyone? and Oman: Self voting is such an anti town move; it doesn't gain you anything. your actions only make you look more scummy because of pointless extremism. nobody needs that.

I know this is a lot of people but :

FoS: Everyone on the Oman wagon and yes that includes you Oman

seriously. What are you guys doing? 1 is a random vote, 2 randoms in a coincidence, 3 randoms is complete bs.

My vote was not random. Also, how is it in any way suspicious if the votes were random, as by definition random votes have no meaning behind them whatsoever? If it has no meaning, how can it be in any way indicative of alignment?

[JDodge]

Gah, wait, it was random.

Sorry, got my games confused for a second there.

[JDodge]

The asshattedness is annoying me.

Flameaxe, why do you insist on derailing this game?

Why are you not calling kabenon on derailing as well? Why are you not mentioning my derailing - albeit to a lesser extent - behaviour?

[JDodge]

Unvote, vote: kabenon

I hate too townie

[JDodge]

I'm back live.

Unvote Vote Jdodge

This guy seems pretty newbie, and you jump on him for his fallacy rather than explaining it to him.

Bullshit. Don't feed me that "OH HE'S A NEWBIE HE DOESN'T KNOW ANY BETTER" crap. This is an

open

game. Not a

newbie

game. If you're going to seriously go after me for not acting as a mentor in a game where I have no obligation to do so, you need to have your head checked. Furthermore, he is

not

a newbie, he has numerous completed games, so get your facts straight. The fact that you go after me for something, realize our mistake and yet still have your vote in the same place and try to explain it with "HIS VOTES SUCKZ" severely casts doubt upon your alignment.

[JDodge]

Unvote

I have no obligation to do so,

Thats a good point.

Really? Because last time someone pointed it out...

I'm back live.

Unvote Vote Jdodge

This guy seems pretty newbie, and you jump on him for his fallacy rather than explaining it to him.

True, except this isn't a newbie game, and thus JD doesn't need to be that IC figure to help lead the way. A wiki link (such as there was) seemed like plenty of explanation to me.

...you responded with this:

Sorry, I didn't mean the newb comment, for some reasons I put your join date about 4 months in the future.

Still, the too townie fallacy sucks.

Hi scum.

Oman and kabenon are scum together, guys. I'm even more certain of Oman than I am of kabenon.

Unvote, vote: Oman

diescumdie

[JDodge]

You lose on both accounts. 1 I am not scum and 2. that post was not in response to flameaxes.

1. You are

2. It still shows that you knew it was wrong before I pointed it out.

[JDodge]

Yeah? You don't think BBM defending you has a little less weight than your defence of yourself?

THAT'S ENTIRELY IRRELEVANT.

Regardless of who said it, it was

said

. Either you A.) Willfully ignored the words of someone to continue pushing after me, or B.) Didn't want to listen to it because you were trying to push me.

[JDodge]

1. You are

Vote: JDodge

You can't know that he's scum. That's pretty scummy to accuse someone of being scum without really good information.

This is terrible basis for vote.

[JDodge]

It's been my expierence that scum duck and cover where as town people are trying to uncover them underneath all the crap reasoning.

Wow, how is this relevant to my actions?

Jdodge, you are, as usual, using horrible logic to come to the wrong conclusion.

Then back up your claims instead of just using a blanket statement. A blanket statement that you always use when you know you can't win a debate.

[JDodge]

Then back up your claims instead of just using a blanket statement.

1. You are

Hmm.

NICE QUESTION AVOIDANCE

I've already given my reasoning.

[JDodge]

Then back up your claims instead of just using a blanket statement.

1. You are

Hmm.

NICE QUESTION AVOIDANCE

I've already given my reasoning.

ANSWER THE FUCKING QUESTION.

[JDodge]

Alot of your argument is hypothetical, though, and you have no way of knowing whether Oman would defend you for whatever reason

.

The exact same could be said of your argument that Oman is my scum buddy.

Show me where I said Oman was your scum buddy.

Now you're just making stuff up to suit your defense.

You said so when you were referencing the giant talking pie

[JDodge]

MORE OMAN AND KABENON VOTES

I'll settle for Flameaxe and thinktank after that piss-poor distancing attempt, though

[JDodge]

Depending on his answer to my question I may be on this Kabenon wagon.

just bus your buddy already and get on with it

[JDodge]

It's anti-town being scum and all. We should kill him already.

You know, without the avatar I almost thought this was Jdodge. I doubt you could mimic the genius, so posting your case, or pointing me to where you posted it earlier does help.

double-standards are scummy

especially when there is a meta for not posting reasons for

both

of us

[JDodge]

Yeah JD, but I've given up trying to get you to post reasons, I figured I might be able to change his mind.

Why would you like it if I wouldn't be scum? That would make me townie, and that would mean you are pushing the lynch of a townie... got something to confess?

epic phail.

So essentially you're going after someone you perceive to be an easy target?

[JDodge]

No, not really. From my perspective, you're setting up to switch your vote over because you want to try and build up a bullshit case (and accompanying wagon) based entirely off of playstyle arguments that are indisputable as so-called "universal scumtells" (which essentially only work in a vacuum). Since you can do this with either me or BBM, you decide that it's more beneficial to go after BBM (who is the easier target here, it's almost impossible to dispute otherwise) because

A.) You know you won't win that argument against me

and

B.) There's less of a meta on BBM, so it's harder for him to dispute the facts of your case.

Granted it does assume that you are scum or a complete idiot, but I feel confident in making that assumption.

[JDodge]

unvote, vote: kabenon

go wagon go

[JDodge]

Why is thinktank STILL alive? You guys fucking suck at mafia.

oman and kabenon are better wagons.

[JDodge]

I'll pass on them. thinktank is a much better wagon.

ugh will you stop bussing your buddy for a couple minutes

it's more important for you to lynch the other scum than to lynch yourself

[JDodge]

Except thinktank is still scum. People can't change roles in this game, therefore, he is still scum.

WE GET THAT YOU ARE THINKTANK'S SCUMPARTNER

PLEASE BE PRODUCTIVE AND WAGON KABENON

KTHX

[JDodge]

Except thinktank is still scum. People can't change roles in this game, therefore, he is still scum.

WE GET THAT YOU ARE THINKTANK'S SCUMPARTNER

PLEASE BE PRODUCTIVE AND WAGON KABENON

KTHX

Wow you are thick. You're no better than he is. In fact I wouldn't be surprised if the two of you were partners.

Interesting.

I like your reaction. It's very "He's not my scumpartner. BUT YOU'LL NEVER KNOW!!!!".

[JDodge]

If jdodge thinks that Flame and thinktank is scum, why is he pushing kaben? Why is LP so enamored with his brilliance? hmmm....

because i think kabenon and oman are the other scumpair

pay attention

[JDodge]

This is insanity. You are voting me because I didn't outright deny that Flameaxe was my partner? I'm sorry I thought I made the point clear there was no way in hell that the two of us could be on a team. Jdodge, ignoring your thick as metal personality for a moment, I find it odd that you think me and him are the scum pair yet you vote for me, when flameaxe hasn't just been making false accusation the entire game with no backing up. If you think me and Flameaxe are partners you are sadly mistaken and have completely misread this game. Flameaxe has done nothing intelligent this game, he has only pointed fingers and debated at the level of a 7 year old.

LPowell: you are voting for me based on what dodge said? Are you really stating that his one blank observation is enough to convince you that 'm scum? If so you are either extremely flippant, which is scummy, or you're opportunistic, which is also scummy.

You're extremely dense.

[JDodge]

this is a very relevant and useful exchange

[JDodge]

Revise my previous scumpairs: I'm now convinced of an Oman/kabenon pair mixed with a thinktank/LP pair.

Unvote, vote: LutenitPowwel

My vote is going to the largest wagon that is on scum.

[JDodge]

thank you for answering on the thinkaxe question for me oman

[JDodge]

Jdodge, didn't you originally think that me and flameaxe were scum because apparently you thought our exchange was a distancing attempt? now you've revised your views and you think its LP and me? Based on your earlier given reason, why couldn't it have been flameaxe and LP?

The fact that your still pushing my wagon when your primary reason was my exchange with flameaxe is just evidence to support my earlier statement that you are the one distancing yourself from Flameaxe and you two are one of the scum pair.

i really really think you're an idiot if you assume that is the only reason

[JDodge]

TylerJ, you fail utterly. We had no night one, there could be no cop investigation. There is only one other option, but I won't tell you what that is. Tell me, why would flameaxe know, Tyler?

It almost pains me to vote for LP, because you're even more obv scum with your continued speculation on power roles that don't exist.

[JDodge]

JDodge, try to keep up. I am not speculating on cop existence, I am pointing out that that is probably what TylerJ is thinking, and it cannot happen, therefore he needs another reason for Flameaxe to KNOW that thinktank is scum. And there is only one.

ugh

you're so scum it's not even funny now

[JDodge]

Hence my unvote, and since he falsly claimed

Vote:flameaxe

You are extremely thick.

Why is it that we have 12 players, 4 scum and only 10 people voting for them?

[JDodge]

Draux: It's not a precise science by any means; it's not the

type

of interaction, it's the

manner

in which they interact.

[JDodge]

That's -1. Claim or die, LP

[JDodge]

Well, Tyler, that was extremely scummy. We wanted LP to claim, not die.

actually i wanted him to claim then most likely die

your lack of adding "not die" in

when you yourself were on the lynching wagon

tells me that your intention was probably that of rooting out masons/monks and thus you are scum

but we already knew that

[JDodge]

Was it decided that this setup was supposed to be a daystart instead of nightstart, or did the mod just choose to screw up the balance like that?

And what about the single-crosskill immunity that both sides had in the first 2 masons & monks games?

game would have had a drastically different outcome if these changes were not made