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Hello, I'm Arakorn and I'll be replacing McStab. As there's already 11 pages here I really don't feel like thoroughly reading through them all, so could someone just quickly sum up what actions have been taken so far? (Like, which day and who were lynched and who night killed etc?)
Or, we haven't started yet? There's nothing in the first post at least...-
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Sorry, I'm having like 5 schoolprojects that needs to be completed within a week, but I will read through every post and try to contribute. (I am usually quite quiet, which makes me stand out here in a Mafia-dedicated community. ) Anyway, I still have no suspects at this moment...neko2086 wrote: 3- Arakorn?- This guy is new, so I don't know what to make of him, but he hasn't done much to be helpful. My best guess is that this is a newbie thrown into a scum position and doesn't know what to do. This is just a guess. If I'm wrong, Arakorn, you may want to start participating to prove it to me and the others.-
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Enough said.gorckat wrote: I will wagon whomever needs to be wagonned to lynch. At this point, I just want this fucking game to go to night so that something will happen.Vote: Gorckat
Note to all: I am still here, it's just that until wednesday next week, I can't be that active, alot of goddamn schoolwork.
Tally:
soupfly (3) - Archaist, SirWario, gorckat
Gorckat (2) – Tarhalindur, Arakorn
Guardian (1) - Pra a Funkee Home Sapien
neko2086 (1) - soupfly
Sikario8 (1) - neko2086
SirWario (1) - Guardian
Arakorn (1) - MeMe
not voting (2) - Gorgon, Rikimaru-
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Yes, after Tuesday/Wednesday I will have more time again. For the rest of this weekend though, until late Sunday, I will be away, ie I don't even have access to internet. But I promise that I will read whatever new posts has been made by then.
And just a note regarding my newbieness, I've been involved in a couple of games, the last one was me being one of 3 mafia's and not a single mafia was killed in that game. It is true that my skills can be considered noobiness, but I do have experiences from playing these games. Ask the mod or Pra though, been playing with them. (I am known for not being so contributive though...)-
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Well, basically as I said I didn't think anyone was suspicious enough to motivate a vote for me, secondly, I thought it was going to get me suspicious. And with results at hand, it wouldn't have helped (lynched with 4, secondary candidates at 2).
Is it an unwritten rule here (Mafiascum-forums) that everyone should vote? Because in my past games, there has always been several who hasn't voted. (Partially because of inactivity, but even active players have decided not to vote).-
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I wouldn't say that I was "really worried", I just wanted to be sure that it was a real lynch, I've been involved in one game where 7 votes were needed for a lynch and then we thought we reached seven, but we had only 6 (I knew about this, but couldn't post before it). After having read about the 7th vote claim the target then started "crying", and everyone unvoted because they thought that if he was scum and had gotten the necessary votes, he would have admitted.gorckat wrote:mikeburnfire and Arakorn, by a quick skim, are at the top of my list. Srakorn was really worried about MeMe's self-vote counting, and mike didn't make any case on Tar before flipping on MeMe.
I like avote: Arakornright now.
Don't remember if that guy turned out to be scum in the end, but I feel he had a special role...
Anyway, that's not the point, my point is that I just wanted to ensure that the necessary votes have been collected, and my previous experience says that self votes are not allowed.
BTW, I believe Soupfly.-
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Is that supposed to be a joke. Because it is funny, but scummy. (Hey, a rhyme!)mikeburnfire wrote:I think we should kill Javert. If he is scum, then he will never forget the town that destroyed him and his scumbuddies in a perfect volley of lynches. If he is town, then he will never forget the first game in which he got lynched as town. Either way this will be an epic game for him.
Seriously though, I wouldn't put too much confidence in the inventions as their names are pretty vague and so it is quite hard to guess their real effect. I'm still all for Tar deciding on who to lynch.-
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Oh, why is that?gorckat wrote:Did they know they were "lovers"? Shit.
FoS: ArakornandJavert
I think our (hopefully) last scum is one of them.
Just the same reasons Soup stated? Then that makes your post pretty useless
I am too 99% sure that either Javert or Gorckat is scum, myself I'm just a regular townie.
Gonna try to read a bit back in this thread, see what I can find from Gorckat's and Javert's posts...-
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Well none of those lines makes me scum either. About saying I'm town, it wasn't entirely to deny that I'm not a doctor, although it was partly. I guess I just wanted to say that I had no special role, and well, also to tell you that I'm not scum...neko2086 wrote: Arakorn made a less-than-impressive entrance into the game, and has contributed very little. In his last post, he got defensive and also decided to share with us that he's a townie, neither of which is helpful.-
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Just the ones on this page (page 24 with 20 posts per page I believe).neko2086 wrote:Arakorn, do you mean that you've always suspected me and not Javert? Maybe to alleviate confusion, could you point out which posts you mistook me for Javert or vice versa?
My suspicious-list:
1. Gorckat
2. Neko
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Sure.gorckat wrote: Arakorn- do us a favor- quote and correct all the posts where you mixed up neko and Javert. I'm not understanding what mistakes you made.
Post number 576: (In response to Gorckat's "Arakorn- you have no suspicion of Javert?")
And then post 578:Me wrote: Less than I have of Gorckat to be honest. Why??
In both those posts I thought you were talking about Neko and not Javert, don't ask me why.Me wrote: Calling a 50% suspicion to a 60-70& suspicion is a major swing?
Votecount;
Arakorn (2) soupfly, gorckat
gorckat (1) arakorn
Not voting; The rest of you-
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Right let's see then...
(Sorry lost interest as it was a bit quiet and that's why I didnt check until now.
To be honest, no. Not the part in the beginning.Javert wrote:1.)Arakorn, have you 'thoroughly' read the game by now?
If by "posts of substance" you mean posts like your analysis, then I'm not sure; both are equally hard. While spam are very annoying, huge analysises can be hard to read (maybe for someone with English not as his/her's first language).Javert wrote:2.)You claimed at one point that the game 'could have been several pages of spam'. Do you find spam easier to read through, or posts of substance?
-->a.If you answer 'spam', then the game should have been fairly easy to read through when you replaced on the top of Page 11. Why then did you appear to avoid reading the game for so long?
-->b.If you answer substantive posts, then why have you not commented on those posts which are actually substantive? I would very much like your commentary on the gorckat-Javert discussion on the last few pages.
As to why I didn't respond to the analysises, it was probably because I felt that I wouldn't have anything that would be considered good and informative posting, and I've experienced games in which posts like that, posts that contain no real information, are considered scummy.
To my knowledge, deadlines are good for the scum, who wish to get the day over ASAP. Why would I vote for someone if I had no suspicions, at least not enough to warrant a vote for someone?Javert wrote:3.)After returning from Christmas break, you enter the game claiming to think that day was the deadline day. If this is true, why weren't you compelled to read the game and vote as soon as possible? Deadlines, in my experience, tend tospuractivity.
I really don't remember much from this time though, it is 3 months ago, but was the deadline moved a week further? That's the only reason I can think of as the reason why I thought it was the deadline...
I voted for him because of his scummy post, as seen inJavert wrote:4.)Why did you vote for gorckat near deadline only to unvote him soon thereafter?mypost. Wanted to pressurise him, then later unvoted. I realise now it was stupid of me not to motivate this unvote.
No, I thought his claim had enough proof. (BTW it would have helped had you linked to Tar's posts, "claims", too...)Javert wrote:5.)Would you have voted for MeMe if Tarhalindur had not claimed? Would you have voted Tarhalindur if he had 'refused' to claim? Try to answer honestly, and with reasoning.
I held my vote there as a pressure vote. Don't have anything more to say to my defense here.Javert wrote:6.)Why did you claim that you wanted the town towaitto lynch MeMe while you were stillvotingfor her? Do you agree that if that was your intention, you would have been better offholding offvoting for MeMe?
Would a scum have lynched his scum-mate, or wouldn't the scum after having urged for more discussion actually unvote too? This would avoid suspicion very much.
Javert wrote:7.)I would also like you to clarify, once and for all, exactly who your suspects are, and in what order. You switched from the beginning of Day Four from {gorckat and Javert} to {gorckat and neko2086}, and I would like to make sure this is – in fact – what you are intending to do. Once you have clarified, I would like reasoning as for why this is where you are placing us, and what caused you into making this switch.
My top suspect remains Gorckat. Second comes Neko, then Javert, but the difference between these is minimal.-
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Yeh I'm here, but I'm seriously beginning to lose interest. I just don't want to put as much time into these games as you guys, and I am not nearly as skilled as you.
Since it was a deadline, a player would have gotten killed with or without my vote. I'd rather trust in your votes, (the more experienced player's) than in my own "feelings".Javert wrote: Let me ask my same question in a different way. If you thought that day was the deadline day, why were you not spurred to read the game tofind outwho you were most suspicious of so that you could give a warranted vote?
(You mean if I wouldn't have known he had a special role?)Javert wrote: If Tarhalindur never claimed his role at all or that he had an investigation (but instead just went after MeMe), would you have voted MeMe alongside with him? Or would have done something else?
Probably not, as I would have had significantly less evidence against MeMe.
I see now. Well, I guess I did wrong then... (ehm, was there a question somewhere...?)Javert wrote: Response: In my experience, if a townsperson wants more discussion, they should take away the avenues forstoppingdiscussion (which means they should unvote somebody, especially if they are anywhere close to being lynched).
Here is an example of what I am getting at from another game (which is pretty famous and everybody on the site should read it, in my humble opinions): Post #157 from Axelrod-scum in Worst Role Evar Mafia. He claims he doesnotwant a player lynched while putting them at Lynch-1, and then that player is lynched anyways immediately afterwards (by a townsperson, no less). If Axelrod hadreallynot wanted that player lynched yet, he would not havevotedfor him – as you may notice, he actuallydidwant that player lynched. His actions and his words were contradicting each other.
As it is, scum had a vested interest in making Day Two inthisgame go as fast as possible; the sooner MeMe was lynched, the less information the town could actually get from the lynch; this is an excellent reason for scum to (for example) claim they do not want the day to end yet while keeping their vote on MeMe (in hopes she actually is lynched all the sooner). This is why I am poking you about this subject.
Well, I have throughout some of Gorckat's posts "sensed" some offensiveness against me, as well as something that I consider scummy. No examples currently...Javert wrote:Pleasego into detail. Thepointof me asking you questions is becauseI do not know your alignment, and I am trying to figure that out. The longer your response, the more likely I am to judge correctly. Point to posts you don't like (or do like), make a case, tell me where you get particular vibes: do whatever you need to do so that I can see you havesomereasoning behind why you are placing players where they are on your suspicions list.
My "problem" with neko is how easily he got away. (Known townies: Neko).
I later then asked why he was so certainly a townie, and Soup replied that he had investigated him. (the Forged Money-printer, which really had an unclear function).-
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To me it seems pretty clear now that Javert is mafia, because if Neko was mafia he would've finished the game already. Thus I won't withdraw my vote. (And to Neko it is obvious that either Javert or me is scum.)
Neko, the reason I voted for Javert was that had you been scum it would have made no difference who I would vote for, you could easily enter the game and "seal the deal". That is unless you want to play around but I find it highly unlikely as you would have a certain win in your hands. If you would be scum and not vote yet then if Javert and I would vote you you would lose.
Yesterday (IRL) when I posted I still thought that Neko was scum, but because Javert already voted for me the only chance of survival I had was to vote Javert and hope that Neko did the same, which has kinda come true, at least Neko didn't vote for me (again, giving me reason to believe that Javert is scum).
So we're at a point then when Neko needs to decide who to vote for. Take your time...
Just want to admit that all the suspicion Javert has for me is valid. I just hope that Javert's decision to vote for me straight away will turn Neko over to my side.-
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