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so from a really quick skim:
Maria, RK, josh, kraska, nadr, and EP are all fine members of this town in various degrees. order i listed them is pretty much my confidence in them (though at kraska and below it's basically just *~vibes~*)
not really sure if I want kyouko or mykonian dead more. kyouko's posts all feel needlessly long and don't really say much in the end. feels like newbscum IIaO to me. myko's interactions with maria and josh and lack of any interaction with kyouko are all really bugging me. plus his approach to reading people this game is kinda ick (like the color of his name) and feels disingenuous.
VOTE: Mykonian
waffling on MTD and gamma, and gerry is useless as always. think that's everyone. would expand on any of these if needed but fuck doing that unprompted yknow
kinda sad that there's no one in this game i want to be sassy about... i just compiled a pretty big folder of reaction gifs/pics that i gotta use
i need personal engagement to do shit though so let's do some of that
Kyokou- What did you find "thoughtful" about Mykonian's 12?
- wrt to 98, you should always want to lynch the person you're most suspicious of, especially D1. that's how u get shit done. caring about wagon composition/what the people you're voting with are doing is a little too big-picture thinking for early game to me at least.
- wrt to 100, I agree with your philosophy on D1 wagons, but with the information that was available at the time of your vote there was information to make a more informed vote imo. What are your reads on Gamma and Mykonian?
Mykonian- Could you answer 52? It bugged me too.
- What's your Kyouko read?
- I think I know the site where Josh plays, and what you called hypocrisy (the way he "fencesits", waiting to see what other people do but then calling out lurkers, etc.) is really typical behavior there. Does this impact your read on him?
Joshz- you're from PS! right?? wanna make sure i didn't get that wrong lmfao, i think you said something about circus but i'm under the assumption that PS! = circus = smogon so idk (i haven't been active in that community in years and someone told me that there was a forum mafia community there that i wasn't aware of so)
- wrt to 163, we typically try to genuinely lynch someone right off the bat because that's how you, again, get shit done. i'm assuming you do scumread mykonian, yeah? could you talk to me a little bit more about your read on him either way?
Kraskanumbers- Could you elaborate on your Gamma and MTD reads?
- Sheep me on Mykonian?
Road Kamelot- What felt obvtown about Kyouko's interactions with you? like i kind of get what you said but i might need to go more in-depth because i'm still scumreading him.
- Could you talk about your Gamma read?
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Can you give me like 2 townreads? They don't have to be good, just like there. I think you're town but I need a coherent thought process from you.
hi transcend....................... i wanted to play a normal tbh
also i vibe with this tbh, i tried to do a close reading of this game but gave up at page 2 lmfao.Transcend wrote:Fuck reading
I'm town and I'm just gonna hammer whoever you put at L-1 first.i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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In post 237, Transcend wrote:236 was a scum claimSpoiler: me rni no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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with the gamma/myko dynamic, i'm pretty much on the same boat as you. like i can't tell if myko is the kind of person who intentionally hyperfocuses on his buddy earlygame? i felt ssbm was doing some typical newbie scum stuff and idk why town!myko who believes everything he wrote this game doesn't at least ask him a question? i want more from him though.In post 248, Joshz wrote:Their interactions with gamma seem potentially SvS, they really aren't selling me, or TvS at the least. Really not getting a TvT vibe. His posts on me are also very weak, and his first post is a great example of long posts w.o content ;^) and most of his posts are just re: gamma or re: me
good to know we're basically in the same headspace tho
also transcend I WAS GOING TO LYNCH MICHEL but deadline and i didn't feel like persuading kraskai no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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yeah probablyIn post 258, Transcend wrote:I've only read page 1 but i don't see gamma/myk being a team. Should i read more?
i'm still like digesting the possibility
ALSO I WASi no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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wanted to work on solidifying my reads first before working on my nulls since i don't put much faith in what i get from just reading. also gerry can't be read via direct interaction imoIn post 276, MTD wrote:giga, i would like to know why you seek personal interactions with those you already have reads on but not with gamma, me and gerry.
writing that out i guess that's kind of a weird way to prioritize but that's how i work
plus i want to hear what kraska likes about you before i decide what i want to focus on you i guess
responding to myko and ssbm in a sec
also MTD transcend so far seems like a fine member of this town (fmott). personally i'm developing a few tells on him and he's not hitting them so far, plus his page 1 reads are good enough for me.i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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In post 266, ssbm_Kyouko wrote:12 looked thoughtful in comparison to 13. 12 looked like the first somewhat serious post to me in RVS, then Gamma posts something similar, and it gets pointed out that Gamma copied what was actually a blank post, that I, being inexperienced, saw as substantive for how early on it was. I agreed with the reasoning that Gamma copying a blank looked scummy so I voted him.
I'm not too sure how anyone comes to the conclusion that it's a serious/game-progressing post, but OK, at least you realized it wasn't.
I disagree with you wrt 98. If I just lynch whoever is most suspicious to me, I miss out on the opportunity to hear from players who haven't cast legitimate suspicions. These players might be scum and by letting them slide through D1 town loses info that could be useful later. Like I said in 98 though, I respect that some people disagree with me on this.
Pushing to lynch someone you find suspicious though is how you can hear from other players who haven't cast legit suspicions
If such information was present I skipped over it because I felt I was being baselessly attacked and was focused on resisting RK. I drafted a post last night before bed about Gamma but waited to post it until after more people had chipped in. I'll post it soon, with a pedit. Will read again and decide on mykonian but I like him so far. That may be because he was already on RK when she attacked me though. Doing laundry atm, expect gamma thoughts within 15
did you read all of page one when you wrote 38? that's what i was referring to, so i don't really follow your answer. sorry if that was unclear. but you basically answered it already in response to question 1 so.
with mykonian's response and 299 i feel slightly better about kyouko tbh.In post 267, mykonian wrote:1. I posted about already, someone else also asked a clarification of the vote, must be a page and a bit later. In short, buddying as a choice of tell is in my estimation of RK as a player, how experienced she is, etc. It makes sense from someone like her to jump in the breach for an attacked player slightly too eagerly.
I thought her points were valid though and didn't feel out of place (i.e., buddying). If you're like me and skim most ongoing games, you can pretty easily get a good impression of what kind of player Gamma is like. also if her goal were buddying i'd think her read on gamma wouldn't develop as it did.
2. Null, must admit, this being a newbie game kind of messes with me. You get all sorts.
OK, then let's try to develop a read on him... What did you think about his vote on 38? And my value call that his posts are "long winded and don't really say much in the end?" because i would think that someone looking for newbie scumtells like you said you were would call that out.
I've been way more lenient with Gamma for example than I would be with most people I'd play with. He's ehm, what do you call it in English. Dutch would be "aangeschoten wild". He got beaten up a bit at the start, that might have flustered him a bit, the wolves are looking at him and he's stumbling from one situation to the next. Even if RK ends up flipping scum, there's no way that that won't cling to him somehow, pack mentality is really sad in that way, he's shown a weakness this game.
i mean i agree that gamma has shown himself as a lynchbaity and awkward player but that's just who he is regardless of alignment. don't really see why that's a reason to be lenient. don't get the bit about RK, are you saying that you think RK/gamma associatives are obvious?
3. Well I'm not voting him for a reason. Again, you get all sorts. I am rather annoyed by it though. You join, you play the game. We used to have a player who did the same and it's rather frustrating to play with.
I think Joshz has done an OK job at playing this game and presenting opinions so I don't really know if I can agree with this. If you're worried about a lack of engagement though, why not ask questions or get reads from him? From what I remember you pretty much went straight to calling him out rather than asking him questions, which looks to me more like looking for a scapegoat than frustration over a playstyle.
@Xnadr, you townread me over Maria? That seems kinda silly tbh, talk to me a bit more on that?
@MTD, not really sure why you would ask people in general for their transcend read if you're just not going to listen but ok... also i can't tell if you're scumreading me or nullreading me and not the type who listens to nullread's reads?
that's basically gerry :////In post 283, mykonian wrote:Gerry I'm mostly wondering about why he joined this game. The most I get out of his posts is that he does not want to be here.
he was vigged last game i played with him and that's how we townread him.
he's doing shit tho?? idgiIn post 309, Gamma Emerald wrote:Whatever
I was trying to see if Josh actually did shit later, thanks for making me out the plan you pieces of trashi no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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why is it scummy?In post 312, Joshz wrote:Scummy read post imo
Gamma I'm pretty sure you aren't the only one who was waiting to see if I followed through and if you were I'm disappointed in everyone else. At everyone else, this ingenious plan is not explicitly townie
also my impression of xnadr is basically this one game on PS! where i tried to policy lynch him the entire game and he just shitposted and was useless in response (he was town). he feels the same here.i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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why were rem's posts scummy?
like i can get townish or null but scummy is weird i guess? obviously it's hard for me to see because i'm rem but idgi
yeah im not too crazy about it either but i've had a few fun games and it's what made me sign up here tooJoshz wrote:I never liked ps mafia fwiw I've only played it like twice I don't like the environment and id much rather tos for fast games
On topic: his read post doesn't really commit to anything. Nothing of substance either. Idling and then coming back with that is not great.
I agree with what you said about Xnadr's post but I don't think that makes it scummy, just newbie. I specifically asked him for reads and didn't ask for reasoning because I wanted to see if there was anything I felt was worth prodding.i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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wait fuck i forgot about that lmfao
gamma why were you trying to start a page 7 rqs?? like 2 and 3 are actually OK questions for an RQS (1 is a terrible rqs question and you should know that ://) but like what are you expecting to achieve with that?i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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the first oneIn post 330, Transcend wrote:which one was bad?
usually when that's asked it has PR fishing intentions. i don't really see any other purpose of asking it besides fluff (which is generally not something i scumread but it's not good imo) or pr fishing.
no but likeGamma Emerald wrote:
I like to wait so everyone can get to know each other because I try to ask a trust-based question (question 3, about who you think is good as town)In post 328, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:wait fuck i forgot about that lmfao
gamma why were you trying to start a page 7 rqs?? like 2 and 3 are actually OK questions for an RQS (1 is a terrible rqs question and you should know that ://) but like what are you expecting to achieve with that?
what sort of motive did you have with those questions? what were you expecting?
and usually any time beyond page 1 is too late for an rqs... if you just want to ask the question ask it as a questioni no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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why would you ask a question with applications to claims as town?? unless i'm totally misunderstanding what you just said i'm lost.In post 333, Gamma Emerald wrote:1 has applications with claims I feel
2 was to make sure no one pissed anyone else off
3 was a "who do you consider good at scumhunting" question
Also an addendum: Add Transcend to my answer for 3
2 and 3 are fair though, i like good rqs's (it's just that i felt that it was totally uncalled for...)i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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tbh i feel like i've resolved my questions that i've asked you but i guess the input wouldn't be badIn post 336, Road Kamelot wrote:Rly busy atm sorry guys, will read tomorrow
I can maybe answer some things if yall ask tho
This votecount im seeing is 10/10
yeah explain this pleaseGamma Emerald wrote: Catching fakers
so you ask someone what role they like to play as most... and usually you can read into what role they have based on how they answer (which is why it's a scummy question to ask, especially with newer players who don't know that)... but then you expect to catch fakeclaims?? consider me lost ://
also i'm honestly floored that maria is one of your scummier reads because i thought she was super obvtown? you would know her best but?? other than that we basically have the same readsi no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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oh fuck i forgot i was in a mafia game uh fuck here's a phonepost prodge; i was busy yesterday and probs today so:
transcend how are you like considering a scum!Maria while having mykonian as your top scumread... i mean i realize you can read slots separately but like maria is basically conftown to me because i'm scumreading mykonian and i just??? can't get through my cogdis of seeing a possibly scum maria. dunno man.
kraska, are you mykonian's buddy?? just curious. anyway, i'm kind of liking kyouko's last few posts for some reason (he's not a fmott quite yet but idk i'm not scumreading them as hard as his last posts) so i don't think i really could swing for that lynch? we need to have a back and fourth about this because idfk how i'm going to sort you and you're a PRIORITY sort
also idk if i like larges. might ask to replace into it but yeah. tried one and hated it.
i think mykonian wrote something in response to me (and i need to catch up in general) but i'll get back to that when i have time zzzzzz
also gerry looks better than before, his sudden attempt to try feels pretty genuine. gamma vote is pretty good too. tbh it wouldn't shock me if the whole elitism triad were town this game
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uff. could you cite some posts? and don't hate on the puke greenIn post 236, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:myko's interactions with maria and josh and lack of any interaction with kyouko are all really bugging me. plus his approach to reading people this game is kinda ick (like the color of his name) and feels disingenuous.
i'm liking a myko wagon less and less
gamma is a fantastic pressure point
this and 63 kinda felt like buddying, like Maria disagreed with mykonian's whole premise regarding early gamma yet mykonian keeps telling her that she "gets" it and is analytical (which is TRUE, but the way he does it feels like it's more to make her townread him or at least trust him?). It's just a weird dynamic that feels probably SvT and has some manipulative undertones to it??In post 33, mykonian wrote:
bingo, you are correct. My first post was a blank, it said nothing at all. Why in the world would anyone want to copy a blank post.In post 32, MariaR wrote:
It was the same post is it was 100% useless with no value in saying any of it.In post 31, MTD wrote:I did tell you why i do not think it was the same type of post, let alone "the same exact post".Youget it, because you analyse other peoples posts. Why doesn't Gamma and mindlessly goes with the flow?
vote Gamma
wrt to josh, he just feels more like a scapegoat and i feel like mykonian isn't doing much to sort and understand him. like idk, i actuallylikejosh's contributions and i really don't see the issue MTD and Myko have with him, i'll address their viewpoints when I have time i suppose because he's one of my stronger townreads
kyouko just feels like someone that town!mykonian would be scumreading if what mykonian has been saying is genuine. the lack of any meaningful interaction between the two of them is just a bit shocking to me.
what do you have wrong with a myko wagon? i agree that gamma is a good vote but part of that is that i think they're likely partners (and gamma is scummy on his own to me)i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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lmao really gamma??In post 612, Gamma Emerald wrote:Jailor is not a role on this site.
also mayor is called doublevoter here, we definitely don't have one tho.
usually for CSes we don't claim D1 because there isn't a set strategy like there is for open/semi-open setups. exception is if someone has a negative utility role (e.g., miller, ascetic)
but it's usually not a good idea to speculate about roles in general D1
gonna catch up later today thoi no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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sorry myko for the hard-to-quote format
I don't understand why you wouldn't want to get a feel for multiple players? If you're town you should be trying to sort every slot besides your own.In post 343, mykonian wrote:I am not like you. Gamma is also not the person I'd need to get a feel for, it's kamelot in this case, they are the active personality.
I disagree that people would have a set path for when specific tells would come into play... but i mean i respect the fact you at least have personal experience hereIn post 343, mykonian wrote:I have had a couple of proper newbie games as IC actually, the longwinded lie tell tends to come in a little later as people get a bit more confidence in playing scum, or if they are under attack somehow, that can push people into overexplaining. Here, I don't really get that feel. I get where you come from, but what's the cool term nowadays? NAI? It feels playstyle based rather than allignment, but we can see how that develops. Currently doesn't ring any alarms for me.
i guess it's NAI on its own, but like... it still pings me because a lot of his posts are +1'ing other people, which generally doesn't need a lot of explanation behind it. do you disagree that it looks like he's trying to look like he's contributing? I'm starting to lose my scumread of the slot personally, because a few of his later posts felt townie, but i don't townread him either. Where are you now in sorting him?
the problem with lynchbait is that people are too willing to lower the bar sometimes... but like my issue with you and gamma is that you didn't lower the bar until RK called you out for your push on him, which makes the thought process to you making that value call seem inorganic.In post 343, mykonian wrote:Eh, if you know he's a bit lynchbaity, you adjust the calibration, imo. You somehow have to discern town lynchbait from scum lynchbait. As for the association, right now, you could see it in there, it's a judgement call if you feel RK is a bit too far on Gamma's side and lets go of some suspicion that they might be scum after all altogether. However, if there's a flip, that crystallizes it, at that point, yes, I think it's rather obvious. That is not a scum-scum interaction from a solid, but newer player on MS. RK doesn't strike me as a particulary gambitty player, hence solid.
as for the associations, i'm glad you at least agree that it's not a SvS dynamic there
You don't think his stubbornness is town stubbornness though? Also, I don't think you would be able to get into his position as scum because a portion of it comes from being new (and not being useless,In post 343, mykonian wrote:I've kicked up my share of dust, didn't change his engagement. Calling him out only made him stubborn. For me, if I were scum, I'd love to get away with the position he currently is in, and he's getting away with it. So it's not just frustration, it's also that if he's scum, I want him out in the open.xnadr).
Spoiler: ketchup
needs to talk to me because my townread on her slot is going ... kyouko is not the scummiest person in the game and we need to sort that shit out tbh.Kraska "kraskos" "kranksa" Seventy Seven
also there's questions in that spoiler to various people that i don't feel like extracting yet. maybe later. i feel exceptionally lazy this game dunno why
should i towncase josh btw because i s2g if someone else votes for him i'm going to scream??? he's super obvtown and actually sheepable (which is pretty sick for a newbie imo). i just... don't get the push on him at all.i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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1. I mean I am townreading it, but it's not so much the line itself as it is the general attitude Maria gives off. Like from what I recall from playing with scum!Maria, she spent most of her time alive acting with a persona and I feel like someone who utilizes that kind of strategy does care about the way they look while Maria... cleatly does not.In post 628, gerryoat wrote:Giga, I think it would be easier if you just outed a reads list in order, as it would make it easier to follow for the lazier ones. 2 questions.
1.) Do you honestly TR Maria for this line?
If so, why? I can assure you that the line you're are referring to can be easily faked, especially since MariaR isn't a new player who would say it more naturally. Is there past context that makes you read into that line more than you should be?In post 378, MariaR wrote:I'm not trying to be towny? I'm trying to play a game
2.) What does fmott mean?
I was obviously being facetious when I was saying that the law of averages would be the reason why gamma is mafia sided, but I do like the fact that it looked as though you were actually reading in order.
2. Fine member of this town. basically a townread
also a readlist at the time you asked:
{Kamelot, XnadrojX, Joshz, EP, gerry} - Strong Town
{Maria, Transcend} - Town
{Kraska} - Eh, town i guess?? i need engagement
{MTD} - fuck man his vote choices are bad but idk they're not scummy
{Kyouko} - ??? not town enough to be townread, some posts are scummy but like some of his reactions were townie
{Gamma} - lean scum
{Mykonian} - scum
but like from skimming i think i'm going to switch maria and kraska? my sleeping disorder has been out of control so i haven't really been able to read the thread closely. being behind in mafia tho means i'm behind in school and that does come first... might vla after a more substantial catch-upi no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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remember i've put zero critical thought into this game since when i replaced in. i have to reread with kraska's case in mindIn post 814, Transcend wrote:nadr strong town????
you're still convinced on your gamma/myko theory?
i kinda really don't see that all anymore g
plus i've been thinking about it... the only people who make sense with mykonian as scum are Gamma and MTD... maybe kraska but i think she's town here now. myko is sticking to his nullread on kyouko and i feel like as partners he'd bs a read because i kept poking at him for one. Maria and Myko are definitely not SvS interactions and one's scum flip 100% clears the other. everyone else is basically town so... either that's the scumteam or i'm really off
tbh i really need to read Marquis's normal and compare Marias and maybe take another look at scum!Gamma some time.
and YES i think jordan is really town. i've played with him as scum (on a different medium but like i have the same tells across all ways of playing so idt anyone else would be too different) and i'm like 90% this is him as town. like i think people wouldn't townread him for genuinity/tone because he'd just straight up shitpost as scum, while here he's shitposting because his genuine attempts at solving the game are shit... but genuine.i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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I THOUGHT I'D NOT SLEEP YESTERDAY AND WORK ON THIS GAME
BUT I SLEPT
FOR 16 HOURS
YET AGAIN
VOTE: Kyouko
myko really does not have any plausible partners... unless you agree with me that the scumteam has to be MTD/Gamma with myko please tell me who else can be scum with myko because no one on that wagon seems to be considering that?? someone who doesn't have plausible partners is GENERALLY town, and definitely not a D1 lynch
i'm (still) townreading Maria and a Gamma vote is basically a worse myko vote so??
let's make this happen
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why me thoIn post 842, Transcend wrote:VOTE: Kyuoko
Honestly giga, ima just sheep u this day because I'm hardly able to be fucked about this right now, and i just want a flip.
and why do my catchups give me lynch immunity..........??
they're not even that goodi no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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he's town though!!!!!! trust my meta read at least...In post 848, mykonian wrote:
you are a special kind of crazy.In post 841, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:jordan is obvtown though let's not vote there
btw when you were talking about how crappy your wagon was you never commented on my vote... does that mean you thought it was an Ok vote or what?? i pointed it out in one of my spoilers but idk if you read those
but like.... what makes them... town?? idgi tbh because i could totally do that as scumTranscend wrote:Bc i don't think your catch ups are scum motivated
If they are then leave me alive all game and let me mislynch whatever town you desire in lylo loli no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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transcend is buddying me guys!!!!!!!!!!!!In post 853, Transcend wrote:Forget it giga
I just trust you okay?
You will be today's doublevoter and that's that
VOTE: Transcend
VOTE: Kyoukoi no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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josh i trusted you???
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no really
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i mean what kind of reaction where u expecting
and yeah the wagon grew kinda quickly and i'm slightly skeeved by myko/gamma/mtd ALL favoring this wagon but like wagon compisition is something to care about post lynchi no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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maria will be a scumread if kyouko does flip red just for this post aloneIn post 892, MariaR wrote:Kraska does it weird you out that your main sr is wanting to hammer your other main sr?i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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@myko
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if my scumhunting strat wasn't to get a bunch of townreads and see what teams make sense from the leftovers (and weaker townreads) then i'd still be gunning for your lynch tbh
but like every game i have there's someone who's town who i relentlessly scumread and tunnel all game despite strong evidence pointing to them being town... if i weren't self-aware that'd probably be you
also maria it was more the tone of it that i didn't like than the question itself.... felt cheeky and like something someone with INSIDE KNOWLEDGE says ://i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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A SCUM TAUNT
"look at me kraska, im ur scumread hammering ur other scumread who's flipping red... can't possibly be bussing now, can i?? "
scum!Maria is not at all reserved thomykonian wrote:
I don't think scum maria would pull that cheekyness off though. Look how she's played, I think I used the word "reserved". That cheek would be a gambit if it came from scum. Much easier to imagine from Maria's position if she doesn't know the result of the flip, and plays off kraska's offense.In post 899, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:felt cheeky and like something someone with INSIDE KNOWLEDGE says ://
and if cheekiness is a gambit then scum!Maria constantly gambits tbhi no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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it's deadline and wagons tend to grow quick at that point
the votes themselves are NAI but later in the game after some flips this will be useful data (how genuine read progressions are, etc.)
also why have i been the patsy of such a reaction test multiple times??i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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i believe that 7 days until deadline is when deadline paranoia should start honestly. i'll say that again in post game bc it's true.
too many terrible experiences with them.
also i think my reads have substance?? i can go in depth about most of them but no one has really been prodding me to go into any of them more than i have? which reads are you talking about anyway
kyouko read hasn't really developed though, you're right in that regard i guess but?? i don't think voting for a nullread is a terrible idea especially if you feel less confident about a scumread and are exploring other angles... which is exactly what i am doing.
like some of things i liked (from what i can remember, paranoia, attention to weird things??) were really not enough to make me townread his slot... so iunnoi no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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I'm not really townreading Gamma but the size and timing of his wagon doesn't feel right. Especially considering Myko didn't have a counterwagon like kyouko does... I definitely doubt they're both scum though because D1 double-counterwagons on scum is a thing that doesn't happen.
I was low-key hoping that the ~wall post~ would make me rethink the SSBM lynch from him but his Gamma case felt empty and kind of IIoA-y. My vote stays for today.
I'm fine with a hammer as soon as RK, Jordan, and EP get whatever words in they need since I think everyone else has said their piece for today.i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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yeah, vtIn post 1023, Errantparabola wrote:
the last few pages were basically nothing so I in turn have nothing.In post 1019, gigabyteTroubadour wrote:I'm fine with a hammer as soon as RK, Jordan, and EP get whatever words in they need since I think everyone else has said their piece for today.
This guy claim yet?i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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????In post 736, XnadrojX wrote:Skimmed through my opinions so far are still scum MTD
gigabyteTroubadour is Town.
Gammaand mykonian are town lean
jordy???
(btw i know this is BAD but i don't think this is scummy it's just??? how did this read progress)i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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{gerry, josh, rk, ep} - Strong town
{jordan, kraska, transcend} - Town
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{mykonian, MTD, Maria} - POE not-town?? myko doesn't really make sense with any team besides Myko/MTD/Gamma/Kraska, not feeling MTD as either alignment (he's someone I prefer to read via flips, I've figured), and I liked Maria's early play but there's just a large gap between them and my townreads
{Gamma, Kyouko} - One of these is probably scum? i'm not even sure at this point
hm. i just typed up a readlist and my confidence in the gamestate just went down the drain
the only combination completely from the bottom five that makes sense is Myko/Gamma/MTD but I'm just not really feeling it with how the three of them piled onto Kyouko so quickly (kraska could probably take MTD's place but A: I think this is kraska's towngame, and B: their placement on the wagon would make even less sense tbh). For Kyouko, I only have Maria as a possible partner (yes, having more possible partners for gamma makes it seem like I *should* be voting him but his wagon is ick in comparison to Kyouko's mostly because of maria and how the wagon itself grew) so idfk??
Jordan's last few posts and his activity is making me feel a little worse about him but I still think he's town? Like for sure all it really has told me is that scum!Jordan is not partners with gamma. "reading" the last few posts and then instantly logging off (timestamp between entrance and unvote was 1 minute) just feels really weird, and the unexplained reads are just going to drive me crazy. it's definitely not partner interaction.
but the point is nothing really seems to fit and i'm wrong SOMEWHERE. top four are like undeniably town. that's all i'm really sure about. i was hoping with so many townreads i'd be able to PoE down this game D1 but like i'm fucking up??
also the stalling counterwagons at deadline gives me the heebie jeebies from like a lot of my last games. i don't know what it means (both are town or one is scum), but chances are the vanity voters are town in a scenario like this (EP 100%, jordan probably, and it's good points for Gamma but I could see him making a weird play like vanity-ing while his life is on the line as scum). i'm trying to pick two names from one wagon and one from the other (since that DID work out in both of the games i've had situations like this) but i feel like i'm aimlessly mashing together random teams and seeing what sticks...
transcend (or kraska or just someone whose judgement i trust at this point tbh but transcend is probably online) where the fuck am i going wrong?? i need a fresh perspective i'm not getting
i'd wait for flips but like i want to get into this game again?? gaughhgfi no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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because there were events that lead me to believe my original leading suspects were wrong and i'm stuck trying to figure out where I went wrong??In post 1085, mykonian wrote:take note that Giga really struggles to get any resemblance of scumreads out by page 44, takes the two leading wagons as scum, and has 2/3 talked about suspected players in his suspected pool.
like i'm pretty sure you didn't read my post but i'm only confident in my townreads this game and basically all of the games i've played recentlyi no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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dunno. i don't really see the point of paranoia as town? like in my scumgame i pretended to be paranoid because people expect it and it's a good way to not make an otherwise obviously townslot lynchable.
i guess kraska and transcend being lower than the top is paranoia from misreading them in the past?? i'm not really sure, i've just been subconsciously less sure of them being town. i used to think i was good at reading kraska but in our last game i fucked up really badly because she was obviously playing to her scumgame but i just refused to see it.
and obviously the post said nothing?? the point of posting it was "i have no idea what the fuck is happening any more can someone whose abilities i trust lend me a hand"? there's nothing to cover up about that. i need back-and-fourth with kraska and transcend about reads because sometimes that's just what i need to get a jumpstart in my reads when i'm stuck.
and my reasoning for my scumreads have been in-thread for a while now so i don't see why that post would have to have them on it??i no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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also ~~special request~~ to transcend
vig maria, i think rk is town and the third in kyouko/Maria would be jordy before rk
but i haven't exactly wrapped my mind around scum!jordyi no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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good posts from earlygame and your kyouko read makes sense in the way that i can follow how someone town would come to that read. i just disagree with it? i almost came to the same conclusion for similar reasons with my own direct interactions but given the gamestate it just didn't feel right. if u need specifics or whatever i can do that laterIn post 1189, Road Kamelot wrote:giga and kraska why do you think im town
lack of activity is nai when it's to the point of getting 3 consecutive prods and it's sitewide so my read on you hasn't transitioned at all from basically when i replaced in
kraska is trustworthyTM and sensibleGamma Emerald wrote:kraska is just weirdi no longer strictly go by they/them and honestly prefer she/her but they/them's fine if you're used to it i guess
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