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Post Post #1071 (isolation #0) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:12 am

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Thank you MOD.

Give me sometime. I ll read the game by tomorrow.
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Post Post #1079 (isolation #1) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 5:59 am

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In post 1072, MortFeld wrote:Hi ArcAngel! I think your slot has looked pretty objectively Red but I at least am very open minded and mindful of TB's noobness affecting his play. See 779 for a summary of my thoughts at that point - they've changed somewhat since then. Looking forward to you catching up tomorrow.
In post 1073, Human Sequencer wrote:Yo arcangel.
You're looking pretty red at the moment, I do hate to say.
Good luck.

Yo!
Thanks for the heads-up. :) I have to catch up first. Its always the same story. Replacements are scapegoats :P
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Post Post #1085 (isolation #2) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 6:30 am

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Done till page 5 - A Lot of newbies i can see.

I actually town read creeps. He is just a bad player not scum. That bandwagon on him was bad.
Naomi could be town too. I also town read couple other but will make decision down the road.

I have scum read on TwoFace. He looks like he is playing on everyone side.
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Post Post #1086 (isolation #3) » Sat Nov 12, 2016 6:32 am

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In post 1084, keyenpeydee wrote:
I'm tired of searching replacements. I'll give Nero Cain until tomorrow
Awww. Dont replace nero. He is a very good player but he does have a habit of flaking. He is an old friend :)
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Post Post #1306 (isolation #4) » Mon Nov 14, 2016 8:48 pm

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Gawd. I falling behind to read. I think I am at somewhere page 20. My eyes are bleeding.

I don't think creeps is scum. And I also town read Naomi.

I kind of scum read TwoFace the others seems okay, probably i have better thoughts as we go.
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Post Post #1330 (isolation #5) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:41 am

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In post 1309, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1264, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 112, ThinkBig wrote:I have a major FOS on Creeps and also on Misa. However, I don't want to put creeps at L-1, especially since Drone has yet to confirm his role.
Like this seems like the only kinda scummy post from him. As in, scum him has an FOS on both big wagons and gives himself the flexibility to join either.
I take this back. I had to really reread it but that TB Copper vote explanation really was shit. I'm not exactly sure why there's no TB/Arc wagon but lets make one.

vote:Arc
Don't start this again Nero. You will fail. I promise you love. you will. It doesn't matter if you're the mafia.

In post 1314, Human Sequencer wrote:Finally a wagon I can completely get behind.

VOTE: ArcAngel

@Nero, votes outside of votetags aren't counted by this mod.
Scum found. Good job trying to divert your wagon on me?

VOTE: Human Sequencer
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Post Post #1333 (isolation #6) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 1:18 am

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In post 1332, TwoFace wrote:Well let's solve that issue. Idk what happened to the HS wagon but it needs to happen.

VOTE: Hs

I'll catch-up today

I have my doubts on you but this point of time I support this wagon.
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Post Post #1384 (isolation #7) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:04 am

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In post 1349, Human Sequencer wrote:I feel a lot better about Kamelot. Still could be scum, but it's getting increasingly less likely.

Shadow step is still an enigma. Null read.

We really need to get a wagon together. Town is stagnating. I don't see how anybody can read TB as green and all Arc has done is try and flip a wagon back on me.
In post 1350, TwoFace wrote:i'd be ok with an arc lynch
Because you never explained your reasons behind calling me scum. And as I am relatively new and replaced into the game and you motive behind pushing my wagon doesn't seem town.

In post 1352, MortFeld wrote:It's not necessary for me to give a picture Green!TB. We'll just say that Green!TB is possible and that as Red or Green, TB was in over their head this game.

I'm definitely stuck in this nebulous world where the game looks very different after various flips but I'm not sure who is more likely to be Red.

Sure, let's do this. VOTE: Arcangel. Why HS?
For the very good reason that he is trying to get my lynched with no real case. My case is legitimate.
In post 1373, Human Sequencer wrote:Arc flipping green isn't the end of the world to me. In that situation, I just go through my not-greenreads and rank them from scummiest to least scummiest and how they interacted with the arc wagon.

Much more interesting is looking at the people on arcs wagon if she flips green, just as it would be for anybody else.
Yes indeed. It doesn't matter to you because you're scum. And for the sake of site meta. Stop referring as Green & Red. Use town and mafia/scum.
And how sure are you to indicate those who support my wagon seems least scummiest it to you? So you know for sure mafia dont want to push my wagon if i am town? See that's very contradicting of yourself
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Post Post #1385 (isolation #8) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:08 am

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Nero is dumb and he chases every bone he find on the road. That's just him. He doesn't read game, he dices and choose someone to call some to be active in the game. That's just typical Nero. No offense nero, I still love you but thats what who you're

and on the other had Twoface continues to bleed as scum, He hopping into every possible wagon he can safely land on without giving any leads. Its possible that one of both or both HS & Twoface could be scum. I have a history of identifying scum with a hunch.
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Post Post #1386 (isolation #9) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:10 am

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In post 1382, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1379, TwoFace wrote:what about Nero's lack of attempt at catching up?
I seem pretty active don'tcha think? Do you have any specific questions for me?
Yes I have a question for you love.

Why do you think I am scum. Apart from your endless desire to lynch me on the every single game we play together.
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Post Post #1388 (isolation #10) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:11 am

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In post 1382, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1379, TwoFace wrote:what about Nero's lack of attempt at catching up?
I seem pretty active don'tcha think? Do you have any specific questions for me?
And for the record, You're not active. You're just trolling as you always use to do.
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Post Post #1389 (isolation #11) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:11 am

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In post 1387, Nero Cain wrote:Who do you want to lynch Angel, twoface?
Silly question to question someone who is mafia. Isn't it?
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Post Post #1390 (isolation #12) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:12 am

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In post 1380, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1251, keyenpeydee wrote:VOTE COUNT 1.31

[L-1] Road Kamelot - ChaosOmega, Mortfeld, Naomi-Tan, Human Sequencer, Drone, Lil Uzi Vert
this is a horrible wagon just because of the player list on it.
then whats the good wagon you think, apart from mine :cool:
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Post Post #1398 (isolation #13) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:34 am

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In post 1391, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1386, ArcAngel9 wrote:Why do you think I am scum. Apart from your endless desire to lynch me on the every single game we play together.
First of all, I don't think I try to lynch you every game we've been in but my big hang up is that TBs Copper vote was funky. I mean obviously he's new and is claiming to not know how to play and sure I've seen new town say silly things so how should I go about determining if he's new that said something silly or scum that gave a bad paniky answer?


I'M MORE ACTIVE THAN YOU!!
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Being active means receiving public prods from MOD? Please don't defend yourself on this Nero. You make people laugh here. :lol:

And In hindsight, You do try to lynch me every game we play regardless of my alignment. How about you check our history on that. Believe me or not, you will be surprised to see how accurate I am. :D

TB had no content in the game in whatsoever manner and you said it yourself that he is a new player so what made you think I am scum now?

In post 1392, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1384, ArcAngel9 wrote:My case is legitimate.
I don't recall you making a case. Not sure how you can claim it's legitimate if it doesn't exsist
How about you read my post where i voted HS?
In post 1393, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1389, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 1387, Nero Cain wrote:Who do you want to lynch Angel, twoface?
Silly question to question someone who is mafia. Isn't it?
You do know that I was asking who you want to lynch....right?
Didn't you see his declaration over supporting my wagon without a lead?
In post 1394, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1385, ArcAngel9 wrote:and on the other had Twoface continues to bleed as scum, He hopping into every possible wagon he can safely land on without giving any leads.
That couldn't be farther from the truth. I've stated my 4 scum reads previously and I've pretty much stayed on my top read until I switched to my 2nd top read. There's no wagon hopping at all
In post 1395, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1388, ArcAngel9 wrote:And for the record, You're not active. You're just trolling as you always use to do.
Well you really aren't in a position to say who isand isn't active when you're slot is kind of lacking in that department
You realize that i replaced into the game after it got into 40 pages plus. How about your step into my timezone and see how it works for you including a 10 hours shift job every day and a travel over the weekend?
In post 1397, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1394, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1385, ArcAngel9 wrote:and on the other had Twoface continues to bleed as scum, He hopping into every possible wagon he can safely land on without giving any leads.
That couldn't be farther from the truth. I've stated my 4 scum reads previously and I've pretty much stayed on my top read until I switched to my 2nd top read. There's no wagon hopping at all
I've only voted twice all game excluding my rvs so please I'd love to see how you explain this obvious lie
Again, what is your lead to support my wagon? I would love to hear your case. Now you're starting to react because I am calling you scum. why so defensive?
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Post Post #1403 (isolation #14) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:48 am

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In post 1400, Nero Cain wrote:
In post 1398, ArcAngel9 wrote:Being active means receiving public prods from MOD?
I WAS SICK!
so you can't point finger at me. We all have reason right? Now stop and relax and see my point if you can and if you're town.
In post 1401, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1398, ArcAngel9 wrote:You realize that i replaced into the game after it got into 40 pages plus. How about your step into my timezone and see how it works for you including a 10 hours shift job every day and a travel over the weekend?
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See, this is what I am talking about. You're not helping. And you're supporting my scum read on you.

I dont see a town motive behind this post. Town justifies and mafia troll like this. Now you should be worried that your team is going to dislike you.
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Post Post #1405 (isolation #15) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:51 am

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In post 1402, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1398, ArcAngel9 wrote:Again, what is your lead to support my wagon? I would love to hear your case. Now you're starting to react because I am calling you scum. why so defensive?
You're slot did shit
You've done shit

I don't care who calls me scum, certainly not a lurk fuck like you

I defend myself when people lie about me. I do this as either alignment. Wish more players would do that. I also wish people stop throwing around the defensive accusation like it actually means something. It's been disproven a bazillion times.

How about we try this in a nicer way, I would like a reasonable explanation for your scum read on me instead of throwing abuses around to overpower this conversation?
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Post Post #1406 (isolation #16) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 11:52 am

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In post 1404, Nero Cain wrote:you do know that I'm not blaming you or anything for being inactive or anything. Like I know your deal.
then why do you think I am scum. TB bad respond is not enough to indicate that he is scum. And I replaced into this slot and I am trying to do better than him if not the best. Isn't that enough to see it different?
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Post Post #1412 (isolation #17) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:03 pm

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In post 1407, MortFeld wrote:Interjecting to say that posts like that are just TF. Thought he was toning it down after he almost got PLd but I guess not.
I am not up for PL but i don't like people use their BIG mouth to overpower in game. It's indicates lack of maturity and inability to give up their ego. He can continue to rant, I prefer mod to take care of such incidents.
In post 1408, TwoFace wrote:I don't care if you scum read me. If you think me posting images makes me scummy I can just ignore you cause that's stupid.
There's no motivation for posting that pic, but there isn't any scum motivation either. There is humor motivation. That image made me laugh and fit perfectly

There's no town motivation for you making excuses for your activity. I'm personally annoyed at Nero also but at least he had a good excuse. You're excuse is shit.
Now you're trying to twist my case. I didn't scum read you because you were trolling with pictures. I scum read for your lack of reason to call me scum.
Your motive of human doesn't help the game. Humor suppose to help others laugh not by yourself, it's not humor, its your attempt to shadow your emotion of failure.
In post 1409, Nero Cain wrote:The day is young Angel. I may or may not want to lynch you so we'll see where things go and what happens.
You can lynch me but do come up with the valid points. So who else you think are scum? Don't point to someone like creeps, I am sure mafia is just more than one player in the game.
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Post Post #1416 (isolation #18) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:15 pm

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In post 1410, Nero Cain wrote:Angel has and always will be "lurky". Ita NAI.
Do i lurky now? I lurk when i am busy. You should know my style by now.
In post 1411, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1405, ArcAngel9 wrote:How about we try this in a nicer way, I would like a reasonable explanation for your scum read on me instead of throwing abuses around to overpower this conversation?
I was sort of town reading your slot earlier on. He stopped contributing and replaced out when he was under pressure. It sort of looked weird to me. You replaced in and have done nothing useful so far. I know you are a more capable player so I wouldn't object to you're lynch.

Funny you accuse me of being defensive but I haven't even voted you and you're getting defensive. You aren't my preferred lynch but I'm ok with you're lynch cause your slot hasn't been productive and doesn't look town.

If you're town, you've got time to try and change my opinion.
Not everyone who gets replaced after being pressurized is scum. Your read is not relevant.
New players usually can't handle pressure well and they end up leaving the slot at a bad phase. It's the same old story of almost every flaked player slots. So you're point is that I am the only player who was not useful in the game? How about You wait until i change that? Yes, I am very capable of hunting scum on my own, you can refer my previous game on wiki page to understand my style of playing. I dont ever give up to scum when I am town and today is certainly not that day.

I accuse you because you didn't have a reason to support my wagon. Ask yourself this, You think i am scum because i was unproductive and what if i become productive, will it change my alignment? Is that a good logic? You scum hunt by analyzing players motive and understand how perceptions are being developed through wrong reasons. Someone being unproductive doesn't make them scum.
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Post Post #1417 (isolation #19) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:19 pm

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In post 1414, TwoFace wrote:Arc. Saying I'm ok with your lynch =/= calling you scum.
You tell me. Do we support a wagon if we think they are town?
In post 1415, TwoFace wrote:List mod was right. You guys are too sensitive. You would hate playing on the sites I played. Snark is fun in the right environment. This game obviously isn't
You must understand that mafiascum.net has players across Globe, we all grew up under various cultural heritages and our approaches are different.

So we must try to stay on site meta, the culture that's fits to the community. You can't expect people to accept you because you come from a different background. How about your read a bit about Adaptability? It will help you understand better.
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Post Post #1420 (isolation #20) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:23 pm

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In post 1418, TwoFace wrote:Thanks for the advice on how to play that I didn't ask for. At this point if my preferred wagons fall through I'm still ok with your lynch
It's not advice. I am politely requesting you to be nice.
It's hard to change someone's mind after their ego being played. Good luck with that.

How about your focus on scum hunting than clinging on to your neverending support to my wagon?
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Post Post #1421 (isolation #21) » Tue Nov 15, 2016 12:24 pm

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In post 1419, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1417, ArcAngel9 wrote:You tell me. Do we support a wagon if we think they are town?
Idk what you do. I don't support wagons I think are town.
And you think people who are not productive are scum? and the others are town?
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Post Post #1481 (isolation #22) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:16 am

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In post 1422, Toto wrote:I like Arc more than I liked TB to be honest. But maybe that's just because they don't like HS.

Arc, can you summarize your case for TwoFace? Why are you scum reading him? do you have any townreads?
Did you try ISO me? I have been pointing my finger at him since my initial catch up post. Although my initial reads were not strong but the way he has created options to hop into my wagon seems suspicious. I could be wrong but the way he wanted to dominate the argument verbally seems unfair but am glad it has happened because i do see his aggression genuine but at this moment, I am two minds about his slot.

In post 1424, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1420, ArcAngel9 wrote:How about your focus on scum hunting than clinging on to your neverending support to my wagon?
I'm not clinging to anything. We were having a conversation. I'll gladly end it if you don't want to conversation anymore. Conversations are useful.

Bye Felicia.
Wrong. I want conversation that doesn't include abuses and insults. Let's have a scum hunting conversation instead. I am up for it.
In post 1425, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1421, ArcAngel9 wrote:And you think people who are not productive are scum? and the others are town?
My read on you is null. You aren't helping me read you better because of you're lack of content. If a null read gets lynched, I'm ok with that though it's not my preferred. But I'm voting my preferred.

Can we go back to how I was supposedly hopping on wagons when I've only voted 2 people. That's a blatant misrep.
I never you said you're voting, i was referring to your options to hop on to various wagons seems scummy.
In post 1427, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:I don't like the Arc wagon. No one has provided a case for her other than she's not doing anything but she stated she's on page 20 and is still struggling to catch-up. With that being said, I haven't seen anything that has made me say "she's town, don't lynch her" but I do like her little spat with Nero and her description of how he is seems accurate so far. Hate her thoughts on TF's but I don't think she intentionally lied about how she believes he's bleeding scum, seems more like frustration and a misunderstanding. I'd wish she'd just shut up and finish catching up though as it's confusing as to why she's defending herself from people voting for her mainly from her predecessors play.

I want to see her thoughts on everyone not HS, Nero, RK, and TF before going forward with her and some attempts to actual scum hunt. If I don't see either of the two by tomorrow evening, I'm willing to compensate.
I am well aware that i missed a part of game that i am yet to cover. And I dont want people to misinterpret that i am lurking so i decided to roll myself in the current game and go back if necessary or when i get enough time to review the game. So who else you're willing to compesate to lynch apart from me?
In post 1440, Human Sequencer wrote:
In post 1426, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 1314, Human Sequencer wrote:Finally a wagon I can completely get behind.

VOTE: ArcAngel

@Nero, votes outside of votetags aren't counted by this mod.
This reads so opportunistic and I'm struggling to see your side here because you're still using your thoughts on TB in order to try lynch Arc, which makes no sense and doesn't feel like town play to me.
In newbie 1744 we used this to literally lynch scum. We got two scum back to back after losing both PRs day 1.
I understand why you carry the perspective you do, but you should try to understand mine too. I think there's a lot of value in evaluating the actions of that slot's predecessor.
There's also no way this was 'opportunistic' because I've stated about twenty gorrilion times I want to lynch TB's slot.
In post 1426, Lil Uzi Vert wrote:
In post 1374, Human Sequencer wrote:Mort, I believe in you and your ability to find the scum after I flip or after Road flips or etc, but I don't believe in your ability to convince the rest of town or survive through the nightkills even if you get on the right tack.
This post reads off to me. Mainly the last part, it's like you know Mort is on the wrong path or is going to be killed during the night.
I literally can't say anything in this game. I've got like eight crosshairs reading everything I say as if I'm confScum.
If I'm lynched today -please- remember those read posts I made earlier.
I buy your case but do you know that TB is a newbie and a very bad player. How you dont want to give a benefit of doubt on that seems you dont want to purse scum hunting on my case instead you made up your mind on the slot which makes me feel that you probably scum
In post 1446, Human Sequencer wrote:I will admit my TF green lens is weakening, but I need more time to formulate that.
Especially if arc is green.
If arc is green I'll be confused but I'll probably be on Twoface's tail.
why do you read TF as scum now? Can you summarize it in a better format?
In post 1451, Human Sequencer wrote:I still stand by what I said about TB. I think it's very relevant to interpreting her slot.

Arc is really abrasive and forward. I'm still sorting out how I interpret her, but I feel like her suddenly trying to flip a wagon against me, an easy target, isn't a good sign. Her claiming I had no lead or reasoning isn't legitimate, because I've put forward my thoughts on TB many times.
>inb4 people complain because I'm sring arc based on TB again
That's how I interpret the slot. I understand you interpret it differently.

Arc is a lot greener than TB though. The read is weakening. Which is bad because now I don't have any scum slots I'd really be willing to lynch, and I'm worried it might stay like that before day ends.
I'm gonna iso Drone and Wobbs soon to get a better perspective on them.

PS Arc, I don't mean to offend you in any way, I'm just playing the game.

PSS Twoface, nice reddit-tier meme! You really outmemed her! You must be a meme master!
No offense taken, I am a practical person and understand other views. I voted you because scum always find easy way to hop on, i dont know if this is your general play style or immpractical method to scum hunt but i see it very scummy. I hope you get my point of view on you.

In post 1460, Drone wrote:
In post 1455, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1442, Drone wrote:783
Should have caused you to unvote.
Who was this directed at and why would that cause somebody to unvote?
Soft claiming a pr should at LEAST get votes off, questioning is the answer to deal with that.
The boy is scum guys.

And for Uzi:
I don't know if TF is scum, I'm not reading him well due to his nature. Either way, a TF lynch is best lynch.
I'm all in to that.
Who has softclaimed, I am bit confused. TF claimed a PR? Why?
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Post Post #1482 (isolation #23) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:16 am

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VOTE: Unvote
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Post Post #1485 (isolation #24) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:22 am

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In post 1477, Drone wrote:Would it help you understand that I don't even read your posts? I'm just taking a taste of the, seeing they're worthless and continue.
Honestly? You got to the level I no longer fucking care if you're a pr.
A pr in your hands is like having an extra scum.
You're bad, you've got attitude problems, you can't work posts into something understandable, or control your goddamn choice of words.

We're lynching him today, or I replace out.
Replacing out doesn't help town. if you're town don't make hasty decisions.
In post 1476, TwoFace wrote:why do you think you defending drone has anything to do with anything?

scum motivation for defending drone if he is town - buddying/white knighing
scum motivation for defending drone if he is scum - want to protect your scum buddy.

like why do you ask a silly question? (I self edited myself here, ya'll would be really proud of me)

you defending drone the last page has absolutely no effect on my existing scum read on you.
Drone also defending me, I am bit confused here. you think HS is scum is because he is buddying up with Drone or Drone scum because he is defending people out of his way. He was defending me too. I see your point that scum would love to defend town to gain brownie points but you need to be lot clearer than this.
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Post Post #1487 (isolation #25) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:24 am

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In post 1484, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1481, ArcAngel9 wrote:Wrong. I want conversation that doesn't include abuses and insults
and I want a conversation that doesn't include lies/misreps yet that's what you did.

sorry if I used too colorful language with you, I keep forgetting I am not in kansas anymore.
I am not worried about your fashionable abuses. I am still concerned about your style of scum hunting.

Lies. Seriously? Time and again i am repeating that what i meant was the options you kept to hop my wagon was scummy. Please stop misunderstanding my actions.
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Post Post #1488 (isolation #26) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:24 am

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In post 1486, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1481, ArcAngel9 wrote:I never you said you're voting, i was referring to your options to hop on to various wagons seems scummy.
yeah that still isn't true.
You're being stubborn. That's all i can say.
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Post Post #1492 (isolation #27) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:31 am

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In post 1489, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1485, ArcAngel9 wrote:Drone also defending me, I am bit confused here. you think HS is scum is because he is buddying up with Drone or Drone scum because he is defending people out of his way. He was defending me too. I see your point that scum would love to defend town to gain brownie points but you need to be lot clearer than this.
As I said in the post you just quoted, I don't think HS defending drone has anything to do with my already existing scum read on him.
Can you help me see your real case on HS. I would love to refer that. Sorry if i am sounding like a lazy person but i am doing this for different reasons.
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Post Post #1496 (isolation #28) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:35 am

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In post 1491, Human Sequencer wrote:'I buy your case but do you know that TB is a newbie and a very bad player. How you dont want to give a benefit of doubt on that seems you dont want to purse scum hunting on my case instead you made up your mind on the slot which makes me feel that you probably scum'
Well, I hadn't already made up my mind on the slot, because as I said recently, I'm starting to view you as less scummy the more you post.
Beyond that, I really do think that TB's actions were more likely to come from new scum instead of new town. I've said this about 4^99 times now.

'I voted you because scum always find easy way to hop on, i dont know if this is your general play style or immpractical method to scum hunt but i see it very scummy. I hope you get my point of view on you.'
This wasn't just an 'easy way to hop on' though. I was ready for this wagon for a very long time. I've stated my detailed case on TB twice now, once from before I voted.

'why do you read TF as scum now? Can you summarize it in a better format?'
I don't read TF as scum now, my interpretation has gone from 'obvTown' to 'maybeTown'.

TF has pretty much claimed vig at this point and claims he'll shoot Wobbs or maybe me tonight because he's immaturely pissed off and bitter about an argument he had with copper, the person who was in that slot previously.

It's worth noting that if we get one one kill tonight, TF is then very very suspicious, and only a few fringe doctor cases or other niche stuff like that could save him from definitely being scum.
I think you kind of mixed up here a bit. But i can read your points.

I am not liking the TF vig claim. Is this real? TF - Why did you claim on day 1. Any specific reason?
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Post Post #1498 (isolation #29) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:39 am

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In post 1495, Human Sequencer wrote:He'll just call you lazy and complain a bunch. Here.
Spoiler:
In post 690, TwoFace wrote:ok so I voted Copper because I agreed with Mort that this post was bad - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 4#p8478254

I explain why i think it is bad here - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p8480817

Here is more explanation from me why I had an issue with his post - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 9#p8481099

He looks worse when he falsely accuses me of being flip floppy yet the 2 posts he quotes are me basically saying the same thing.- http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p8481161

This post is really bad because he misreps the reason why I am voting him. yes I disagree with his definition of lynchbait, but it isn't his definition of lynchbait why I think he is scum, it's the fact that he said he would unvote when he got to l-1. As i explain in a post with mort later in the day, if he is actually concerned with the way the wagon is progressing why wait until L-1? why not unvote now. A townie who is uneasy imo would unvote.

argument ensues, his arguments fall flat and don't help change my opinion of him at all.

here is more from me why copper is scum to me -http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 0#p8483290

posts 383/383 contain me restating why I think he is scum, which again proves I haven't refused to do anything like scum copper replacement has accused me of

387 - me explaining how copper basically tried to twist my posts

Here is the conversation with Mort. Starts here - http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 3#p8486133 and ends at the end of the page.


So in a nutshell i think he is scum because

1. I felt like his reaction to creepy being L-2 didn't make sense. If he was genuinely concerned he would have unvoted, not say he is keeping his vote but will unvote at L-1
2. He attempted to misrep me by saying my posts about him said 2 different things when they clearly didn't. Even when I point them out and show they say the exact same thing, he refuses to admit his mistake. I may be naive but I am of the belief that scum is less likely to admit their mistakes, town should have no problems admitting theirs.
3. The fact that he jumped on TB after TB voted him and went and lied about his activity. There is no evidence that supports Copper's claim and evidence that proves his claim was not true.

I just don't see a town player doing these things so this is why I think he is scum.


and since I am doing it, My scum read on HS is kind of harder to explain. What pinged me first was the weird drone comment. Drone hadn't even posted and he was asking drone if he agreed with him or something like that. Later HS claims he saw the mod post that drone had confirmed but somehow missed that he was on V/LA which I think is unlikely especially when HS said he wasn't skimming. Even if he were skimming, I doubt he would miss that but when HS said he wasn't skimming I just don't see how he misses it. The fact that he avoided my question about copper lying about TB and now actually sides with Copper about TB when the facts prove them both wrong, just points to scum to me.

I think Drone is scum only if HS is scum. Outside of that I don't have a read on drone

Misa - is scummy to me for the fake outrage post she made, her replacing out doesn't bode well but I don't have enough to lynch her which is why I am not trying to atm

Those are my reads, like them or not they are what they are.

ya'll want to policy lynch me for trying to lynch scum, go right ahead but i haven't done shit wrong except maybe be a little abrasive. Who cares. I am active, I am providing reads, I am scum hunting, and I am providing reasons for my reads. AKA PLAYING THE FUCKING GAME
Ummm... I am confused on his reads right now but i still dont buy his logic on calling Drone scum only if HS is scum, the argument doesn't stand well.

I waiting for his answer on why he claim VIG on day1
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Post Post #1502 (isolation #30) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:44 am

Post by ArcAngel9 »

In post 1490, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1488, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 1486, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1481, ArcAngel9 wrote:I never you said you're voting, i was referring to your options to hop on to various wagons seems scummy.
yeah that still isn't true.
You're being stubborn. That's all i can say.
yes I can be stubborn but that doesn't change what you said.

can you please point out which various wagons you are referring to? Help me understand your pov cause from my perspective it looks like a lie
since you asked. Here you go.

Spoiler:
In post 202, TwoFace wrote:Oh yeah that's bad. The over explanation about scum being can be lynch baity makes it bad. Scum can't be lynch bait

This needs a flip. Should I vote?

Heads

VOTE: copper
In post 1332, TwoFace wrote:Well let's solve that issue. Idk what happened to the HS wagon but it needs to happen.

VOTE: Hs

I'll catch-up today
In post 1350, TwoFace wrote:i'd be ok with an arc lynch
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Post Post #1503 (isolation #31) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:46 am

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In post 1500, TwoFace wrote:This is what I posted way back. Granted it isn't the best case but my read on him was more based off gut. My points about copper were much better and everyone ignored them which is why I don't like doing cases. Nobody reads them and those who do just write them off or ignore them.
In post 690, TwoFace wrote:and since I am doing it, My scum read on HS is kind of harder to explain. What pinged me first was the weird drone comment. Drone hadn't even posted and he was asking drone if he agreed with him or something like that. Later HS claims he saw the mod post that drone had confirmed but somehow missed that he was on V/LA which I think is unlikely especially when HS said he wasn't skimming. Even if he were skimming, I doubt he would miss that but when HS said he wasn't skimming I just don't see how he misses it. The fact that he avoided my question about copper lying about TB and now actually sides with Copper about TB when the facts prove them both wrong, just points to scum to me.
The fact that I had to be forced to make a case, something I am fundamentally against doing has kind of turned me off of the game. The fact that people tried to force replace me for some unknown reason and needed list mod intervention has also turned me off on the game.

If you note things went down hill when wobuffet replaced in and decided not to read the game and instead falsely accuse me of refusing to explain myself. so yeah i'm shooting him tonight and ya'll can lynch me tomorrow.
Why did you claim VIG? Explain that to me please.
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Post Post #1510 (isolation #32) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 4:58 am

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In post 1505, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1496, ArcAngel9 wrote:I am not liking the TF vig claim. Is this real? TF - Why did you claim on day 1. Any specific reason?
I actually never claimed vig. I did ask to be left alive until day 2 and HS took that as a vig claim and even asked me if i was a vig to which I called him out for role fising. If he was town, there was no need to out my soft claim.

do you want to know what he did after that? he voted me. yet another reason why I think he is scum. I soft claimed vig and he proceeded to put me to L-2

i don't see town motivation in those actions. he also joined my PL wagon despite town reading me. yet another reason i can't see how he is town.


right or wrong here, HS play resembles scum much more than it resembles town from my pov. ya'll can disagree with me if you want but don't think anyone can change my mind.
I am now seeing better of you but your case on HS is wrong. Let me know help you understand my point of view on this.

Soft claim is also anti-town, It's not like you're on L-1 to ask people to leave you alone until day 2, I would understand if you had soft claimed at the verge of getting lynched but your wagon was never at edge, so why are you being impulsive about it?

I see HS reaction is legitimate for your claim. I would have reacted in the same way or the other. If you're not VIG then why were you indicating that you would shoot HS on night 1

Scum wouldn't let you get lynched on day 1 because they knew that you would likely hit town than scum given the ratio.

Now I see you and HS fights may be town vs town. And both of you letting the scum team get a free pass on the day 1
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Post Post #1511 (isolation #33) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:00 am

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In post 1504, ChaosOmega wrote:Maybe I'm just tunnel-visioned at this point, but why aren't we lynching Road?

Bring up their ISO and read through it. I see pushes on 3 players: Toto, Mort, and Drone.

I guess you think Toto is scummy, but the only thing there is a naked vote you put on the slot, and then you moved it away without ever once explaining any of your read on Toto. Can you go more into that read you had at the time, and if there's been any change since your unvote?

Their other push earlier was on Mort, and it reads very ticky-tack. 1133 is the start of it, and it's super vague. "due to your way of things"...what the fuck does that mean? Their example seems to be scumreading Mort because he scumread her and views her actions in a negative light? So, a veiled OMGUS?

The case where she votes Mort isn't better. Mort sums it up pretty well in 1154. No more posts from Road until 1266, where it's full of AtE and backing away from their only real push this game without establishing any new reads or questioning other players to get new reads.

In 1276, she pivots over to Drone. I'm ok with this push. Drone's jump onto the Road wagon looked pretty lousy.

People I'm ok with lynching today:
Road
Wobbuffet
ArcAngel
Drone
So why not push Road lynch if you have a decent read? and Whats your scum read on me and Drone? please be more specific about your other lynch options
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Post Post #1512 (isolation #34) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:02 am

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In post 1507, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1498, ArcAngel9 wrote:but i still dont buy his logic on calling Drone scum only if HS is scum, the argument doesn't stand well.
that's not why I am pushing Drone. But if HS flips scum, you have to admit that makes that earlier interaction weird and more likely to mean they are partnered.
Let me put this in another way, if Drone flips scum, I don't think HS is scum. Isn't that a possibility?
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Post Post #1517 (isolation #35) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:16 am

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In post 1513, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1510, ArcAngel9 wrote:I am now seeing better of you but your case on HS is wrong. Let me know help you understand my point of view on this.

Soft claim is also anti-town, It's not like you're on L-1 to ask people to leave you alone until day 2, I would understand if you had soft claimed at the verge of getting lynched but your wagon was never at edge, so why are you being impulsive about it?

I see HS reaction is legitimate for your claim. I would have reacted in the same way or the other. If you're not VIG then why were you indicating that you would shoot HS on night 1

Scum wouldn't let you get lynched on day 1 because they knew that you would likely hit town than scum given the ratio.

Now I see you and HS fights may be town vs town. And both of you letting the scum team get a free pass on the day 1
1. my case isn't wrong
2. soft claim isn't anti-town when there is momentum towards you getting lynched and there was plenty of momentum since I got to L-2. You don't claim vig at L-1 cause scum will quick hammer that shit, shit so will dumb ass townies who don't believe you. Vig is a dumb fake claim anyway
3. HS's reaction was terrible if he is town, which is why i don't think he is town.
How you see things could be different to others. you have to give benefit of doubt on that. Don't be stubborn about this.
Soft claim on Day 1 is anti-town, I am saying this out of my experience. Vig is not dumb fake claim, Scum would never quick hammer ever not definitely on day. And people day quick lynch or PL those who soft claim on day 1. you can't expect to people to think in your way.

HS may be probably town. We have more 4 more days. I urge you to focus on your other reads, If HS is scum, he won't escape the obvious fate. We are not letting the mafia win this game. So focus on the other reads

I want to hear thoughts on Road, todd, Shadow & Chaos. Ever since I am active i didn't hear much from them.

I am not going to push HS wagon at this moment and neither yours but your unwillingness to change mind on HS is not helping at all.
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Post Post #1519 (isolation #36) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:17 am

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In post 1514, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1512, ArcAngel9 wrote:Let me put this in another way, if Drone flips scum, I don't think HS is scum. Isn't that a possibility?
probably not but drone doesn't seem to be getting lynched today. HS is more likely to be lynched, so I don't really see the point in asking this
If HS flips town, what do you think about the game ?
And if your claim is your true, who do you want to shoot tonight?
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Post Post #1521 (isolation #37) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:20 am

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In post 1515, Human Sequencer wrote:If you're claiming to get the heat off you, you claim 'I'm vig, stop voting me'.
HS, Will you try shift your focus on other players apart form TF? If not TF who is that you would like to lynch today. I am presuming that I am not in your scum radar at this moment. What about others? and Is your read on Drone is strong town read or you like him because he constantly defends people for good reasons?
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Post Post #1523 (isolation #38) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:21 am

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In post 1518, TwoFace wrote:a PR only claims when they absolutely have to aka when they are at L-1 and somebody is declaring to hammer. Some people will claim as soon as they get to L-1

no smart player comes out and full claims their role when they are at L-3.

Are you indicating that you're not a smart player, Why asking people to spare you on day 1? You could have choose to come with a stronger defense other than a soft claim. Isn't it?
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Post Post #1526 (isolation #39) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:25 am

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In post 1522, TwoFace wrote:I think road is probably town by the number of bad people on his wagon
Chaos is the one player I have toyed with shooting if I were going to shoot based off policy. He has been useless all game. Him complaining about a comment i made to another player was very petty and his hop on me not town motivated in anyway.
IDK who Todd is
Shadow - he seems more interested in distracting town with theory discussions aka hypocopping instead of actually scum hunting.
I read creeps slot town for his inability to convince town during early game, and i see shadow is just following his foot steps.

I am waiting for Chaos to come with reasons for lynch pool. He only showcased his reasons against Road and happily gave a whole list of lynch pool without reason. I recommend that we should shift our focus on him. I am bit surprised on his playstyle, he is a very experienced player and usually play better than this.

Chaos - do you have something to add in your defense?
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Post Post #1528 (isolation #40) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:27 am

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In post 1524, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1519, ArcAngel9 wrote:If HS flips town, what do you think about the game ?
And if your claim is your true, who do you want to shoot tonight?
if HS flips town, I think I may vig shoot myself :lol:

no seriously I will hate this game even more and I already hate it a lot

who I want to shoot tonight is wobbuffet.

who i actually will shoot is completely different, if I even shoot at all.

If we mislynch common sense says don't shoot. I may act like an idiot sometimes but I am actually not an idiot.
Now you being silly. Jokes apart, you really can't shoot yourself. You also scum read Wobbuffet, why not push his wagon and shoot someone else during night
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Post Post #1532 (isolation #41) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:30 am

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In post 1527, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1520, Human Sequencer wrote:That's exactly what you fucking did. How else are you supposed to interpret that post.
I never claimed vig. You did that for me.

All I did was ask to be left alive until day 2 which is why any town PR would want when they are getting run up.
I am against both of you trying to rip each other apart in the game. I am having a strong hunch that both of you could be town, I see your motives are strong none of you being manipulative. This is what rage townies do it each other, so be smarter and better and shift your focus to someone else for a change and see if it changes the way game is moving on.
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Post Post #1535 (isolation #42) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:32 am

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In post 1529, Human Sequencer wrote:
In post 1521, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 1515, Human Sequencer wrote:If you're claiming to get the heat off you, you claim 'I'm vig, stop voting me'.
HS, Will you try shift your focus on other players apart form TF? If not TF who is that you would like to lynch today. I am presuming that I am not in your scum radar at this moment. What about others? and Is your read on Drone is strong town read or you like him because he constantly defends people for good reasons?
Like I said a little earlier, I'm not really confident in any scumreads anymore. I have a lot of townreads though.
Mort is a strong townread.
Uzi is a strong townread.
Twoface is a townread.
Naomi is a townread.
Shadow is a townread.

I made that comment about Drone because regardless of if he's scum or town, he's actually thinking the game through and trying to participate. I'm not sure about his alignment. Null. I've got a lot of nulls that I could easily be convinced over to lynching.

The fact that everybody who has been posting more comes out as more and more town makes me suspicious that your assumption was correct in us giving scum an easy D1, and that they're probably just hiding back somewhere.
Where do Chaos fit in your reads? I am having my doubts on him.
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Post Post #1539 (isolation #43) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:38 am

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In post 1533, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1523, ArcAngel9 wrote:Are you indicating that you're not a smart player, Why asking people to spare you on day 1? You could have choose to come with a stronger defense other than a soft claim. Isn't it?
how so you defend yourself from "Let's policy lynch twoface"?

613Policy lynch
616Policy lynch
621Policy lynch
624I don't like wagoning green players but... aka Policy lynch
ME: Hey guys, leave me alive until day 2
HS - OH SHIT HE's claiming vig. TF are you claiming vig?
672Policy lynch
Scum usually don't push Policy Lynch button except when they know how to play their cards very well. Look, I see your point and i have been myself a victim of being policy lynch for a very long time. Any old players in the site would empathize me on this.

Policy lynch is usually recommend by a lot of town players to remove the players that don't help the game or on the players who they know would troll the game which is why ms.net has WOTC to avoid such players in games. And some wannabe pro-town players play around with policy lynch to get the game move forward from day 1 because everybody hates day 1. Day 1 is bad and they usually go long and they test patience when they go for weeks like this one.
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Post Post #1542 (isolation #44) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:41 am

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In post 1538, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1531, Human Sequencer wrote:
In post 647, TwoFace wrote:yeah scum want me gone today so good idea to lynch me before I can take one of them out
I forgot all about that post :lol:

ok so I soft claimed vig, there was still no motivation for you as town to draw attention to it like you did
I am repeating this again, His reaction is not bad. I see his point and its time you accept that and help him to understand your frustration too.
In post 1537, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1528, ArcAngel9 wrote:why not push his wagon
I have already tried a bunch of times to get people to vote him. I even pointed the lies he made since replacing in.

no traction what so ever, like car with 4 bald tires trying to drive up a mountain during an ice storm
Try harder is what i could recommend. I am here to listen, if you have legitimate case and convince others, I am sure you can drag it to right direction
In post 1536, Human Sequencer wrote:No content=no read.
I think his post on Kamelot is reasonable, even if I don't agree with it.
I would like to hear more of his opinions on everybody.
how about we try motivate him to give some reads.

VOTE: Chaos
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Post Post #1543 (isolation #45) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:42 am

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In post 1541, Human Sequencer wrote:I have infinite time.
No you don't and we don't either. Day 1 ends in 4 days.
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Post Post #1546 (isolation #46) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:47 am

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Okay. I am liking this. Need more motivation here. :]
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Post Post #1547 (isolation #47) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:48 am

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In post 1545, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1541, Human Sequencer wrote:I have infinite time.
1525 says otherwise

4 days left and you are the leading vote getter. If you were town you should be more concerned with trying to find and lynch scum.

why are people town reading this guy? seriously
Because he is also as stubborn as you. Give him room to breathe. He might help the game.
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Post Post #1549 (isolation #48) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:49 am

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More motivation on Chaos please.
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Post Post #1551 (isolation #49) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:52 am

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In post 1550, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1542, ArcAngel9 wrote:Try harder is what i could recommend. I am here to listen, if you have legitimate case and convince others, I am sure you can drag it to right direction
I have posted a link to my case on copper already. The case that I quoted on HS was from that post actually and HS has linked to that case on copper.

since then wobbuffet replaced in and essentially chose to not read the game. He asked me for my reasons on his slot and I told him he should read the game and he would find them.


he twisted that into me somehow refusing to explain my scum read (which can't possibly be true if I had already done it)
he claimed my reasons were vague - (which can't possibly be true if multiple conversations and arguments took place about those reasons)
He then claimed that I was trying to lynch mort (which absolutely isn't true because I never voted him once, and never even said I would consider voting him)

he has also done absolutely nothing useful. I do not see him attempting to scum hunt.
Point taken, We can park him into the lynch pool and I am with you on this. Lets wait what he has to say about this.

your thoughts on Chaos? I want answers from this man.
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Post Post #1552 (isolation #50) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:54 am

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In post 1550, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1542, ArcAngel9 wrote:Try harder is what i could recommend. I am here to listen, if you have legitimate case and convince others, I am sure you can drag it to right direction
I have posted a link to my case on copper already. The case that I quoted on HS was from that post actually and HS has linked to that case on copper.

since then wobbuffet replaced in and essentially chose to not read the game. He asked me for my reasons on his slot and I told him he should read the game and he would find them.


he twisted that into me somehow refusing to explain my scum read (which can't possibly be true if I had already done it)
he claimed my reasons were vague - (which can't possibly be true if multiple conversations and arguments took place about those reasons)
He then claimed that I was trying to lynch mort (which absolutely isn't true because I never voted him once, and never even said I would consider voting him)

he has also done absolutely nothing useful. I do not see him attempting to scum hunt.
Point taken, We can park him into the lynch pool and I am with you on this. Lets wait what he has to say about this.

your thoughts on Chaos? I want answers from this man.
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Post Post #1553 (isolation #51) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:54 am

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Sorry for the double most. Please remove it if you can.
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Post Post #1555 (isolation #52) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 5:57 am

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In post 1554, TwoFace wrote:chaos is nothing. I can't remember anything of value from him.

his petty complaint to the mod and his policy lynch vote on me is the only thing I remember from him
You don't find his play suspicious than cooper slot?
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Post Post #1558 (isolation #53) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:06 am

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HS wagon has to DIE!!!!


Can we get this game moving please
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Post Post #1559 (isolation #54) » Wed Nov 16, 2016 6:10 am

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In post 1557, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1555, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 1554, TwoFace wrote:chaos is nothing. I can't remember anything of value from him.

his petty complaint to the mod and his policy lynch vote on me is the only thing I remember from him
You don't find his play suspicious than cooper slot?
His play is suspicious for sure. I hate lurkers. But there's not much to point to. I felt I had actual reasons for copper
Not reading the game isn't a scum tell. He could be a lousy town player. When you don't have much choice you need to swing on to other possiblites. And on the other hand, Chaos has not done anything better than cooper and he more experienced than anyone here and I expect him either have good reasons to lurk or intentionally avoiding the game because he is scum. I understand you have good reasons on Cooper slot but think about his play style, he is as noob as any other new player.
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Post Post #1652 (isolation #55) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 6:13 am

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In post 1649, MortFeld wrote:If HS is town, then Drone and Road are likely town.

Does the reading of Arc+HS+TF only make sense if Arc is protecting HS? Like, I think scum!Arc could still have been trying to work on two townies.

I don't see why Chaos looks so bad from 1582. Like, you did react pretty much the way he described and it looks bad. Obviously if you're lynched and flip town that's a place we can look.

I don't really feel like seeing HS hammered here when Arc and Nero are still absent.

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i am not absent, I live in a different country and a complete different timezone and i have a day job. I usually catch up after my dinner.
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Post Post #1655 (isolation #56) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:22 pm

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In post 1653, MortFeld wrote:Can someone explain why I'm at a loss if HS is town? My scum pool is like 7 people. Is this just because of the replacements or is there another reason this game feels so bad?

Pedit: you literally were absent, at the time HS was at L-1 you hadn't posted in a while/responded to Toto's condensed question. The word absent does not have negative connotations, unlike the word lurking which I didn't use.
Didn't you read my previous post. I am busy. I wasn't around when HS was at L1 and even he is at L1 now, I wont hammer it because I no longer feel he is scum. Follow my conversations with HS & TF. I see things differently after long talk with them.
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Post Post #1656 (isolation #57) » Thu Nov 17, 2016 1:24 pm

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And that frustration self vote seems like, he is more town.

We aren't lynching HS today.
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Post Post #1708 (isolation #58) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 6:56 am

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In post 1659, MortFeld wrote:
In post 1655, ArcAngel9 wrote:Follow my conversations with HS & TF. I see things differently after long talk with them.
How exactly did this happen? What changed from the time you SRd both of them to the time you TRd both of them?
Please feel free to read my conversations with HS & TF once again. See my how read has changed over the time.

Yes, I agree that i scum read the HS slot with the way he read me as scum for TB's poor play, i found him to be opportunist to get m lynched which looked scum play to me but as i begin to interact with HS and TF, I have found and understand their playstyle a bit that he was going by his reads not relatively thinking that i am different player than TB. His conversations and fight between TF seem town to be because the arguments that were flowing between the two is something i can only see two townies behave. Scum usually would avoid being in limelight and wouldn't want further attention on them and the say HS was voted on him and open to see him lynched seems like a frustrated townie. I saw very similar arguments from TF as well. I concluded and changed my opinion towards both of them and also noticed that there are others players like Chaos who is only being opportunist in the game, came up with a lynch but only gave leads on Road but reject to explain in his reads on his remaining lynch pools looks like a setup and open options to hop his vote on day 1

Hence, I was trying to help HS and TF to see each other in a different perspective as TF was stuck in believing that HS reaction over his soft claim is not legitimate. HS reaction over TF claim is reasonable, i would have reacted in the same way or the other.

I didn't change my read on these two just like that. It slowly progressed from scum read to possibly town read after talking to them for quite some time.
We as townies always open to change our opinion based on player reactions and with the way they handle the pressure and this game i found both HS and TF doesn't seem scum to be at this point of time.
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Post Post #1717 (isolation #59) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:06 am

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In post 1710, MortFeld wrote:
In post 1708, ArcAngel9 wrote: Hence, I was trying to help HS and TF to see each other in a different perspective as TF was stuck in believing that HS reaction over his soft claim is not legitimate. HS reaction over TF claim is reasonable, i would have reacted in the same way or the other.
You would have voted to lynch TF after he soft claimed?
Lynch him would be extreme but what i now say doesn't stand up to how i would have felt to the situation but i would have definitely asked for reason behind his action (which he is already explained) and I could empathise with him.
In post 1711, TwoFace wrote:looking back, arc changed her read on me after I explained myself about claiming vig, which means she probably thinks my claim is legit and went into self preservation mode so i don't shoot her.

the fact that she falsely accused me of wanting to hop on wagons and couldn't back that up with evidence is a huge red flag against her.
I said this before, how you kept your options to hop into my wagon seems suspicious to me and my initial thoughts on you about how you voted cooper because of his poor play made me thought that were keeping options to hop into easy wagon just like Chaos is doing it. It was an honest opinion at that time. If you want to black mark me on that, I can't change it, that's how i play my games.I am always suspicious over people who find little reasons to jump into easy wagons.
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Post Post #1718 (isolation #60) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:08 am

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In post 1712, MortFeld wrote:Arc, are you aware that the case on HS is not at all limited to what people saw as PR hunting?
Yes and i myself had a different reason to think he is scum and i also explained how that read is progressed from scum to possible town over the time.
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Post Post #1719 (isolation #61) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:11 am

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In post 1716, MortFeld wrote:
In post 1714, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1710, MortFeld wrote:
In post 1708, ArcAngel9 wrote: Hence, I was trying to help HS and TF to see each other in a different perspective as TF was stuck in believing that HS reaction over his soft claim is not legitimate. HS reaction over TF claim is reasonable, i would have reacted in the same way or the other.
You would have voted to lynch TF after he soft claimed?
remember she said she didn't believe my soft claim
Isn't changing her opinion on this (i.e. believing you are town and telling the truth) inconsistent with believing that HS' reaction is legitimate?

Pedit: Toto isn't that just boxed WIFOM?
No, you're not reading this my perspective. I said HS reaction is normal to think he is may scum for soft-claim but TF motive was different and HS couldn't see it and I was pitching in both to see that whole argument in a different perspective. And with the way HS read TF as scum makes me more to believe that HS reaction was genuine and only a townie and can question such claims as strongly as he did.
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Post Post #1724 (isolation #62) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:38 am

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In post 1720, MortFeld wrote:
In post 1719, ArcAngel9 wrote: No, you're not reading this my perspective. I said HS reaction is normal to think he is may scum for soft-claim but TF motive was different and HS couldn't see it and I was pitching in both to see that whole argument in a different perspective. And with the way HS read TF as scum makes me more to believe that HS reaction was genuine and only a townie and can question such claims as strongly as he did.
Didn't HS explicitly read TF as town though? If you actually look at HS' posts during the whole PL discussion, their vote on TF had nothing to do with the vig claim. They voted TF
despite
thinking TF was town. Don't take my word for it, read starting at 614. This is why I'm struggling with your explanation, the idea that HS questioned TF's claim just isn't true. I should read the discussion again to see if HS explains this since my PBPA was just your posts.

If you don't read, assume it's true that HS read TF as town the whole time. Does this change your read of HS?
In post 1721, TwoFace wrote:yeah HS was town reading me and voted me anyway
I suggest you read it again or ask HS for clarification. HS indeed mentioned that at one point he reads him more scum than town. I wasn't blind. I read it and i found his reaction reasoning genuine.
In post 1723, MortFeld wrote:Reading back on it, HS definitely never questioned whether or not TF was vig. HS questioned whether or not TF was even claiming vig. That looks like PR hunting, not town-motivated skepticism.

Not that I think HS is scum. What I'm trying to work out is that I feel like Arc's townread of HS magically appeared out of nowhere so I'm trying to assess Arc's reasoning.
TF repeatedly spoke that he never claimed VIG, it was HS who picked up based on TF's soft claim. Yes, I agree that there was some role-fishing has happened here but TF claim was bad, very bad that i could hurt town very well. HS reacted to it, the way a curious townie could react to day 1 PR claims.

do i know TF speaking truth, I don't know. He has to justify himself after night 1.
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Post Post #1725 (isolation #63) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:44 am

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In post 1704, MortFeld wrote:
In post 1702, Human Sequencer wrote: People randomly jumping on the chaos wagon is giving me the heeby jeebies, even if I townread most of them.
It really shouldn't. Dude. Chaos is the current alternative to your lynch. Like, we have 3 days and I highly highly doubt we'll reach a real consensus. If we do? Great! I'm just not there right now. I really think it's not even scum's doing, it's the fact that we have 6 replacements. Perhaps there's some leeway between Chaos, Arc, and Road, I chose Chaos because we need
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lynch and his wagon already has a backbone. Very open to discussing, i.e. would like to see how Chaos responds to you and how Arc responds to me.
In post 1703, TwoFace wrote:What does the blacked out part say?
why do we always end up fighting -_-
To add to your post Mort. I have been pushing Chaos wagon to get answers and he conveniently avoids it. Did you see his lynch pool without leads? does it ring bell?

I am wondering why this group is giving free passes to someone like Chaos. I see if a newbie gets a free pass for a poor play but Chaos being an experienced player, he is not really helping in scum hunting, He comes and gives us a lynch pool with no leads. His only scum read with some reasoning is Road. I am not even sure if anyone even focusing on Road at this point of the game. I want o Chaos come out here and say something about his wagon otherwise i am losing my patience here and hope over this game. Or maybe my instincts are correct. He is blatantly scum and hoping that he will get escaped while we stuck at never ending crossfire between TF, HS, Me wagons to end this long lasting day 1
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Post Post #1728 (isolation #64) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 7:57 am

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In post 1726, MortFeld wrote:Arc you're not understanding re: the vig claim.

Curious town!HS

Wow, TF just softclaimed some role. We're about to lynch TF! I wonder what this means. Maybe TF is lying scum trying to save his skin. Ok, I support this lynch. Vote: TF.

Devious scum!HS

Wow, TF just softclaimed some role. TF, is it vig!? Are you softclaiming vig!? Are you a vigilante power role? By the way, I think TF is town. Vote: TF.

Arc, are you telling me that the first one is what happened?
Okay, you're tricky aren't you? Screw you for making think my own perception twice but thanks anyway, this is helping me to read you better.

I say HS was stuck between both the cases you mentioned.

TF softclaimed some role. HS thought it was VIG, He didn't like it. He thinks he is may be scum or torn between his thoughts. And both started throwing scum reads on each other. Does this help? at least, this is how i see it. I feel that HS reaction over soft claim could be town reaction because i dont think scum would waste so much time in reasoning themselves, they avoid the conversations that make them drown.

Does this lead TF being scum, possibly but with the way he was defending himself over the situation seems town to me.This is how my read changed from possible scum to possible town fight between them.
In post 1727, MortFeld wrote:Yeah I don't like Chaos' lynch pool.
Good. At least something we agree on.
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Post Post #1731 (isolation #65) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:03 am

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In post 1729, TwoFace wrote:UNVOTE:
In post 1727, MortFeld wrote:Yeah I don't like Chaos' lynch pool.
what don't you like about it?

his lynch pool
In post 1504, ChaosOmega wrote:Road
Wobbuffet
ArcAngel
Drone
Road - you already voted once today, you unvoted to prevent a hammer and as far as I can tell you still sr him
Arc - you seem to be questioning and you sr her
Drone you said you weren't sure of
buffet - no idea what your read on this slot.

Seems like you should at least agree with 1/2 if not 3/4 of chaos's list by my recollection.
lol TF. Seriously what's the players in this game. Having matching scum reads doesn't hold or lead to town read someone. Mort had a good reason to doubt me but Chaos doesn't have one for his list or at least he never gave leads on his reads. they looked like random choices. Give benefit of doubt that mort could be wrong and Chaos is cashing it out so that he can get a free candy by day 1 i.e. lynching a poor townie.
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Post Post #1733 (isolation #66) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:05 am

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In post 1730, MortFeld wrote:Hm I remember the lynch pool differently. You're right, it's pretty reasonable. Makes me not like Arc even more.
I dont understand you at all. You seem to be stuck in black hole and don't want to come out of it. I can't help if you're not willing to see others perspective.

I will leave it to your discretion. I am going to continue to make my efforts to push the wagon that i scum read.

Chaos list is bad period. your reads matching his reads not an excuse to think that he is good, he seems opportunist to me.
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Post Post #1735 (isolation #67) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:08 am

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In post 1732, MortFeld wrote:Arc, have you even read the original discussion this is all referencing? Starting at 614.
I skimmed through a lot of posts after page 20. Do you see why this all confusing to me now. I didn't make an effort to read the 20 pages that i missed. I will if i have too but the way the conversations are happening, I believe the game is progressing at right direction. I am glad that a frustrated townie is not getting lynched today.
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Post Post #1745 (isolation #68) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:34 am

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In post 1736, MortFeld wrote:Here is why it is confusing to me.

You are saying you townread HS because HS had a specific type of reaction to TF's claim.

This reaction is not what happened.

Therefore, your townread is either not real, is misguided, or is based on something else.
No I town read him not because only reacted, I town read for the arguments he put forth. Are we going to continue this circle jerk all this game? because i am not seeing we both are getting anywhere with this.
In post 1738, MortFeld wrote:One (probably) Vig claim, one Cop claim.

Either someone's lying or town is very strong, no?
He is lying. I am 100% sure. Lynch him.
In post 1742, MortFeld wrote:I'm not scum. Why is it a shitty point?
I agree. See something else i agree with you.
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Post Post #1748 (isolation #69) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:38 am

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In post 1737, ChaosOmega wrote:Well, I'm not going to be super active this weekend, so to hopefully avoid the deadline wagon being on me, and that I'd rather TF not shoot me, I'm going to claim.

I'm a cop. Not claiming the amount of shots I have, but yeah.

I still think HS is scum, but I'm very sketched out by Wobbuffet flaking while being active on site elsewhere.

This is 100% false claim. I bet all my experience from mafiascum to be sure that Chaos is now almost confirmed scum to me.

A cop never claims, if he really had been cop, he would have taken time to defend himself. He played bad, a very bad scum play and now he is only option to save himself till day 2 is cop claim.

He wants us to leave him today to investigate TF, we dont know how true TF claim is and he is just playing around and we should lynch him without hesitation

CHAOS IS SCUM. And pretty much confirmed one for me.

if i can vote again, here you go

VOTE: Chaos
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Post Post #1752 (isolation #70) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:41 am

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In post 1747, MortFeld wrote:The circle jerk is only happening because you didn't read the actual interaction you're talking about, Arc.
Oh god Mort. Why dont you try listening to me for heavans sake. My argument is not based on what i missed out, my reads are based how i perceive them since i started putting my head on to this game.
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Post Post #1754 (isolation #71) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:44 am

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In post 1746, ChaosOmega wrote:No, there were 3 (masons are PRs). And your question seemed to be more an implication that one of us is likely lying, and not an actual question on game balance. It doesn't matter for now, I guess, you're not the lynch today.

Yes and you're one who is being lying the game. You're scum. period.
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Post Post #1755 (isolation #72) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:45 am

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In post 1753, TwoFace wrote:chaos, why didn't you defend yourself or at least attempt to?
Because he is scum and he just faked his claim. this is the only possible way he could save himself for this day so that we believe that he would try investigate you and during the process they gain town kills through day lynch and night kill.

A weak scum strategy i must say.
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Post Post #1760 (isolation #73) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 8:59 am

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In post 1757, ChaosOmega wrote:
In post 1753, TwoFace wrote:chaos, why didn't you defend yourself or at least attempt to?
Like I said, I'm not going to be active this weekend, and I've seen games like this, where the tide of votes shifts to a player like me since I'm not really townread by anyone, I'm the ultimate compromise lynch. With the people in this game and the way they're playing, I do not think I would be successful arguing out of a lynch without putting in a lot of time, and I have zero desire to do that. So I'm claiming my role and letting the chips fall where they may. If I am the lynch, you get to see who was willing to lynch the claimed cop, and you get more info.
Wow. Thanks for more scum posts.

Is this the best explanation we get someone who got awarded as best town performance. Lol you must be joking.. Seriously, if people not going to lynch you today i am quitting this noob game. I mean it.
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Post Post #1763 (isolation #74) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:04 am

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In post 1762, ChaosOmega wrote:
In post 1760, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 1757, ChaosOmega wrote:
In post 1753, TwoFace wrote:chaos, why didn't you defend yourself or at least attempt to?
Like I said, I'm not going to be active this weekend, and I've seen games like this, where the tide of votes shifts to a player like me since I'm not really townread by anyone, I'm the ultimate compromise lynch. With the people in this game and the way they're playing, I do not think I would be successful arguing out of a lynch without putting in a lot of time, and I have zero desire to do that. So I'm claiming my role and letting the chips fall where they may. If I am the lynch, you get to see who was willing to lynch the claimed cop, and you get more info.
Wow. Thanks for more scum posts.

Is this the best explanation we get someone who got awarded as best town performance. Lol you must be joking.. Seriously, if people not going to lynch you today i am quitting this noob game. I mean it.
Guys, if you don't lynch me today, you also get rid of ArcAngel. Sounds like a great deal to me!
Ha ha ha..What a joke. You still trying harder but i still feel sorry for your scum team.
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Post Post #1764 (isolation #75) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:05 am

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if Chaos flip town. I resign mafiascum. I bet my experience on my read.
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Post Post #1767 (isolation #76) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:19 am

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In post 1765, ChaosOmega wrote:Oh please don't be a lie.

You should get award on worst scum claim ever.
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Post Post #1768 (isolation #77) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:20 am

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In post 1766, ChaosOmega wrote:VOTE: rb

So you want town to lynch me or shoot me but you dont want to vote me. do you see how unrealistic your gameplay is? Why not you ask people to shoot Road or lynch him tomorrow and you vote me instead?
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Post Post #1774 (isolation #78) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 9:58 am

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In post 1769, MortFeld wrote:I don't understand why Arc is so sure of her read... I lean toward lying but I'm not seeing anything conclusive.

Pedit: where did Chaos say he wants town to lynch or shoot you?
I am so sure because i have faced situations like this before. I know when scum stumble with their fake claims. I know and I don't expect everyone to agree with me on this. But i am not wrong here and you will know it when Chaos get lynched and his flip is out. You call it as gut or hunch but i am 100% accuratel.
In post 1770, Toto wrote:Chaos, you really need to explain that RB vote, unless you have a very clear case on wobbu/RB now, it doesn't make sense with what you said before about claiming to move the game forward. RB is a replacement and he has 70 pages to catch up with before he can answer any questions.

I don't like the idea of lynching a claimed cop but, dude, really, if you are a cop you need to give us a hand here.

UNVOTE: HS

I'm not moving voting until this shit is clarified. I don't like Arc's confidence but I don't like Chaos claim either.
Claim is scum. forget about my confidence, if you don't like Chaos claim then you have good reason to be there and he hasn't even defend himself or reason out clearly about his claim. His claim was weak, he played poor, he has no strong reads and everything else he has done one thing which is - he is more likely scum than anyone on this game at this point.
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Post Post #1775 (isolation #79) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:01 am

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In post 1773, MortFeld wrote:
In post 1771, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1762, ChaosOmega wrote:Guys, if you don't lynch me today, you also get rid of ArcAngel. Sounds like a great deal to me!
@mort, maybe arc is talking about this?

idk what this actually means

this game is giving me a headache
Oh, I'm pretty sure Chaos just meant that he's going to flip town, meaning that Arc is going to quit.
How i am so happy to prove you wrong here. I never been wrong in a case like this. Anyone who has played with me in the past would tell me that why i appear so confident. When i found scum they are scum. If i am not sure i am ready to listen, i give benefit of doubt for every possibility that i can find
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Post Post #1777 (isolation #80) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:03 am

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In post 1772, TwoFace wrote:I don't buy the cop claim either but I am not a big fan of lynching claimed PRs on day 1 although I have seen town do it and lynched right. if he's legit i'd rather we not do the work for mafia
This is exactly what he wants. and exactly what scum wants. They know that townies won't dare to lynch PR claims on day 1 and they want benefit out of it.

Don't fall for this.
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Post Post #1780 (isolation #81) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:06 am

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In post 1776, TwoFace wrote:As much as I want him lynched I'm not rolling the dice day 1.
You're buying the street garbage that scum is selling it you. When you go home, you wont stars in it. you will see how end up losing your bet on that.
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Post Post #1783 (isolation #82) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:07 am

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In post 1779, TwoFace wrote:Day 1, I'm going to. Any other day that's a different story.

You can be super confident he's lying and still be wrong. It's not worth it

For a moment keep his claim out of the discussion. Is there anything he has done that look town to you? Answer me honestly.
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Post Post #1784 (isolation #83) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:07 am

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In post 1782, TwoFace wrote:
In post 1780, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 1776, TwoFace wrote:As much as I want him lynched I'm not rolling the dice day 1.
You're buying the street garbage that scum is selling it you. When you go home, you wont stars in it. you will see how end up losing your bet on that.
I guess I am. #SorryNotSorry
You being a townderp!!
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Post Post #1786 (isolation #84) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:10 am

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TF - Please feel free to think what you want. I dont want argue because i know i can't convince you or maybe you dont want to get convinced.

Can I have other players look into the situation. We are getting closer to the day end.
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Post Post #1788 (isolation #85) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:12 am

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In post 1785, MortFeld wrote:I don't see why I should want to avoid lynching Chaos. If we had a good alternative it would make sense to not lynch the cop claim day 1, but I don't see one.
Stop looking at the case from claim perspective. Look at the claim from the player perspective. How did you claim? On what situation? He was being pressurized to speak up and he claimed and vanished thinking that he could avoid getting lynched today. Doesn't it sound rational to you?

He was not even at L1 to claim that he is cop. He claimed to avoid being explained about why he is not scum.
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Post Post #1791 (isolation #86) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:14 am

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In post 1787, TwoFace wrote:Having just finished a game where I was 10000% sure somebody was scum that I would have done the same and threatened to quit only to find out that not only was the shitty player was not scum, he basically had the entire scum team nailed.

So yeah shit happens. He's probably scum but day 1 isn't the day to take that risk. I'm a shitty gambler

A gambler takes risk that i proposed. you're not a gambler and not even close to a poor gambler. You just diced your options and hanging to one just like how you didn't want to listen to my argument the other day.
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Post Post #1794 (isolation #87) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:17 am

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In post 1790, ChaosOmega wrote:Mort, what the hell do you mean you don't see an alternative? You were my top town read, you're plummeting down. You were just convincing people to vote for Arc. Is that not an alternative?
now you're trying to buddy up with people. Lol.

If may I ask, explain how you top town read MORT. and who else you is your top town read and also the question you been avoiding all game. Explain reads on your lynch pool please. and also another obvious question you tried to avoid answering. Why did you claim when you're not at L1? Answers please.
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Post Post #1798 (isolation #88) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:19 am

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In post 1792, MortFeld wrote:Pretty sure this situation is not even close to Titus. That type of situation will probably never happen again.

Pedit: looking forward to who you think we should lynch then rb.

Pedit2: Actually you're right, Arc is an alternative, it's just that if Arc flips town we're in the same situation as we are now. If you flip town Arc is probably scum, meaning that the EV of your lynch is higher. Isn't trading one scum for cop worth it?
Mort - Forget that he even claimed COP. Did he do anything in the game that looked town to you? Answer this please. and please put yourself into his role. If you cop, would play like the way he played? especially someone who know to be awarded as best town performance in Mafiascum.net scummies awards?
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Post Post #1801 (isolation #89) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:21 am

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In post 1800, rb wrote:Arc: what's he done that's scummy tho?
:facepalm: :facepalm: :facepalm:

Can I request you to read the last 10 pages again incase you miss all my posts?
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Post Post #1805 (isolation #90) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:23 am

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In post 1799, rb wrote:We can just investigate/vig/cop/something on Chaos. I don't know enough about Arc tp know if he's as good as he says.

This is exactly what scum wants. Get a day free pass so that he can benefit out of it. Stop looking at his claim, see how he claimed like a derp. No town cop would play the way he played the game. He claimed to avoid being questioned as simple as that. He wants to survive the day. Scum don't want to get lynched on day 1 when they can hit the town on day and night
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Post Post #1811 (isolation #91) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:26 am

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In post 1804, MortFeld wrote:This is the reason I don't believe his claim, but you're trying to say that it's beyond doubt that he's telling the truth which is just not true.
Me being sure is my perspective. And with the way i have corned scums in the 50plus games i have played on mafiascum.net
I am being sure again because i believe that i am correct which is built based on how his claim happened, especially after being questioned to participate in the game. Because he has done anything to defend himself and he knows for sure that he will get lynched even if he try to defend himself because he never hunted for scum in the game. The only way to save his arse is to just fake claim and let townies run in circle for today.
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Post Post #1815 (isolation #92) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:29 am

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In post 1802, ChaosOmega wrote:Arc, how the fuck is telling somebody they're plummeting down my reads buddying?

pedit: Arc is a fucking terrible player, rb.

I asked you a billion questions and you choose to comment on my playstyle. You understand why I am cornering you right? I believe your scum and I am hunting scum and just because you think i am terrible player doesn't make me stop doing my job in the game which is hunting scums like you. You're just too upset that i am good at my job
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Post Post #1816 (isolation #93) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:31 am

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In post 1813, MortFeld wrote:FWIW I am way more sure that he's lying now that he isn't going after you. How could he think you're town if he's town?
He is not after me because he is scared that if he comes after me, he needs to explain himself which he doesn't want. If he is town , he would have used this time rather defend himself and never have claimed in a situation like this.
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Post Post #1819 (isolation #94) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 10:44 am

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In post 1818, TwoFace wrote:VOTE: rb
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Post Post #1821 (isolation #95) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:10 am

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In post 1820, TwoFace wrote:It's him or you so...
So you agree that you going to derp rest of the game. Well done. :roll: :roll:
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Post Post #1822 (isolation #96) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:11 am

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And my question is, how you going to get that wagon fill in next 48 hours. Great help btw, So pro-town move.
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Post Post #1976 (isolation #97) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:24 pm

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I am tired of pushing my case against Chaos. I am done for this day. Its your choice. HE IS CONFIRMED SCUM.

Too bad that someone of you couldn't see it. Mort - You see things better than others. You know where I am coming from. Chaos is a liar, he continue to lie, avoid and nothing but only played scummy.
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Post Post #1978 (isolation #98) » Fri Nov 18, 2016 11:39 pm

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In post 1977, Shadow_step wrote:I don't think chaos is fake claiming.
There was no need for him to claim if he is honestly a cop. He fake claimed to avoid being questioned since we were pushing him
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Post Post #1986 (isolation #99) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 2:19 am

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I give up. Not even one person in this group who is willing to listen. Everyone has stuck up with their own ego.

Good luck. I no longer care who is going to get lynched anymore. 40 hours left for this horrible day anyway. I regret replacing into this game now.
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Post Post #2001 (isolation #100) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 5:27 am

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I am at L2. Well played Scum

Here is my claim and you all can blame yourself for this. DO YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY I AM SO SURE THAT CHAOS IS SCUM. AND HIS CLAIM IS FAKE.. I AM TOWN JAIL KEEPER.

THERE IS SO WAY WE HAVE COP, JAILKEEPER AND VIG.

ENJOY NOOB TOWNIES.
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Post Post #2030 (isolation #101) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:53 am

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In post 2023, TwoFace wrote:
In post 2001, ArcAngel9 wrote:I am at L2. Well played Scum

Here is my claim and you all can blame yourself for this. DO YOU WANT TO KNOW WHY I AM SO SURE THAT CHAOS IS SCUM. AND HIS CLAIM IS FAKE.. I AM TOWN JAIL KEEPER.

THERE IS SO WAY WE HAVE COP, JAILKEEPER AND VIG.

ENJOY NOOB TOWNIES.
1762 - vig/jk/gunsmith (similar to cop)
1825 - vig/jk/cop/doc
1651 - vig/cop/doc

That's just on my phone lol.

If you're town do some damn research before you say things in all caps.
EITHER YOU'RE REALLY PESSIMISTIC OR YOU'RE SCUM WITH CHAOS


I AM REPEATING THIS 100TH TIME. ITS NOT HIS CLAIM ITS THE WAY HE CLAIMED. GET THIS FOR THE LAST TIME. HE ONLY CLAIMED BECAUSE HE DOESN'T WANT TO DEFEND HIMSELF.
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Post Post #2031 (isolation #102) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 6:56 am

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CHAOS IS SCUM. I DON'T WHAT ELSE I CAN DO TO CONVINCE ALL OF YOU.

THERE ARE SO MANY REASONS THAT ADD UP TO CONFIRM HIM AS SCUM. STILL DEBATING ABOUT HIS LYNCH IS HEIGHTS.
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Post Post #2066 (isolation #103) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:51 am

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In post 2065, Shadow_step wrote:I really think chaos v arc is t v t.
I seriously need both of you to NOT target each other.

Do you even know how to play this game. How is chaos is town? what is that he did look town to you?

this game is not only creeping me hell out but the players list. I want to kill myself for even replacing into this game. I never got so tired off with the 50plus game i played on this site.

this player list is officially the worst list i ever played it.

Every body is a different type. Not even one on agreeing with the other.
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Post Post #2068 (isolation #104) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 7:53 am

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In post 2052, MortFeld wrote:Not interacting with this from TF. Will interact with the game when work is over.

I second to this.

i dont want to go on like this ever. If i am a day vig, regardless of alignment i would shoot TF.
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Post Post #2082 (isolation #105) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:06 am

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In post 2071, Human Sequencer wrote:@arc
It's not just us. It's the circumstances we've been put in.
We've been through like twenty replacements and 80 pages. All of it putting up with twoface and his incredible ability to drive others out of the game.
Please see it through. I've been surviving this from the start.
Circumstances are created by players. Players like TF, Shadow who continue to act like 4-year-old kids and rb, Naomi, Nero who is just been lurking all through the game created this mega size noob game.

Its not the game, it's the player and my brain is hurting. Its hurting so bad that i want to dump my laptop into something so that i don't have to look at this game ever again.
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Post Post #2085 (isolation #106) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:09 am

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In post 2080, rb wrote:Either my reads are so bad rn that scum wanna let me live or this is smart town trying to keep a bad vig shot occurring.

UNVOTE: Arc

VOTE: Drone

Feels wrong somehow but no idea who else to lynch.

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Post Post #2088 (isolation #107) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:11 am

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In post 2087, TwoFace wrote:
In post 2082, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 2071, Human Sequencer wrote:@arc
It's not just us. It's the circumstances we've been put in.
We've been through like twenty replacements and 80 pages. All of it putting up with twoface and his incredible ability to drive others out of the game.
Please see it through. I've been surviving this from the start.
Circumstances are created by players. Players like TF, Shadow who continue to act like 4-year-old kids and rb, Naomi, Nero who is just been lurking all through the game created this mega size noob game.

Its not the game, it's the player and my brain is hurting. Its hurting so bad that i want to dump my laptop into something so that i don't have to look at this game ever again.
You've been acting like a 4 year old.
That's exactly what a 4 year old reply to their elderly.
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Post Post #2093 (isolation #108) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:13 am

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In post 2089, Nero Cain wrote:Arc is town and I'm willing to buy the Vig/Cop claims so

vote: Naomi

Nero - If you're not voting Chaos. I am going to find you and kill you for sure. Stop derping. Vote Chaos :o :o :o :o :o :o
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Post Post #2096 (isolation #109) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:14 am

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In post 2091, TwoFace wrote:You're the one who stayed typing all caps unnecessarily. Nobody else.

:facepalm:

do you know the meaning of rage? frustration? and things that you have done and put me through?
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Post Post #2097 (isolation #110) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:15 am

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In post 2094, Human Sequencer wrote:If chaos is still alive tomorrow we had better godamn muderball him
Same for arc

Arc pls jailkeep tf

Mafia will kill me tonight unless a doc protects me.

Chaos is scum, we should lynch him

I will jail keep TF tonight for sure.
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Post Post #2118 (isolation #111) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:51 am

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OMG why this is happening. Lynch Chaos!!!
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Post Post #2119 (isolation #112) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:52 am

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Watch this game..Understand why i am saying what i am saying. I dealt things like this in the past. Fake claiming to draw out town PRS is this site scum meta

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... &start=225


I am 200% sure that Chaos is scum and we are not lynching the obvious scum means doom to the town
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Post Post #2121 (isolation #113) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 8:54 am

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In post 2120, MortFeld wrote:Arc people aren't going to lynch Chaos. I've accepted it and you should too.

Vote for Drone please?
No. Chaos is scum. When i hit scum why i have to gamble?

Chaos is still not defending himself, taking his chances to survive through the day.

This town is being idiot. thats all i can say
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Post Post #2131 (isolation #114) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:31 am

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Its doesn't matter. This town is lost with hopeless players like TF in it.


Scum will kill me tonight. Good bye all. I now officially give up chasing Chaos wagon.
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Post Post #2132 (isolation #115) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:32 am

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If TF is really. there is more tragic. if he is scum with Chaos. Nicely done.
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Post Post #2135 (isolation #116) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:39 am

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In post 2133, MortFeld wrote:Arc can you please vote Drone before you go

If we decide to mislynch. Why not lynch me instead? I don't know if Drone is scum and my vote either remains on confirmed scum or I ll rather vote myself
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Post Post #2139 (isolation #117) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:41 am

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In post 2134, TwoFace wrote:
In post 2131, ArcAngel9 wrote:Its doesn't matter. This town is lost with hopeless players like TF in it.


Scum will kill me tonight. Good bye all. I now officially give up chasing Chaos wagon.
Yeah cause there's something wrong with using logic and common sense.

This is best you can do. Abuse, insult and belittling people with your stubbornness.
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Post Post #2140 (isolation #118) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:41 am

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In post 2137, TwoFace wrote:
In post 2135, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 2133, MortFeld wrote:Arc can you please vote Drone before you go

If we decide to mislynch. Why not lynch me instead? I don't know if Drone is scum and my vote either remains on confirmed scum or I ll rather vote myself
He isn't confirmed scum

He is confirmed scum to MEEE!!!!!
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Post Post #2142 (isolation #119) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 9:42 am

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In post 2138, MortFeld wrote:
In post 2135, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 2133, MortFeld wrote:Arc can you please vote Drone before you go

If we decide to mislynch. Why not lynch me instead? I don't know if Drone is scum and my vote either remains on confirmed scum or I ll rather vote myself
This makes no sense. Why would you rather lynch confirmed jailkeeper than Drone
When you guys are not lynching confirmed scum, rather lynch the obvious night kill.
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Post Post #2149 (isolation #120) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:09 am

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In post 2141, MortFeld wrote:Arc stop engaging the back and forth and try to work this out with me. If TF is as insufferable as you seem to think can you please just ignore him for now
Mort, I wanted this to work. Read all my posts again. How my emotions flowed throughout the game. I understand that i can't expect people to see things from my point of view, But for once, put yourself in my shoes and tell me what options i have when i lost hope on this group.

I started off the game thinking that HS is scum and TF is probably scum due to his insensitive options to hop into my wagon. After the endless conversations with both HS and TF, I changed my mind, I empathized with TF to understand his point of view better. I changed my read from possible scum to possible town because I felt that they are genuinely investing in-game unlike other players. I started re-looking other players to see If I can find good leads, I read as much as i could and I only end up finding a lot of newbie players who are appear to be scum only because of their poor play. Chaos is the only player who i found it odd in the rest of players, He is an experienced player, He knows to mafiascum as one of the pro-town players and also awarded as BEST TOWN PERFORMACE. I was taken back by his play in this game, this isn't how a pro-town player play, His lynch pool without leads further even pointed that he is possible scum. I started off cornering him to get responses from him, I gave him every opportunity to defend himself, He came back with reasons that he is not around yet making few posts only indicating that he is quietly lurking the game. As the wagon is building on him and he knew that he has to do something to take off the wagon on him and he doesn't want to invest time in defending himself, so he came back with a fake claim. A claim he knows that people buy it on day 1 without twisting it back thus can buy him more time in the game without being called out until day 2 or more. He hasn't expected that i come back strongly on him, if he is really the town-cop, he would have defended himself to prove me wrong but he rather choose to avoid me time and again, He not only hasn't responded a single question i have asked but continue not to focus on me, because he knows that he retaliate, he will have to answer to me which is ready to do it because that only will make him look suspicious.

With a lot of VI's in the game who don't understand the site meta end up twisting the wagon on me, this isn't scum expected but they don't care who we lynch today because the remaining is happily under shadow and not wanted to get in between this argument. I was dragged to a point that i was tired of arguing and was forced to claim myself as i am being lynched just in a day.

I never wanted people to lynch Cop0-claim. I was pushing everyone to see how has played the game so far. Its not his claim, its how he claimed and his motive for not being questioned. Everyone doing things as exactly Chaos wanted, He knows that town wont risk lynching claimed PR on day 1. Chaos was in no danger when he claimed, he only claimed because he doesn't want to answer or defend himself. All I wanted for this group to see his motive.

I went back and forth and i am really tired physically and emotionally. So, No I dont see a point in debating anyfurther when we have players with 4 year old child mentatlity who is gunning me back because i asked them to see things from my logical perspective

I know myself that i did everything i could to save the day and unfortunately i am stuck with kind of people who are acting like dog with bone. they don't want to let go of their perspective at any cost. The truth will be out now or later. And I will wait and let it happen as i lost my patience at this point.
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Post Post #2150 (isolation #121) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:11 am

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In post 2147, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 2131, ArcAngel9 wrote:Its doesn't matter. This town is lost with hopeless players like TF in it.


Scum will kill me tonight. Good bye all. I now officially give up chasing Chaos wagon.
What makes you think your so high and mighty that the reds would single you out above the rest of town.
Talking about Village idiots. Here is one. I am done empathizing with players like these.
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Post Post #2153 (isolation #122) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:55 am

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In post 2152, TwoFace wrote:Like I get everything you're saying arc. I agree with most of it regarding chaos. But if we're wrong and he's town and he's lynched day 1, I can't handle that. Can you?
I know i am not wrong. I am not only saying this i have a gut or hunch. I am speaking out of my experience, I have played with almost all kind of players on this site. I been through, been there done that. I fake claimed myself when i was scum. Check my wiki page. I claimed roles that you cant possibly dream off that a town can handle. I single handily managed my scum team to the victory with my fake claim. I know how this thing works. Have you ever heard of beloved princess role? I fake claimed it and nailed the town to believe me that i am right. I am saying things that i have good knowledge off. If i wasn't sure i wouldn't be doing things that i did. If i am a VI i would be still be stuck in pushing either yours or HS wagons.
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Post Post #2154 (isolation #123) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:58 am

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http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 1#p4707291

Check the game above. My early claim to earn town cred. This is what people do to save themselves especially when they don't want to justify or being targetted
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Post Post #2156 (isolation #124) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 10:59 am

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Intention and time of Claim will surely tell if that claim is legit or fake. And this case, Chaos is faking it 200%
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Post Post #2157 (isolation #125) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:00 am

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In post 2155, TwoFace wrote:Fair enough. I don't faith in your experience. You could possibly be scum yourself.

Get ready to be guilty when my flip is out.
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Post Post #2161 (isolation #126) » Sat Nov 19, 2016 11:24 am

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In post 2160, MortFeld wrote:I don't understand why someone would say "Either I vote to lynch x or I vote to lynch nobody" when there are 3 scum

Try this.


I am frustrated and angry with derp town. That's all I can say. Chaos is scum and my vote is there where it needs to be. Rest is up to you.
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Post Post #2363 (isolation #127) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:34 am

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In post 2324, ChaosOmega wrote:I investigated Toto. They're scum.

VOTE: Toto

LIAR LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE.

I JAILED TOTO LAST NIGHT. NOW PLEASE FOLLOW ME TO LYNCH THE 100% CONFIRMED SCUM.

VOTE: ChaosOmega
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Post Post #2367 (isolation #128) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:37 am

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I deliberately said i will jail TwoFace so that scum would think that TF wouldn't be able to shoot anybody.


I chose TOTO for being the last person in the Drone wagon.


Scum knows that I am pushing Chaos wagon and killing me instantly would confirm Chaos is scum. So they are let me live so that Chaos will pull mislynch on Toto.

Its too bad that they dont know I jail kept Toto last night. LAMO this is so funny.
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Post Post #2369 (isolation #129) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:39 am

Post by ArcAngel9 »

In post 2364, MortFeld wrote:I'm out of the house for all of today so I'll be reading but not posting too much.
In post 2363, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 2324, ChaosOmega wrote:I investigated Toto. They're scum.

VOTE: Toto

LIAR LIAR, PANTS ON FIRE.

I JAILED TOTO LAST NIGHT. NOW PLEASE FOLLOW ME TO LYNCH THE 100% CONFIRMED SCUM.

VOTE: ChaosOmega
This means that Chaos was correct, and Toto is scum.
I jail kept toto. Hence, he is un-targetable. Chaos is lying. He is confirmed scum.
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Post Post #2371 (isolation #130) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:40 am

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In post 2368, TwoFace wrote:
In post 2364, MortFeld wrote:This means that Chaos was correct, and Toto is scum.
if toto was jk'd, chaos could not get a result

so toto/chaos

Who did you shoot last night?
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Post Post #2373 (isolation #131) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:40 am

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In post 2370, MortFeld wrote:Oh I see. I probably should have read role descriptions for the roles in this game.

So if we lynch Chaos and he flips town we just lynch Arc tomorrow, right?

LOL. You wouldn't have to. Chaos is identified scum for town.
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Post Post #2378 (isolation #132) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:43 am

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In post 2372, Shadow_step wrote:Why is Chaos faking a guilty on Toto, one scum down, he will only get one extra day.

I am bit surprised. It's a mad move. But there is way Chaos would get result on Toto unless I was role-blocked. A jail-keeper, Role block, Vig & cop. It's an impossible setup.
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Post Post #2381 (isolation #133) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:45 am

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In post 2380, TwoFace wrote:
In post 2371, ArcAngel9 wrote:Who did you shoot last night?
HS

which means that mafia's kill failed. I seriously doubt mafia was trying to kill toto so you probably stopped his kill attempt.

chaos/toto
How perfect, So I chose it correctly. I feel so good about my night choice then :)
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Post Post #2385 (isolation #134) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:46 am

Post by ArcAngel9 »

In post 2379, MortFeld wrote:I did read that Chaos said he had a guilty on Toto, I didn't know JK blocked investigative roles.

Base Role


A Jailkeeper (or Jailer)'s Night Action is one that protects its target from kills, but also Roleblocks its target. Unlike Doctor, Jailkeeper's protection extends to stopping every kill that would resolve on the target by default.
Because it is a combination Doctor and Roleblocker, Jailkeeper has a myriad of uses while not allowing broken combinations or exactly confirming anyone as Town or scum. Thus, it has risen to prominence as a very popular power role.
Because it is a Roleblocker, Jailkeeper is never allowed to self-target.
This role is a non-bastard version of Paranoid Doctor.

Read from here

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Jailkeeper
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Post Post #2389 (isolation #135) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:48 am

Post by ArcAngel9 »

In post 2382, Shadow_step wrote:HS kill makes sense if Chaos is scum.
In post 2378, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 2372, Shadow_step wrote:Why is Chaos faking a guilty on Toto, one scum down, he will only get one extra day.
I am bit surprised. It's a mad move. But there is way Chaos would get result on Toto unless I was role-blocked. A jail-keeper, Role block, Vig & cop. It's an impossible setup.
RB + JK is possible, but strongman + RB as scum roles sounds OP.

And can you all agree that I was right yesterday. All thought drama i had to go through to convince all of you. what a pain. :neutral:
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Post Post #2394 (isolation #136) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:49 am

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two down and one to go.

Let's focus on the last scum.
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Post Post #2400 (isolation #137) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:50 am

Post by ArcAngel9 »

In post 2393, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 2385, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 2379, MortFeld wrote:I did read that Chaos said he had a guilty on Toto, I didn't know JK blocked investigative roles.

Base Role


A Jailkeeper (or Jailer)'s Night Action is one that protects its target from kills, but also Roleblocks its target. Unlike Doctor, Jailkeeper's protection extends to stopping every kill that would resolve on the target by default.
Because it is a combination Doctor and Roleblocker, Jailkeeper has a myriad of uses while not allowing broken combinations or exactly confirming anyone as Town or scum. Thus, it has risen to prominence as a very popular power role.
Because it is a Roleblocker, Jailkeeper is never allowed to self-target.
This role is a non-bastard version of Paranoid Doctor.

Read from here

http://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Jailkeeper
UNVOTE:
VOTE: Toto

That says it roleblocks the target and saves them from being killed. which means the cop positive would still happened as its not roleblocking people who targeted them. We just have a double positive on toto.

Hold. What are you saying ?
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Post Post #2410 (isolation #138) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:54 am

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In post 2403, ChaosOmega wrote:No it fucking doesn't. A rolestopper is what you are thinking of.

Stop trying to manipulate.

Guys - Read this. Its explained here

http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 58#p945058
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Post Post #2415 (isolation #139) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:55 am

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In post 2409, ChaosOmega wrote:Jailkeeper protects and roleblocks the target, it doesn't roleblock people targeting their target.

Just look on the MafiaWiki for Jailkeeper.

Show where in wiki it says that. WIKI clearly says that "Jailkeepers not only protect their target from all kills, but also render its target untargetable by all other actions during that Night."
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Post Post #2421 (isolation #140) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:58 am

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GUYS STOP TALKING

THIS IS THE SNAPSHOT FROM WIKI


Normal Guidelines

A Jailkeeper that simultaneously blocks and protects their target is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, provided that any mutual blocking scenarios are planned for during review. Any role that receives results (such as Tracker or Watcher) but is blocked should receive a "no result" message, rather than told their target didn't go anywhere or nobody visited their target. A Jailkeeper cannot stop a Strongman from committing a kill.


IT IS NORMAL FOR JAILKEEPER TO BLOCK ALL THE TARGETS. SEE THE ABOVE. IF A WATER TRACKS SOMEONE THAT WERE JAILED WILL RECEIVE NO RESULT. SO CHAOS IS ABSOLUTELY LYING OR OUR MOD SCREWED THE RESULT FOR HIM. I BELIEVE THAT CHOAS IS LYING.
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Post Post #2422 (isolation #141) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 4:59 am

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In post 2417, TwoFace wrote:
In post 2415, ArcAngel9 wrote:Show where in wiki it says that. WIKI clearly says that "Jailkeepers not only protect their target from all kills, but also render its target untargetable by all other actions during that Night."
learn to read

Variations

Some Jailkeepers not only protect their target from all kills, but also render its target untargetable by all other actions during that Night.
This variant is also known as Alien.

LEARN TO READ FULL PAGE...


Normal Guidelines

A Jailkeeper that simultaneously blocks and protects their target is considered Normal on mafiascum.net, provided that any mutual blocking scenarios are planned for during review. Any role that receives results (such as Tracker or Watcher) but is blocked should receive a "no result" message, rather than told their target didn't go anywhere or nobody visited their target. A Jailkeeper cannot stop a Strongman from committing a kill.
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Post Post #2434 (isolation #142) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:04 am

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I read my role pm once again. Let me paraphrase it as I am not allowed to copy and paste it.

Once per night I can target a player to protect them, the target player will not know that they were protected and I will not know who has targetted them.

AND

I also block my target, Causing any attempted actions fail for the current night phase. So if toto was targetted by Chaos, he would have received a message saying, BLOCKED.
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Post Post #2439 (isolation #143) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:05 am

Post by ArcAngel9 »

In post 2430, TwoFace wrote:
In post 2419, TwoFace wrote:Any role that receives results (such as Tracker or Watcher) but is blocked should receive a "no result" message, rather than told their target didn't go anywhere or nobody visited their target. A Jailkeeper cannot stop a Strongman from committing a kill.
Chaos wasn't blocked, toto was.

show me where it says the blocked person can't be investigated by somebody else and that somebody else can't get a result with regards to normal guidelines.

i'll wait cause I don't think you can.

p.edit - yes toto get's lynched today.
I read my role again and it says very clearly that targetted player is blocked against all actions both incoming and outgoing.
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Post Post #2448 (isolation #144) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:09 am

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I think we should check with someone who can clear this out. I am on town minds with this.
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Post Post #2452 (isolation #145) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:10 am

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Thank you KEY

So toto is scum.


VOTE: Toto

Who is the last scum?
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Post Post #2457 (isolation #146) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:12 am

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In post 2450, ChaosOmega wrote:Lol, the mod said it doesn't. The mod's word isn't good enough for you?
this still doesn't clear you as town.

You probably throwing your scum mate under the bus to prove your cop claim, so that i won't jail you. I will jail tonight no matter what. and TF shoots nobody tonight. this will clear you or we got the last scum.
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Post Post #2461 (isolation #147) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:13 am

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In post 2455, TwoFace wrote:
In post 2452, ArcAngel9 wrote:Thank you KEY

So toto is scum.


VOTE: Toto

Who is the last scum?
lol no "i'm sorry for being an ass" or something similar? :facepalm:

You saying this may be the biggest joke of this decade. If you read my role pm you would know where I am coming from.

But this still doesn't clear Chaos yet. He could still be scum.
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Post Post #2464 (isolation #148) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:14 am

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In post 2460, Shadow_step wrote:Don't hammer Toto yet.

We need to co ordinate the outed PRs

I'd like TF to shoot Nero
No. Nero is town. We don't want to TF to shoot anyone. He will likely hit the town.

I will jail Chaos to confirm that he is cop.
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Post Post #2468 (isolation #149) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:15 am

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In post 2463, TwoFace wrote:
In post 2457, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 2450, ChaosOmega wrote:Lol, the mod said it doesn't. The mod's word isn't good enough for you?
this still doesn't clear you as town.

You probably throwing your scum mate under the bus to prove your cop claim, so that i won't jail you. I will jail tonight no matter what. and TF shoots nobody tonight. this will clear you or we got the last scum.
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you don't believe the possibility that Chaos could still be scum?
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Post Post #2472 (isolation #150) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:18 am

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In post 2467, ChaosOmega wrote:Lol, how does jailing me confirm me as cop?

I am still thinking that you may be throwing your scum mate under the bus because Toto's kill has failed last night. It is real good strategy to bait your mate so that you can almost get a confirm town cred.

I will jail you tonight and TF doesn't shoot anyone. If I live through the night, you're the last remaining scum or you're confirmed cop.
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Post Post #2476 (isolation #151) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:20 am

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In post 2470, TwoFace wrote:
In post 2461, ArcAngel9 wrote:You saying this may be the biggest joke of this decade. If you read my role pm you would know where I am coming from.

But this still doesn't clear Chaos yet. He could still be scum.
hey i may be wrong about my scum reads and i'll own up to that but you were proved wrong multiple times and even attempted to twist the wiki to match your viewpoint and then you just drop it? :lol:

Nope. You're still being what you were yesterday. I was going by my understanding from what I received in my role pm.there is nothing wrong about that.
It will be wrong If i continue to believe even after the legitimate confirmation from MOD about how Jail Keeper works in his game.
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Post Post #2478 (isolation #152) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:21 am

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In post 2473, TwoFace wrote:
In post 2464, ArcAngel9 wrote:No. Nero is town
based on what exactly?

Meta. I could be wrong too but he isn't something we need to worry today.
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Post Post #2484 (isolation #153) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:26 am

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In post 2480, MortFeld wrote:Why are you worried about my reads in 993 Chaos? As far as I'm concerned I'm conftown at this point unless you think I was willing to help lead the lynch of the mafia Strongman.

I agree. We need to focus on how we are going to work things out tonight. Do you suggest that we should go MASS Claim today?

I still don't believe Chaos is 100% town. The fail kill by mafia is ideal doom for their team. It is an exceptional play if Chaos is baiting his scum mate to get town cred as confirmed cop. In my opinion, He is not confirmed to me yet.


I suggest mass claim, what your thoughts. ?
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Post Post #2487 (isolation #154) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:28 am

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GO MASS CLAIM TODAY. IT HELPS TO SPECULATE THE SETUP and nails down the options on scum hunting
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Post Post #2490 (isolation #155) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:29 am

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In post 2485, MortFeld wrote:What would massclaim accomplish?

Because I don't believe Chaos claim. If there are more PR roles, It proves that Chaos & Toto are working together as scum and staged this whole thing.
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Post Post #2496 (isolation #156) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:33 am

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In post 2489, TwoFace wrote:the only claim we need is toto's claim

Fair enough. Two Possibilities.

1)
Toto try to kill Chaos last night but failed
Chaos targetted Toto and got scum result


2) Toto & Chaos are scum together
Chaos fake claimed on D1.
Toto kill on someone else was failed. they both know that I jailed Toto. Chaos decided to bait him to win town cred so that he will live till lylo without being suspected
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Post Post #2505 (isolation #157) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:38 am

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In post 2492, MortFeld wrote:I don't see why the massclaim has to be today. If it's a good idea, it is just as valuable tomorrow since we're lynching scum today.

We need to know how we are going to run show tonight.

I hope you're seeing things the way I am.


I still don't believe Chaos claim. why did Chaos targets Toto last night instead of me if he is really the COP?

And Scum kill didn't go through which is enough for scum to know that I have jailed TOTO and the result is failed. They are well aware that I will check with TF about his kill and confirm my night actions which will directly point TOTO being the mafia killer.

Chaos could be using this opportunity to bait his mate so that he will easy town-cred

the reason why I am screaming for MASS claims. If there are more PR's in the group. It will become easy to speculate the setup and would know for sure that someone may be faking about their role because this is a Normal game and balance means everything to the setup.
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Post Post #2506 (isolation #158) » Tue Nov 22, 2016 5:40 am

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Mort - Read my post. Please see why I am saying what I am saying.
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Post Post #2601 (isolation #159) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:27 am

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I jail kept "RB"

I somehow thought that he is our last scum. So this confirms that He is Town.
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Post Post #2602 (isolation #160) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:28 am

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In post 2587, ChaosOmega wrote:Nothing to claim in regards to a result.

How is it possible? Who did you target?
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Post Post #2604 (isolation #161) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 4:30 am

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Why would scum choose to kill a VIG when they could kill COP?

Would you guys believe my theory on Chaos being scum and baiting Toto to win town-cred?
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Post Post #2608 (isolation #162) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 5:17 am

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In post 2606, MortFeld wrote:
In post 2605, MortFeld wrote:
In post 2604, ArcAngel9 wrote:Why would scum choose to kill a VIG when they could kill COP?

Would you guys believe my theory on Chaos being scum and baiting Toto to win town-cred?
I don't know if it's necessary to consider this yet, but I am keeping it in mind for later. Hard bussing when you lost a buddy Day 1 and you just had a nightkill prevented feels off.
Oh, not necessarily. scum!Chaos would know that Arc JKd Toto so he definitely could have outed Toto preemptively, knowing Arc would out Toto eventually.

Exactly what I have been saying since last day phase. And No results from him today betters my case.

Chaos is kind of player who is bold enough to bait his scum mate.
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Post Post #2616 (isolation #163) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:05 am

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In post 2612, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 2604, ArcAngel9 wrote:Why would scum choose to kill a VIG when they could kill COP?

Would you guys believe my theory on Chaos being scum and baiting Toto to win town-cred?
here is a better question; Where is The vig shot? beacuse kill actions happen at the same time we should have two dead... wait I think I know what happened thinking on it

Paranoid TF shot RB because OFC he did. But they was jailed.
Your case is futile. Chaos didn't say who did he target. He just said that there is no result. Doesn't that ring you bell?

How do you know that Chaos and scum both targeted the same person? If Chaos really targeted anyone, the first thing he would have said that his target got night killed.
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Post Post #2619 (isolation #164) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:08 am

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In post 2612, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 2604, ArcAngel9 wrote:Why would scum choose to kill a VIG when they could kill COP?

Would you guys believe my theory on Chaos being scum and baiting Toto to win town-cred?
here is a better question; Where is The vig shot? beacuse kill actions happen at the same time we should have two dead... wait I think I know what happened thinking on it

Paranoid TF shot RB because OFC he did. But they was jailed.
So you have a theory and you believe it so strongly and you don't believe why i think Chaos is still scum?

And Isn't that good that I chose on my own to jail RB? If TF indeed shot RB then i just saved a townie. TF death confirms that RB can't be scum.
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Post Post #2622 (isolation #165) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:10 am

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In post 2617, Naomi-Tan wrote:Are you trying to say that The cop would target the Vig? Why the fuck would he target a town read?? what is WRong with you URGHHHHHHH >_<

Calm down. Listen to my case too.

How do you know that Chaos is Cop? Becuase he told you or he gave confirmation on Toto?
there is a good choice that Chaos could be hard bussing his scum to save himself and gain huge town-cred to survive till lylo.

I remember someone mentioning that if Chaos is really cop, He wouldn't survive till DAY 3. And he still lives..and we are at D3
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Post Post #2623 (isolation #166) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:12 am

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In post 2621, Naomi-Tan wrote:'I think the Cop is a Red. beacuse they are not doing so well with talking'

"Thats you, thats how dumb you sound" - GLaDOS Portal 1

Calling someone dumb doesn't make you smart. your rage doesn't help.

Think for a minute, why would scum let cop live till D2? when they could kill him on day 1?

Doesn't it ring a bell?
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Post Post #2624 (isolation #167) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:13 am

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In post 2620, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 2619, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 2612, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 2604, ArcAngel9 wrote:Why would scum choose to kill a VIG when they could kill COP?

Would you guys believe my theory on Chaos being scum and baiting Toto to win town-cred?
here is a better question; Where is The vig shot? beacuse kill actions happen at the same time we should have two dead... wait I think I know what happened thinking on it

Paranoid TF shot RB because OFC he did. But they was jailed.
So you have a theory and you believe it so strongly and you don't believe why i think Chaos is still scum?

And Isn't that good that I chose on my own to jail RB? If TF indeed shot RB then i just saved a townie. TF death confirms that RB can't be scum.
Please... just stop... your theory is the dumbest thing >_< Why would you conciser killing a cop PR that has found a red before the last few days is the worst thing >_<
Your derping. Stop it
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Post Post #2628 (isolation #168) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:20 am

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In post 2625, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 2622, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 2617, Naomi-Tan wrote:Are you trying to say that The cop would target the Vig? Why the fuck would he target a town read?? what is WRong with you URGHHHHHHH >_<

Calm down. Listen to my case too.

How do you know that Chaos is Cop? Becuase he told you or he gave confirmation on Toto?
there is a good choice that Chaos could be hard bussing his scum to save himself and gain huge town-cred to survive till lylo.

I remember someone mentioning that if Chaos is really cop, He wouldn't survive till DAY 3. And he still lives..and we are at D3
GAhhhhhhhhhhhhh >_< >_< >_<

Okay For another time. He told us at the start of D2 that toto was red. He also said it before you gave any confirmation on the point. Which means he knew before you knew. That being the case he must be green or killed his partner with no warning and when there wasn't red reads of him really, the fact he lives just shows that the Reds are gambling that your paranoia will convince everyone to lynch them >_<

Are you a blonde? Why don't you get it?. Mort - Can you help me here please.

Chaos confirming Toto being scum supports my case on him because he knew that Jail Keeper lodged him up and I will come and convicts him. So he has decided to bait his scum mate and get a town-cred that he is a confirmed COP. This is called HARD BUSSING. Only someone very experienced on mafiascum.net pull a play like this. and this is not new to me, I have seen scum has done things far worse than this because I myself have done like this get away from town.
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Post Post #2629 (isolation #169) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:20 am

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Nero may be a lousy player but i guess he is not our last scum.
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Post Post #2630 (isolation #170) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:22 am

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In post 2626, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 2623, ArcAngel9 wrote:
In post 2621, Naomi-Tan wrote:'I think the Cop is a Red. beacuse they are not doing so well with talking'

"Thats you, thats how dumb you sound" - GLaDOS Portal 1

Calling someone dumb doesn't make you smart. your rage doesn't help.

Think for a minute, why would scum let cop live till D2? when they could kill him on day 1?

Doesn't it ring a bell?
Wanna know why there alive. Cause TF was gonna shoot the last red N2 and you blocked the shot N1. Knowing your about to die the only chance you have is to kill the killer and hope they don't go with towns plan like every other PR didn't.

I am not understanding what you're saying. there is no logic. I wasn't blocking TF. I was blocking RB. And TF is still dead so that confirms that RB is town.
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Post Post #2633 (isolation #171) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:33 am

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In post 2631, Naomi-Tan wrote:He didn't though. there could of been a Doc. he could also been shooting HS we don't know do we? Also theres the fact that red claiming to be cop D1 when there could be another cop in the game. Just vote Nero.. You can jail them if your that bloody paranoid and when another person is dead tomorrow you can enjoy feeling like a moron. or be dead.



PEDIT: You Blocked RB. Reds Shot TF. Why shoot a Vig over a cop; Because according to the town consensus of where power roles should be used. TF is about to shoot you. Your only chance of living. to kill them and hope that they either target someone there not meant to, or they are jailed or your jailed. Fortunately for Nero this is what happened with TF targeting RB. Which is fortunate as you prevented that shot on a now confirmed Green.
So if there is a doctor. Won't this game is totally unbalanced? You assuming a lot of possibilities without any evidence to support you but i have more than one evidence to think why Chaos is still scum.

And stop abusing people because they didn't agree with you. You have been doing same to me right from the beginning. So should I call things that you said to me?

What if I am right and you're wrong. You should know that this is just a game. The louder you shout, the lesser i would listen. so, if you want to change my opinion, you need to pick some convincing skills and screaming like this won't work.

I don't think Nero is scum. Period.

And your logic is completely delusional. You're not a power role so you don't know what other power roles out there so stop assuming on your own. There is no other jail keeper to jail me because i am jail keeper and what i did last night was something different and it worked in town's advantage. I now have one less person to worry from my scum list. This is good news for town.
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Post Post #2634 (isolation #172) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:34 am

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In post 2632, Naomi-Tan wrote:Confirmed green; ArcAngel9 rep. ThinkBig, rb rep. DeathByWobbuffet, rep. copper223, ChaosOmega
Prob green; MortFeld, Lil Uzi Vert

Which means Red is within these 3.
Nero Cain rep. Lohikäärme
Road Kamelot rep. MisaTange
Shadow_step rep. Creeps20

Given Red Interactions with Misa and Creeps we can eliminate those two to Nero Cain being the last red. now.. move on.

Explain us where you fit in this list. How are you the confirmed town to everyone?
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Post Post #2643 (isolation #173) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:53 am

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In post 2636, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 2633, ArcAngel9 wrote:So if there is a doctor. Won't this game is totally unbalanced? You assuming a lot of possibilities without any evidence to support you but i have more than one evidence to think why Chaos is still scum.

And stop abusing people because they didn't agree with you. You have been doing same to me right from the beginning. So should I call things that you said to me?

What if I am right and you're wrong. You should know that this is just a game. The louder you shout, the lesser i would listen. so, if you want to change my opinion, you need to pick some convincing skills and screaming like this won't work.

I don't think Nero is scum. Period.

And your logic is completely delusional. You're not a power role so you don't know what other power roles out there so stop assuming on your own. There is no other jail keeper to jail me because i am jail keeper and what i did last night was something different and it worked in town's advantage. I now have one less person to worry from my scum list. This is good news for town.
Its called basic Game Theory.

We have a X-Shot Cop, A Jailer and a Vig. Reds have a Shotgun user, and a Goon and one unknown. They also don't have day talk. Unless the last Red is another goon we should have at least 1 more PR. but that doesn't matter, beacuse the point was he didn't know that information.

My logic being;
These people have been confirmed by power role usage finding red and shouldn't be looked at when there is 9 alive.
then these people have been extremely townie and been helping find reds
then these people was pushed strongly but reds more than what can be considered distancing leaving
These people might be red. however, that list is 1 person long Nero.

And to flip this on you. Why did Red!chaos shoot TF rather than yourself as the only person in the game paranoid enough to think there red. Your a power role thats prevented a kill and confirmed Green and the biggest pusher for your lynch. why would you as Red!chaos not shoot yourself. There is no reason to not.

Basic game theory? where did you pick up your basics from? Show it to me that you know for sure what you're talking about.

Because I can show you examples on the things that I am referring.

Naiomi - you're not using your head. Chaos can't kill me because the moment he does, this group will lynch him with fire because a scum team will always kill COP first. Giving more nights to cop is more risking than killing me.
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Post Post #2644 (isolation #174) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:54 am

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In post 2640, MortFeld wrote:Arc's theory is reasonable but it supports a Chaos lynch way later down the road, not today.

Chaos, I want to know who you targeted. I see no reason to keep this secret. I see only scum motivation to not tell us this in your first post.
Glad I have someone with brains in this group. :)
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Post Post #2649 (isolation #175) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:07 am

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In post 2646, Naomi-Tan wrote:I am using my head. we have a one shot Pr. a Jailer and what i'm guessing is an Odd night cop. VS 3 Reds and one strongman user. So one mafia that negates Jailor protection. which means the game would be red tilted. we was lucky with the D1 lynch and D2 lynch but this whole not killing nero thing is just urgh >_<
Why are you keep guessing that Chaos is limited or Odd night cop.

Didn't see what Mort indicating as well. Chaos is not revealing who he has targetted in his first post make no sense. He knows how to play this game. Day 2 he came back and confirmed his result with a name but Day 3 he comes back with no information and doesn't even reveal who he has targetted.

doesn't it lead you to any suspicion?
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Post Post #2651 (isolation #176) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:10 am

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In post 2648, MortFeld wrote:Is odd night cop a thing?

I'm starting to see potential town motivations for Chaos not to tell us who he targeted. I'm fine with his decision for now.

Okay Mort. So what do you think it is? I am ready to bet that i could be wrong but i want to know how you come to this consensus?

I am tired of dealing with VT's in this game. I have a suggestion that might work and even confirms if Chaos is town.

We go with no-lynch today. What do you think?
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Post Post #2652 (isolation #177) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:11 am

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In post 2650, Naomi-Tan wrote:Fun Fact; Nero Didn't post at all for the entire duration of D2 and has yet to post today as well (despite being active on the forums if you look up his posts done)

PEDIT: He said he had some kinda limit on his ability and didn't use it last night. (thus no result) it would make sense to be a Odd night limit else why not claim 1 shot or D1 only.

And you were sure that Nero is scum, If he hasn't been around, How did he manage to submit his night kill?
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Post Post #2658 (isolation #178) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:17 am

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In post 2654, MortFeld wrote:^ This is actually a question. I don't know a lot of the theory surrounding PRs.

I don't disagree. It's a good bet but there is something i don't feel good about this.

Anyway, I suggest we go "No Lynch" today so that we don't lynch a townie. what do you think?

I will have Chaos confirmed tomorrow. If Chaos is not scum, I won't survive tonight.
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Post Post #2659 (isolation #179) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:18 am

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In post 2657, Naomi-Tan wrote:Okay i'm gonna put this out there; the only counter to my hard push on nero has been chaos. IS everyone in agreement that by POE only Nero, chaos and myself as possible reds? (i've auto eliminated myself but could see that POV) IF you guys are in this agreement may I suggest the following

Today we lynch nero. and jail myself (allowing the cop to get one use out if he is like I expect odd night) then D4 we can have 2 more confirmed if we don't win on the nero thing. It would mean that the next night (when the cop doesn't get an action) we can jail them to make sure im right and at that stage we will be down to the people I've eliminated or most people have (mort, Misa, Cooper and there replacements)


PEDIT; Not posting =/= being around. He is posting else where as I pointed out. he is around but not inputting at all.

Nero is not scum. You, yourself confirmed that he is possible town than scum.
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Post Post #2660 (isolation #180) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:20 am

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In post 2656, MortFeld wrote:
In post 2655, Shadow_step wrote:I knew he could be odd night cop or have a non consecutive modifier. Which is why I was shush about it you guys just love giving info to scum.
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[WIFOM] Obviously if he's scum he could be using this to prevent himself from being backed into a corner with results.
Which is exactly why we should follow my suggestion.

We could solve this riddle without mislynching a townie today. And you will have a two confirm townies in your list to continue on.
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Post Post #2673 (isolation #181) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:37 am

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Mort - you want to take a risk of lynching someone town?

You and I know very well that I won't survive tonight and I want to confirm if Chaos is really town or not.

If we go through no lynch today, On D4 you will have Chaos is confirmed town, RB confirmed town.

You will be left with Naomi, Liz, RK, Nero and yourself to know who is scum among you.

OR

If the chaos is scum, even better. the game is over. We will bag a perfect town lynch victory.
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Post Post #2677 (isolation #182) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:41 am

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In post 2672, MortFeld wrote:This would all be solved if we jailed RK instead of rb.
How? Explain please.
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Post Post #2678 (isolation #183) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:42 am

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In post 2676, ChaosOmega wrote:Yeah, no lynching today is dumb. We're on odd numbers and our vig is dead.

And it seems like it's out there at this point, so yes, I'm an odd-night cop.

Arc, do not jail me tonight. You'll be the NK tonight, I'll be the NK N4, and they'll be no other confirmed townies. You verify someone as town even if you die tonight as long as you declare your target beforehand. If scum want to kill me to prevent my investigation, you can check two people before you die. If they kill you, I get to clear someone/find the last scum.

Who did you target last night Chaos? Please answer this.
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Post Post #2683 (isolation #184) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:52 am

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Fair enough

Go with RK lynch today. Nero is town. If he is scum he wouldn't throw this game like this.

I will not jail Chaos.

but Mort, If Chaos is scum, you will not have anyone to confirm his status anymore. I am as good as dead after this day.

And lets also talk who I am going to Jail tonight.

Why are we not talking about LIZ? I am worried when we have a neutral player.
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Post Post #2685 (isolation #185) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 7:54 am

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VOTE: RK

Now off from Nero wagon please.
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Post Post #2689 (isolation #186) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 8:01 am

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In post 2687, Naomi-Tan wrote:I'm arc I'm gonna use my PR on someone who EVERYONE IS TOWN READING WASTING A CONFIRMATION. Oh no they was town. what a MOTHER FUCKING TWIST. Oh I guess I'll town read the only person REDS WAS NOT PUSHING FOR ON THE TIMES THEY WAS ALIVE BECAUSE ACTIVELY LURKING (Confirmed by mod not poking) IS TOTALLY AN OKAY THING TO DO! OH AND WATCH OUT FOR THE COP THAT FOUND RED BECAUSE THEY LIVED! oh AND BEACUSE I VOTED THE PERSON THE REDS WAS PUSHING AFTER BEING SHOWN THEY WAS PUSHING IT, THAT TOTALLY STOPS THE TOTALLY SCUM DRIVEN PUSH ON THE ONE PERSON WHO THERE NOT ON >_<


FJBNASOGNEO[GNBZSDOLPFVBNIBNKDA >_< arc OH MY GOD YOU SUCK!

Mod - I am reporting this post. Please take this up to List mod
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Post Post #2706 (isolation #187) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 8:50 am

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I am going to ignore discussions with Naomi. this player officially doesn't understand the concept of team play. She is narrow minded and only want to cling on to her style.
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Post Post #2707 (isolation #188) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 8:52 am

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In post 2694, ChaosOmega wrote:Alright, there are 9 people in this game:

1 confirmed town (rb)
2 claimed PRs (Arc, Chaos)
6 others

Of the 6 others, we lynch one today, investigate one tonight, and jail one tonight. 3 others, 7 alive D4. Presumably, Arc is dead at this point. We lynch the 3 others D4, D5, D6, and that's the game. If I am alive D6, I get added to the other pool, but I get another investigation to clear another player. If Arc is kept alive to D6, she clears so many people it's not funny.

If the last scum wants to concede and end this shitshow of a game, I don't blame you.

Why would scum kill me when you are the ODD COP. It's more dangerous for the scum if they let you live at this point.

Or if you survive the night. This team should lynch you. If not. GG scum.
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Post Post #2709 (isolation #189) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 8:56 am

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I wanted to know Chaos motive when he says i am as good as dead. How does scum know that Chaos won't target them?

I am still stuck thinking that Chaos is playing us all this while. He is a capable player. I see these things happen in mafia scum.
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Post Post #2712 (isolation #190) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:02 am

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I want to Jail Naomi

I am okay lynching RK today. I know you don't believe me or I could be wrong too but Nero could be town. He is a lousy lab sometimes and lurking all day phase is not enough to say he is scum. So lets him park until tomorrow.

If not Nero, who else you suggest that i should JAIL?
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Post Post #2713 (isolation #191) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:03 am

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In post 2712, ArcAngel9 wrote:I want to Jail Naomi
I meant i don't want to jail Naomi. She is not helpful even if we can confirm her as town.
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Post Post #2715 (isolation #192) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:06 am

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What's your thoughts on LIZ? Do you see benefits If I could confirm him tonight?
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Post Post #2716 (isolation #193) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:08 am

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I don't want to jail Naomi because I don't think she is scum either Nero.

I want to confirm players from least town to strong town. this will help us narrow down the scum.
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Post Post #2717 (isolation #194) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:08 am

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And gives me better chance to hit the scum.
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Post Post #2724 (isolation #195) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 9:28 am

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Nero lynch not happening today. I am okay with RK

Nero - Stop stalling. Come back and play.
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Post Post #2778 (isolation #196) » Thu Nov 24, 2016 6:41 pm

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I am not around for 24 hours. I am okay lynching RK. Go ahead.
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Post Post #2876 (isolation #197) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:14 am

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In post 2873, MortFeld wrote:
In post 2872, rb wrote:mort who are we voting today?
Probably Nero, if not Nero then RK. Very long ball on Naomi.

I don't think Nero is scum. I can confirm it tomorrow. I can jail keep him tonight.
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Post Post #2878 (isolation #198) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:23 am

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I don't care what you do. You are you village idiot.
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Post Post #2880 (isolation #199) » Sun Nov 27, 2016 8:39 am

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In post 2879, Naomi-Tan wrote:
In post 2878, ArcAngel9 wrote:I don't care what you do. You are you village idiot.
So... if im correct.. your VI?

So youre also stubborn. Acting like 4 years.
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