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There's no hinting involved. His town meta does look scummy. So does his scum meta. Hence why I want to get a read there. Come on JarJar.In post 97, JarJarDrinks wrote:
ALso agree that this hop on from murdercats looks shitty. But I'm not reading it as opportunistic. I think it's a bus.In post 56, MURDERCAT wrote:VOTE: Iraonvp
I think I will always think you are scum in every game. Let's wagon this so I can get a read here please.
I feel like this is a post designed to look like he wants to vote Ira, but he's subtlety hinting that Ira's town meta looks scummy.-
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Lol holy shit, are you scum dude?In post 108, JarJarDrinks wrote:Murdercats vote isn't really opportunistic though. It's just how he voted was slimy as F. He's basically calling it a policy vote but pretending it isn't.-
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sick I'm town gj.
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Shit like this is why I think you look scummy. That makes no fucking sense.In post 145, iraonavp wrote:It's like there's a disconnect between what MURDERCAT thinks and what he posts.
If he thinks I appear scum-aligned regardless of my alignment, he wouldn't say I looked suspicious, he would say I looked null.-
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mhmm
I'm going to marathon, please find town reads on me by then, thanks.-
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lolIn post 164, Accountant wrote:Pushing on MURDER is easy-
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Just because you think someone is bad doesn't meant they are scum. I understand this vote, but I feel like he's probably town who isn't reading well.
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This is lazy scumhunting. Why is that more likely to come from scum?In post 290, Trivium wrote:"You're right, this is my scum play" Strikes me as scummy. That's a defense. "Welp lynch me" Is the same thing. Defensive scum play. Also the quote change thing seems like he's caring too much about what he's saying and how he's saying it.-
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Sounds like an NAI playstyle thing to me. I will use fake anger as a tool as any alignment.In post 305, Trivium wrote:
This is a lazy question. I think it's kind of obvious, but I guess I'll elaborate. The quote change posts struck me as if he was thinking too much about how he was putting his words, especially on a post that looked like it was trying to be townie by saying he didn't give a shit what the other person had to say or whatever, which not only is pretty irritating but also LAMIST. "You're right, this is my scum play" and "Welp, lynch me" is the sort of posts that mafioso has been putting out repetitively, in a kind of baiting manner. From all the games I've played, that type of "welp, lynch me" always comes from scum. It's scum trying to act townie by trying to make it obvious that they don't care about being lynched, which while it is townie when done sparsely, if it's repetitive like this it's scummy.In post 303, MURDERCAT wrote:
This is lazy scumhunting. Why is that more likely to come from scum?In post 290, Trivium wrote:"You're right, this is my scum play" Strikes me as scummy. That's a defense. "Welp lynch me" Is the same thing. Defensive scum play. Also the quote change thing seems like he's caring too much about what he's saying and how he's saying it.-
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This is an Accountant playstyle thing.In post 306, Tam wrote:Accountant seems to have just suddenly stepped in the game and literally gone for the nearest bare throat he saw, and has Iraon locked in his sights. The attack on him seems very direct and very forced somehow. As far as I can tell, the whole suspicion thing on Iraon was just him and trivium bumping heads slightly and he didn't seem to answer things quite right. I have gotten stuck in this trap myself so I agree that he probably just reads formal and maybe a tad awkward, but it could also be nervousness & defensiveness if he is bad. I don't really have a good read on him yet, but I do find it extremely weird that Accountant jumped on him like that and just won't let up. Accountant, can you shed some light on why you are so quick to jump on Iraon? You seem quite eager.-
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Well no, you think he's scum. I think he's town who looks like scum (aka bad).In post 317, Bacde wrote:
I don't think he's bad???In post 272, MURDERCAT wrote:Just because you think someone is bad doesn't meant they are scum. I understand this vote, but I feel like he's probably town who isn't reading well.
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+1In post 319, Bacde wrote:EPM is town guys stop pushing ppl for having a playstyle you are unwilling to attempt to understand-
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I'd encourage you to go look at a town game of his.In post 323, Bacde wrote:he's not actually scumhunting thats why his posts come across as lazy scumhunting fyi-
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That post was totally nullIn post 325, Bacde wrote:well at least you are town =] what's up-
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Yes, but I want to do it well, so not for a few hours.In post 343, Accountant wrote:When you say Triv is town who looks like scum that means Triv has done stuff that:
1) looks scummy, but
2) is actually town
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I've been trying out new styles recently as my day 1's are pretty bad. Here is me attempting to meta. I don't know if I will actually stick with these reads, but I figured I would try this and see how I did at the end of the game:
Spoiler: Bacde (probably town)
Spoiler: JarJarDrinks (null town)
Spoiler: evilpacman18 (null town)
Spoiler: Trivium (Scum lean)
Spoiler: Accountant (probably town)
Spoiler: Town Mafioso (null)
Spoiler: Xkfyu (null)
Spoiler: I Am Innocent (null)
Spoiler: iraonavp (scum lean)
Spoiler: Tam (null)
My reads list based on gut (which is what I normally use) is something like:
{Bacde, Accountant, EP}
{Triv, TM}
{Tam, IAI, iraonavp, Xkfyu}
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In post 353, JarJarDrinks wrote:Also, MC:
Can you point out exactly what you think it is that I'm misrepresenting?In post 133, MURDERCAT wrote:
There's no hinting involved. His town meta does look scummy. So does his scum meta. Hence why I want to get a read there. Come on JarJar.In post 97, JarJarDrinks wrote:
ALso agree that this hop on from murdercats looks shitty. But I'm not reading it as opportunistic. I think it's a bus.In post 56, MURDERCAT wrote:VOTE: Iraonvp
I think I will always think you are scum in every game. Let's wagon this so I can get a read here please.
I feel like this is a post designed to look like he wants to vote Ira, but he's subtlety hinting that Ira's town meta looks scummy.In post 135, MURDERCAT wrote:
Lol holy shit, are you scum dude?In post 108, JarJarDrinks wrote:Murdercats vote isn't really opportunistic though. It's just how he voted was slimy as F. He's basically calling it a policy vote but pretending it isn't.-
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In post 11, Trivium wrote:
Why do you think I should? How would that move the game along? Obviously I'm trying to pressure you, so isn't that how I should be moving the game along?In post 10, iraonavp wrote:That's precisely why I voted evilpacman18, to move the game forward and maybe learn something.
A better question would be: why aren't you voting evilpacman18? I think you should..In post 38, Trivium wrote:You better start talking about what's going on, scum.
Just a few examples. These are all things that feel like fake scum hunting that could also easily come from bad town. Like these all ping me in a gut way until I really analyze them and decide they could easily come from town too.In post 70, Trivium wrote:
Early game townbloc is the stupidest idea since the backwards toilet paper roll. Sure, it would be nice, but you don't know who's town and who's not. Or at least, you shouldn't. Also, please back up your statements with reasoning and stuff. VOTE: MafiosoIn post 68, Town Mafioso wrote:If its a scumtell vote me.
Based on what you said in 61 you dont support a lynch on your current vote.
Stop hindering my way of getting an early game townbloc
Since my meta read, I am less sure on Triv town though.
(by the way, in the Bacde spoiler above I said to look at the Triv spoiler, but I decided to do these posts differently, so now that makes no sense, because I'm calling him scum there. Really you should look here.)-
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I'm not pushing for your lynch?In post 392, Trivium wrote:My wagon is pretty bullshit. Just going to put that out there. I mean, I have a bunch of people voting me because of a gutread of Murder, who's obviously distancing themselves from my lynch by being weirdly indecisive. That beginning bit that murdercat seems all 'pinged' about is really just me fucking around to get out of rvs as fast as possible because I don't get the point of it. I'm not going to defend myself any more either, so you can either fuck off or mislynch. I don't think murdercat is mafia, but evilpacman is obviously sheeping hard and I'm just disappointed with the confirmed town.-
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True, he could definitely be scum. I need to see more before I want to lynch anyone though.In post 395, evilpacman18 wrote:
Jae what about 392 seems town to you? Feigned rage is a classic scum tacticIn post 393, JaeReed wrote:I'm not voting you for murders read on you. Don't think pacman is either.
Holy shit on that rage tho.
VOTE: Iraon
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iraon, you just say things, but you don't really explain why that thing is true. Like, why does Accountant thinking that JJD is town for post 46 make Accountant scum. Like really think about that and answer it please.-
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"Mafia has an obsession with justifying everything they do and giving long lists of reasons for doing stuff. That doesn't mean that people who justify themselves excessively are mafia, but it does mean that people who don't are town. I feel like a mafia JJD would have come up with a better reason than "sheep lol" in order to look good, which is another thing mafia are obsessed with."
Why is that wrong iraonavp.-
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In post 439, MURDERCAT wrote:Don't you think that scum is more likely to try to blend in? Don't you think it looks townie when you provide reasoning for your opinions?-
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If this:
Why:In post 448, iraonavp wrote:
Yes. Yes.In post 444, MURDERCAT wrote:In post 439, MURDERCAT wrote:Don't you think that scum is more likely to try to blend in? Don't you think it looks townie when you provide reasoning for your opinions?
In post 452, iraonavp wrote:
No.In post 451, MURDERCAT wrote:So, in your opinion, is scum more likely to post reasoning?-
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Lol I'm obv town and you know itIn post 487, JarJarDrinks wrote:Man I have too many. Even MC is looking better to me lately.-
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Here's the thing Iraon, your posts don't make sense. The questions I asked were actually all legitimate attempts to understand you position. When you just say things like "look at this it's ridiculous" that's not enough for me to know if you are town or scum. Understandingwhyyou think it is ridiculous is what I need from you. I see you think it's wifom, but do you really think that scum is going to act scummy to wifom? Isn't scum's goal to try to look townie?-
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Let's try this again. What evidence do you have that makes you think I don't really think I'm obviously town-aligned?In post 501, iraonavp wrote:
This is an extremely scum-aligned post and even if I wasn't reading MURDERCAT as scum-aligned already I would be.In post 492, MURDERCAT wrote:
Lol I'm obv town and you know itIn post 487, JarJarDrinks wrote:Man I have too many. Even MC is looking better to me lately.
He doesn't really think that he's obviously town-aligned, this is early day 1 and multiple people have been trying to lynch him. It's entirely bluster...-
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I am saying that because IIn post 504, Trivium wrote:
I need to elaborate on this because I really want to drive the message home- Don't say you're obvious town. Last game I played we had a mafia member constantly assert they were obvious town until everybody just believed them, and I don't want the fact that the IC thinks you're town to create a scum win for you. I townread you, but don't do this.In post 494, Trivium wrote:
NO. NOT THIS. ANYTHING BUT THIS.In post 492, MURDERCAT wrote:
Lol I'm obv town and you know itIn post 487, JarJarDrinks wrote:Man I have too many. Even MC is looking better to me lately.amobvious town. And I will continue to say it, if I wish to poke fun at people who know it's true but are pretending I am not as townie as I actually am.-
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Lol. You can read me however you want for whatever reasons you want, but there's a reason everyone is town reading me.In post 515, Trivium wrote:
This needs to stop right the fuck now. I am not having this happen again. Explain why you're townie. I can't believe I'm agreeing with the grasping for straws iraonscum.In post 510, MURDERCAT wrote:
I am saying that because IIn post 504, Trivium wrote:
I need to elaborate on this because I really want to drive the message home- Don't say you're obvious town. Last game I played we had a mafia member constantly assert they were obvious town until everybody just believed them, and I don't want the fact that the IC thinks you're town to create a scum win for you. I townread you, but don't do this.In post 494, Trivium wrote:
NO. NOT THIS. ANYTHING BUT THIS.In post 492, MURDERCAT wrote:
Lol I'm obv town and you know itIn post 487, JarJarDrinks wrote:Man I have too many. Even MC is looking better to me lately.amobvious town. And I will continue to say it, if I wish to poke fun at people who know it's true but are pretending I am not as townie as I actually am.-
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Iraon you may very well be town. You need to prove it to me though. The number 1 most important part of being town is not being mislynch, NOT catching scum. If all of town avoids being mislynched then town will have a perfect win. The way you prove you are town is by walking everyone through your thoughts and why they make sense.-
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