Mini 1800 - Game Over

[Firebringer]

I have not read anything.
But I am town, which is shitty for the town.

Anyways, whats the case on Johnny right now?

Consider me not reading much right now. If at all?
I will try to be pretty active though.

[Firebringer]

Wait going to do a quick iso of him.

Also some cool people are here!!!
Hi MATHBLADE!
Hi Masquerade!

And Persivul who I now am not on enemy terms with, but I don't know if thats mutual.

[Firebringer]

Okay, not much really in that quick go through of iso.
The things I could see being him scum were his actions regarding other players which seemed kind of buddy/extremely friendly attitude, at least in the beginning, it kind of drops off a little with some apathetic attitute later in the day.

That oculd just be player/mood at the time, but it kind of seems actually scummy. I could hammer this.
Anyone else want to go into that?

@Mod do we get anymore extensions or is the deadline correct in vc

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Then it kind of sounds like a policy lynch off him being not really playing the game.
I am not 100% agains that, but I would like something substantial.

You agree with my initial thoughts he was kind of being maybe too friendly with players in the beginning phase (again could be nothing), but things like when a player replace out being extremely nice I find scum do more often then town (Kind of terrible reasoning).

Meh, I might have to read everything >.>>

[Firebringer]

Hey Firebringer! Thanks for replacing in. You're going to want to read Chumba and Bulge at minimum as they replaced into the same slot. Responses coming to rest now. A

Didn't I replace into those slots? WHy would I read my predecessor posts?

[Firebringer]

Math why did you think I should be reading predecessor posts?
BTW HI!!!!!! (again lol)

Yeah, I am not liking my own reasoning on Johnny 100%. Ill have to reread him.
Any guys you want me to ISO either of you?

[Firebringer]

VOTE: Dierfire

[Firebringer]

Why? And what are your reads since replacing in?

What do you think about end of the day?

I didn't really examine much mathblade. I checked immediately seeing the flip of wingback who they massively scumread and voted that person. Seems like a good direction for the day.

[Firebringer]

What is up with replacements not reading/examining things. This is bad. This must stop.
A vote without reasons makes me suspect Dierfire might be being set up. You can post something resembling an argument right?

You could only suspect a setup if I am scum here Math....
Think for a minute. Why are people killed....
Seriously, doesn't take a genius to tell you that scum kill threats to them.

Also, I am in too many games to read everything I miss when I sub in. I can approach it three ways honestly. I can say I will read everything and then don't do it (I kind of did that already), I can not read it and just be proactive and interact with players to analyze them now (Which I do much better at I think), or replace out and someone else who likely won't read it or be active enough can take my place.

I like the players want more involvement, but seriously from my perspective its annoying to read hundreds of wall posts when I am in 10+ games.

[Firebringer]

I investigated persivul. No result. Either I got roleblocked, or persivul got jailed.

You sure you aren't just full of shit? Did some reading overnight to try to find Neopolitan games and I found http://forum.mafiascum.net/viewtopic.ph ... 7#p7751207

Do you want to make things easy and rescind your Neopolitan claim so you don't have to lie about no results anymore? Hell you even said this would happen before it did. This looks like a preplanned claim to get you out of what was decided by the thread.

@Mecha -- This. This is why you fucking lynch scummy players if their claim doesn't match what they are selling.

VOTE: karnos

If we, as a thread, continue to use traditional site meta I think scum will fuck with us.

You realize there easily can be a mafia roleblocker right?

[Firebringer]

I have been scum before. They do not always kill threats to them but they kill to potentially steer mislynches. To blanketly say scum kill threats to them without considering the fact scum kill to steer conversation or even a null kill if not suspected is bad.

Again is traditional site meta that scum only kill threats to them? Dear Lord :/ Why do you think this was scum killing a threat? And if you are right who would be scum with Dierfire?

I have tried using kills to steer mislynches by "framing" people as scum. It doesn't work, id say the 4/4 times I have done it the town didn't really NK analyze so they didn't see who I was trying to frame and the threats remained and they lynched me.

So no, it might have been past meta but speaking as a perosn who has played over 100 games in the past year. Kills rarely happen to frame players. Its 80% of the time to kill a player perceived to be a pr or a threat.

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You realize if they did it would be stupid as the thread was split about announcing if a slot was a PR or not so it would have been utterly stupid for scum to roleblock Karnos. Then again I am assuming scum are intelligent. This also assumes scum have a roleblocker which there is no evidence of.

Why do people assume Karnos is telling the truth?

*finds wall...Bangs head against*

I feel like we are speaking two different languages cause 90% of this post was moon logic.

[Firebringer]

Also my gut tells me qubixes is scum here.

So my two scum reads are dierfire and qubixes

[Firebringer]

...I have to go to work. I need a break from stupidity.
1) NEVER EVER vote your town reads....EVER.
2) There were two days left. If you actually believed Johnny was town you would have been happy people moved off his wagon and considered other sources.
3) That isn't agreeing with Fire. Fire said they kill threats. I suggested steer conversation which would imply Karnos is town. If Karnos was scum Wingback is not a threat.

I want the truth. What is up with players trying to give others what they want to hear instead of the truth? The only reason I am not voting you right now after that contradictory pile of bullshit is that I want Karnos to feel some goddamn pressure so people will see if he is telling the truth or not.

1) Depends on how strong you town read someone.
2) It could be a compromise because some people are not extremely stubborn and willing to admit they could be wrong.
3) Masq said that they kill pr suspects and threats. Your last sentence doesn't make sense. Why do you keep using "steer conversation" IT DOESNT MAKE SENSE USE DIFFERENT WORDS CAUSE I DONT UNERSTAND WHAT YOU ARE TRYING TO SAY

[Firebringer]

If you would RTFT (read the fucking thread) it wouldn't be moon logic. Some players said they should only out VT results others said all of it. Either way if Karnos is town (which I really really doubt) followed the latter it doesn't implicate anyone and only helps scum to make their play more believable and give scum a proper target to kill if Karnos targets town. So I assume (maybe incorrectly) that scum have some intelligence :/

What are you trying to even say? If Karnos does out town that confirms at least one town.
You not see the incentive to fricking block or are you too wrapped up in a "this must be scum".
Show me the actual scum motivation. Not this role nonsense which you are just running theory with me.

[Firebringer]

Can we literally stop talking about actions?
Like, read the content of his posts and tell me what his motivation is. I am not going to town or scum read someone on bs claims.

[Firebringer]

Also, when I'm scum I kill the players I can't mislynch. Wingback would fall into that category for me.

This is also a strong possibility, it might not be wingback had good reads but they were just never thought off as a possible mislynch target during the days.
So that should be considered as possibility.

I don't think they were killed for being suspected of being pr though.

[Firebringer]

How about you make your own reads instead of depending on others?

This account isn't made to do work.
I have karnos at null because all thats literally happened with him so far is talk about actions (at least today i think).

[Firebringer]

Pedit: Why? Why does your gut say that? What stands out to you from today if you aren't reading the fucking thread?

It was mostly tone of his posts, lot of them seemed fake to me and none of his motivations felt like he actually cared about solving the game and was more interested in looking like he was.

I don't know, sounds kind of vague but thats what he gave off.
Just look at latest post of his when he tells masq off for voting a town read, instead of saying something like "why did you do this?" just instant criticizes it like should have known better.

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What is your stance on this? Do you believe Karnos as scum would have thought to do this the same way? Do you believe Karnos would have gotten paranoid feelings from Pers flipping scum if he knew in this game what alignment he has (if Karnos is scum he knows Pers' alignment, unless this is multiball or we have a SK, but the single kill points to singleball rn)

What does this have to do with Persivul alignment? You suggesting multiball of Pers flipping different team? Huh?

I don't know if he would or wouldn't, all I could do is put myself in his shoes and say what I would do, and its likely not claim a PR unless my ass was really on the line. My first thoughts wouldn't be Neopolitian cause I have seen town get lynched with that claim and I don't think its even a good role. I can't say what Kranos would do though cause I don't know how he operates as far as play style. His posts seem simplistic in style and in tone. Maybe its a facade but he doesn't seem like some master planner, unless his hypothetical teammates are, even so its some weird lies.

Meh, I don't think mathblade is on the target with it. I can tell by logic used by math its forced and its just self serving the bias had before with a previous read.
I would like to hear more about it, but thats my thoughts so far without doing ISO of Kranos.

[Firebringer]

I am totally willing to vote magna for just voting one of my strongest town reads (math)

[Firebringer]

Its the moon sisters!! (new nickname I thought up for both of you).
This is going to be fun.

*grabs the popcorn*

[Firebringer]

Titus ignore him.

Also you didn't say hi and I am insulted.
Just so you know I am going to buddy you and your sister all game.

[Firebringer]

You still haven't said hi to me.
Very rude Titus, I thought we was amigos.

[Firebringer]

Mod, replace me out. I cannot deal with this without at some point crossing some line and scaring people.

*gives a dragon hug to masquerade*

[Firebringer]

Who said i wasn't going to think on my own?
I was just going to be overtly friendly to you two....highly suspicious indeed!

Ill provide reads later, lets just say. Not much has changed or developed:

You and Masquerade are strongest town, and I am really hoping that Titus is town, because I like town titus.

[Firebringer]

I want one. Math just made herself really likely scum. I am going to have to vote her but I don't want to.

Hugs for all!

[Firebringer]

In seriousness Titus, your sister is pretty strong town here.
I don't know why you two always gotta not trust each other.

Really reminds me of Star Wars game I hosted on MU. You guys fought so hard, except Math thought you were like confirmed scum and tunneled you.

[Firebringer]

V/LA till the sixth because family and vacation and mafia sucks, etc, etc.

[Firebringer]

That hammer was awful someone tell me why masquerade isnt being lynched rn
VOTE: Masquerade
Hopefully someone will come talk to me I dont wanna read anymore it is hard to put myself in the mindset trying to look at the game from what the game state was at the time of the posts I was reading without being a part of it.

Eww no, Dwlee. Noes.

[Firebringer]

Reading is so painful you have no idea.
I will iso dier and see what I think.

Its cute that dwlee is going to actually read. I want to say "SUCKER!" but I stopped myself. Reading is good.
Fire = Lazy.

[Firebringer]

Prod dodge since MS was down Miss you guys Let's lynch some scum in celebration of the site being back up.

I will celebrate once we lynch a scum, then I will bring the dragon alcoholic refreshments. Its like normal alcohol, but on FIRE!

[Firebringer]

I need to think this out more, cause obviously my approach has been sucking to the wind.

[Firebringer]

Why would Fire be worried? He's not on anyone's scumlists, and if he popped back in to do whatever (defend a buddy, bus a teammate, grab some towncred) people'd be much more likely to notice him disappearing again.


I'm in that really annoying state where I have a bunch of scumreads (Dwlee, Fire, Titus, Magna) but no fucking idea how to fit them together into scumteams.

Apparently I am in everyones scum list now.

WOOT!!!

I am going to LYLO guys!

[Firebringer]

Specifically I want to hear from Dwlee (and for that matter Firebringer).

What do you want to hear from me about?
I think Titus is town, and I am unsure about almost everyone else.

[Firebringer]

@Masq - What is your viewpoint on Firebringer? If inactivity is NAI, I'm assuming you read him as neutral?

I feel like either Dwlee or Firebringer can be the third scum. Can't be both. Titus' vote on Dwlee makes me suspect Firebringer more though, now that I think about it. Her vote seems opportunistic, given that Magna has decided to vote Dwlee. She probably felt that her push on Mecha wasn't working, and sees Dwlee as the easier mislynch. Only way I can read that.

Huh?
I kind of think you are town Saru, but why was I am third scum here when you said in previous post I was town for my apathy? I am confused on that part or you jsut like 'Probably town for this, but I easily could be wrong?"

[Firebringer]

I actually think my gut might have been wrong on mathblade?
But I don't want to lynch them at same time....

ugh, I need to figure that one out soon.
Is this LYLO?

How many are left?

[Firebringer]

Are you scum? Yes or No?

Word vomit is not your forte.

Seriously, I can out vomit you. I just don't care to.

I want to see a word vommit match between you two.

Anyone else interested in that besides me?

[Firebringer]

You are in the running for scum now Saru.

Pretty sure scum is in dwlee fire Mecha saru and only one is wrong.

but Titus, I am town <3

[Firebringer]

I was sorry I never put actual more effort into the game.
Math really got me fooled in this.

I was more certain of Titus in later stages than Math, I was thinking we should lynch Karnos just because he was a undead PR, but I thought we still had mislynches? How did 2 people die that final night? Like, what?

magna meh.

[Firebringer]

Mechagoomba the

Town Motion Detector [mason]

has died

Saru, the town

Odd-Night Mason recruiter

has died

A victory condition has been achieved!

The Mafia, consisting of Mathblade, Karnos and Magna of Illusion has won!

How did 2 kills happen?

[Firebringer]

I died because I'm mason who recruited scum. Then scum killed Mecha, who happen to be my mason partner but also a motion detector.

mason recruiting scum has never resulted in a kill.
I don't believe thats normal.

At least I have never heard of it.

[Firebringer]

Mason recruiters always die if they target scum

I honestly have never heard of this till just now:

Commonly, the Masonizer will also die in the process.

Not like this on any other site.
So weird, never seen a recruiter on MS till now, and been on here a year and played so many games

[Firebringer]

No hard feelings Fire ? :$

I don't have hard feelings, I didn't put in enough effort into this game to be upset about it.

[Firebringer]

I feel like I should replace out instantly out of any game that has had a Neopolitan, its a bad role.

[Firebringer]

I feel like I should replace out instantly out of any game that has a Neopolitan, its a bad role.

Fixed.

if someone claims Neo, I am out of there!