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[JohnnyFarrar]

hey

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I didn't read shit, will probably catch up later.

anybody got scum they want me to vote?

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So Saru is obviously town. (Yes it's RapMon)

Quotebots why is Karnos scum?

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just warning you right now I'm E3 levels of drunk and seeing things like "misprepretations" in your case make me think I'm not going to like you much. I'm midway through page 4 right now, will probably break/sleep at around 10 but we'll see

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Messed that quote up. Oops

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As I read I'm sort of agreeing with you if that makes you feel better. I do sorta feel like I've accidentally replaced into a newbie game so far though so I may be about to drop some knowledge here, hold your breath

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Saru you're killing me I hope I like you so you can stay

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Hey Saru, I'm about midway through page 7 and it's dawning on me. Does this town not have a leader? Because if I replaced into this game just to die N1 I'm gonna be real tilted

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VOTE: Sickofit1138
For following a wagon. Obvscum move.

Actually completely disagree

VOTE: Kappy
RVS wagons are the best though!

Persivul, you honestly think self voting there is scummy or that just an RVS vote?

sickofit, not sure what you mean by first to post. First to post in the thread? First to vote on the Kappy wagon?

Miz isn't scum unless

a) he's better than the average player
b) Kappy is also scum

remains to be seen

Chumba, do you think self voting in RVS like that is scummy?

or ever?

I think self voting at anytime scummy and town should never do it hence my vote. He's not town imo. Look at his other posts also and it just proves he's not town. The vote hopping and name calling (which is unnecessary) are not things I see coming from town so unless somebody scum slips I'm pretty much parking here

hard and fast rules about how "one thing is scummy always" are usually the practice of -kind of- bad players, so I'm noting that about you. Town are bad/assholes all the time. Remember that for the future. I'm kind of bad and an asshole in all my games, take a look if you like.

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In all seriousness, I don't see a good target for a serious vote yet. I don't think kappy is in danger of being quick-lynched, but I don't want to be implicated if it does somehow happen while I am away.

I can see why people think you're scum. You're hedging your bets here pretty hard.

Actually Percivuls general misunderstanding and not reading the thread spells s-c-u-m-m-y to me at least

You have that backwards. People tend to be more careful as scum than as town.

I agree with this in general. (Persy you've gotten better since our last game, good to see you)

Because I'm vein pushed at by messy scum.

Per sibyl in order to play a twin game you have to read the thread and you didn't. No widom applies to this.

I barely understand this post at all I think

I'm not defending him. I'm just providing my opinion

"which is that he isn't scummy and shouldn't be lynched."

I could potentially see you deciding to defend Kappy as town, but going back on it when you're called out? Pure self-preservation.
VOTE: Chumba

I like you

In all seriousness, I don't see a good target for a serious vote yet. I don't think kappy is in danger of being quick-lynched, but I don't want to be implicated if it does somehow happen while I am away.

Your worry is about being implicated, and not the (highly unlikely) quicklynch itself?

I don't like kappy but it could just be playstyle silliness. This sounds like scum thinking.

It bothers me that this post got buried so easily, because it's 100% truth.
VOTE: karnos

hmmmm @Mech would you say you're very tunnely as town?

This is kind of funny if it's what I think it is.

If you think it's both scum on the same wagon why switch your vote from one to the other?

Interesting daystart. Sickofit's inconsistencies in his explanation of the Kappy vote stood out to me as well, as well as the omgus in response to being called out on it. Let's see where this goes.

VOTE: Sickofit1138

Also keeping an eye on whoever is genuinely questioning/voting Kappy for the RVS self-vote

using the word omgus upsets me in most situations. calling it scummy is just wrong.

At least my explanation am sense to one person.

You guys better start fishing for better scum because ou have your rod in the wrong fishing hole.

There are so many wrong hole jokes I could make right now

Of which one of the five has an excellent chance to be scum.

In a 13 player game, 3, or 23%, are usually scum. Early in D1 you can draw any five names and say one of them is probably scum. In other words, that was a really safe and meaningless observation.

Persy putting my slot on blast, I like it. (I'm actually kind of in love with my former self though, would it be weird if we hydra'd?)

Thank you karnos for reinforcing my read on you.

I don't like your vote. They'll either turn up or get replaced. Voting someone before they've turned up always just feels like a safe play for scum. Also you say kappy and sickofit are acting a little silly and

scummy

. Why vote for someone who hasn't turned up (which is pressure doing nothing, cos they haven't turned up) over someone you think has done scummy stuff?

I don't know, is not having an avatar a scumtell? More importantly, why do you ask? Cos it sounds like you want to call it a scum tell but want to know someone else will follow you first.

Miz speaking directly to my heart I like this a lot. A couple points later in this post are meh (I cut them out) but this one's neat.

It wouldn't surprise me if 2 or 3 of the scum were on my wagon, persivul saw an easy lynch, pushed on it, when questioned he gave this bitch ass wifom objective tell that if taken seriously would say I'm town. It wouldn't be a hard lynch especially if all three scum were on it.
I don't like species, look at his ISO, he just sheeped behind Percy and has added absolutely nothing to anything.

FOS

Persivul, Species

Oh god please no one agree with this I don't wanna have to explain why it's bad it'll take too long

Spoiler: Quotes go here

Thank you karnos for reinforcing my read on you.

I don't like your vote. They'll either turn up or get replaced. Voting someone before they've turned up always just feels like a safe play for scum. Also you say kappy and sickofit are acting a little silly and

scummy

. Why vote for someone who hasn't turned up (which is pressure doing nothing, cos they haven't turned up) over someone you think has done scummy stuff?

I don't know, is not having an avatar a scumtell? More importantly, why do you ask? Cos it sounds like you want to call it a scum tell but want to know someone else will follow you first.

What was controversial about your post? You were voting on a viable wagon early game. To me that just sounds like playing the game. I don't get your reasoning. You seem really oversensitive to the fact that it might implicate you.

Shady is a newbie with about a dozen posts, I was just trying to get him to add an avatar and it worked.

I don't like your vote either, do you want to fight about it? Not posting at all feels like a safe play for scum, and without a little tiny bit of pressure the hiding player can step in, make a minor observation and then hide again for awhile. If everyone had posted by now, I still might be voting for the player with the least posts, if I didn't think they posted any actual useful content.

Are you being obtuse? When I made the post, I immediately realized persivul had called out sickofit for doing virtually the same thing, and there was a bunch of back and forth on the topic. I decided I didn't want to get into that mess when I knew I would be out and unable to post. Now that I am back and able to post, bring it on

Then why ask whether it's a scumtell and not just explain why having an avatar is a good thing? It comes across as trying to get someone scumread for something that isn't scummy.

Lurking is NAI unless you have meta on a person to say otherwise. Town lurk, it happens. People can be not able to turn up for a day. People can miss game start pms. If you are later into a game and someone is showing habit of lurking, sure, try to get them more involved. More discussion is good. And it might be scumlurking afterall. But what good is putting a vote on someone who may not have looked at the game thread yet and might then start posting town without your encouragement. I think you are voting someone for something that is currently null over people you say you think have been scummy. And I think if Dierfire now turns up and is a model citizen it sounds like you are setting yourself up to get towncred from it because you were voting them to "get them to contribute".

I'm not being obtuse. I think right now you are more worried about looking good than finding scum. I think this is indicative of scum motivation. I don't think 'not being available' is a good enough reason for worrying about looking scummy because I think you could have just said you wouldn't be available for the rest of the day and not removed your vote and that would have been a fine reason not to immediately reply. You admit you were worried about being implicated by a highly unlikely event. I don't get why you would be seriously worried that happening as town. Even supposing you were I don't get why town would be worried about catching flak for persuing something they think is scummy. What is the town motivation for self preservation over hunting scum?

pedit - ooh, I do have to agree with karnos about this. I hate that line from sickofit too. Why should town stay out of your way if they think you are being scummy. Even if they turn out to be wrong isn't that what town is supposed to do?

posts like this make me wonder why this day isn't over.

You know.

OK. Considering that and a scum game of yours, my thought was that if town you'd be overly defensive and OMGUSsy. Through 125 you read to your scum meta. 126 and 130 were more townie, but still not strong. 134 and 139 make sense.
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posts like this make me wonder why Sick is still getting votes

VOTE: Sickofit1138
For following a wagon. Obvscum move.

Actually completely disagree

VOTE: Kappy
RVS wagons are the best though!

Persivul, you honestly think self voting there is scummy or that just an RVS vote?

sickofit, not sure what you mean by first to post. First to post in the thread? First to vote on the Kappy wagon?

Miz isn't scum unless

a) he's better than the average player
b) Kappy is also scum

remains to be seen

Chumba, do you think self voting in RVS like that is scummy?

or ever?

I think self voting at anytime scummy and town should never do it hence my vote. He's not town imo. Look at his other posts also and it just proves he's not town. The vote hopping and name calling (which is unnecessary) are not things I see coming from town so unless somebody scum slips I'm pretty much parking here

hard and fast rules about how "one thing is scummy always" are usually the practice of -kind of- bad players, so I'm noting that about you. Town are bad/assholes all the time. Remember that for the future. I'm kind of bad and an asshole in all my games, take a look if you like.

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In all seriousness, I don't see a good target for a serious vote yet. I don't think kappy is in danger of being quick-lynched, but I don't want to be implicated if it does somehow happen while I am away.

I can see why people think you're scum. You're hedging your bets here pretty hard.

Actually Percivuls general misunderstanding and not reading the thread spells s-c-u-m-m-y to me at least

You have that backwards. People tend to be more careful as scum than as town.

I agree with this in general. (Persy you've gotten better since our last game, good to see you)

Because I'm vein pushed at by messy scum.

Per sibyl in order to play a twin game you have to read the thread and you didn't. No widom applies to this.

I barely understand this post at all I think

I'm not defending him. I'm just providing my opinion

"which is that he isn't scummy and shouldn't be lynched."

I could potentially see you deciding to defend Kappy as town, but going back on it when you're called out? Pure self-preservation.
VOTE: Chumba

I like you

In all seriousness, I don't see a good target for a serious vote yet. I don't think kappy is in danger of being quick-lynched, but I don't want to be implicated if it does somehow happen while I am away.

Your worry is about being implicated, and not the (highly unlikely) quicklynch itself?

I don't like kappy but it could just be playstyle silliness. This sounds like scum thinking.

It bothers me that this post got buried so easily, because it's 100% truth.
VOTE: karnos

hmmmm @Mech would you say you're very tunnely as town?

This is kind of funny if it's what I think it is.

If you think it's both scum on the same wagon why switch your vote from one to the other?

Interesting daystart. Sickofit's inconsistencies in his explanation of the Kappy vote stood out to me as well, as well as the omgus in response to being called out on it. Let's see where this goes.

VOTE: Sickofit1138

Also keeping an eye on whoever is genuinely questioning/voting Kappy for the RVS self-vote

using the word omgus upsets me in most situations. calling it scummy is just wrong.

At least my explanation am sense to one person.

You guys better start fishing for better scum because ou have your rod in the wrong fishing hole.

There are so many wrong hole jokes I could make right now

Of which one of the five has an excellent chance to be scum.

In a 13 player game, 3, or 23%, are usually scum. Early in D1 you can draw any five names and say one of them is probably scum. In other words, that was a really safe and meaningless observation.

Persy putting my slot on blast, I like it.

Thank you karnos for reinforcing my read on you.

I don't like your vote. They'll either turn up or get replaced. Voting someone before they've turned up always just feels like a safe play for scum. Also you say kappy and sickofit are acting a little silly and

scummy

. Why vote for someone who hasn't turned up (which is pressure doing nothing, cos they haven't turned up) over someone you think has done scummy stuff?

I don't know, is not having an avatar a scumtell? More importantly, why do you ask? Cos it sounds like you want to call it a scum tell but want to know someone else will follow you first.

Miz speaking directly to my heart I like this a lot. A couple points later in this post are meh (I cut them out) but this one's neat.

It wouldn't surprise me if 2 or 3 of the scum were on my wagon, persivul saw an easy lynch, pushed on it, when questioned he gave this bitch ass wifom objective tell that if taken seriously would say I'm town. It wouldn't be a hard lynch especially if all three scum were on it.
I don't like species, look at his ISO, he just sheeped behind Percy and has added absolutely nothing to anything.

FOS

Persivul, Species

Oh god please no one agree with this I don't wanna have to explain why it's bad it'll take too long

Spoiler: Quotes go here

Thank you karnos for reinforcing my read on you.

I don't like your vote. They'll either turn up or get replaced. Voting someone before they've turned up always just feels like a safe play for scum. Also you say kappy and sickofit are acting a little silly and

scummy

. Why vote for someone who hasn't turned up (which is pressure doing nothing, cos they haven't turned up) over someone you think has done scummy stuff?

I don't know, is not having an avatar a scumtell? More importantly, why do you ask? Cos it sounds like you want to call it a scum tell but want to know someone else will follow you first.

What was controversial about your post? You were voting on a viable wagon early game. To me that just sounds like playing the game. I don't get your reasoning. You seem really oversensitive to the fact that it might implicate you.

Shady is a newbie with about a dozen posts, I was just trying to get him to add an avatar and it worked.

I don't like your vote either, do you want to fight about it? Not posting at all feels like a safe play for scum, and without a little tiny bit of pressure the hiding player can step in, make a minor observation and then hide again for awhile. If everyone had posted by now, I still might be voting for the player with the least posts, if I didn't think they posted any actual useful content.

Are you being obtuse? When I made the post, I immediately realized persivul had called out sickofit for doing virtually the same thing, and there was a bunch of back and forth on the topic. I decided I didn't want to get into that mess when I knew I would be out and unable to post. Now that I am back and able to post, bring it on

Then why ask whether it's a scumtell and not just explain why having an avatar is a good thing? It comes across as trying to get someone scumread for something that isn't scummy.

Lurking is NAI unless you have meta on a person to say otherwise. Town lurk, it happens. People can be not able to turn up for a day. People can miss game start pms. If you are later into a game and someone is showing habit of lurking, sure, try to get them more involved. More discussion is good. And it might be scumlurking afterall. But what good is putting a vote on someone who may not have looked at the game thread yet and might then start posting town without your encouragement. I think you are voting someone for something that is currently null over people you say you think have been scummy. And I think if Dierfire now turns up and is a model citizen it sounds like you are setting yourself up to get towncred from it because you were voting them to "get them to contribute".

I'm not being obtuse. I think right now you are more worried about looking good than finding scum. I think this is indicative of scum motivation. I don't think 'not being available' is a good enough reason for worrying about looking scummy because I think you could have just said you wouldn't be available for the rest of the day and not removed your vote and that would have been a fine reason not to immediately reply. You admit you were worried about being implicated by a highly unlikely event. I don't get why you would be seriously worried that happening as town. Even supposing you were I don't get why town would be worried about catching flak for persuing something they think is scummy. What is the town motivation for self preservation over hunting scum?

pedit - ooh, I do have to agree with karnos about this. I hate that line from sickofit too. Why should town stay out of your way if they think you are being scummy. Even if they turn out to be wrong isn't that what town is supposed to do?

posts like this make me wonder why this day isn't over.

You know.

OK. Considering that and a scum game of yours, my thought was that if town you'd be overly defensive and OMGUSsy. Through 125 you read to your scum meta. 126 and 130 were more townie, but still not strong. 134 and 139 make sense.
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posts like this make me wonder why Sick is still getting votes

Mobile post: sorry, connectivity issues, back within 24 hours!

That is about exactly what I didn't want to see. Nothing useful. Luckily for you, Mizzytastic is defending this style of play.

Yes, of course it's NAI. Am I supposed to accept that some players can hide their alignment by not posting or posting insignificant notes like the above and just give them a free pass?

Since my vote isn't doing anything as far as pressure thanks to Mizzy, and I don't expect to see another post from dierfire for awhile, I'll just try this.

VOTE: Kappy

We are past the RVS silliness, what are your serious reads now? Based on your read list, you rate sickofit and chumba as scummier, yet you are still voting persivul, any reason why?

the thing about this post that's really bugging me is your willingness to call lurking NAI but still trying to make it seem scummy. Like a "I agree with you, get off my back. (also I'm still gonna throw shade at him for it)"

That makes the second person in this game who seems to have reading comprehension issues.

If you see one asshole on the street, he's an asshole. If everyone you see is an asshole, maybe you're the asshole.

Wow, this game is moving rather fast. I guess it's a good sing, though I hope I slows a bit down, so I can keep up!

Anyway, about sick. I am not too worried about this whole "lying" thing. It seems like a rather stupid thing to consciously lie about. I rather disliked his defense and also his attack on persivul with the attempt at a 1v1. However, I think that at this point it's more of a stylistic dislike than something that points to an actual scumread of him. That said, I'm not willing to give him a town pass either yet. With that:

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If I read correctly, there are 3 people with some votes on the apart from sickofit: Persivul, Kappy and karnos.

I don't get the attacks in the direction of Persivul. I think he has been trying to move the game forward, while being honest and reasonable about it. Of course, scum can (and should) be reasonable too, but so far I haven't seen anything to convince me that Persivul is mafia.

I have some serious issues with Kappy's play so far. Most of which has been pointed out so far (and some that I think has not). At this point he is my strongest scum read. I'm not sure at how many votes he is right now, so I'll refrain from voting him right now. Interested to see how he will react to the pressure.

I also have some problems with karnos' play so far. 171 rings some serious scum bells in my head, and his previous posts are not much better imo. Now I think about it some more, I think karnos is probably a stronger read than Kappy.

VOTE: karnos

Feeling pretty tired today, so I don't think I'll be posting much more today. I'll be generally posting more in the weekends I suspect, just as a general guideline.

you're picking from those who already have votes? Why? also voting your second biggest scumread? don't like this one bit.

{Percy, Mizzy} - I know some people don't like him, but Percy seems towny. Mizzy's posts 123 and 128 struck me as great.
{Goomba, Chumba} - Chumba was originally moderate scum for his constant defense that seemed like trying to escape suspicion, but recently he's been helping town.
{qubixes, karnos, Dierfire, Shady, Snork} - Dierfire if you have connection issues we understand. Just try to post something meaningful sometime. I feel qubixes has a lot more thoughts that he's not posting. I'm not sure why my read on Snork changed, rereading I don't know why I had him as moderate town.
{species} - species has posted throughout today and yesterday, and his only helpful post was 101.
{Sick} - Sick's 152 bothers me. 134 seemed like an excuse not to scumhunt.

On Mizzy vs karnos: I feel like this is nothing major. While 123 did point out some mistakes on karnos's part, and it was good noticing (is that correct grammer?), I feel like it is actually nothing important.

Percy vs Sick will merit it's own post.

Chumba and Karnos are both incredibly high on this list. If there's more than one scum among (Kappy, Chumba, Karnos) you're welcome to the rest of the thread.

If I read correctly, there are 3 people with some votes on the apart from sickofit: Persivul, Kappy and karnos.

Do you feel your vote necessarily needs to go on a pre-existing wagon?

THAT'S WHAT I SAID ur smrt

I tend to distrust hiding players in every game, feel free to look at my game history.

OK, I checked Newbie 1692. I didn't see you pressuring lurkers. On the contrary, a lot of your talk was about keeping pressure on someone who was at L-2.

interesting note here. I decided to take on further and look at 3 completed games. 2 games where he was town and 1 where he was scum.

Anyone want to take a guess as to which game he basically says the same as this game about hiding players?

GUYS WHY THE FUCK IS KARNOS STILL ALIVE

Just a question(or a couple) for you Chumba: if you are voting for Kappy totally based on the self-vote in RVS, what about that makes it scummy?

Do people not read my posts? I'm not voting him just cause of his self vote in RVS

vote: kappy

For self voting

I think self voting at anytime scummy and town should never do it hence my vote. He's not town imo. Look at his other posts also and it just proves he's not town. The vote hopping and name calling (which is unnecessary) are not things I see coming from town so unless somebody scum slips I'm pretty much parking here

And while it wasn't given as an actual reason, I'm including the below because town wants to hurry up and find scum. They don't want to prolong Rvs imo.

Kappy, what do you hope to achieve by moving your vote around?

Absolutely nothing. This is RVS.

Sorry RVS is over and was over on page 1 imo.

Is this real? This is a garbage reason to hold onto a vote 9 pages in. I kind of want to lynch Kappy and want him to flip town just so you can learn that this is the fucking worst. Assuming you aren't scum and already aware? This is the worst is what I'm saying.

I see this replace. I'm sleeping now, see y'all tomorrow where I hopefully find something compelling for why Karnos is still alive

[JohnnyFarrar]

That was long huhwoops

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GUYS WHY THE FUCK IS KARNOS STILL ALIVE

Did you vote him?

I'm still not caught up waddayou take me for?

[JohnnyFarrar]

UNVOTE:

Silly

[JohnnyFarrar]

ey bulgey

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Dang people just don't wanna play this game huh?

[JohnnyFarrar]

@JohnnyFarrar: Do you want to play? Read up yet?

You'd know. I'm a busy guy.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Johnny, have any of your reads changed since your catch-up post?

Nah. Also haven't caught up more

[JohnnyFarrar]

People who replace in are so cool. And sexy.

The moderator confirms this man speaks the truth

[JohnnyFarrar]

Get some sleep Masq you've earned it

[JohnnyFarrar]

You ever seen that role before Karnos?

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Ooh let's get a wagon going on me, that'll be fun .

We def shouldn't lynch Karnos probably

[JohnnyFarrar]

Ooh let's get a wagon going on me, that'll be fun .

We def shouldn't lynch Karnos probably

Why are you being so useless?

Been busy

[JohnnyFarrar]

Am I a lurker?

[JohnnyFarrar]

What are your reads on Wingback, Mecha and mathblade atm? Do you believe Karnos' claim?

Based on what they've done since I subbed in and the first 9 pages:

Wingback seems hard to read because he doesn't seem to be very good at the game. He was Sick, right? So maybe his wordiness is defensiveness comes from people's bad opinion on Sick? I dunno.

I remember liking Mech being decently town looking in the first9, but nothing lately seems remarkable. I won't be voting him any time soon, if that helps.

Literally no opinion of mathblade. Had to double check to make sure he was in this game.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Grammar and phone posting don't mix

[JohnnyFarrar]

Am I a lurker?

How would you qualify it yourself? Inactive/busy? You seem to be reading the thread at least.

All these labels man. I'm just here, poorly playing mafia.

I don't think I'm a lurker lynch, though. If you wanna say voting me for not providing content is stupid, you should just say that. I very well might say it if this wagon goes anywhere, but trying to fit this into the mold of some common situation isn't going to convince anyone of anything.

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Wingdings why did you wait to vote me?

[JohnnyFarrar]

I'm at work baby girl answer the question.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Alright high and mighty, be obtuse because that sure is helpful to town. Here's my question again, you can read it slow.

You say in 653 that you don't want to vote Karnos. You say you want to vote me. Then you vote me.

20 fucking posts later.

Why did you wait?

P-Edit: tbf I'm more interested in the current game state than pages 10-17, what are you guys hoping I find?

[JohnnyFarrar]

I mean honestly the reason I wasn't talking when Karnos was the wagon is because I was fine with him getting lynched. I wasn't going to push it because I wasn't caught up, but I didn't really have a problem with it either. The reason I started posting more is actually because he claimed. I don't think we should lynch him today. Pretty sure I've said as much. I want to say I believe him for now because that's a weird claim to pull out of thin air, but I don't know him or his play well enough to full on townread him just yet.

Which of my games did you look at out of curiosity?

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Alright high and mighty, be obtuse because that sure is helpful to town. Here's my question again, you can read it slow.

You say in 653 that you don't want to vote Karnos. You say you want to vote me. Then you vote me.

20 fucking posts later.

Why did you wait?

Okay, I read it really, really slowly as can be seen here but still couldn't understand it. Can you say it a bit more slowly. With feeling this time?

I think it is a fair question. Why not answer it?

Because the answer is obvious and boring. I wanted to see if he'd ISO me and figure it out even if he doesn't want to read the whole thread. If you actually look at the post he's referring to, and where my vote was at that time, it'd be obvious to you as well.

It's not obvious. Treat me like I'm dumb and explain why leaving your vote on someone you don't want to vote is worth it? When you have clearly stated you wanted to vote me anyways?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Mathblade and Johnny are the ones I'm scumreading the most and where I'm willing to vote today.

Am I actually assuming too much? This looks like intent to me

[JohnnyFarrar]

Ha

[JohnnyFarrar]

I thought your vote was on Karnos

[JohnnyFarrar]

I don't really have a good one? Feeling pretty lazy rn. You aren't convinced by the multitudenous votes and cases on me?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Ugh I'm so much better at townreads.

Persy fell off the earth when I got here. As the only non-Bulge player that knows me that makes me nervous.

I didn't like the bits of the Karnos case quibbley bolted on when I asked him about it upon replacing in.

That's all I got really. Won't be lynching Dire, Wingaling, Mech or Masq today.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Yeh

[JohnnyFarrar]

One of Wingback or karnos is scum. No doubt in my mind. Possibly both.

I disagree pretty hard with this. Karnos is a claimed weird cop, and I don't think "newbie scum" would pull that out of his ass. If Wingback were newbie scum he'd still be at my throat, not continuing to pressure others. They've both got pretty strong d1 townreads.

Karnos is probably scum. 359 is so chock full of contradictions

I would and often do make the argument that town contradict themselves all the time, probably more than scum. Town are free to ramble and change their minds because they have less to lose, especially on d1.

The reason you don't lynch without a counter-claim is that, even if you are 99% sure you are right, the downside to Town if everyone is wrong is devastating to Town's chances. There are always additional chances to re-assess Day 2 or down the line with more information.

If we're giving him a pass due to the claim, what should we expect in return? Should we collectively determine the target? Let him choose? If we let him choose, does he give VT results only, or all results?

I haven't thought it all through, but we should. If he's scum, whether neapolitan or not, we can use results against him.

This is another reason why his claim would be garbage for scum, we can't actually do anything with it. If we tell him to target, scum kills him in hopes of throwing suspicion on whoever that was. If we don't tell him who to target, he's potentially outing town PRs with every result and or making the scum's search for PRs easier by stating which players are Vanilla.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Didn't occur to me. I'm still inclined to believe it, tho.

[JohnnyFarrar]

How often do you see scum claiming their actual roles? (This is a genuine question, I don't think I've ever seen it. IME they dress it up as something more protown)

[JohnnyFarrar]

I thought he got "vanilla" or "not vanilla", is there any reason to suspect a non-powered goon wouldn't also return "vanilla"

[JohnnyFarrar]

He has no reason to out a "Not VT" result unless they claim VT, and even if he outs every VT result the scum will still have to choose between killing PRs and conftown.

So with all this suspicion on him we're going to leave it up to him who to investigate AND whether or not he states the results?

[JohnnyFarrar]

Meh

[JohnnyFarrar]

Is this aggression or frustration, magna?

[JohnnyFarrar]

C u soon bb

[JohnnyFarrar]

Why does the wagon on me keep faltering? Am I gut town to that many people? That shit makes me nervous?

[JohnnyFarrar]

I'm less worried about the wagon itself and more worried about the people on it. I knew when I decided not to reread that I'd be risking getting lynched, and the people hopping off for no reason are freaking me out. Twist it however you like, this shit is making me paranoid

[JohnnyFarrar]

Don't actually knife what that means

[JohnnyFarrar]

*know

[JohnnyFarrar]

the people hopping off for no reason are freaking me out [...] this shit is making me paranoid

You originally said "gut townreads", now you say "no reason"? Well, you were strongly implying "for no reason" in that post, but you didn't say it.
You say "no reason", but nobody does anything without a reason. So what you implied was "no reason they're sharing", meaning they're concealing their reasoning.
You say you're being paranoid, so does that mean "I suspect this but am not sure" or "I know this is wrong but I feel it anyway"? Because the way you're saying it, it's only implied whether or not you believe it.

Implying, equivocating, sowing the seeds of doubt by throwing out vague theories but failing to state a concrete position on who it makes town or scum, and all of this right near deadline where it strongly benefits scum to stall.
If this is what you're willing to put your energy into instead of proper content, I'm more confident than ever in my vote for you.

There's enough here that I need to ask whether there's a good reason for MathBlade, as Mafia, to keep such focus on karnos and avoid the wagon on JohnnyFarrar.

Hmm. Well, MathBlade started making giant posts once the Johnny wagon was picking up speed; before that, their posting was reasonably restrained. Could be a sign of panic?
On the other hand, having the only two players who are under serious suspicion as scumbuddies seems far too convenient.

Dude shut up and lynch me. I want to see you try to blame it on me being bad as a player when you're really just confbiasing out your ass.

I'm drunk and here for questions. You'll get honest and quick answers. Somebody come see me.

[JohnnyFarrar]

Nobody's here