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He's talking about a wagon on himself. How can there be value in a fast wagon on town on page 2? This post looks designed to let people know how pro-town he is.In post 35, Raskolnikov wrote:Eh, I can't be bothered to seriously address this atm.
A fast wagon here actually has some value thoughso this isn't completely terrible.
Again: lemme non-chalantley make sure the town knows I'm not worried about being lynched by implying that I'm totally cool w/ being pressured.In post 45, Raskolnikov wrote:I actually like dunn's aggressiveness
In post 45, Raskolnikov wrote:I'm not sure whether he's legitimately tunnellingor pretending and exaggerating in order to get an emotional reaction.
These posts look like subtle attempts to convey to the town that Dunn isn't actually scumreading him.In post 49, Raskolnikov wrote:Actually sorting this out so early is a mess because I have to consider ego andbecause town lying for reactions is hard to tellapart from scum lying for malicious purposes.
Another LAMIST postIn post 57, Raskolnikov wrote:Or even if you don't want to think about drmy you can def give your view on dunn and me at this point.
So now he's worried about the people defending him. Even though he voted DRMY for jumping on him. So I guess it's scummy to vote for Rask and it's scummy to defend him?In post 77, Raskolnikov wrote:Ironically everyone defending me for no reason is more worrying that dunn possibly confbias tunneling here.-
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Rask says he doesnt like people defending him. So Zach is "OK, I'll wont defend you, I'll vote U instead"In post 104, Dunnstral wrote:
? HowIn post 101, JarJarDrinks wrote:I don't really like Zach as scum though. I can see him making that post as a joke.
I mean, I don't thinks it's very funny but I get how it might not have been a serious vote.-
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Bad read?In post 105, Dunnstral wrote:Maybe you can explain to me why town zach votes me in that scenario
I'm not exactly townreading Zach. But I don't think Zach and Rask can be scumbuddies and I think Rask is scum.-
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That's not at all what u said though. You said the fast wagon has value. As in: it would be somewhat beneficial for town.In post 112, Raskolnikov wrote:I am somewhat serious in that I genuinely don't care if I were to get mislynched in a day 1 speedwagon because I wouldn't consider it my fault at all, and it'd probably do me a favour rather than playing with than a playerlist that would do that.
Now you're changing the reasoning to: spite/bitterness.
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if ur town, stop this. It's not scummy.In post 124, Zachstralkita wrote:back and forth back and forth-
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Are u scumreading him for something he does all the time?In post 161, Zachstralkita wrote:I'm just flat-out tired of Dunn and his lies you guys dont understand he does this ALL THE TIME-
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@transend. Not gonna say that you voting for me is scummy. But I do hate how you came in the thread whan u did and pretty much ignored everything happening @ the time.
How do you not give an opinion on Dunn v Zach? Or tell us what u think of leading vote-getter Rask?
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Of course Yoshi is on the back burner. He's not here. Not much I can do about that right now.In post 169, Transcend wrote:
This looks like setting up to me. Puts Yoshi on the back burner.In post 157, JarJarDrinks wrote:Triv could be scum. I think Zach/Dunn is town/town.
Still think Rask is bad. If he is town then that Yoshi post does look pretty terrible.
I guess I can't do anything about your opinion here. I think that was a pretty good question.In post 169, Transcend wrote:
This defense on Dunn looks really forced.In post 164, JarJarDrinks wrote:
Are u scumreading him for something he does all the time?In post 161, Zachstralkita wrote:I'm just flat-out tired of Dunn and his lies you guys dont understand he does this ALL THE TIME-
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I'm not trying to encourage you to do anything.In post 236, Transcend wrote:As for the rask thing, that's not why I'm voting you. I'm voting you due to the reads and defense you gave, which doesn't look genuine. And right now, you're literally asking me to build my case on you? My fos on you is nothing strong either. Why are you trying to encourage me to fos you more?
I'm mentioning it cause I'm trying to figure out if you're legit scumreading me or you're scum tying to manufacture a scumread on me.
I feel like if you were truly townreading Rask and scumreading me then you would think me pushing him was scummy and mention it in your case against me.
Though I do kinda like that you didn't seem to consider the fact that I might be scumreading you for it.-
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In post 243, inspectorscout wrote:Wat drmy why is saying 'i hate those posts' scummy? The 'if x then y' is rather a scum thing to do because its just giving 'info' that everyone already knows = fillers, so why vote for him based on just that? He is right about those posts being annoying
Did you even read the quote he's talking about?In post 259, inspectorscout wrote:
Why is this a scum claim? 'If ur x then y' posts ARE annoying and they ARE scummy since they express a fact, rather than an opinion - oh, that is convenient, scum hates giving opinions because they have a harder time finding valid reasons to accuse someone of being scum. Posts like that are fillers, empty posts that have words in them but dont bring progress. Then my question is: why is saying that so scummy?In post 242, drmyshottyizsik wrote:
why did you feel the need to even point that out? I think this may be a scum claim.In post 130, Zachstralkita wrote:that wasnt a scum claim btw i just hate those if ur x then y posts
VOTE: Zach
It's not an associative filler post where I'm saying that "If player X is town then player Z is scum". All I said was "if ur town, stop this" @ Zach. I was basically just telling him that what he was doing was anti town.
It's wierd that TWICE you said the "If X then Y" posts are scummy but not mention the actual quote or anything about the person who said it.-
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VOTE: inspectorscout
I just read his ISO and so much fluff. There's like barely any opinions on anyone. And when he finally does give his reads:it's basically townreading the guy that everyone is townreading and then weak-ass scumreads on 3 of the people that everyone else is suspecting.Spoiler:
And like all of his scum reads are "This guy seems like scum but IDK maybe not."
Just a list of strange reads there. WHy the F does he mention Kush as a null read for making ONE post but then he lumps everyone else in the nulls saying "Yah everyone i didnt mention is here too because they didnt post enough yet or just cuz i have absolutely no idea about them yet"?-
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Not sure where ur seeing towniness. His ISO is just so much fluff. Setup spec, play by play, and just lots of going w/ town sentiment. Like every read he gives comes w/ an "although I could be wrong" type of comment.In post 334, Transcend wrote:I personally lean on it being a newbtown list given, that he's been towny throughout the rest of the game.
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In post 336, JarJarDrinks wrote:what are u seeing that looks town in his posts?
Yeah that's a bullshit answer.In post 337, Transcend wrote:tone, and his participation doesn't look forced it looks genuine.
Still catching up but If you didn't eventually give an actual answer, could you please point out what ur talking about.-
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Could u kindly point them out to me. Cause all I see are wishy-washy "maybe this guy is scum but maybe he's not" type of posts.In post 340, inspectorscout wrote:Jarjar: i looked back at my iso's and most of them seem pretty much filled with reads and stuff.-
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You forgot? You know you're allowed to go back and read previous pages right?In post 444, Bacde wrote:I forget what it was but his entrance set me off as bad
Can you explain what it was about my entrance that was "bad"?
LIAR! I pretty much STARTED the anti-scout stuff, I didn't "take advantage" of anything. Also you're calling it a counter? Who is it countering?In post 444, Bacde wrote:and then he set me off again when he took advantage of the weird counter-scout current that happened a few pages ago and tried to wagon him
First off: I hadn't made a single post since then.In post 444, Bacde wrote:and he hasn't moved on from there.
Second: Why is it scummy to keep my vote on my scumread?
Why can't scout be scum?In post 444, Bacde wrote:Scout seems like an easy town target-
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lynchbait?In post 460, nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Jarjar is the most analytical lynchbait player I've ever seen.
lol, I've never been lynched. Not even close.
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2 people?In post 462, nnn_thekushmountains wrote:
dude for some reason everyone wants to lynch you this game again.In post 461, JarJarDrinks wrote:
lynchbait?In post 460, nnn_thekushmountains wrote:Jarjar is the most analytical lynchbait player I've ever seen.
lol, I've never been lynched. Not even close.
I think that last game was the closest I ever came @ L-4.
or at least that's what it seems like.
And I'm leaning scum on Bacde right now so it's probably just a single towny.-
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In post 313, drmyshottyizsik wrote:Let's, reason please?-
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Dunnstral- Top townread. Active w/ actual scumhunting and lots of opinions. Trying to make things happen.
Zachstralkita- town. Don't think his scumhunting has been very good but his attitude reads town to me.
Transcend- townlean. I kinda feel like he does believe I'm scum. And I liked how when I called out his reasoning about me, he immediately thought it was wierd that I wanted him to FOS me more instead of the fact that I thought it was scummy. I feel like scum would have gotten more defensive.
Trivium- townlean. His "burn me" if Yoshi isn't scum reads very town to me. I beleive that read.
Tommy- slight townlean - not much to go off of but I feel like his zach/dunn sockpuppet thing reads to me like townie paranoia.
Lowell- null
Raskolnikov- null, slightly scum. His posts have gotten a little better than they were earlier. But mostly I don't like him as scum cause he doesn't jive well as scumbuddies w/ my stronger scumreads.
nnn_thekushmountains- scumlean. Not crazy about his defense of me. 90% seems pretty strong. Also don't like how he seemingly tried to "inception" people that I was being scumread by the whole town when it was like 2 people.
drmyshottyizsik- scum. He votes the guy getting townread by everyone for "pressure"? How can he expect that to possibly help town? The rest of his posts are shit as well.
Blue Yoshi- scum I don't like his defense of Raskol. He says nobody gave reasoning but I laid out my case pretty clearly. And like, in one post he talks about how he's not gonna be a sheep. And in the next he's all "Kindly direct my vote to where it should go"
Bacde- scum. His vote on me is shitty w/ shitty reasoning. If he just was like "yeah sheeping transcend" it wouldn't have pinged me. But I feel that he felt the need to manufacture his own reasoning. And as I pointed out already, that reasoning was terrible.
inspectorscout- scum. I've posted my reasoning.-
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I can't tell if ur trolling right now but can you explain what you think is lamist?In post 476, Bacde wrote:^^lamist
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Dude seriously? You're reasoning for townreading scout was basically "uh IDK, cause". You can't seriously be trying to move people off his wagon for a gut townread that u cant explain?
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following trends? I don't think you even read my reads list.In post 492, Bacde wrote:except his reads list is bs
he's just following the trends and I haven't seen any critical thinking or spectacular reads from him
what makes you think he is town?
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In post 508, Bacde wrote:dude, its lamist because his reads aren't helpful and the post gives the impression he is doing town work when he isn'tIn post 499, JarJarDrinks wrote:Please point out some spectacular reads that you've made thus far...-
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Where did he say I could be scum? Seems like he was townreading me in both posts.In post 509, inspectorscout wrote:He litteraly said 'ye jarjar could be scum but he could be town ye' in 2 posts, but nobody mentioned that.-
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Missed this earlier
Hey scout, if you think "If X then Y" posts are scummy then should we scumread you for this?In post 265, inspectorscout wrote:Zach, why so arrogant?If you are town you should care about our opinions-
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Because that's what you said.In post 518, Bacde wrote:
what makes you think I can't explain it?In post 497, JarJarDrinks wrote:Dude seriously? You're reasoning for townreading scout was basically "uh IDK, cause". You can't seriously be trying to move people off his wagon for a gut townread that u cant explain?
In post 478, Bacde wrote:I don't have an answer for why scout can't be scum besides that I townread him.-
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WTF are u talking about?In post 547, Bacde wrote:
This is you arguing with me about semantics and pretending to have caught me in some sort of trap, lmaoIn post 541, JarJarDrinks wrote:
Because that's what you said.In post 518, Bacde wrote:
what makes you think I can't explain it?In post 497, JarJarDrinks wrote:Dude seriously? You're reasoning for townreading scout was basically "uh IDK, cause". You can't seriously be trying to move people off his wagon for a gut townread that u cant explain?
In post 478, Bacde wrote:I don't have an answer for why scout can't be scum besides that I townread him.
All I'm doing is answering your question about the reason I think you can't explain your townread.
ANd how do you seriously say that I'm the one who's arguing semantics when this is you're next sentence?In post 547, Bacde wrote:Asking me "Why can't scout be scum" is a COMPLETELY different question than "Why do you townread scout"
And this whole thing is totally misdirection:
What I'm saying is that telling zack "bad zach bad vote" isn't something that you should be saying about a player that just "hasn't done anything scummy".In post 547, Bacde wrote:Your quote of me in 478 is me answering your question as to how its impossible to answer "Why can't scout be scum"
ANYBODY can be scum homie
If you actually cared about my reads then after I said "I townread scout" you would have asked me "Why do you townread scout" (a question you have never asked me), not assume I have no reasons
I've already explained multiple times why I townread scout, he hasn't done anything scummy, he is flailing around like town, he is saying things that don't make sense from scum
In other words: It sounds like your townread of scout is bullshit.-
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Why don't u care that a lot townread me?In post 547, Bacde wrote:Why don't you care that a lot of other players in the game townread scout too?
I've been thinking about it. I'm not sure if you're just bad @ mafia. Your post agreeing w/ drmy about more information being better for scum makes me think you're just a really bad player.In post 547, Bacde wrote:Heres my question for you: If you scumread me (and it seems like you are pretending to scumread me), why haven't you voted me? Why are you waiting for other players to vote me before you feel confident enough to vote me?-
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And the only reason that should be read as town would be because it's so anti-town that scum would never post it.In post 557, Bacde wrote:
The bolded part is a town sentiment. One that I agree with. And one similar to the way I'm playing today as well.In post 553, AlpacaAlpaca wrote:
I am genuinely confused by what you mean/what you are inferring, why you have bolded that part of Shotty's post, and why this makes Shotty town. Mind explaining?In post 550, Bacde wrote:
I thinkIn post 539, drmyshottyizsik wrote:See alpaca I disagree, I thinkday one scum have much more to gain by knowing where everyone stands.After n1 and observable actions have been performed, then info comes in. Right now we have to solve a riddle with out knowing the specifics of riddle the answer or having any clue. So, unless you are trying to screw up the people solving the riddle why do you need to know early on who think what about the answerless, questionless and clue less puzzle. Day two is when people start to solve things, based off of day one. In other words day one I greatly prefer to have everyone go at it and have high powered wagons. Sometimes good information comes from this day 1 and we could get lucky and catch scum. However, statistically town is usually lynched day one and it is based on day one that we will have a place to start day 2.some playersare trying to misconstrue me playing my cards close to my chest as me "not having reasons" for my reads and actions, when this couldn't be further from the truth
Moving drmyshotty to my town pile
(re posting so it doesn't look terrible)
Like seriously people, this is basic mafia principles. You get as many people to post as much about what they think of other people as you can. Games where you get the majority of players to do this are usually easy town wins.
Think about how hard the game would be if nobody posted reads.
The town players that don't post their reads or keep their cards close to their chest are obstacles that good players need to overcome.-
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Not in my town games.In post 539, drmyshottyizsik wrote:However, statistically town is usually lynched day one-
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I mean, I wanted you both to state who your #2 lynch was.In post 579, Transcend wrote:I've stated these reads several times, jar. For someone who town tags me, you're doing a whole lot of not reading me. Which means i doubt you actually tr me and are trying to gain favor from me.
And leaning town isn't exactly townreading but yeah I would like you to read me as town because you're probably town and I like your other reads. Have u noticed that ur suspecting all the same people that I am?-
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That's not what I said. I said we're both suspecting the same people.In post 583, Transcend wrote:Inform me how my strongest tr which is your biggest sr parallels our reads.
You just said Rask, NNN, Alpaca are your top 3 reads and they were all people I named as scum or scumleans in my list.-
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Well yeah I reread your ISO. I always reread ISOs of people I suspect and that statement stood out to me.In post 585, inspectorscout wrote:
So, you avoid my previous statement and now come back to this. Oh, and you missed something: i was the guy that said those posts are NOT scummy. Honestly, this post just feels like ''I have nothing to say anymore so i reread his iso to find stuff and now i have this omg look'' I've had enough of your 'suspicion' based on reasons that arent even true. next time you ask me something, read what i wrote before and/or read my answer.In post 516, JarJarDrinks wrote:Missed this earlier
Hey scout, if you think "If X then Y" posts are scummy then should we scumread you for this?In post 265, inspectorscout wrote:Zach, why so arrogant?If you are town you should care about our opinions
VOTE: jarjar
Can you @ least answer the question scout? You specifically said that "If X then Y" posts are scummy right? How come it's ok if you make one?-
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Dude u gotta stop tunneling. I think ur probably town and I don't want people to flashlynch you after I flip.In post 591, Transcend wrote:the thing that's is you jumping on a vote that's heavily influenced by scum (jarjar, raskolnikov)
Stop acting like you're so sure of your reads cause @ the very least ur wrong about me.
I'm not gonna try to convince you to move your vote but can you talk to me as if you know for a fact that I'm town. Worst case for you is I flip scum and then you can ignore everything from me or chalk it up to WIFOM.
Right now there are 4 people voting for me: You, Bacde, drmyshottyizsik, inspectorscout.
I'd stake my entire mafia reputation on there being @ least 1 scummy in that list. (There's always 1 on a town wagon). If I flip green then who on that list should be lynched next?-
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wait for him to post before u do anything.In post 650, Trivium wrote:Intent to hammer if jarjar doesn't for some reason, or if someone backs off.-
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Transcend going after Tommy for wanting an explanation from Kush is ridiculous.
I almost made the same post tommy did word for word about how kush needs to explain his thought process.
This isn't kush's first game. He clearly knew he was hammering. I'd very much like know what he was thinking as well.-
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Not just the bolded. The whole post is so bad when you look @ it when it took place.In post 741, Zachstralkita wrote:
That line is pretty fucking awful for reasons I don't need to explain. It tickles me the wrong way. I'd be comfortable with a scout lynch today. I am aware this was said pre-flip. It does not change the context at all. I was going to say he was null today but that line fucks me up.In post 670, inspectorscout wrote:I dont have one. Like zach, hes been constantly changing town-scum to me. I dont even understand most of his posts. But, as i said before, i have a gut feeling hes gonna be a mislynch + he said hes gonna post a readlist d2, and since i have other people that i want lynched, its best to keep him alive until then, and by using his readlist you will pretry much see if hes scum or not.There are 3 scum ppl, even if he is scum, rushing a kill on him isnt needed at all. Especially for me, since i have other suspects
He makes that post after shotty selfvotes to L-1 and 2 players post intent to hammer (technically it was after hammer but it was a minute off). What's the point of making that post when the lynch is all but inevitable? This is a post from someone that knows how shotty is about to flip.
Not to mention shotty was one of the few people scout actually gave us a read on and he supposedly thought he was scummy. Yet he didn't say jack shit about the wagon on him while it was forming. Only after the outcome was certain did he speak up.-
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How does that statement make any sense if he believes triv is scum?In post 752, inspectorscout wrote:
So, can anyone guess what he meant with this question? I read it as 'you called my potssts useless, so what do you think about the posts that matter?' I replied to that, then he says I'm dodging like hell and he was 'so gonna fuckin kill' me.In post 655, Trivium wrote:What do you think about my posts that matter, scout? Yeah, of course jarjar. I'm so patient. Dunn knows just how patient I am.He was wrongHe tried to frame me into 'being drmy' scumpartner, if he flipped scum he would be sure of the next kill.
...and directly votes for the guy that thakes the most pro-town actions. Easy, after NK'ing dunn, no? - but not after voting for an ongoing wagon. Please.In post 719, Trivium wrote:VOTE: Transcend
Inspector is probably town given that my thing with drshotty was wrong.
VOTE: trivium
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My townlean on you is slowly disappearing.In post 823, Transcend wrote:Very good observation, but I don't agree with it. inspector has had a keen eye on this game the whole time and I have no idea why his slots being lynched.
How can you have no idea? Are you not reading? Like I can understand if you disagree. But I made 2 good points above that you completely ignored.
This just looks like bullshit WKing.-
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Yup it's LAMIST.In post 835, Trivium wrote:Also transcend's talk about not wanting to vote jarjar because of 'resistance' and then doing it anyway seems weird to me.
a paraphrased way to say it: "Hey guys, If I was scum, why would I go against the grain like this?"
No reason to point it out.-
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He needs to do something cause having a player like him left in LYLO is something that loses games for town.In post 836, Trivium wrote:Eh... I don't like policy lynches when the game isn't stagnating because of it. But I would like Lowell to actually do things.-
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The weird part is that he feels the need to point it out.In post 839, inspectorscout wrote:why the fuck is this weird? he starts his analysis, he says hes not going to vote, sees stuff that changes his mind.-
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The further away we are from lylo, the better a policy lynch would be. As the game gets deeper, the less attractive a policy lynch becomes simply because we have more information.In post 839, inspectorscout wrote:PEDIT: we are still pretty far away from lylo, you know-
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In post 739, Transcend wrote:And my top two townreads are legitimately useless.
Blatant contradictionIn post 823, Transcend wrote:inspector has had a keen eye on this game the whole time-
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what specifically are you talking about here?In post 844, inspectorscout wrote:i pointed out a contradiction that was on the same page and it wasnt valid, why would this be?-
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@Transcend
The thing is, I'm not reading you as a bad player. So it's hard for me to see you as town when your reads are so off.
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I know for a fact that I'm town. I think it's close to impossible for there to be 3 townies voting for me right now. So for you to be town, you'd have to be wrong about me AND wrong about scout and/or Bacde.-
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Assuming that I legit think that and it's not just a another scum attempt butter you up so u get off my dick right?In post 855, Transcend wrote:i appreciate that you think i'm good
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