Mini 1636: Mafialand Mayhem! - [Game Over]

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Reticent replaces Drake Crusader.[/b][/color]

Checking in.

I'll be skimming the thread to get an idea of what's happened so far, but if any kind, benevolent soul feels like giving me a fly-over of the most relevant points to date I would be most obliged.

Unvote

while I orient myself.

If anyone has any questions for me, fire away.

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Being defensive and emotional is indicative of scum

I don't really find this to be true.

Also you appear to have started the Lapsa wagon, mind explaining the rationale behind it? Because it looked pretty lame.

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hey droog
hey
hey
hey droog

what about the other thing I inquired about

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I have too short an attention span to do any more than skim for now; if anyone points back at anything of significance I'll read around it for context.

VOTE: Aneninen

I'm picking up a definite, "Look how town I am," vibe from him.

In post 275, Lapsa wrote:
In post 274, droog wrote:
Which is why later lapsa is weird


@Clown what do you find weird?
the beginning of your iso
has content and questions
even if its wrapped in small posts
and short sentences

after rvs your iso has little content

the beginning of
the lapsa wagon seen
here disappoints me

was this one of those
"it started out lame but made
more sense later" things?

'cause it doesn't seem
especially compelling
from where i'm standing

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Can someone explain to me why MonkeyMan576, llll, and evilpacman18 are more deserving of rope than Aneninen and droog? Because my gut is saying otherwise, but maybe I missed something mindblowing.

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Well, you only skimmed...

Well let's see, you're voting for... *checks* ...pacman. Is it asking too much for you to tell me why that's a better vote than Aneninen or droog? Because that's literally all I'm asking for.

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Yep, you caught me, I figured my best chance at saving my scumbuddy from your advancing, awe-inspiring wagon of terror would be to copy his read on you.

My villainous schemes have been foiled once more; and so quickly after joining the game, too. Such a pity.

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The Lapsa wagon was pathetic, so yeah I found it kinda scummy. Your point?

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The Lapsa wagon was pathetic, so yeah I found it kinda scummy. Your point?

More pathetic
Than the monkey one?

Go look at lapsa's play
And the way he broke rules
Go look at the monkey case
Or the lack kg one

We got locked into one of the other
Because everyone wanted monkey

So if you hadn't been, "locked into one or the other," who would you have pushed for?

Also evilpacman18 your introduction had me thinking that post was going to be way scummier than it was - it was almost compelling, actually. I almost sheeped your Aeronaut read until I noticed even you hadn't; why no vote?

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Because I tend to focus on current gameplay over meta.

This is a pretty convenient way of dodging the issue of lacking meta to support your case.

@Reticent, I like your style.

<3

VOTE: MonkeyMan576

I'll settle for this. Or maybe I'm just joining this wagon because droog hates it.

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Just looked over the thread - my scumreads are Monkeyman, Droog, Katieb. sthar logged in about 6 hours ago, but KatieB hasn't been posting.
Gendaberry and Wake look townish to me. I like Gendaberry's questions - he's trying, but should post a bit more frequently.
@Reticent, I like your style.

Guys, are we really going to let ScumkyMan weasel away another day? Come

on

. We have to lynch someone, and it really shouldn't be me.

Yeah, it really should. The case on you is solid and the case on me is inherently flawed. CKD is criticizing my vote on you when there is no towncase on you.

Questions I have include:

1.) What is "inherently" flawed about it?

2.) Where is the "towncase" on

you?

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You did see the end of day one where Illl said I was obvscum and then switched over to my wagon at the last minute?

I shall investigate forthwith, good sir!

...Not that anything about that sounds inherently incriminating, but maybe a second glance will help me see the error of my ways and aid me in returning to the righteous path.

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Update: Monkey, that was a pretty inaccurate description of what happened Day 1 - I am disappoint.

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You did see the end of day one where Illl said I was obvscum and then switched over to my wagon at the last minute?

Reticent = Pretty accurate to me, what is your take?

Well, he said your #362 was "impressively scummy" and voted for you 6 days and 2 hours before the end of the day.

Which is kind of different from him calling you "obvscum" and voting for you at "the end of [the] day" "at the last minute."

Unless what you meant was that he switched to the Lapsa wagon at the last minute, in which case... I would assume that was because the deadline was approaching and settling on a lynch is kind of important?

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So he is both scummy for voting for you

and

for switching to someone else?

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You're right, you know, this is case is actually pretty compelling and definitely not "inherently flawed" like the one against you.

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...

I love you, Monkey. <3

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You haven't explained how Illl is town in general

This is not my job since I never claimed this, nor would I need to in order to "defend against poor arguments." (Don't forget to townread me, by the way)

or how you shouldn't be held accountable for switching your vote at the last minute to a wagon that includes someone who is your biggest scumread and then causing a townlynch.

1.) Quite a few people switched to that wagon to gain a majority. Why is all of this righteous anger directed toward IIII exclusively?

2.) Did he actually say you were his biggest scumread? Maybe I just missed that, that would be an interesting detail if you don't mind directing me to it.

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you accuse me of not reading?
i was scumreading monkey
then i saw the wagons on him as really bad
so bad i didnt want to be on them

when no one can bring a case
for ~400 posts
i dont want to be anywhere near that wagon

Except apparently you could have brought a case???

But held out for some reason???

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Oh was that it?

My sincerest apologies, then, carry on.

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Spoiler:

Vote: Wake88

His endday play was pretty suspicious, specifically the way he relied on other people's explanation of cases rather than doing his own research.

Wake, here is the specific behavior I am talking about, an overreliance on other players opinions and information.

I've got a lot to read up on.

Anything noteworthy?

I will have time during the first half of tomorrow.

I have limited time.

Do we have anything pertinent as of yet? Very brief summaries of the latest highlights would suffice. Not reading 25 pages of Day 1 speculation.

So, why vote Lapsa?

And? I've got a life outside of Mafia, so pardon if I ask a handful of questions to help me catch up. And what's wrong with 637?

I want to know what your problem is with asking questions to get caught up to speed instead of getting bogged down by sloughing through muck. Don't know about you, but time is precious, so whining about me asking if anything important happened yet isn't wrong at all. You know better. If that's what you think passes for an excuse to vote me, you are sorely mistaken, and I will rip you apart over it until you acknowledge your reasoning here is crud.

My problem is that it's lazy and anti-town. What if the people you are asking for help with are scum?

And? I've got a life outside of Mafia, so pardon if I ask a handful of questions to help me catch up. And what's wrong with 637?

I want to know what your problem is with asking questions to get caught up to speed instead of getting bogged down by sloughing through muck. Don't know about you, but time is precious, so whining about me asking if anything important happened yet isn't wrong at all. You know better. If that's what you think passes for an excuse to vote me, you are sorely mistaken, and I will rip you apart over it until you acknowledge your reasoning here is crud.

My problem is that it's lazy and anti-town. What if the people you are asking for help with are scum?

If I had all the time in the world then yes it'd be lazy. I do not, and I don't think it's too much to ask the other twelve players to give a brief summary. If anything's lazy, it's refusing to even provide a sentence or two i response when you have more time than the person asking. BS on it being anti-Town, BS on it being scummy, and BS on it being lazy. I'm not asking everyone to provide walls of text doing my own work. I'm asking the other players (not all, but at least one) to help me catch up with a sentence or two. What's so difficult about it? Are you trying to fabricate reasons to cast suspicion on me? I think the route you're taking is horrible if you're Town, because if you're Town we are a team, and we help each other out if we are able. There's a chance that one of the people providing a response is Scum, but hey, that's the risk you take in a game of Mafia. People don't suddenly stop asking others for reads because, *gasp*, the person being asked could be Scum. I am not liking this new direction from you, and am now more eager than ever to question the motives behind your actions.

Wow, you don't like a direction where you're being scumread, that's a surprise.

@ret

which looks scummier
monkey for switching to wake at random
or |||| saying monkey was picking on wake
when monkey did develop a case on wake for lurking

That "case" looks pretty scummy to me, to be honest.

Latching onto an inactive player (read: lynchbait), scumreading them for their activity level, and asking ridiculous questions like, "What if the people you're asking for help with are scum?" (hey, newsflash, if you ask scum to summarize something for you and they lie about it, then we'll call them on it and lynch them) is pretty bad.

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I agree - which is why I don't think |||| "throwing a fit over" a scummy case is particularly scummy.

What would an appropriate level of incredulity on ||||'s part have looked like?

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Sorry to hear that, Wake. Hopefully now that you know what's wrong and how to treat it you'll be feeling better soon.

Welcome back!

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I have found they are generally pretty hostile about that, yeah.

Basically we are lynching Monkey at the moment and droog has complicated feelings about it.

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And anyway if anyone on that wagon was bussing it's probably |||| (and Aeronaut's last vote was weak)

Why ||||?

(Man, my internal dialogue has no idea how to pronounce that)

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Terribly sorry! I've been a bit of a workaholic lately, I'm still alive and participating I promise.

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@ KatieB, Wake88, evilpacman18, curiouskarmadog, Reticent

If you guys could come back and share your insight / respond to what I'm saying at some point, that'd be swell. I know ya'll are busy, but I feel like I'm in this game by myself.

I don't have a particularly stunning rebuttal to offer your case on Pacman (still in a semi-waking state, and preparing for another 14 hours work - I have three days off after that, though [love those state observed holidays] so I may have something more concrete once I'm fully cognizant), but I will say that I have "good feels" for him and he would not be a favored lynch for me.

Katie's tempting, though, and I'm very curious as to why you'd rather hold off in that regard.

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I think this game needs a collective group hug.



Oh, also:

VOTE: KatieB

Pacman still looks town to me. A lot of the criticism lodged against him reads as, "I've already decided you're scum so now everything you do is scummy.

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Hate leaving those quotation marks open like that.

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Probtown.

Seeing as a lot of my reading of him was based on weird interactions with her.

VOTE: llll

Since you think I'm scum, who do you think my buddy is?