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Yeah, I don't have enough to go on with Nacho. The Aronis push is something he'd do as either alignment. The switch to Ross at a point where my read was starting to fizz around the edges a little worries me. But, it takes quite a while for my Nacho read to go solid these days. :/
I got a really strong townsense from SSK early. I hate to let go of that because it doesn't happen very often with him.
Goodfather I dunno. He comes off really newb and suspicious of anything he hasn't encountered before. I never did really delve into his offsite games like I should have.-
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I dunno. We're getting really different impressions of neighborhood-Aronis from the other two neighbor. The basis itself adds up - the conclusions are different. Aronis' reaction to his bandwagon looks newbtown, though, all the way down to the half-baked reads list.
I think I've only played one game with katsuki where he wasn't highly suspicious to at least one player. He's seems very reactive in a way that's reminiscent of ArcAngel, i.e., he assumes that people who suspect him are scum. In the games I've played with him it was a bad assumption. It was interesting to see that play out here as well. We went to the top of his scumpile when we voted him. AFAIK he still thinks we're scum but we've fallen off the radar since we stopped actively pushing him. I haven't played a game where he was scum. I kinda wonder if the similarities to AA9 hold in that alignment.-
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oops. me.In post 1015, fferyllt wrote:
What does this mean?In post 1013, Bert wrote:Goodfather fits the profile of lurker-scum pretty well IMO. I don't know,I see like very few if any dissent/doubts about players that I would expect from town, especially after the game got going.
My scum reads have fallen apart. I want to get together with Orcinus if possible to see what he thinks, but I think it's going to come down to my vote decision today. How long are you going to be around? I want to review some stuff and see what I can sift from the null section of my pile.-
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Is his vote scummy?In post 1040, Cabd wrote:
Is ross not "someone"?In post 1039, Aronis wrote:VOTE: nachomamma8
My reasoning,
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Adding 1 vote to a 1-vote wagon doesn't look very survivalistic to me.Cabd wrote:
Merely interesting~In post 1044, Selkies wrote:
Is his vote scummy?In post 1040, Cabd wrote:
Is ross not "someone"?In post 1039, Aronis wrote:VOTE: nachomamma8
My reasoning,
Playstyle seems really anti-town and I want to lynch someone before time runs up and you guys are really indecisive.
The only way I can see any sort of scum sense given the vote mechanic is if Ross and Aronis are scum together.
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I haven't made an explicit list, but I think it's quite clear what my reads have been. My scumreads came unglued. I'm working through that right now in real time.In post 1054, Cabd wrote:
I'm waiting for you to give your reads list, it's been absent this entire day phase and it worries me deeply.In post 1051, Selkies wrote:Am I missing something?-
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One of these days you're going to figure out that the reason scum won 1436 was because I wasn't playing my scum game.In post 1057, Bert wrote:
While we're on the Ffery topic, this sounds so invented... "my reads fell apart" Another one of those lovely statements you can make to try to sound town.In post 1015, fferyllt wrote:My scum reads have fallen apart.I want to get together with Orcinus if possible to see what he thinks, but I think it's going to come down to my vote decision today. How long are you going to be around? I want to review some stuff and see what I can sift from the null section of my pile.
It sounds almost like in 1436 (past game) where you were like "I've gone over things a million times in my head, and I've flopped back and forth for N number of times."
I had Aronis and Ross both as scum. That's up in the air right now. This game has my full attention while I work through that.-
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There were three main reasons I had Aronis as potential scum - Cabd's read, Orcinus' read and a 3 player neighborhood. Orcinus preferred Aronis or Katsuki for lynch the last time we talked and he was caught up. I didn't.In post 1060, Bert wrote:
Umm...ffery you know you never made it clear you ever were reading Aronis-scum...In post 1059, Selkies wrote:I had Aronis and Ross both as scum. That's up in the air right now. This game has my full attention while I work through that.
You asked Cabd for his reasoning, and you mentioned how you wanted to look into Aronis more because you think Cabd's town. Aronis seemed more like a potential option to look into, but nothing more than that - were you being purposely ambiguous????.... This makes me wonder if you're really thinking this game through from a townie mindset.
Hesitancy you're showing is one thing I can understand, but tacking on an "in case it isn't clear, we're reading Aronis (!) and Ross" as scum. Basically, both options aka both main wagons.
In post 718, Selkies wrote:That said, I actually will post a reads list sometime today.
I'd still like for you to talk about your Aronis readIn post 725, Selkies wrote:If Cabd's town, and I think he probably is, I want to put some weight on his Aronis read. But, I wish he'd put more reasoning down. I'm also looking at Ross and maybe Goodfather. But, my Goodfather issue is mostly because his vote has been really sticky in the face of most of his concerns about us getting dog-eared.
He's out of that group now. Rereading and rethinking, I still think Ross could be scum. And I think you made some good points about Goodfather. I discounted him mostly because he was all freaked out about noisy hydrae.-
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I thought muffin derailed it, to the extent we didn't derail it ourselves.In post 1061, Cabd wrote:I'm starting to regret derailing the selkies wagon earlier, ffery, so if you're town you need to bereallytown right now.
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Quite. Now there's a bow on it.In post 1066, notscience wrote:
He's been town for pagesIn post 1065, Selkies wrote:It wouldn't be a day 1 without some Bert paranoia. That pretty much seals my town read. :/-
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Town:
Cabd
FourTrouble
Bert
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Maybe Town:
IdiotKing – neighbor, muffin thinks he's town, some of his posts have resonated town pretty strongly
Aronis – neighbor, seems newbtown
NotSci (King Kenny was null, leaning scum due to lurk/flake). Notsci hasn't pestered me nearly enough about how obvtown he is.
Nacho (inherited a scummy-looking slot, hasn't towned it up except in terms of sheer bravado
SSK – town read has gone stale. Didn't like his last post.
Not So Town:
Goodfather – there's probably some bias here due to his sticky vote on us
Ross – could move him up, but I think Aronis has looked more town (newb factor maybe)
Katsuki
If there's scum in the neighborhood, I strongly doubt it's muffin.
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About the same as my thoughts on Aronis' vote for Nacho.In post 1069, notscience wrote:Ffery and Cabd- What are your thoughts on Ross's vote?
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I play a different game replacing into a game, especially near deadline. It has to do with the need to establish a presence and stance quickly vs having the luxury of time to think and experience the game in real time. Based on feedback in a few recent games, I think I've probably gone too far in the observational mode direction. It will be interesting to see what sort of feedback I get in the next few games, because I will be making some adjustments.-
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Says the person who went from voting me to following my vote.In post 1106, Bert wrote:^says the person who said (see below) - lol spare me <3
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This fails on such a fundamental level.
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none, actually, because you can read our town game so im sure you'll come round soon enough.In post 1134, Cabd wrote:
Hi. I found out you're scum.In post 1133, Selkies wrote:hello im here
Would you like to....
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B: Set up false links to townies on your way down
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That game shook my belief that Nati can read you well. I think it shook his confidence a little too. :/In post 1146, MafiaSSK wrote:
Yeah, that one and just the whole general manipulation of Nat.In post 1145, Selkies wrote:Unless you're talking about that day 1 push that scum-you made on us for Nati's semi-appearance the night he traveled back home?
I dunno. I just really liked my play in that game.
I still don't understand what scum-you putting Nati through the wringer has to do with this game. I don't think there's a similar wringer you can use on orcinus or me. And if there is, then I don't understand why you'd want to draw a parallel to your scum game in this game.-
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Hell if I can follow your thought process then. You're comparing Cabd's play to your AA game? And you're voting US?In post 1148, MafiaSSK wrote:
I was talking about how Cabd was so certain of you? And how it reminded me of my push on Nat in AA?In post 1147, Selkies wrote:
That game shook my belief that Nati can read you well. I think it shook his confidence a little too. :/In post 1146, MafiaSSK wrote:
Yeah, that one and just the whole general manipulation of Nat.In post 1145, Selkies wrote:Unless you're talking about that day 1 push that scum-you made on us for Nati's semi-appearance the night he traveled back home?
I dunno. I just really liked my play in that game.
I still don't understand what scum-you putting Nati through the wringer has to do with this game. I don't think there's a similar wringer you can use on orcinus or me. And if there is, then I don't understand why you'd want to draw a parallel to your scum game in this game.-
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I think one is missing.In post 1155, Cabd wrote:
No, they're all the games we've been together in. You should have noticed that.In post 1153, Selkies wrote:@Cabd
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Yesterday's post was fferyllt. Today's vote post was Orcinus. I unvoted, and we're talking about where our vote goes next.In post 1156, Aronis wrote:
So let's start off with a post from yesterday, If I understand correctly, you do not want to move your vote to me, how nice.In post 1100, Selkies wrote:I will be here. I won't be happy about changing my vote if it turns out I need to.
Now you come out today and start off by voting me without any damn reasons, which is how I originally got votes put on me. And right after you weren't moving your vote yesterday. Could you explain that? Or are you just wanting to lynch a weaker player?In post 1136, Selkies wrote:
none, actually, because you can read our town game so im sure you'll come round soon enough.In post 1134, Cabd wrote:
Hi. I found out you're scum.In post 1133, Selkies wrote:hello im here
Would you like to....
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Because IF I were scum, those two players, if town would be the biggest threats to me. Way bigger than FourTrouble. Arguably Cabd would scare me more because his scum game has shaped mine, though I've definitely backslid since the last morph scum game. Nacho's had more influence on my town game.In post 1159, Aronis wrote:
First, Why on earth are you even thinking about who you would kill? Second, why would you go after Nacho? They are one of the weakest players who have been more anti-town then town. All in all, this post would not be made by a townie and I fail to see the reasoing behind it.In post 1135, Selkies wrote:If we were scum, one of you or Nacho would be dead. I don't know how to pull off another Newbie 1436 yet, and the old one will never work again.-
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GoodFather is a person of interest to me.In post 1080, Selkies wrote:Based on my rethink, if it were a week from deadline I'd try to sort GoodFather. There isn't time, and I'm not going to throw out a vanity wagon. Goodfather is my message to day 2.
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And this post kinda stood out to me after the flip.In post 1109, Bert wrote:Be happy that you got your lynch, lady ffery-
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Your vote is not on Mafia.In post 1167, Aronis wrote:Personally I find that answer the typical reaction and most unsatisfactory.
You just set it up perfectly, Congrats! This is exactly why you would kill FourTrouble, nobody expects it, it doesn't make any damn since for you to, so by default you must be town. Oh and don't forget the two other people on your team who wanted to lynch FT, another reason why you couldn't lynch Nacho.
My vote is staying on Mafia.
As scum, I PR hunt for night kills, and barring that I either go after players I feel are threats to my team, or I go for unconventional kills. If you read through the first game that Cabd linked and find the Night 1 kill announcement you'll find a kill that matches the third criteria - my partner and I killed a player who claimed vanilla town at the end of day 1.-
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On the contrary. I outlined three very different criteria.In post 1174, MafiaSSK wrote:
That's cool. Everyone always follows their same criteria every time. That totally happens.In post 1170, Selkies wrote:
Your vote is not on Mafia.In post 1167, Aronis wrote:Personally I find that answer the typical reaction and most unsatisfactory.
You just set it up perfectly, Congrats! This is exactly why you would kill FourTrouble, nobody expects it, it doesn't make any damn since for you to, so by default you must be town. Oh and don't forget the two other people on your team who wanted to lynch FT, another reason why you couldn't lynch Nacho.
My vote is staying on Mafia.
As scum, I PR hunt for night kills, and barring that I either go after players I feel are threats to my team, or I go for unconventional kills. If you read through the first game that Cabd linked and find the Night 1 kill announcement you'll find a kill that matches the third criteria - my partner and I killed a player who claimed vanilla town at the end of day 1.-
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someone wake me up when we decide to policy this sack of shit
i will try my utmost to do something tonight-
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You mean the wifom where I cited the very game you've brought up here as one example of the sorts of kills I favor as scum?In post 1198, Bert wrote:
In 1436, Ffery made a kill on goodmorning, a claimed VT, because it was an odd kill, and a kill on Cabd or someone else might implicate her in some other way. (1436 is a past newbie game).In post 1167, Aronis wrote:You just set it up perfectly, Congrats! This is exactly why you would kill FourTrouble, nobody expects it, it doesn't make any damn since for you to, so by default you must be town.
So don't buy into her WIFOM about NKs if that is helping to change your read.
Vote: Selkies
In post 1170, Selkies wrote:
Your vote is not on Mafia.In post 1167, Aronis wrote:Personally I find that answer the typical reaction and most unsatisfactory.
You just set it up perfectly, Congrats! This is exactly why you would kill FourTrouble, nobody expects it, it doesn't make any damn since for you to, so by default you must be town. Oh and don't forget the two other people on your team who wanted to lynch FT, another reason why you couldn't lynch Nacho.
My vote is staying on Mafia.
As scum, I PR hunt for night kills, and barring that I either go after players I feel are threats to my team, or I go for unconventional kills.If you read through the first game that Cabd linked and find the Night 1 kill announcement you'll find a kill that matches the third criteria - my partner and I killed a player who claimed vanilla town at the end of day 1.-
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My job is to find town and find scum, and to get scum lynched. I'm not going to "prove" I'm town. There are players in this game who've seen my scum game from the other side of the curtain. It's not a matter of NKA. It's a matter of what I as scum would think was necessary to help my team win.In post 1227, Bert wrote:
you're using NKA as a reason that you're town, right? it's not a tellIn post 1219, Selkies wrote:ou mean the wifom where I cited the very game you've brought up here as one example of the sorts of kills I favor as scum?
this supports what rationale of yours?In post 1219, Selkies wrote:If you read through the first game that Cabd linked and find the Night 1 kill announcement you'll find a kill that matches the third criteria - my partner and I killed a player who claimed vanilla town at the end of day 1.
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You're sheeping me.In post 1242, Nachomamma8 wrote:
you're sheeping me, so duhIn post 1240, Selkies wrote:I think my vote is on scum.-
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That's right. I don't know how to obvtown. I know how to be town. And I trust it becomes apparent as the game evolves. It usually does.Bert wrote:
->In post 1240, Selkies wrote:I'm not going to "prove" I'm town.
In post 494, Sound of Silence wrote:So I'm going to be ridiculously transparent this game. But I don't know how to obvtown, so you'll have to bear with me and deal with the body of work.-
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In post 1247, Nachomamma8 wrote:
i sheeped you before you voted?In post 1243, Selkies wrote:
You're sheeping me.In post 1242, Nachomamma8 wrote:
you're sheeping me, so duhIn post 1240, Selkies wrote:I think my vote is on scum.
is it possible to be a god of sheep?In post 1168, Selkies wrote:
GoodFather is a person of interest to me.In post 1080, Selkies wrote:Based on my rethink, if it were a week from deadline I'd try to sort GoodFather. There isn't time, and I'm not going to throw out a vanity wagon. Goodfather is my message to day 2.
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Did you post some reasoning to go with this?
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How did you develop a read on kaboooom?In post 1297, The Goodfather wrote:So I am gonna be busy taking care of family stuff irl for the next day or two, so i thought i'd post now before i won't have a chance to. Seems like i have a wagon on me, and it seems like its nobody's fault but mine for not being particularly active this game. I don't wanna to be lynched today, so here a breakdown of how i see the game so far:
1. MafiaSSK* - 135 ( seemingly blindly accepts a case on katsuki), 166 (another blind acceptance of a selkies lynch), 231 (gets convinced by selkies of a muffin lynch) 236 and 914 (defends aronis the first time, then jumps on the lynch)
over 100 plus posts with almost no content, multiple vote shifts with little to no justification except for blindly accepting other arguments. 270 is the only semblance of scumhunting
SSK is one of my scum reads
2. Cabd - town; seems to be scumhunting in earnest
3. Selkies(fferyllt+orcinus_theoriginal) - null; not sure about selkies. Still adjusting to hydras
4. zMuffinMan - null leaning town; his playstyle is very foreign to me, a lot of his posts lack justification, but it seems as if he reserves his reasoning for posts like 590. out of the three in the neighborhood, he is 2nd most likely to be town imo (after IK and before aronis)
6. notscience King Kenny - null leaning town; this read is a lot my read on bert. Their posts, also kinda like nachos are more conversational than i am used to. i am also thrown off by the whole in thread qt thing they have going on.
7. The Goodfather** - town
8. Nachomamma8 kabooooom - like bert and NS, i am getting a mostly null vibe, but i am leaning scum just because that was how i read his slot while kaboooom was playing.
9. Bert Karlos4 - same as not science, null leaning town
11. Aronis** - scum (most likely scum in the neighborhood). He has changed his votes almost 10 times, altogether voting for 6 or 7 different people, with little to no reasoning each time. seems to just hop on whatever wagon is convenient
12. Idiotking* - like his playstyle, and i think he is the most likely town in the neighborhood
13. Katsuki* - scum - seems to be trying to skate by without doing anything. Maybe his meta, but if this is his town game, he is not an asset to our game at all
those are my thoughts.
I am gonna try to post more in the next couple of days, but i may be busy.
What's the basis for your pushing us to scum to null? You haven't changed the reasoning at all from what I can tell.
What's the basis for your notsci town lean? You've described stuff about his style of play, but there's nothing about what's alignment indicative to it. And how the hell can you characterize bert's play as similar to notsci's in any meaningful way?-
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