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haha, I like the double meaning there.Ectomancer wrote:vote Jack:Because I dont know Jack
Hmm I see. If we keep a couple people tied, at deadline one will be chosen randomly. If we have a scum on there the other scum will have to decide whether to try and get their guy off at the risk of looking suspicious. Sounds good.Well, if several people have a few votes, we can react more effectively to new information than if only one person has a few. I guess I'm taking the verbose attitude to this: there should be about 3-ish "nominated" (ie at high risk) individuals so that we can react to info quickly (I mean, what if the cop claims half an hour before the deadline?) but the scum can't string up one individual suddenly without it being highly noticable.-
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I think I do see a problem with Adele's plan now. It's much too easy for scum to vote townies "to even it up" without giving too much reason.
I've played a bunch of 24-hour day games, and you really do have to post like mad to get anything done.
I'llVote:Adeleon the basis that her plan could be helpful to scum.
Don't agree with Pablito's distrust of OMG's initial comment, in seems to be how he plays for the most part. The others who aren't commenting much I don't see as suspicious, just not prepared for a fast game.-
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Hmm, I still don't agree with Adele's plan. There tends to naturally be a split wagon, and if one person is way ahead it's because they are more suspicious. I see no reason to alter that.
Not convinced supporting that plan is scummy though so I'llunvote
Vote:EctomancerI got a scummy vibe from that post. A lot of justification, but he mostly seems to be echoing what has been said before. The thing is, Adele has explained herself now and the scummy plan = scummy planner connection is much weaker.-
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I don't have any read on you, that's the point. I didn't find the one post scummy and mentioned it.omg_im_innocent_wtf wrote:
mild FOS: Jack. i dont see how anyone could have any read on me whatsoever given what ive posted so far. the only people that know im pro-town rite now are scum.Jack wrote:Don't agree with Pablito's distrust of OMG's initial comment, in seems to be how he plays for the most part. The others who aren't commenting much I don't see as suspicious, just not prepared for a fast game.
please explain how that joke was 'just how i play'?-
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Why did you want to arbitrarily create a front runner? That has the same problems as Adele's plan. Scum can vote for someone who's tied with their partner with part of the justification being "we need a front runner".Ectomancer wrote:
Yes the connection is much weaker. I guess I didnt relate the irony of the situation well enough to you. In order to create a front runner in the voting and oppose Adele's plan, I had to vote for the person with the most votes (but not too many). It happened to be Adele. Hence, my final statement.Jack wrote:Hmm, I still don't agree with Adele's plan. There tends to naturally be a split wagon, and if one person is way ahead it's because they are more suspicious. I see no reason to alter that.
Not convinced supporting that plan is scummy though so I'llunvote
Vote:EctomancerI got a scummy vibe from that post. A lot of justification, but he mostly seems to be echoing what has been said before. The thing is, Adele has explained herself now and the scummy plan = scummy planner connection is much weaker.-
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Hmm, how short were the days in the last 100 mph game? Unless they were 2 days that could be scummy. I would unvote and vote for the other person if I felt a risk of deadline (unless I was sure they were town).Patrick wrote:
I say it because I've only seem scum do it. I'm sure townies have done it too, but it's an argument I've seen from and even used myself as scum. I also remember one of the scumbags from the last game doing that exact same thing. Lynch can in theory come at any time, but after what less than 2 days? No. I would be seriously annoyed with any mod who gave us that fast a deadline. That would be completely stupid.OMG wrote:this is so insanely wrong its not even funny.
lynch can come at ANY time.
if i am on 3 votes and someone else is on 3 votes i am auto-changing my vote to them. why? because i know i am town therefore by saving myself i am saving a townie.
the fact that you dont have this mindset already makes me suspicious of you patrick; particularly when you are using this fuzzy logic to push the wagon of someone who is a likely lynch candidate for today.
The fact that you're saying I'm 'pushing the wagon of a likely lynch candidate for today' is wrong; I'm voting for Estomancer, not bandwagoning against Adele. Being suspicious of me for not having the mindset you describe is also ridiculous - scum would certainly have survival at the forefront of there minds.-
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If you really have no idea who the other person is, they could just as likely have a pro town role as be scum. I do find this thinking kind of scummy, voting to save yourself isn't something you doomg_im_innocent_wtf wrote:[
you misunderstand. both parties would act the same in VOTING TO SURVIVE as adele did. im not making a general statement for the whole game. you have still failed to respond.
why would townies not vote to survive as adele did?unlessyou think the other person might not be town. Scum are the only ones who gladly want the other person lynched.-
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That's not what you said though:Ectomancer wrote: I think that question equates with someone asking "why random bandwagons?" And no, it doesnt have the same problems as Adele's plan. The random end of the day leaves too much in the air when it comes down to determining whether peoples actions were malicious, or bad luck and timing when there are several people tied for the lynch. It's not a good situation for the town. We want the most suspicious person in front.
I also reject your "arbitrary" labeling of my vote. Adele was already the front leader when I added my vote. Her plan was scummy to me, leading me to feel she isthe most suspicious.If she had not been, then I would have needed to look for the most suspicious of the top votes.
In fact you said pretty much the opposite--it "happened" to be Adele. Why do you have to look for the most suspicious "among the top votes"? You should look for the most suspicious period, and make an effort to get other peoples votes on them.So, to avoid a plan that seems to benefit scum more to me, and in the same stroke put a vote on the creator of that plan: Vote:Adele
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In order to create a front runner in the voting and oppose Adele's plan, I had to vote for the person with the most votes (but not too many). It happened to be Adele. Hence, my final statement.
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You really seem to be inserting yourself in a protector role for Adele dont you?Jack wrote:I really think Ectomancer should have the most votes, not Adele.-
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Post 50: He disagrees with Adele's plan (repeating complaints others had had) and votes her. I had voted for her in the past, but her reply had removed most of my concerns. He makes no case for bad plan = scum. His justification seems scummy to me.
Post 51: I call him on this.
Post 52: He agrees that the case is weaker with her follow up posts, but says:
Post 64: I ask him why he wants to arbitrarily create a front runner.Ectomancer wrote:In order to create a front runner in the voting and oppose Adele's plan, I had to vote for the person with the most votes (but not too many). It happened to be Adele.
Post 86: He denies this claims that:
and accuses me of trying to protect her. This is a direct contradiction of his previous post where he "had to vote for the person with most votes" and it "happened to be Adele".Ectomancer wrote:Her plan was scummy to me, leading me to feel she is the most suspicious.
So essentially:
He makes a scummy vote putting someone out in the lead
When called on it he tries to get out of it, but contradicts himself
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You hammered yourself in the last game I was in with you.omg_im_innocent_wtf wrote:
like ive said already, i only ever have my well being in mind. thats just how i play. by keeping myself alive i am protecting a 100% villager. i play like this as good or evil, just check my other games (ogre village mafia in particular) and you will see this.-
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^^her last post doesn't really comment on the game either.
Patrick wrote:I was ok with Adele before. Her justification was alright. But now I am a bit suspicious of her when I read all her posts so far in this game. She has commented mostly on making a plan of some sort, and not so much about suspicions. In particular her last post was made at a time when there was some debate going on, but she didn't really comment on it. Sometimes it is easy for scum to slip by commenting on general strategy. IGMEOY
omg, I feel it will help us more to lynch scum than inactives. Shamrock and scotmany have hardly posted either, why riverwind?-
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I still say voting someone just to make sure there's a front runner is a scummy play. What are your suspicions currently?Ectomancer wrote:If this were fencing, which of course verbally it is, I would say that Jack has certainly scored more points. I doubt that I am as skilled or experienced.
I dont know that I can do a quote by quote rebuttal that would satisfy. A chain of events from my perspective would do better.
It's early in a game that we need to be fast. I dont see much suspicious until Adele posts a plan of action. She is bashed for it enough that she becomes front runner by 1, with 2 tied 1 vote behind. I look at the plan and agree that it would benefit scum more than town. The plan itself called for an even number across a few players making it easier to move in a short time span. As I pointed out, scum have more information on players and are not making blind adjustments, giving them an advantage.
So I take a look at the votes and it "so happened" that Adele was the leader by 1, with my vote putting her ahead and out of the virtual tie with the other 2 players. Done deal, plan benefits scum and she gets put out in front to break it up.
No further thought on the matter. I dont need to figure out what I would have done had she not been front runner.
Jack, you wanted to know what I would have done had Adele not been front runner. But then you use my responses to what Ididdo when sheisthe front runner to claim I contradict myself.-
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hmmm I'm going toUnvote, Vote:Adele
Ectomancer's explanation makes sense now, and Adele came by to post but didn't offer anything. Also, part of why I considered ecto's vote scummy is that he was putting Adele out ahead which could be helping a scum partner. But rereading I see that Adele was tied with me :p
Ectomancer - 2(patrick,pablito)
riverwind - 2 (omg, scotmany)
Adele - 2 ( Ectomancer,Jack)
Pablito - 1 (kenji)-
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This is rather wifom. But I do agree he sounds pro-townish. He only has 4 posts but they are thinking posts.scotmany started his first post (in a while) by first accusing me, suggesting i was scummy, and then the second half of his post says he agrees with what i said and follows my accusation. that makes no sense, a scum player faking it would not risk such a thing. to me it sounds like a protown player just rapid posting his current thoughts. therefore i have a protown tell on him
None of shamrocks posts give indications of him looking for scum.
Hemisphere dancer, 2 posts, no trying to find scum. I don't know why she says she doesn't want to claim not-scum, seems a weird think to say.
Kenji, 2 posts, very poor strategy suggestions.
Riverwind, I think is less suspicious than the other lurkers, simply because he is not trying to hide the fact that he is adding nothing.
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I don't pay attention to what you think would be scummy when I vote or unvote.omg_im_innocent_wtf wrote:
its posts like this that make me suspect you so strongly jack.Jack wrote:Ectomancer's explanation makes sense now
honestly, there is no way that it happened as ecto said in that post, he simply didnt put that much thought in to it. this doesnt say he is scummy, he could easily be a protown just trying to get you off his back because its good for the town....
i find this even more suss that you post this just after ive stated that i think the you v ecto argument is a scum v town one
I think he explained himself quite well. The fact that he would put her out in front was a bonusin additionto voting her because her plan was scummy. He was voting her to create a front runner, but she was also suspicious.-
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I think it weird to not say you are working for the town. In this game, everyone either is working for the town or is pretending to be. You can say "town" without saying vanilla/role.Hemisphere Dancer wrote:
Mm, not quite so weird when you consider that I wasn't in danger of being lynched nor was I a target of any suspicion. It was what, page... 3 or so? Kinda early for a claim. Besides, claiming vanilla would give the scum a confirmed vanilla, and claiming a pro-town powerole would make me a target for both a lynch and a nightkill if the lynch didn't go though. And claiming scum is just stupid.Jack wrote: Hemisphere dancer, 2 posts, no trying to find scum. I don't know why she says she doesn't want to claim not-scum, seems a weird think to say.
I only actually brought it up so I wouldn't be avoiding the fact that I was called lurking scum. Even though I knew it was in jest.
I'm also not really saying much because I'm watching and seeing how things play out. But if you want some input from me...
[quote="HD"omg, honestly, stands out as scummy to me, if only for his "me first" philosophy. Unless we get a cop confirm on his innocence- and I doubt the cop would claim for THAT- then we have no way of telling if he honestly IS 100% town like he claims. And a from-the-start townie claim is suspicious. Jumping the gun, pretty much.
I don't know about the odds behind it, but I like Adele's idea. That way the people we find most suspicious have a better chance of getting lynched, even if it random after that.
....I just realized it took me upwards of 30 minutes between starting this post and finishing it. xD[/quote]
I don't understand you point at omg. No one is 100% confirmable town, except confirmed people and the confirmed cops who've confirmed them. And some other weird cases.
Also, he said he was townie: ie not mafia. That's not jumping any guns, he said that while explaining his voting to save self position.
You sound a bit like you are afraid saying "I'm pro-town" or "I'm not scum" will make people suspect you? Why is that?-
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I originally found her a little suspicious, but it's mainly her making an easy post without adding anything. I don't have any strong suspicions at this point.Ectomancer wrote:It seems I was able to relay my thought process in a more coherent manner, but events since then have me wondering about motivations.
I can understand omg's reasoning for putting a vote on Adele. Jack I dont quite understand, unless he was still always suspicious of Adele and was finally convinced his original hunch was correct.-
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Everyone is 100% townHemisphere Dancer wrote:
Yes, but anyone would say town. So what's the point? It doesn't prove guilt or innocence. I'd rather say "no comment" and know myself than verify as vanilla, powerole, or scum. I said why in my last post. *nod*Jack wrote:I think it weird to not say you are working for the town. In this game, everyone either is working for the town or is pretending to be. You can say "town" without saying vanilla/role.
He's claiming that he wants to save himself because he knows he is 100% town.Jack wrote: I don't understand you point at omg. No one is 100% confirmable town, except confirmed people and the confirmed cops who've confirmed them. And some other weird cases.
Also, he said he was townie: ie not mafia. That's not jumping any guns, he said that while explaining his voting to save self position.
Oh, wait. I think we're seeing the same thing from different angles on this. xD I figure that arbitrarily claiming town while justifying a vote- on Day 1 no less- is scummier than, say, claiming town while trying to defend yourself from a lynch.
Or am I not making any sense? I might be reading your comment wrong. :/
It's not suspicious to say so. Do you still think he's suspicious for saying that?
I'm going to go read a game where omg is scum.-
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You said yesterday that you were happy with the riverwind lynch. What has changed since then?pablito wrote:I have found Ecto to have acted opportunistically and it's more of a gut feeling actually. Just the way he discusses things.
Yamahako seems to be considering claiming, who thinks that is a good idea?-
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My role pm says sane.
I was confident about pablito. If you noticed he started the round really pro town getting everyone talking but eventually kept going after ecto and just sat and watched riverwind get lynched with barely a comment. Clear sign of faked pro-towness.
Yamahako meant that if I don't announce my investigation it makes it harder for the mafia.-
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Pablito was on when I posted my claim. He responds hours later->he had to think of a plan.
My original plan for today was to try and talk to pablito and get a better sense of his partner, and maybe lynch him without claiming. If I had come out and voted pablito he'd know I had a guilty on him and wouldn't reveal anything.
It's generally a bad idea for cops to leave clues in their posts indicating their role, they don't want to be found out. It's also very easy for scum to fake that. I've done it as scum.
OMG makes a strong point here, if you believe pablito, two scum are identified and the game is won for the town, guaranteed. Lynching pablito is win win, you either lynch one scum or find two scum.-
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