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huh.Graken wrote:My PM states, along with the investigation ability, I have a drawback, I can not be protected at night. So I am actually wondering if there is another cop out there
1) Why did it seem like a good idea to share that you can't be protected? If it's assumed you're being protected then the doc's protection isn't exactly "wasted" since whether you really are or not, the mafia would probably prefer to hit someone else. You're playing like youwantto get night-killed.
BTW, is there any flavor explaning why you aren't protected? ta.
2) You expect another cop? So a counter-claim is anything but evidence against you?
Too weird. Not enough for a vote, considering the claim, but certainlyFOS: Graken; that post was mighty odd.-
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I'll add my voice to the chorus of: Flavour, please, Graken! You've already said everything of any use to the scum, may as well finish the job.
1. Graken didn't contradict this, but (I'd infer) thought Graken'd die N1Falcone wrote:
1. Graken said he can't be protected at any night, not only N1, so furhter nights are irrelevant.Dodgy wrote:Ok people, PLEASE no more role claims!
At this rate, the scum will be able to figure out who our Doc is, if anyone else claims.
Its plain madness!!!
As for Graken, you've blown it mate! Revealing that you can't be protected night 1 is a suicidal thing to say, that is... if you are our cop?
I seriously suspect you are but you are saying some very sytange things and I'm starting to think you may be playing us.
I know many people that play on this site, who are VERY experienced, that scrap their details and create new names so that they will appear newbies when infact they arn't.
I think we all need to decide whether we take Graken at face value or whether we think he has made too many stupid mistakes now to be our real cop.
I'm undecided and am watching him closely but would like to hear other peoples views on him.
2. This post seems a little over-emotional, he could be trying to come of as a worried townie.
3. He asks for input from others, then when two people have proposed the (really quite obvious) plan of testing Graken by letting him alive for a night, he calmly states that that's fine with him.
2. There'd been 2 roleclaims by then - post 46! I think emphasis was appropriate
3. Asked for input, got input, used input. How's that suspicious?
It's enough for me:Vote Falcone-
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Hate to repeat myself, but:Falcone wrote:1) I thought that N1 comment of Dodgy was a slip-up that implied he knew something only the mafia could know. I realize now that the mafia probably didn't even get to talk before the game, so even if Dodgy were mafia, he wouldn't know that piece of info.
2&3) The main thing that got my attention was the sudden change in tone between Dodgy's posts 46 and 49. Adele is right that some emphasis was called for, since the two claims we have had probably won't do the town much good, let alone any further claims. And I researched some of Dodgy's earlier games, and his posting style is consistent with some earlier games he was protown in. So I don't have a reason anymore to think Dodgy is scum.
Unvote: Dodgy
It's enough for meUnvote: Falcone-
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armlx doesn't post much, but then nor do I. This is a weird game.
Would it be hypocritical to ask Babyjesus: "why did you vote for him?" at the same time as saying: "um, armlx, could you post please?"
I feel zero compulsion to be angry at anyone here. No-one's insulting people, there are no dumb bandwagons (or smart ones either)... this issucha weird game.-
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i think that is fairly nuts
First off, if you reveal who you targeted and Speedy says he targeted the same guy, the mafiamightmanage to figure out who Speedy targeted.
Second, you believe you are proposing pro-town actions. Why would the scum support you?
Third, you... um...wantpeople to vote for you? Like, to kill you? If you are a townie and you get killed your results will be verified then. If people don't want to kill you because they don't think you're scum and they trust you, why push them to kill you? that doesn't make sense to me.
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I don't know if I trust Graken; him telling us everything the way he did seemed foolish to me and I don't see how he thought he'd benefit town by oversharing. But pursuing that avenue is a job for another day, when we've got more claims and evidence under our belt - we can't be sure this wasn't (or that it was) a gambit knowing what we know now.
Speedy's role looks scummy to me, and the flavor does too.[quote="Poirot]]Plus he's a tabloid reporter. Nothing good can come from that.[/quote]Seriously, are they generally thought of as the "good guys"? Seems like a scum rolename to me.
Vote: SpeedyKQ
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Remember, the "preview" button is your friend.
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Regarding the second point, once BabyJesus (finally) explained his vote for me, I understood it. Obviously I don'tMatjoeman wrote:Back sorry, was focusing on my other mafia game on another site, but now I'm dead.
Yeah I get that a lot.Adele wrote:Every time I see his name, it jumps into my brain anew:
"Matjoe, Matjoeman... I've got to be, a Matjoeman..."
Its been hard for me to read people this game. Your older vote of Adele was scummy, but from what I've heard you do that a lot.BabyJesus wrote:Reading through everyone's posts his stuck out to me....contributing very little, but what he DOES contribute is a whole lot of FOS'ing and casting suspicion on everyone, but not committing himself often with a vote....agreebut I can see where he was coming from and I don't think it was scummy.-
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First, the general point made against Green Crayons. Some people have said that he's not contributed content. If those people would be kind enough to give an example of a good "content" post and explain the distinction between it and GC's I'd be grateful, because GC's contribution sure looks like a solid, fairly extensive, and high content post to me.
He presented quotes and explained why they seemed suspcious to them. He made his position clear. This isn't under-the-radar stuff; he's perfectly upfront about where he stands.
Now, BabyJesus.
I'm starting to get tired of people behaving in a way that does not assist the town (or is even detrimental); in a way that is entirely self-serving whether town or scum but more so in the latter case, and being told: "it's not a scum tell; he's always like that". Well,BabyJesus wrote:
What is the point of a "FOS" for someone thing which you claim is not an indicator of guilt....Green Crayons wrote:
No, their irksome and add nothing to the conversation. It's a wonderfully dull tactic of making himself look like he's active while adding nothing to the conversation. And since it seems to be his general play style, one can't directly derive guilt or innocence from it. AnotherDodgy wrote:LOL, your small comments about why certain people arn't dead yet BJ, do make me laugh , and now your'e asking someone else for their reasoning on why they are voting someone???FoS. I'll vote shortly when I get reactions.. He's FoSing you because your behaviour (while not inherently suspicious) is a good cover for scum.
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I've looked through your posts again.Vote: BabyJesus. I'm ready to hear more content from you. You've shown you're capable, mostly just disinterested in contributing, whether it's caution or laziness.-
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Refusing to contribute doesn't win games. Pressuring people (to provide content, to claim if useful etc), from what little I've seen, does. This isn't me trying to encourage you to take some ivory-tower ideal to heart. Some people only give more when folk go on at them. I think you're one of those people.
Your role? To be honest, having read your posts several times, I don't know what it is. You haven't claimed, and I'm not gonna assume you're a certain role because you imply it.-
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QFT. I have a theory, but I'd rather have a claim. When things are subtle, scum have better chance of figuring it out than townies, so you might as well spell it out.Shamrock wrote:BJ: What's the point of hinting at a role if you think it's "that obvious"? Just tell us so we're not confused
Personally, it drawsBabyJesus wrote:Well duh. Doesn't EVERYONE try to play the same whether they are scum or town? I thought that was the whole point? There's not a single player that wishes they could avoid having a scum tell. Why would that draw your ire?myire because you go too far. You prioritise it too high, sacrificing pro-town behaviour that might put you at risk. And, frankly, if you're a townie who'd rather put the town at risk than yourself, I don't consider you to be on my side.-
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Green Crayons also voted for Speedy. His was the lynching vote.armlx wrote:Falcone, Dodgy, Poirot, Graken, Adele, BabyJesus
Those people lynched SpeedyKQ. I actually forgot about looking back on that. BTW, why were there 7 votes on Speedy when 6 people were voting him?
I'm not sure what point you're making here... that we can infer that your attacks were justified? Anyway, you make it sound like attacking two people on the wagon was rather unlikely. In fact, if you had attacked two people completely randomly, there'd be an 8.3% chance neither of them were on the wagon, 50% chance one of them was, and aarmlx wrote:Anyways, both people I went after were on the Speedy wagon, even without me remembering that. Coincidence? I think not.41.6% chancethat they both were on the wagon. Coincidence? Not exactly spooky...-
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Being as how I was so slow, I've unilaterally decided to stick my nose where it doesn't belong and provide a hint.
I've emboldened certain sections.BabyJesus wrote:
he's dead, Jim.Adele wrote:Game started in day, 12 alive, seven to lynch, right?
Falcone, Dodgy, Poirot, Graken, Adele,BabyJesus. Who've I missed?BabyJesus wrote:
Fine, you're right, and I'm wrong.Green Crayons wrote:If it's seven to lynch and only six have voted... he would still be alive..
halo freak wrote:Vote Count
7, SpeedyKQ (Falcone Dodgy Poirot Graken AdeleBabyJesus)BabyJesus wrote:Oh, and you can't seriously be voting me becuase you think I'm scum.If you don't know my role, then you either 1) completely useless to the town because you're not paying attention, or 2) are scum who doesn't care and just wants to run somebody up.
btw,BabyJesus wrote:You really need to stop skimming. The mod posted the final vote tally,I don't think GC was on it.unvote: BabyJesus-
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Sorry sir...Dodgy wrote:@ Adele, you seem to vote people and then when they stand up for themselves, you unvote.
For gods sake, stand by your convictions for once!!!
Just kidding. I'm no coward, and I don't appreciate the implication. What have I done?
1) I first voted for Falcone because of his reasons for voting for you, and unvoted after he did - due in part to the arguments I presented.
2) I voted for Speedy, I confirmed my vote for Speedy and I stuck by that until he died.
3) Then, today, I voted for BabyJ out of frustration, unvoted when he did what I asked, then voted for him again out of frustration, and when I unvoted it was because, at the end of the day, I'm not that suspicious of him - I just don't think he plays nice.
@BabyJ: could you give us a rundown of why we oughta lynch Matjoe (besides that we should follow you like big ol' sheep)? Ta-
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Okay, you are really getting on my t... nerves. You reckoned that when people stood up for themselves, I unvoted. I said that of the three people I voted for, one backed down, one got lynched, and one was never intended to get lynched anyway. You reply "exactly"Dodgy wrote:@ Adele
Your post addressing my comments about you not sticking with your convictions was upheld by yourself in your subsequent post.
Thays what "Exactly" meant.when I have contradicted you flat?
FOS: Dodgy
I wouldn't be surprised if he was trying to get me riled to distract me from playing a part in real discussions - if I have got the reputation of being that easily enflamed and redirected, darn, it's on me to fix it, but I'm not playing into it.
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"Important" nothing, I think you'd do it to any townie it'd work on.Dodgy wrote:Get over yourself, either you think yourself important enough for me to want to try to stop you from entering into discussions (which is hilarious by the way) or as I suspect, you are angered by my comments and have FOS'ed me for personal reasons, masked by a laughable theory.
armlx has some quick thinking and good talking to do - a good, long solid post from him would help - but I don't think we should lynch him yet. I'm all for giving people one more chance to try to dig out of their hole... and maybe just dig themselves deeper.-
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That he might beFalcone wrote:Adele, are you sure it's a good idea to out the other mason(s)? Mason is a fairly common role, even in Mini games. And I think that when no dead masons appear in a couple of days, armlx' position would become untenable if he were lying.lyingisn't my concern, exactly...-
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I don't want them to come out, exactly, either. I want to know if he has one mason only or if there are more.Falcone wrote:
Then why do you want the other mason(s) to come out?Adele wrote:
That he might beFalcone wrote:Adele, are you sure it's a good idea to out the other mason(s)? Mason is a fairly common role, even in Mini games. And I think that when no dead masons appear in a couple of days, armlx' position would become untenable if he were lying.lyingisn't my concern, exactly...-
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Poirot wrote:
I think I know what this means. Armlx, do you know what she's talking about?Adele wrote:Look, I'd rather not say anything else until armlx replies.
@armlx: am i right in thinking xyz with the ... and only that and hmm?
'cos if so, ooh...
Okay. Nowarmlx wrote:I do know. Whether or not you know what I know that she knows is a different matter.I'mconfused. Which you could argue I deserve
How Poirot knows what I'm getting at, I havenoidea.
armlxshouldknow what I mean, broadly speaking; he hasn't answered my question/concern yet, but It's not urgent; we can leave it 'til tomorrow or whatever.
Do I look like a sheep?BabyJesus wrote:so can we focus on lynching falcone now....
*checks mirror*
Okay, yeah, I do kinda look like a sheep. I ought to style my hair differently...
But, anyway, I'mnota sheep. If you want us to follow your lead, you need to give some kind of reasoning, and not just expect us to lynch someone at your seemingly-random behest.-
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It has been less than thirty hours since Falcone claimed, opened up a claim-test option andgot lynched! That's so wrong. MajorFOS: Dodgy and Poirotfor ignoring Falcone's willingness to prove his claim - and so definately die one way or the other - and throwing their votes on without bothering to give anyone else a chance to remove theirs.-
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By my reckoning, BabyJesus is one of those five, and he's a double-voter, bringing thecountup to 6, so he's lynched.
I was complaining about not having fair opportunity tounvote him, but on the off-chance you're right,
Unvote: Falcone
And I never claimed to be certain of his innocence - but I think this claim is his death sentence one way or the other, so why not give him a chance to be useful to the town?
Possible answer: because your interests run contrary to the town's.-
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Dodgy wrote:MOD, can you tell us if we have a lynch here or not please.
Then me, Dodgy and Poirot. Makes 6, right? Where's the confusion?the Mod, post 367, wrote:Vote Count
3 Falcone (Baby J, armlx)
6 to lynch
He also said he'd follow town consensus. If you thought the Martyr nightkill was dangerous to use, that might have been worth discussing. I guess it's all moot now, though. Twilight unvotes count for nothing.Poirot wrote:Read my third-to-last post. I responded to his post by saying that it made sense, but he threatened to kill me, which is a mistake. Do what you will, tell me when to claim, but Falcone, in the grand scheme of things, could have done serious harm...if we believe his claim in the first place. And I would definitely not want to see two dead townies on day three, with no progress made.-
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