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I did. Pretend I had said exactly what I quoted. That's my opinion.Tasky wrote:why are you, AClockworkMelon quoting youngminii's sentence without saying anything? would you mind expressing an opinion?
In my first game on this site town pulled out a win and they did it without maddeningly switching votes every other post. Indecisive voting is scummy.Tasky wrote:so which strategy would you suggest in the early game for scumhunting?"The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast." Oscar Wilde-
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That's the feeling I had.Equinox wrote:Not to mention the rapid switching makes it look like you're something-that-isn't-town trying to find out what sticks. Heck, that was the first reaction I got when I looked at your voting pattern."The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast." Oscar Wilde-
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If by 'inflexible' you mean 'would prefer that townies are coordinated, organized and rational', then yes. I'd put most of the emphasis on being rational.MagnaofIllusion wrote:
You rather explicit point of view here doesn’t allow for different playstyles. There are any number of players on site who play in what appears to be an erratic style and can effectively scum-hunt doing so. Are you inflexible on your views of what ‘proper Town play’ is?ACM wrote:The town works best if it's composed of coordinated, organized and rational members rather than a mob of individuals who change votes every time the wind blows."The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast." Oscar Wilde-
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b) how would you characterize your playing-style?
Dry.
d) what do you think about bandwagons?
I'd rather people vote for someone because they think they're scum than because they want to follow a trend.
e) what do you think about RVS?
I think it's unnecessary but I've never been in a game in which it wasn't used so I can't be sure."The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast." Oscar Wilde-
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But it being "stupid nonsense" isn't what you used to avoid answering the question earlier:RetroAudio wrote:Tasky, you are attacking players based on their answers to the question, specially those who has thinks you are a scum. Don't you think this is something?
Because the question is basically stupid and nonsense. You should know that.Tasky wrote:why don't you just say no?
I'll ask again: If you had said "no", how could we have used that against you?chihuahua0 wrote:1> Are you Scum?
This is a test question, and almost any answer I use here will be used against me. No answer."The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast." Oscar Wilde-
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I thought that to jump on a bandwagon was to follow a trend. My answer was appropriate.Mindgamer wrote:
Cool. But the question is what you think of bandwagons, not what you think is optimal play.AClockworkMelon wrote:d) what do you think about bandwagons?
I'd rather people vote for someone because they think they're scum than because they want to follow a trend."The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast." Oscar Wilde-
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No.Equinox wrote:
So, was that what you did with your chihuahua0 vote?AClockworkMelon wrote:
I thought that to jump on a bandwagon was to follow a trend. My answer was appropriate.Mindgamer wrote:
Cool. But the question is what you think of bandwagons, not what you think is optimal play.AClockworkMelon wrote:d) what do you think about bandwagons?
I'd rather people vote for someone because they think they're scum than because they want to follow a trend."The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast." Oscar Wilde-
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At the risk of being shouted down beneath cries of "OMGUS!",FOS: Equinox. The 'case' against me is ridiculous. Maybe you're looking for an easy lynch but I don't think you'll find one here. We've had 7 pages of discussion and you're indifferent towards everyone except me? I'm not buying what you're selling, sorry."The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast." Oscar Wilde-
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Sure I can. I'll do it again. You're up in arms because I "have postedEquinox wrote:You can hardly accuse me of being "indifferent towards everyone except [you]" when you, yourself, have postednothingin terms of reads towards players or suspicions.nothingin terms of reads towards players or suspicions" but you're apparently indifferent towards everybody.
I was convinced to vote for Chihuahua primarily because of these two posts.Equinox wrote:Explain what you were doing with your chihuahua0 vote, then. That wasn't you going for an "easy lynch," was it?
Sure thing.Tasky wrote:pick one player (except AWA), look through his ISO and post a comment to everyone of their posts...
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well... I do agree with you that self-inconsistancy is a huge scum-tell,MagnaofIllusion wrote:Second Self-Inconsistancy () is a huge scum-tell IMO. Going out of your way to point out the spelling errors in the sample PM while yourself using h8 in place of hate (along with other issues) is being self-inconsistent. Regardless I don't feel it is anything other than a way to generate discussion in this case.in relation to actual game issues... not if it is related to something like grammar.but if and only if it's related to the game itself
just wanted to point out that logical fallacy, done on purpose or not
Tasky points out a logical fallacy where there isn't any and votes because of it.Tasky wrote:So for now:
UNVOTE: Lemon
VOTE: MagnaofIllusion
Tasky's Vote Count: 2
Oh. Right. His vote wasTasky wrote:
the vote was more like symbolic... I don't have any clear ideas yet, so I am just throwing around my vote and see what happens and what reactions I getAClockworkMelon wrote:Tasky - Seconding Magna's confusion as to your voting for him for sayingexactlywhat you said.symbolic.
Apparently we've regressed to the RVS.Tasky wrote:chihuahua0 wrote:My Chihuahuas conform this by faxinga kittyto Zang's bunny. Many are outraged.
Be careful, this is my first game out of the newbie forums.UNVOTE: MagnaofIllusion
VOTE: chihuahua0
because I absolutely did not get what you said in that first line of yours
Tasky's Vote Count: 3
Tasky wrote:UNVOTE: chihuahua0
VOTE: Mindgamer
for trying to form bandwagonsTasky's Vote Count: 4
I make my opinion known.AClockworkMelon wrote:youngminii wrote:I dunno, it looks like Tasky's just rapidly switching targets. He's already voted for 4 different people so far.
Tasky wrote:I'm definitely going to vote RetroAudio now... for totally dodging my questions:
UNVOTE: Mindgamer
VOTE: RetroAudioTasky's Vote Count: 5
Why would you vote for someone for lurking while asking for them to be replaced?Tasky wrote:AWA:please post!!
@mod:please replace AWA, he/she hasn't posted anything at all in this game...
I'll UNVOTE: RetroAudio
VOTE: AWA
lurkers are not accepted in this game
Tasky's Vote Count: 6
I don't think Tasky's eclectic playstyle is helpful at all. Even if he does find legitimately scummy behavior it's quickly forgotten so that he can nonsensically vote for someone else a few posts later. He'll argue that there's a method to his madness but I the method is broken. Your vote counts for absolutely no pressuring power when people know that you change it at the drop of a hat. Noncommittal behavior, pointless voting, etc, it's all there. But wait. I already had my FOS on Tasky.
Excuse me if I don't feel like saying what's already been said. People are aware of Tasky's behavior without my making this giant post about it."The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast." Oscar Wilde-
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Are you blind or are you being intentionally disingenuous? It's right there in the quoted text. He was saying that inconsistency was a scumtellTasky wrote:the logical fallacy was there... he was saying inconsistency is always a scum-tell, I answered that it's one only if it's related to actual game issuesif it's related to game issues.
Again, I'm just going to roll my eyes atTasky wrote:if you compare the reasons for the vote to the reasons of the votes before and after it, you'll see that your post is nonsense...
I didn't think that small fallacy was a scum-tell... but it's better to vote for a small error than for a random reasonsymbolicvoting. See? -> Btw, there was no small error. Yet again (all together now), he said that inconsistency is only a scumtell if it's related to game issues- exactly the same thing as you said.
"2+2=4"Tasky wrote:
hmmm... maybe that's because that postAClockworkMelon wrote:Apparently we've regressed to the RVS.wasin RVS... please read the game-thread before posting bullshit
"Maybe that's because 2+2=4, please read the equation before posting bullshit."
Don't worry, Mr Internet Tough Guy, no one is asking you to change your playstyle.Tasky wrote:by the way, I play as I like, I'm not going to change my playing-style just because you say so...
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You keep insisting that I haven't read the thread. I assure you that I have. You said that you'd voted for Magna for a reason. If you have a reason to vote for someone that means your vote isn't random. But you later went back to random voting. That's all that I pointed out. I really don't understand why you're making a big deal out of this point.Tasky wrote:
I don't get this...could you make your point a little more explicit?AClockworkMelon wrote:
"2+2=4"Tasky wrote:
hmmm... maybe that's because that postAClockworkMelon wrote:Apparently we've regressed to the RVS.wasin RVS... please read the game-thread before posting bullshit
"Maybe that's because 2+2=4, please read the equation before posting bullshit."
you attacked me because I "regressed to the RVS" so I pointed out that it actually was RVS. since it seems like you didn't understand that I thought that you might not have read the game thread well enough... attacking without reading definitely is a scum-tell"The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast." Oscar Wilde-
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I was mimicking his vote and FOS, not his reasoning verbatim.Tasky wrote:AClockworkMelon... I'd still like to see a comment to this:
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wowowo... let's recall your FoS post:AClockworkMelon wrote:Noncommittal behavior, pointless voting, etc, it's all there. But wait. I already had my FOS on Tasky.
which was mimicing this post:AClockworkMelon wrote:I'm going to mimic Minii's vote on Chihuahua and his FOS on Tasky.
VOTE: Chihuahua
1. I did not recycle information... if you really think so, I want you to quote each one of my posts and link to the post were that information already showed upyoungminii wrote:^ Big scumtell. You didn't give any new information, all you did was recycle information and jump on an already existing bandwagon.
FoS: Tasky
Still keeping my chihuahua vote though.
2. this is much worse: you accused me for recycling information and how did you do that?copying another player's (youngminii's) post... now,that'srecycling information and jumping on bandwagons (FoS-wagons in this case)
if you want other examples of the same thing, there here are more:
first one
second one
so, shouldn't you FoS yourself by that reasoning?"The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast." Oscar Wilde-
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Being an easy lynch does not mean scummy.MagnaofIllusion wrote:
The agreement doesn’t have to be explicit to have happened. You accused someone of looking for an easy lynch when voting for you. By inference an easy lynch is directed at someone who is playing in a scummy manner.ACM wrote:And to Magna, I never agreed with anyone that I was behaving scummily.
I typically post a lot, but in other games I've played in I've been criticized for being too active. I'm damned if I do, damned if I don't.Untrod Tripod wrote:I would also like to weigh in on the ACM debate: ACM, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm getting the feeling that you don't like posting very much at a time. I don't really feel that this is scumtell, but I get the feeling that you feel that the less you post, the less people can pick apart. I'm getting a null read on him, but due to the fact that he seems to like quoting more than restating, I think we need more info from him before we can claim to have a good read on him."The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast." Oscar Wilde-
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I chose Tasky not because you asked me to, but because he did. I'd already put my FOS on him and I'd already criticized his play. He wasn't chosen because of how soft a target he was.Equinox wrote:I realize that sometimes easy targets are scum"The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast." Oscar Wilde-
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Sure, I've got two games that come to mind.Tasky wrote:link,link,link... please link the exact post where you were criticized for being too active...
Would it be a breach of 'discussing active games' if I just linked to a single post or whatever?"The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast." Oscar Wilde-
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I don't understand how you can't see the difference. I think pressuring people with votes is a good way to achieve results but by changing your vote every other post you are partially neutering your vote's influence. Changing your vote constantly isChevre wrote:I guess I should've expected that as the first question.
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Post 56 wrote:What about aggressive voting rubs you the wrong way? This is only my first non-newb game, but I thought putting pressure on someone, perhaps through voting, was a good way to find scum.
Unless I am defining "aggressive voting" incorrectly, these two posts eem to have radically different statements, yet they are only 7 posts apart.Post 63 wrote:The town works best if it's composed of coordinated, organized and rational members rather than a mob of individuals who change votes every time the wind blows.notaggressive voting. It's indecisive voting."The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast." Oscar Wilde-
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My definition was included in the post of mine that you quoted:Chevre wrote:ACM: Can you more clearly define agressive voting? The only way I can define it is if you switch votes frequently and with reason, otherwise it's just regular voting.
And here's why Tasky's style isn't effective at pressuring people:Post 56 wrote:What about aggressive voting rubs you the wrong way? This is only my first non-newb game, but I thoughtputting pressure on someone, perhaps through voting, was a good way to find scum.
If I know that Tasky will change his vote over nothing I'm not going to be under very much pressure when he decides to plants his vote on me.AClockworkMelon wrote:by changing your vote every other post you are partially neutering your vote's influence"The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast." Oscar Wilde-
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Your vote was already on Chihuahua.Quoi wrote:Unvote
Vote: Chihuahua0
You need to understand that it's only hurting the town if you are a townie and don't want to defend against false accusations.
On the other hand, if you're scum, keep it up."The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast." Oscar Wilde-
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What a ridiculous request.Tasky wrote:make up a sample post (very approximative, you can also explain what would be in it), which could be written by chihuahua0 and which satisfies following conditions:
a. It would make you vote for him if he posted it.
b. If another post was even slightly less scummy than that post, you would not vote chihuahua0 for it."The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast." Oscar Wilde-
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Tasky, nobody is going to respond positively to your request because it's BS.
People feel that Chihuahua's current behavior is more indicative of noobishness than scum. You asking people to provide examples of what it would take for him to seem like scum is obnoxious. Next time you get a town read on someone we'll drill you for a sample post of what it would take from them to look like scum. It's a waste of time and frankly I think you're just being a distraction at this point."The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast." Oscar Wilde-
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You can go to my wiki and find a list of my games. I was already told in this thread not to link to active games.nopointinactingup wrote:@ACM: Where is your super talkative meta, I would like to see it."The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast." Oscar Wilde-
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I was already comfortable in my vote on Tasky and this is only making me more comfortable.
I guess everyone in the game is scum, because you aren't going to get any positive responses.Tasky wrote:no... I want to know whether people would be ever willing to lynch chihuahua...
I asked for it, I'd like an answer... a townie would have no problem answering me even if they don't agree that it's useful since they have nothing to hide...
Irony. Do you have any idea how pretentious you sound with theseTasky wrote:I really don't like how you pretend to judge others like that...requestsdemands?"The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast." Oscar Wilde-
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I appreciate the fact that everyone has a style of their own, however, given the fact that I predict everyone, town and scum alike, will react similarly to your demand, I don't see it being effective.Tasky wrote:everybody scumhunts in his way... just because you don't like my way, that doesn't mean it can't be effective..."The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast." Oscar Wilde-
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Going back and rereading it, I have to concede that it was basically OMGUS (I even reassured people that itredtail896 wrote:Her FOS of Equinox is weird too; youwereactive lurking, and she just called you out on it.wasn'tOMGUS in the very same post!)."The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast." Oscar Wilde-
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And to everyone who isn't sure about voting for Tasky yet, I suggest reading my case, redtail's case and Espeonage's case. I'm sort of baffled that more people aren't concerned with his playstyle."The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast." Oscar Wilde-
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At best it's just a pointless waste of time but at worst it shows indecisiveness and opportunism. I interpreted his behavior as an attempt to find a vote that would stick with the town.nhammen wrote:ACM 174: Good examples of Tasky switching his vote around a lot. Which means what? Do you think that this implies scum? If so, why?
Fail indeed.nhammen wrote:Event D) ACM says toretro: "But it being "stupid nonsense" isn't what you used to avoid answering the question earlier:" and shows wherechihuahuarefused to answer the question. (Fail ACM. fail)"The world is a stage, but the play is badly cast." Oscar Wilde-
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