I know you from somewhere but can't remember where. USually those cases ultimately turn out to be "oh yeah I saw him murdering a guy at a bar one time".
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I know you from somewhere but can't remember where. USually those cases ultimately turn out to be "oh yeah I saw him murdering a guy at a bar one time"."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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How did you feel when you stopped beating your wife? I felt about like that."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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unvote, vote: Goatrevolt
I mean yeah, I don't have any reason to think he's scum, but LET'S MAKE HIM LOSE, he BEAT his WIFE guys!"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Oh yes. We hypoclaimed as town in that game and it was very advantageous. It's always good to hypoclaim in games like that. To hypoclaim by twilight at least.Incognito wrote:I modded you in that Open game that I created. Weak M.D.
Twilight.
I hate that book, Twilight.
Vote: Twilight.
Oh I got on such a rant. As for this game, Patrick looks suspicious. Whoever starts pointing the most baseless fingers in the RVS looks fishy to me. But I hope I'm not omgussing."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I mentioned omgussing because I was genuinely unsure of my own ability to respond to suspicions indicated towards me. Was it really silly to cast suspicion on me like that, or does it only seem silly because I know I'm not actually scum?
Answers the other question, why I didn't vote for him. I hear constantly from people in seemingly every game I play that I ought to be voting whoever I'm talking about, but I move my vote as I please. I'm actually somewhat slower with my vote as town than as scum, I'm trying to work on that (slowing down my voting when I get a scum pm, that is).
@Goatrevolt: Are you still beating your wife is a universal meme, it's kind of old and outdated and dead now but my dad still likes it.
@Incognito: I think scum are more likely to take RVS seriously because there really on the average isn't anything there for the first few pages. Town sit around with the mentality "when something scummy happens, i'll move and accelerate the game".
Scum sit around with the mentality "when something happens, I'll move and accelerate the game". This is kind of a chunk of the universal tendency for scum to point fingers at something that isn't a valid tell, but it's a special case because scum are even more restless in the RVS stage, they can't even give thumbsup/thumbsdown to any real scumhunting.
I'm not nuking future games for iamausername's question."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I didn't answer the question because I hate explaining jokes. Do you know anyone that likes explaining jokes?
The point of the qualifier is to emphasize how I want to "lynch 5cuM" (moral) instead of lynch scum. Without the qualifier, you can miss the joke thinking i'm somehow linking his domestic violence to his alignment in this game (a valid avenue for humor, but not the one I felt like using).
This is WIFOM. If people think like me, then it is a profile raise to point fingers in RVS, and he won't do it. If they don't think like me, they can do it and get away with it. But he definitely wouldn't do it if we knew we'd catch him doing it right? silliness./agree with Incognito. Non-rookie scum aren't jumping at the chance to increase their profile during RVS."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Saying he wouldn't do it because it'd make him look suspicious is WIFOM. Maybe that's what he wants you to think. It's WIFOM. I confuddled myself yes but WIFOM is confusing matters.
You asked three questions, only one isn't rhetorical, and I missed it.
I feel like I have no info on Elmo's alignment. Seems like something I'd do as town so based on gut town. (his only post, that is.)"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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THE QUALIFIER IS PART OF THE JOKE. Geez. Is this going to be another brickwall game? I don't think I can handle another brickwall game. I really don't.Goatrevolt wrote:
Meh. Meh. I have reasons for looking at pops beyond him being "a bad comedian" as well. Why not bother to address that? You pulled out a small part of my post, said you don't buy it, said you have differing reasons to be suspicious of the same player I am, and then ignored the rest of my post where I also gave additional reasoning. Weird...NabakovNabakov wrote:
You mean like how your wife beating joke was forced? RL D1 of D1 of an invitational (basically) is a tough crowd, and while I have reasons for looking at pops, it's not because he's a bad comedian.Goat wrote: On a more serious note, I think pops is scum. My vote wasn't random. Something about his first post rubbed me the wrong way. I felt like he was trying too hard to appear casual/joking and it came off as forced. Then he tried to joke when I called him scum, but it felt forced again, and hell, he didn't deny it.
Ummmm...what? The question was 'why did you tack the qualifier that you didn't believe I was scum onto your joke vote?' Considering that qualifier had nothing to do with the actual joke, I really don't buy this response at all.popsofctown wrote:I didn't answer the question because I hate explaining jokes. Do you know anyone that likes explaining jokes?
Why did you care about making sure we knew that you were joking? What were you worried of happening?
I already explained how that clause is integral to the joke. That might also be why it, durhur, isn't separated by something like a period or semicolon.
@Incognito: Think I forgot to point out a misunderstanding a while ago, you saw two quotes "wait for something scummy to happen then move" and "wait for something to happen then move" and you thought they looked exactly the same. You missed the word scummy, omitted from one of the cases. I mentioned this in the mental draft of my post but it didn't hit the page.
Yep. If it were me. All Towntells Are Weak though, but I'm definitely not leaning scum on it like some may choose to.Patrick wrote:More likely to do that as town than as scum?
Gimme sec.Patrick wrote: Can you link to one past game (or MD thread) where you've supported this?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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http://mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.ph ... &&start=25
Scum got restless during RVS in my very first newbie game. Is that enough for you to believe I'm not making it up as I go along?
I don't have a wiki, so it's hard for me to pull links, usually google gives me enough for "lemme read one where you're town""Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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TBH i can see the "joke plus qualifier" of what i said, but they are reading it wrong, (wrong inflection or something), and it ticks me off when people use blinders."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Goatrevolt ninjaed me earlier.
And he's being dumb. I will hit you. With a billy club. Turn your confirmation bias off for more than 3 seconds and read the post again.
Do you see the difference between, "Voting Goatrevolt because he beats his wife. [that must mean he's scum]" and "Voting Goatrevolt, not because I think he's scum, but as punishment for domestic violence"."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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52Goatrevolt wrote: @Pops: What is that last post in response to?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Missed the unvote actually.Goatrevolt wrote:@Pops: Ok, I'm less confused now. I had no clue you were talking about me. 56 is a response to 52 and 53 is a response to 51. I see your point, although I don't get why you continue to be so pissed when I'm not even voting you anymore."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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A brickwall game is a game where I have to argue with brickwalls that may or may not be named GoatRevolt.Jahudo wrote:
@pops: what's a "brickwall game"? Who did you hope you weren't OMGUS-ing, or was it a statement to hope that you wouldn't OMGUS people in the future?
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Pops was already a leader in the first few pages of that game? Is that a fair comparison this early into the game?[/quote]McGriddle wrote:pops was a huge leader in that game, and posted a lot of good content. Something I see lacking in here.
Last game with McGriddle had a breakable set up and I led the breaking. There's nothing to break here so I guess McGriddle is expecting massive scumhunting burdenned by proficiency in its place."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Yes. Yes. Yes.iamausername wrote:
So, what, you think your scum play is super impregnable to anyone else? That onlypopsofctown wrote:I'm not nuking future games for iamausername's question.youcan unlock the secret of scumpops? Don't you think that's a little arrogant?
You aren't really contradicting me with that second sentence. I believe any individual towntell is weak, but they can accumulate. Not all townREADS are weak, buy any one town tell is weak if it's not somehow related to mod info.iamausername wrote:
Not true, certainly not deserving of Authoritative Captial Letters. Identifying town players and lynching everyone else is every bit as valid a strategy a identifying scum players and lynching them.popsofctown wrote:All Towntells Are Weak though
Ecto's 82/83 constitute the most valid case I've seen thus far, so I'm happy with my vote where it is."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Goatrevolt wrote:
Are you seriously still going on about this? If you consider me attacking you on page 1 and backing off you by page 3 "brickwalling" then I'd like to know what you call it when someone actually does tunnel the hell out of another player. My pressure against you was minor, and I backed off relatively soon, all things considered.popsofctown wrote:
A brickwall game is a game where I have to argue with brickwalls that may or may not be named GoatRevolt.Jahudo wrote:
@pops: what's a "brickwall game"? Who did you hope you weren't OMGUS-ing, or was it a statement to hope that you wouldn't OMGUS people in the future?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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All towntells are weak. If there was something that was really a guaranteed way to make yourself look town, scum would do it. In this way, towntells sort of always remain weak. There's few exceptions.
Scumtells happen because people mess up. People mess up, but they can't "awesome up" and do some epic towntell."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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In context, i was asked what I thought of a player. Since I gave only positive feedback, I felt it necessary to say that all towntells are weak so it doesn't sum to a strong town read.Ectomancer wrote:
...and?popsofctown wrote:All towntells are weak. If there was something that was really a guaranteed way to make yourself look town, scum would do it. In this way, towntells sort of always remain weak. There's few exceptions.
Scumtells happen because people mess up. People mess up, but they can't "awesome up" and do some epic towntell.
Did you think it necessary to warn people off of believing people to be town based off a single tell? Why would you not then do the same about single scum tells? (not scum slips, there is a big difference) \"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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.....................55 pages?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I post fluff with both alignments now. I found out it's actually pretty fun."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I said I missed it. You said I was lying. You want me to say: "no, I really missed it?" Doesn't seem worthwhile, somehow.
I post nonfluff sometimes."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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This is scummy, I don't like that (was rereading/isoing)Ectomancer wrote:@Goat - I liked your game starter on Pops. I also think that gut reads are not to be dismissed out of hand. Whether his joked were forced or not depends on familiarity with him. Another opinion feels he is being Pops, and so the case boils down to my original description, a good game starter.unvote
So I guess I'd vote Ectomancer for his halfway support of goatrevolt's case. It's fishy. Seems more like calculating what wagon he wants to be on or off of then continuous feelings about my alignment."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I wanna play dino run. It'd be a great metaphor for my life's escapism anyway."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Jahudo, why did I post fluff in Mafia Jailbreak?Jahudo wrote:I don't see how Ectomancer's post 129 is a town tell, or gives anyone the good feelings. It looks like something he could easily talk about as either alignment, since its mostly in generalizations about how he'll play. It means zilch to me, but I don't see anything from him that looks suspicious.
RedCoyote doesn't look passive-aggressive to me. The contradiction he thought he found on SerialClergyman looked more like he was trying to get a better understanding of those two quotes, rather than try and sit on the fence. Up until his Elmo vote I think he's was posting more reactionary than proactively, as in forming his posts around responses to other people's posts, which could benefit him if he was scum having a hard time forming original content.
I don't agree with Nabakov's McGriddle case over the "bad scum" and "only non-invitation" points. They looked like normal responses, nothing to gain or lose. But I don't see how that translates to Nabakov being scum.
And I do agree with Nabakov on how Elmo hasn't explained his position on anything yet despite his votes. I don't know if this is normal Elmo-play or not.
McGriddle didn't mention the circumstances of the game where pops was a vocal leader. That would be important when trying to argue that pops is "lacking" something here. @McGriddle: Is pops right about the circumstances of that game? Was it breakable?
popsofctown is aware of his fluff meta, and I think he could use it as scum to try and hide behind this null tell. I don't mind some of his jokes, as long as he doesn't use it to deflect from attention. Post 99 looks like deflection. I think he tried to redirect Goat's feelings about him into the fluff posting tell.
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So there's been talk. In this thread. About me. And the f-word.
Jahudo got the question I asked him wrong. Or half correct perhaps. I full read of Mafia Jailbreak would reveal that I continued fluff deep past when it was useful for initiating conversation, with players even saying "The time for that is over now".
A more correct answer would have been that I entertain myself and laugh at my own jokes and become ever so pleased with myself. This has nothing to do with alignment, empirically I don't do it more as scum rather than town, on paper it is foolish as well. Suppose I am under some pressure x, and can either lurk or crack a joke in this thread. Are people going to forget that I have crap to answer for if I come make myself conspicuous with a joke, or skip a day and look at some card spoilers on MTGS? If I lurk.
I've been accused of fluffposting here and there in other games, but not as strongly as here since mafia jailbreak. In that game, there seemed to be several townies who totally believed it was a scumtell and remained unconvinced it didn't matter as long as I produced ample content ("ample" doesn't mean you double it every time I make an offtopic post, that's unfair beeteedubs) all the living mafia in the game who "me too-ed" on to it when they weren't really crafters of the argument, and one vanilla townie who actually read one of my games and also had a brain and refused to vote me. So I expect that pattern to be followed to some extent, and I'm suspicious of the later votes on my wagon. There's not one in particularly that does it so strongly that I'm ready to bite the neck and leech for blood, but Jahudo was disappointing at the very least, I feel like he's seen this before. Instead of developing a patterned model for my play, he went on an extremely WIFOMy angle of logic and said "last time he posted fluff we thought he was scum and he was actually town, so this time it means he's town... BUT THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS US TO THINK DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUN". That's fine as a reason not to count the fluff as a towntell, but selecting one half of a WIFOM tradeoff with the certainty of a vote, without satisfying analysis explaining why you think a certain half of the tradeoff was selected, ( he vaguely mentioned that I was deflective with my fluff or something), is not good.
So Incognito called for more content from me, which is fair, I'm a little behind the curve on content. It's honestly because I'm seeing lots of town this game, I keep checking the thread, seeing town, not posting, and then LoL tells me a match has been found, but my teammate picked Katarina so it's autoloss anyway.
I had to reread ISOs and the thread before I could find much of anything to point fingers at, but I did find a string of stuff I didn't like from SerialClergyman. (I also hate Nabanab as much as everyone else seems to, but it's been gut and I don't get the articulated reasons atm).
First time through I can't figure out what bothers me. Something worse besides the normal fail/slight scumtell from "dude everyone on my wagon is scum".SerialClergyman wrote:Incog points out that I ignored some major material. Goat quotes and expands on that point. RedCoyote quotes THAT and expands on THAT point. I bet there's scum in those three, and even further I would guess it's Red. The original point was nowhere near strong or unusual enough to get this kind of reaction.
It's the way it's ordered. It's sort of subtly arranged in a circular logic form that reinforces the argument with the argument itself.
If you naturally ordered these thoughts yourself, you'd say "Incog points out I ignored some major material, when it wasn't even a big deal. Goat jumps on the molehill too, quoting him and expounding. Then RedCoyote quotes and adds even MORE. One of them is scum, and I bet it's red"
Instead it's out of order. The conclusion that one of them is scum is put before the opinion that it is not a major deal. So by the time you get to the end, you believe it wasn't that big a deal because one of those three is scum. Because they made a big deal of it. It's ordered for circular logic. Even if you don't buy that, it's not ordered logically and town roles are the ones that want to argue things in a clear, logical fashion rather than just spray and pray.
The "overly defensive" attack should be used sparingly, but I think it's valid here. Serial Clergyman clearly indicates that there are two separate reasons he didn't comment on the case, and that either one was independently sufficient to excuse him of commenting. Yet he takes the time out of his day, and adds space to our thread to explain both reasons. Why not just one and be done with it? Most people just pick the strongest reason that could stand alone and don't go on and on.SerialClergyman wrote: To answer the charge - I read Goat's case on pops and didn't feel the need to comment. While Goat checked the time was 4 minutes after his post, he didn't check that that time in Sydney would have been about 3:30am, and that was my last post before going to bed, which explains it's brevity. But even then, I would have commented if I felt I had something to add, I just didn't.
It was probably 2:30 in Sydney and he thought, "I'm tired and it'd be easier to wait for the litmus test for pops to come back from the lab before i comment on it anyway."
Wasn't my reaction at all, and I think the strength of his certainty suggests he's playing Sponsor a Townie.SerialClergyman wrote:I think the above is both utterly believable and very unlikely to come from scum.SerialClergyman wrote:I didn't like one part of Nab's post (that I was oging to for other reasons stuff is a minor scumtell) but I'm not sold on him.
I would like Patrick to say something concrete after his last post, hence my question to him about his suspects.Elmo wrote:Jahudo wrote:Greetings, myself and my associate Nabakov are your assigned nightkill provision officers for this game, please don't hesitate to ask us if you have any enquiries
Independence 0, Opportunism 1SerialClergyman wrote:I was thinking the same thing could be possible, Elmo.
unvote, vote Nabakov
Can I haz your thoughts so that when you haz my thoughts they will be like your thoughts and you won't think the thoughts i haz are scummy?SerialClergyman wrote: Neither of you mentioned McGriddle's bizarre, selfadmitted-ignorant vote. Thoughts?
Well that's all for now."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I made a very large post and got ninja'ed several times.
By giftwrapped case, he means a case that is easy to piggyback on, take ownership of, and push to lynch.RedCoyote wrote:
This is really, really awkward sounding. I don't like this at all. At no point did I ever consider pops a "giftwrapped case", and just the notion strikes me as misleading.SC 195 wrote:It may not be surprising, but you're using it as evidence against me. You're suggesting that it's likely that Serial(scum) is more likely to completely ignore a giftwrapped case on Pops(???) and instead push (however feebly in your opinion) suspicion on Nabarov(scum mate).
I feel like I have to take a pretty big step into scum mindset territory just to figure out the term though.."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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NabakovNabakov wrote:and the unifying theme of pops wagon was that he was unrepentantly drawing attention to himself.
lawl"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Incognito wrote:@popsofctown:
Why is your vote still on Goatrevolt?
unvote, vote Serial Clergyman
This is actually one of those things where I suddenly remembered while I was in bed that night, but was too tired to get up. I thought "Wait. When I longposted I forgot to put my Serial Clergyman vote at the beginning or the end. Ack"."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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You gave a town read, with no reasoning. You only gave the post that caused it. If you posted a scum read with no reasoning but a post number and voted on it, I would jump on you. Can I not jump on you for starting a process of elimination that will also lead to a vote on some logically remaining scum later in the game, if it also lacks reasoning? I think I can, I think I can, I think I can.SerialClergyman wrote: c) Sponsor a townie - I'm a massive advocate of town tells, you can look at most of my meta or anyone who's played with me to verify. I even went through a phase where for day 1 I specifically DIDN'T scum hunt as town, instead just looking for people I wouldn't want to lynch and lynching literally anyone else. I just finished a98 page game with iam as mod where a major factor in our winning was a town read elvis and I made on each other on page 2. If I see something town-looking, I'm calling it out. Theory arguments that it's a bad idea for a scum hitlist are stupid. If we could use a cop or something to give us 3 confirmed town right now, we'd do it, yes? You only need 1 more obvtown than scum left in lylo to win.
So, in short, I'm big on town reads, I'm loud about them.
This is a misrep of my argument, but perhaps I didn't make that point clear enough. You indicated in one post that you weren't convinced on Nabscum. Then some people voted him. Then without identifying any reason that pulled him over the threshhold, but instead quoting a REASONLESS votepost and saying you agreed, you vote him. That's not cool.SerialClergyman wrote: d) Lack of independence - Probably the worst of the lot given in B) and C) he's shown instances where I WAS independent. I think grabbing all of the times where I've agreed with people or asked for thoughts without acknowledging I've made several of my own observations throughout the game (initial suspicion on nab for his 'I have other reasons' comment, declaring patrick town, declaring ecto town, declaring iam town, suspecting Red) - all of which I think I was either first on or had unique reasoning.
Bed time.
You voted me saying "I was aware of my fluff meta and could be using it to make myself look town". Something like that. It was very WIFOM. I probably ought to quote it.Jahudo wrote:popsofctown wrote:Instead of developing a patterned model for my play, he went on an extremely WIFOMy angle of logic and said "last time he posted fluff we thought he was scum and he was actually town, so this time it means he's town... BUT THAT'S WHAT HE WANTS US TO THINK DUN DUN DUUUUUUUUUUUUN".
What?popsofctown wrote:I keep checking the thread, seeing town, not posting, and then LoL tells me a match has been found, but my teammate picked Katarina so it's autoloss anyway.
As for the other, I said when I checked the thread I was seeing nothing but town. I don't post anything when I see nothing but townreads. Other less intelligent players in this thread do, in order to form a more perfect itinerary for the scum nightkills, but I keep it to myself, so I'm left with nothing to comment on unless I need to defend myself or can find some scum.Jahudo wrote: popsofctown is aware of his fluff meta, and I think he could use it as scum to try and hide behind this null tell."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Goatrevolt has the most posts. He just posts whatever he thinks. So surefooted."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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You two are beating around bushes. What are you getting at?SerialClergyman wrote:Yes, I'm bothered."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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who brought up CSL?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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The heat on Elmo is bleches and smeckles. Elmo had no content to start out with, then she suddenly posts a large Info post, specifically stating why she did so and telling everyone all he could draw from it. (which wasn't much. I looked at the rainbow and couldn't draw anything either, yet at the same time was optimistic that I could. Thus I could understand someone constructing it but then not having a Golden Ticket post about how it leads to scum. And really if he went to the trouble to construct that you know he has to post it, whether or not she could figure out anything.
Thing is, Elmo was posting very little content per day to begin with. Why is he suddenly getting heat for posting info? It's not negative analysis, it's just not analysis.
The accusation that post count is a useless statistic is wrong. I've been accused of not putting out enough content this game. Even if it weren't so, it'd be relevant, it's always a decent barometer of various activity levels and a check for who is flying under the radar (like Jahudo).
If Elmo was under any heat for lurking to a lesser extent than IAU and Jahudo, then I'd see the IioA argument, but as-is it's misapplied.
What's the case on Jahudo, Incognito? I've posted my own gripes about him going after me in a way I felt weak, and know he's lurking, is there anything else I could be inspired with?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Because "No U" doesn't hunt scum very well SC.
Elmo just really seems like a red herring to me. It's unarguable her content is low. But I feel like he's not hiding that it's low, or trying to post in a certain way to active lurk. He just seems genuine to me. It's reminiscent of Hoopla's play in Caught in the Crossfire. Or maybe it was the game before Caught in the Crossfire. Some game with hoopla in it.
Jahudo's low content definitely is less genuine to me, and Incognito's mention of him narrating the thread or playing Larry King jogs my memory.
I still like my SC vote. He pings my gut real hard. Speaking of gut i'm hungreh."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Jahudo wrote:My feelings haven't really changed. I still think pops looks scummy. I don't really like the Nabakov wagon, except for one point that I do like. Hopefully this makes me look good if the wagon pull through on its own, but gives me an excuse to vote if it needs help.
Besides that I have bad feelings about Goat and Patrick, I'll withhold my reasoning so I can make it up later if I must and can flipflop as needed. Ima, Ecto and Red are town, town, and scum, but not necessarily in that order because it's about that time of day for playing buddying mindgames.
I'm gonna totally ignore people voting or attacking me, I'll just ride it out and hope others get more attention.unvote, vote Jahudo"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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OBVIOUSLY.Jahudo wrote:Hey, I don't remember saying all that. I haven't said anything new about my feelings of the Nabakov wagon, so why has it taken you this long to find it opportunistic?
So opening yourself up to flip-flopping is scummier than continuing to keep my gut feelings to myself? Duly noted.
I haven't seen any questions directed at me, and I don't have any bad feeling about Incog's vote on me. Of course, you just look like you've been waiting to vote me for a while on old reasoning, but were afraid of the OMGUS backlash of doing it too early.
CLEARLY.
EVIDENTLY.
APPARENTLY.
No. I thought SC was scummier, until you made a post that has more waffles than Ihop.
But it's good to know people voting you doesn't cause you to have bad feelings. That's an obvjesterclaim. I love you enough to help you to that wincon.
@McGriddle, hopefully you were just trolling, but the quote I made is a generously edited version of Jahudo's preceding post, and not a quote at all.
teehee. That's the I word. Not the A word.Ectomancer wrote:Without the colors, you might assume that all the way up to Incognito could be "town" or that all the way down to Elmo was "scummy". It offers far moreon individuals the way he did it. [emphasis pops's]information
Except the way McGriddle has been behaving it upsets me more, compared to Elmo."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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analysis."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Ectomancer, are you angry that dimes are smaller than nickels? I am.
Jw."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Maybe Patrick didn't vote because it would have holes in it. I know this is foreign to some people, but some people think that you don't have to vote just because your suspicion on someone is >0. It's symbolic of "I would not lynch this person if it were hammer time"."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Oh there's a page 13? Geez leweez."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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It was no different in function than quoting the post and explaining why it was scummy. It's just a more sarcastic method. How about you discuss whether or not my arguments are valid, rather than suggest I'm "meanie scum who uses sarcasm".RedCoyote wrote:
He's altering Jahudo's post to make it look like that is what he "really" means. I don't like that either. In fact, I think it's pretty darn unnecessary and needlessly frustrating to make a post like that. pops is doing just about everything he can to completely reverse my earlier townread of him. Moreover, I don't even get the immediate swap to Jahudo, right after he got through telling us he was still comfortable with his SC case.McGriddle 279 wrote:Did you combine a few posts? Because I hadn't noticed that post before, but it is definitely something to look in to.
OH MY GOSH I DID IT AGAIN!!!!
Totally am comfortable with the case on Jahudo, but have become more comfortable with the case on Jahudo. I pressured SC, and he responded with a defense. Jahudo is under a little pressure and still refuses to take a defensive stance. Clearly he needs motivation.
[This bit is out of order. It was sitting on the clipboard, I forgot to add it to the other post]
What? Getting at?Ectomancer wrote:
...well...I can only guess what you might be getting at.popsofctown wrote:Ectomancer, are you angry that dimes are smaller than nickels? I am.
Jw.
If I were to hazard a guess at its meaning and formulate an answer, I would say that there is a vast difference between confronting your accusers head on and taking ineffective shots at their own "contribution".
I was seriously asking whether you are angry that dimes are smaller than nickels. It just doesn't make sense. Why would the US do that? It makes a serious difference when I'm fishing for change out of my wallet. The dimes get me closer to the hershey bar but the nickels are more prominent. It's rather infuriating.
Lol, next time I get attacked for posting fluff I'll say it makes other people post content so my karma is good.
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What's there to defend? The actual vote post didn't have anything to comment on or defend against.Incognito wrote:I don't understand why Jahudo didn't really bother to defend himself from my vote and only seemed to do so only after receiving another vote from pops.Then at least say soWithout people sending the swat team. And you know I was talking about you too.
I do! I do! I do!Elmo wrote:
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So this looks really similar to "not posting reasoning until asked to" (i.e. dragging it out of him, ZOMG) to me. Do you see where I'm going with this?Jahudo wrote:But I don't mind showing my work:
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He's given up kinda early. Usually if I have an iffy claim I try to combine that with a defense rather than apologizing for my lynch like it's a foregone conclusion."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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The quote was directly underneath the source material. Only McGriddle could make the mistake of missing what I did there because he's a bit of a tonto.RedCoyote wrote: It is when you have players thinking that Jahudo said it. I mean, why not just post below the quote, pops? Conform to the norm.
"it" here refers to my post. But then you start going on about me riding an "ongoing sentiment". Considering I was the very first person to make that post replying to Jahudo's, I think it's rather impossible that the ideas in that post weren't my own.RedCoyote wrote:
Moreover, I didn't like it. The whole attack against Jahudo seems like you're trying to jump onto an ongoing sentiment to buy yourself credit rather than something you've been sincerely dwelling on. Like I said, I don't get where you are coming up with this idea that Jahudo was making a play for NabNab. It seems very artifical and concocted.
TBH, it probably seems "artificial and concocted" because that one's weak and I added it so the entire quote is parodified. Leaving much of it in its original form is kinda like having a poem where only 2 lines don't rhyme. You know?
+1 cookies. Particularly with the whole. "oh, um actually goons show up as VT and mafia roleblockers and stuff show up as 'roleblocker'. Sorry guys, forgot to think about how it'd work if it was a town role."SerialClergyman wrote: Anyway, role cop is an odd role. I think it's entirely likely he's a mafia role cop who's claiming the role as town. Either way, it's not enough for me to want him in the game.
I don't know what I think of Naba btw, besides his last few posts which aren't great. I'll reread him if you guys don't lynch him on your own, but it looks like y'all are going to."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Not gonna answer my currency question? Scum."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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You ninja'ed me. Be fair."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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My attack on Jahudo is genuine. All I can say is I think it's good stuff, maybe you should read it again.iamausername wrote:
Huh, I'm getting pretty much the exact opposite. I disagree with a lot of what he's saying, but I'm getting a good gut feeling from him.SerialClergyman wrote:I don't get Red, I'm finding him really confusing. I have the odd gut feeling where I don't like part of his posts, despite liking a lot of what he puts forward. It reminds me of Plum's posts in your last game, iamausername - don't know if you remember.
Shh! I'm trying to lull the scum into a false sense of security by coasting through the first day so they don't nightkill me and I can own them tomorrow.SerialClergyman wrote:I've played a lot of games with iamausername and I'm just feeling him as town for the moment. He seems to be operating off his gut and speaking his mind without being hassled about essentially anything and I like that. I'm waiting for him to click into gear though, I suspect when he does that his alignment will be obvious to everyone, not just a gut read by me.
Oh alright. A little taster of the ownage I will be bringing tomorrow; here are some reasons why pops is a good alternative (Well, was. Post-claim, I don't think there is any reasonable alternative to hammering NabNab. Right away.)RedCoyote wrote:
You need to give more than this before the day ends. Seriously, I'll come up to bat for you against a player like Elmo, but you need to give the town more than this.iamausername 302 wrote:pops. pops is the reasonable alternative.
Here is what pops has to say about Jahudo failing to respond to a single vote from Incog:
Here is what pops has to say about NabNab failing to respond topops wrote:Jahudo wrote: I'm gonna totally ignore people voting or attacking me, I'll just ride it out and hope others get more attention.fivevotes, including mine which made a point of alerting everyone to the fact that NabNab was ignoring these votes:
This attack on Jahudo thus does not strike me as genuine.pops wrote:
Other things pops attacks Jahudo for:
- Giving scum reads without reasoning
- Giving town reads without reasoning
- Expressing conflicted feelings about the NabNab wagon
The first two points aren't totally inconsistent with pops' play up to now; he made the same rubbish attack on SerialClergyman earlier in the game, but still, if pops considers a lack of reasoning to be a major scum tell, it again seems odd that he's had very little to say about the NabNab wagon, which has been characterised by a distinct lack of stated reasoning.
Basically, the way pops has reacted, or rathernotreacted, to the NabNab wagon seems to be totally at odds with the things he is attacking people for.
There's also this:
pops trying to bring the Information Instead of Analysis tell to bear on McGriddle, not Elmo. a) It's another inconsistency in whether he considers something to be a tell or not, and b) it does not actually apply to McGriddle anyway. The point of the IIoA tell is that someone who is just giving a list of the game's events with no commentary, or something like that, is scummy. When the information in question is "who McGriddle thinks is scum/town", it's not Information Instead of Analysis, because that Information is, in fact, Analysis. Not very detailed Analysis, granted, but Analysis nonetheless.pops wrote:
teehee. That's the I word. Not the A word.Ectomancer wrote: Without the colors, you might assume that all the way up to Incognito could be "town" or that all the way down to Elmo was "scummy". It offers far moreon individuals the way he did it. [emphasis pops's]information
Except the way McGriddle has been behaving it upsets me more, compared to Elmo.
Now somebody drop that hammer.
I don't know what anyone is attacking Nabakov for. I figured reasoning is there, but I'm too lazy to go look at it, or didn't get it first read through. I've said this before, I only feel that I owe a thread one readthrough when I commit to a game. If I saw a fallacious attack on Naba, I'd go to bat on it, but I didn't notice one. I can't complain that there aren't reasons for attacking him because I'm not sure there aren't any.
IioA is an excellent tell, but everything matters in context. In context of all of Elmo's play, taken together, I don't think it was a scumtell for her. If the previous posts were "Quit lurking Elmo" or "<a bunch of people with equal involvement in a game where contribution levels are a total nonissue>" or "<Elmo avoiding direct questions>" (she always seems to comply afaik) then the same exact post would be an issue but that wasn't the case.
McGriddle's rainbow wasn't very useful. A green name, wow, a player who may be scum or town thinks this guy is townish, I can't do a lot with that. It was definitely coming from a lurkery player who's contribution and involvement was under question. And it was definitely a lot easier to drop a couple paragraphs under that and explain the colors there.
I see analysis as an explanation of how various factors lead to a certain conclusion. "player X is scummy" is a statement of fact, I don't see that as analysis, I see it as information.
More importantly, "player X is scummy" is Information if you follow the spirit of IioA: trying to catch on to the issues scum have simulating real scumhunting, and how they relapse into posts that aren't a scumhunting process. Scum can print out a rainbow list all day, you can do it with a friggin random number generator if you want to. Townies can analyze."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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I already explained my good stuff.
I don't have a read on naba naba, besides his last one or two posts. Other than that, pretty much null on him. Don't know where you get this massive naba gut read from."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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That was six days ago. He did bug my gut back then, doesn't do so now. *shrug*
@McGriddle: confused your coloring with elmo's, from memory. I read the post."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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i read the post...."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
"What? Nothing? You would make the prince suffer over... nothing?"-
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Lol, I'm everyone's second choice for a lynch.
I think just everyone in the town feels like they are allowed to say that."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
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369 is really long
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Doos I reeeeeally gotta read that? XD"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Well it's kind of obvious that the way Goatrevolt commented on Elmo's alignment was totally out of line, and scummy too (If Nab flips scum, it's clearly the certainty tip. Even if he flips town, I think it still could be a certainty slip, because a townie would say Elmo is probtown and be unsure about his Nabkov read in the first place, it's more conceivable for scum to totally reverse the statement on Elmo's alignment rather than move it to the correct level of certainty. Gosh, I cannot be succinct today)RedCoyote wrote:374
I don't think anyone in the town liked that, afaik, so I don't see how Goatrevolat is "popular" in that respect.
BTW guys, I almost wrote popsofctown on my World Religion exam for my name. I actually wrote the p. loooooool.
This post has been edited, and subsequent duplication posts have been deleted - Hoopla."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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There was lots of strange computer failure that produced that.. Don't even remember attempting to quote that text.
It would be nice if Hoopla deleted all those dupes. The only unique part is the small snippet at the end.This is what Pops's post should have been wrote:
Well it's kind of obvious that the way Goatrevolt commented on Elmo's alignment was totally out of line, and scummy too (If Nab flips scum, it's clearly the certainty tip. Even if he flips town, I think it still could be a certainty slip, because a townie would say Elmo is probtown and be unsure about his Nabkov read in the first place, it's more conceivable for scum to totally reverse the statement on Elmo's alignment rather than move it to the correct level of certainty. Gosh, I cannot be succinct today)Redcoyote wrote:374
I don't think anyone in the town liked that, afaik, so I don't see how Goatrevolat is "popular" in that respect.
BTW guys, I almost wrote popsofctown on my World Religion exam for my name. I actually wrote the p. loooooool."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
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I had issues with the site and the computer. It gave me a weird message that I thought meant I hadn't submitted anything, apparently I had actually accidentally pasted some of the thread into my post and submitted it several times."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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You aren't allowed to be that certain unless it's modconfirmed.Goatrevolt wrote:Elmo is town because he was the first to jump on Nabscum when Nab decided to push McGriddle. That's really unlikely to be busing.
Glad to hear you plan to straighten up Goatrevolt.
You and RC keep - butting heads- a lot. Not sure what to make of it. I get the feeling they have the same alignment. IMO players argue most fiercely and ferociously when that's the case, especially like this where both sides are like "you don't get my points!" "You don't get my points!" "*howl*" "*bleat*" BLOOD EVERYWHAR!"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Fence sitting isn't a scumtell. Posting a response to all these attacks that were pages and pages ago is laughable and just reveals you've been avoiding suspicion and trying to let it die down, like I've suggested."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
"Well, I..."
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Negating a premise does not always negate a conclusion. If a bean is yellow (recessive trait), it definitely had a yellow parent. If it is not yellow, it did not definitely not have a yellow parent.
So waiting for pressure to get so large to respond does show that he was avoiding suspicions.
Btw, do you really have to keep that avatar?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Goatrevolt's [weak sauce] reasons are independent of Nabakanov's alignment tbh. He's still hung up on the early game joke and thinks I was lying about not noticing an unvote, and doesn't like when I post fluff.
Wrong doesn't equal scum. GR doesn't scumhunt the way you would but he's trying as hard/harder than you are. Wouldn't you rather lynch a troll sleeping in the back of the nabakov haywagon?
What's worse is, right now, you don't think he's wrong. You think he's right, you're saying you like the target of the case. How on God's green earth can your honest read of the game be a goatrevolt/pops scumteam? Goatrevolt spawned, picked up a battlerifle, and started shooting me in the head since the moment this game started. That's not how bussing works. You know better than that.
Scum don't attack a teammate when they have better options.
And it's becoming most of your posts, goatrevolt goatrevolt goatrevolt. I don't think townRC can read the game this poorly.
You seem willing to do nothing but fight with goatrevolt all day, then just go with whatever wagon becomes necessary by the end of today, because you "don't like" every player (except the ones that wouldn't come up for a lynch anyway).
unvote, vote: RedCoyote"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Bussing works where about half a case builds on someone, then once it has 2 or 3 members, a scumbuddy decides whether or not that player will probably die whether or not he helps the lynch. If the lynch is going to happen either way, the scumbuddy joins the wagon and starts coming up with reasons and trying to make the lynch his own.RedCoyote wrote:pops 409 wrote:Goatrevolt's [weak sauce] reasons are independent of Nabakanov's alignment tbh.Goat 155 wrote:Wouldn't be surprised if Serial or Pops or both are scum with Nab.Goat 188 wrote:Nabakov tried to discredit part of my push against pops while also pushing pops himself for differing reasons, which is why I initially found him suspicious. As soon as the pops thing died out, Nabakov basically just kind of stopped putting any pressure on pops anymore.
This is a first for me. pops coming to bat for the player that just voted him, clarifying why it is Goat finds him scummy.Goat 381 wrote:Pops is also scum. I've already elaborated on the Pops/Nabakov interaction earlier in the day, and basically he's been pinging my gut over and over with things he's said.
Don't let these little details get in the way of the show you and Goat have been putting on for us though.
How does bussing work, pops?pops 409 wrote:How on God's green earth can your honest read of the game be a goatrevolt/pops scumteam? Goatrevolt spawned, picked up a battlerifle, and started shooting me in the head since the moment this game started. That's not how bussing works.
Putting me at such high risk for a lynch yesterday from the start of D1 makes no sense for scumGoat and scumPops, and I know you're better than this. I haven't seen you this off-base since nonny's game. You at least made sense in Crossfire."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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The problem is that when you do post
It's active lurkringrish.Jahudo wrote:My feelings haven't really changed. I still think pops looks scummy. I don't really like the Nabakov wagon, except for one point that I do like.
Besides that I have bad feelings about Goat and Patrick, I'll elaborate if I think they're scummy or just playstyle things I've noticed. Ima, Ecto and Red look pretty town.
Haha, I <3 Elmo.Elmo wrote:
Zeez bad feeliks you haff, are zey from ze stomack or zee liveer?iamausername wrote:Also I have bad feelings about Incog, but I haven't yet figured out why. I'll let you know if I do.
You can call this post a waste of space, but it's no more a waste of space than the quoted material tbh."Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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Pressure always increases the danger someone will be lynched. The more they are forced to defend themselves, the more likely they are to slip up and say something wrong. Scum Do Not Wish to Post, so pressuring me D1 created danger, even if it was impossible to cut off discussion and wagon me based purely on the RVS stage tell.
Why is the interaction suspicious? Would you have me vote Goat or believe in a Goat-Pops pairing Ectomancer? I have the same read SC and Incognito have of Goat, and the one you seem to. How is my play more consistent with scumPops townGoat than it is with townPops townGoat?"Let us say that you are right and there are two worlds. How much, then, is this 'other world' worth to you? What do you have there that you do not have here? Money? Power? Something worth causing the prince so much pain for?'"
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