Mini 937 - Mafia on Death Row OVER

[GreenDude]

/trilobite

I really should write something here but I don't know what.

[GreenDude]

Voting with no reason BrokenBlueprints?
That shows you are lazy.
Lazy people are anti-town.

Vote: Broken

Blue

Prints

[GreenDude]

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... ckemgenius

Pickemgenius is right!
DeathSauce is a liar.
Lynch all liars.

Vote: DeathSauce

[GreenDude]

Oops, misread that.

Pickemgenius is wrong!
Pickemgenius is lying about deathsauce being a liar.

http://www.mafiascum.net/wiki/index.php ... DeathSauce

Vote: Pickemgenius

[GreenDude]

Happy Pi Day DRK!

Is this a coincidence that we were talking about pi and then it's pi day?

Thanks!

And no, it's actually a conspiracy. Something to do with rhubarb jello I think.

-DRK

[GreenDude]

Why did pickemgenius want to edit Deathsauce's wiki?

Random Theory: Deathsauce and pickemgenius are both scum and are trying to
distance themselves.

[GreenDude]

My theory was just a random thought. I tend to post many of my thoughts. Can't hurt.

[GreenDude]

I find it unusual that deathsauce thinks my theory that he and pickemgenius are scum is well thought.

[GreenDude]

Sorry for some reason i can't understand this, please tell me if i have this right. We shouldn't let people active lurk by only posting unimportant things, because people that do could be scum using a common scum tactic?

Yes you got that right. But not because they could be scum but to get discussion going. Early in the game there isn't much information on people so we need discussion.

[GreenDude]

Happy St.Patrick's day! My favorite day of the year.(actually not)

In other words he's going to throw out garbage theories in the guise of "random thoughts", allowing him to test the waters for a possible lynch before gunning for it.

That is one way of seeing random thoughts. But there is no way that someone would be lynched because of such stupid little things. So there's no reason to "test the waters" for something that won't happen.

Note that he throws out the theory without either A) providing any evidence or B) prodding DS and/or PEG for more information to confirm or deny it. He has no pro-town purpose in throwing it out there. He just throws it out there, exactly like a townie wouldn't.

I was wrong to call it a theory because it was just an idea. But a theory is like an possible explanation to something. Which it was.

A) Why should evidence be provided if it isn't not supposed to cause a lynch or start a bandwagon but simply create discussion (ironic isn't it?)

B) Why "prod" if the point is not to lynch or bandwagon but to create discussion.

And when MME wonders if he's serious or not, rather than give a straight yes or no answer, he says it was "just a random thought". Lame excuse for a lame theory.

Since you didn't understand what I meant by "just a random thought" I'll translate: IT WAS NOT SERIOUS.

Yes, lame theory. At least if it was a theory.


How will lynching me win the game?

[GreenDude]

TheorieSSSS plural...

I only said one theory.

So if I don't do that anymore then I'm not longer anti-town. And there's no reason to "do away with me".

[GreenDude]

Oh and that's L-2 btw. I predicted this would happen.

[GreenDude]

Predicted is the wrong word. I thought that this would happen. Reason to follow later.

[GreenDude]

It is really interesting how much conversation we got between SAMP and Zodiark. And I now know it is stupid to post random ideas without evidence or prodding.

Now I will say why I thought that many people would jump onto the bandwagon. In the next post.

[GreenDude]

Two people were already voting for me: BrokenBluePrints (rvs), and SAMP (not rvs)

And My Milked Eek, Pickemgenius, and possibly deathsauce were ready to vote for me as well.

Mme’s reason:

- I don't like greendude linking two players already (not sure if he's serious)

Pickemgenius was one of the people I said could be scum and he also had the most votes on him and wanted the pressure put on someone else.

And deathsauce was the other person I pointed at but he didn’t think I was serious.

But at 4 votes L-3, someone is likely to jump onto a bandwagon like that.


And what actually happened: My milked eek and pickemgenius voted and MafiaSSK hoped on the bandwagon.

Now my theory here is that Super Awesome Mega Pimp posted his “important public service announcement” because he knew that MME and PEG would hop onto the bandwagon. And make it L–3. Promoting someone else to jump on.

Now I’m not going to say any more of my random theories I have, since I have no evidence (I’ll just keep them to myself).

I really think it strange to vote for someone because you get a lot of votes on them.

So,

Vote:SAMP

[GreenDude]

Note:This is an anger post directed at My Milked Eek

I'll also have you know I was with GD in a previous game and he was easy to read in that game

What the heck are you talking about??

I looked so bad in that game. Everyone ,including you, was convinced that I was scum. And you amazing reading skills put me at the top of every one of your lists. Did you misread the deathscene? It said I was town.

[GreenDude]

What the christ. How in the world would I have known that? I can't read their minds!

Simple logic, I explained it already.

[GreenDude]

What I'm saying is that based on the circum stances, it looked that a few people were very likely to vote me because they wanted to but there was no opportunity. And if I can see that, then why can't anyone else.

[GreenDude]

- I don't like greendude linking two players already (not sure if he's serious)

Pickemgenius was one of the people I said could be scum and he also had the most votes on him and wanted the pressure put on someone else.

And deathsauce was the other person I pointed at but he didn’t think I was serious.

But at 4 votes L-3, someone is likely to jump onto a bandwagon like that.

This was the reasons why people would vote me. I'm not saying that they didn't have an oppurtunity. But that if someone starts a bandwagon on someone and you already have suspicions on that person then you are inclined to vote them. Once a bandwagon is up to speed certain people want to join it to promote discussion and pressure.

[GreenDude]

Oh dang,

I just saw that posting a post to get votes is the same as getting a bandwagon going. I feel really stupid now.

unvote

[GreenDude]

I'm not on the MafiaSSK wagon because I'm not really sure what it's about:

Early vote hopping, GD wagon, and odd unvoting.

Is that right?

I would agree the the sudden unvote does seem odd in one way. But if MafiaSSk voted because they thought I was anti town and then I said that I would no longer be. Then that makes sense. But it does seem a bit odd.

[GreenDude]

People who aren't on the MafiaSSK wagon, please explain why. No one except the people on the wagon have talked about it

The way I see this is that you are saying that those not on the wagon are wrong and have to explain themselves. But it can also been seen as asking what those not on the wagon think of MafiaSSK. I asume Damon_Gant meant the latter. But MafiaSSK have obviously seen it as the former.

I basically believe that because of the way you only unvoted because it was a singular offense.

MafiaSSK did unvote saying because it was a singular offense but saying that under the condition I no longer post random theories, I won't be anti-town which was the reason MafiaSSK voted me.

I just want other opinions because I feel like I'm reading your posts with negative thoughts in my mind to begin with, and it would be best to read them in an unbiased way.

My opinion is that MafiaSSK has explained well all the questions thrown.

[GreenDude]

Gotta post something before I get a prod. Sorry, I didn't get much chance to post but I have been reading up a bit. I will be posting again tomorrow.

[GreenDude]

This game sure takes a lot of time. I really don't remember how I couldn't find the time to post, but somehow the time slipped through.

The deadline is in a few days so I am going to read up.

We have a really bad situation that so many people are not active.

[GreenDude]

I've just been reading easjo and it seems that he hasn't posted much at all. And not written more than 3 lines.

I think that mafiassk can be perceived in one way to be scummy but if you look at it a different way, there is logical explanations. So I would rather

vote:easyjo

[GreenDude]

oh, it's spelt easjo.

oops!

[GreenDude]

I read through easjo and I if you would like I will show what certain posts drawed my attention.

With only 2 days or so we have to decide who to lynch. And PEG or wolframhart are about to be lynched. I wouldn't say it's a convenient target, it's a bandwagon like the mafiassk one. And I feel I need to decide between them.

[GreenDude]

Seems like easjo is just a convienant target

It's called a bandwagon.

[GreenDude]

Dang it, it wouldn't post my first post so I posted the second and then the first one pops up and I have to post this one.

[GreenDude]

I don't like how both MafiaSSK and Easjo are both not here. If mafiassk has computer problems then he might not be here before the deadline. Whilest easjo could be here, but isn't, so I think I is much more fair to lynch someone who can defend themselves than someone who can't.

1) a lurkervote (while ignoring peg and others (like magna said))
2) fence sitting

I didn't say I voted because he was lurking. I'm going to show some posts that I found interesting tomorrow.

Fence sitting? Where do you see that?

[GreenDude]

Mod, could please you fix my quotes?

Fixed.

-DRK

[GreenDude]

Nachomamma, did you realize you placed the hammer vote?

I'll assume that people still want me to show which posts I didn't like.

I'll post back a bit later.

[GreenDude]

Holy smokes! Mafiassk wasn't a one-shot vigilante. He sure didn't want to be lynched.

I really am not happy with nachomamma, he might not have noticed he hammered but he says he doesn't regret it. It's too bad easjo was never able to say anything.

@nachomamma: why didn't you regret the hammer?

[GreenDude]

Now that it's easter break I'm going to have more time.

[GreenDude]

I think I understand what Nacho is asking, and I can answer it and put an end to all this speculation.

I'm the real one-shot vig, and I NK'ed SSK because I assumed he was lying scum.

I think anyone would have made the same decision based on his fakeclaim. I've never played had this role before and was going to wait it out , but SSK made it an easy (although it turned out to be wrong) decision.

What the heck. You have no reason to claim vig and it is pretty stupid considering you will be night killed. I doubt there to be a doctor otherwise he would have protected Mafiassk.

Claiming for no reason thought, DeathSauce, espicially vig, one-shot or not, is either very stupid or very suspicious. I know that if I were scum(which I'm not), I would NK you just to be sure you ARE just a one-shot.

I agree with zodiark, you are either being very stupid or very suspicious. I find you more on the suspicious side than on the stupid side though. And I'm going to go ahead and

vote: DeathSauce

, and even if you are a one shot vigilante, then you've already used up your ability.

There is 2 possible scenarios:

1) DeathSauce is scum.
2) He's not.

If he's not, he already used up his ability. If he's scum then we're happy. We have a 1 in 2 chance of lynching scum today.

[GreenDude]

If deathsauce is not vigilante then Whoever IS vigilante should not claim today, because if deathsauce is scum it may be a sacrifice tactic.

[GreenDude]

Not what I meant,

I mean:

There is a possiblity that deathsauce is scum, and we can't pass up an oppotunity of lynching scum.

[GreenDude]

No, thats not what I meant.

I think that deathsauce sounded really fake when he suddenly says, "Oh, btw, it really stupid of me to say this but I'm the vigilante."

And because of that, we should lynch him. Not because of 1 in 2 chance or because there's a possibility he's scum.

I simply phrased it wrong.

[GreenDude]

If there is one thing deathsauce isn't, it's a vigilante.

So DeathSauce, what are you?

[GreenDude]

That's not what I mean deathsauce, I'm mean, theoretically the mafia will kill you.

[GreenDude]

There is no fooling me, deathsauce is scum. He thinks there is a vigilante because of the nightkill. And now he wants the vigilante to claim. It's a sacrifice tactic.

[GreenDude]

If there are two night kills tomorrow night, then DeathSauce is in pretty big trouble. If he's mafia, then he surely wouldn't take the risk that the second kill was an SK or an unlimited shots vig

I doubt deathsauce is a vigilante or a SK. But if deathsauce thought a second night kill wouldn't happen since a one shot vigilante already used his ability then it makes sense for him to be mafia.

Now that I think about it, the sacrifice theory is wrong since a one shot vigilante would be pointless to get rid of.

[GreenDude]

@deathsauce: Plz answer my question, what role are you actually?

I have gone through every possiblity and there is no logical explanation for deathsauce to claim vigilante.

[GreenDude]

1 Solution just came to mind:

Deathsauce is a jester-type role who has to get nightkilled to win.

[GreenDude]

Let me explain my reasoning as to why deathsauce can't be anything:

He can't be scum, too much risk of a vigilante counter claiming or a second kill during the night.

He can't be town fake claiming one shot vigilante because a vigilante could counter claim and lynch him, which is bad for the town.

He can't be serial killer since he would have to kill the second night.

And if he isn't an actual one shot vigilante then what is he?!?

[GreenDude]

I'm starting to think that deathsauce is actually a vigilante.

It makes sense he would want to claim so that people think he has used up his ability and then surprise the mafia later on. And it explains how there wouldn't be a second kill in night 2. And it also explains why deathsauce insists he's a one shot vigilante.

[GreenDude]

Why would you post this? First of all, it makes no sense, once again you are confidently predicting what is going to happen at night, and secondly it is anti-town from beginning to end.

I am trying to explain how it is possible for deathsauce to have a role at all. Why are you saying that I'm predicting what is going to happen? I said that my theory explains why there wouldn't be a second nightkill and you are confirming that that will happen?

The whole reason this started is because you were and are lying about being a one shot vigilante. Lying is anti-town when people find out you are lying.

[GreenDude]

Pickemgenius is at L-1 btw so Nacho can't say he didn't notice.

[GreenDude]

DeathSauce it is time for you to claim again. Because your one shot vigilante claim is no longer possible unless there are 2 osv's in this game.

The only reason I know deathsauce is lying about being a one shot vigilante, is because I'm the one shot vigilante.

And deathsauce, you were completely wrong. I killed magnaofillusion during the night because I knew the mafia would want to kill mafiassk.

[GreenDude]

If only I read through what I post. I lied, I killed mafiassk not magna. I lied because I knew that the mafia would know I was lying, so they might trip up. But I was a bit irrational and posted before thinking it through. If I had I would have thought that I had no reason to kill magna.

[GreenDude]

I wanted deathsauce to tell what he was without me claiming, see what he would say. And he still wouldn't say. Then I was wondering how logically I could figure out his role. But there was no logic. So I decided finally to claim. PEG is simply not active and not seen as scum. Whilest deathsauce is an absolute lier.

EBWOP:

If I had I would have thought that I had no reason to kill magna.

If I had I would have asked myself what reason I had to kill magna.

[GreenDude]

It was a coincidence that pickemgenius was at L-1. I happened to post when that happened. But I could have posted earlier.

[GreenDude]

Not exactly trip up, but, the mafia would be certain that I wasn't a one shot vigilante. For example:

Nice try on the fakeclaim, but if you really thought DS was lying because of his vig claim, you'd have thought the same thing about SSK.

Here aren't suggesting it's fake claim, you are saying that it is a fake claim.
Not saying you're scum though, townies could say that too.


DeathSauce being a vigilante explained a few things. But I said it to get him to change his claim. So to make him look like a vigilante until he says he's not.