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Here. Just realized that I forgot to watch this topic. Sorry! I'll post before the day is over after I have a chance to reread.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Nobody suggested massclaiming - Paranoia probably thought that it would be brought up since he's a newbie and doesn't yet know that D1 massclaims are almost never done on this site.
I don't particularly like Bob's vote on DRK. He put on a second vote without a lot of reasoning behind it. It's a light tell, but it is one nonetheless.
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Finally, I'd like to point out the interesting little vote exchange between Alamaster and Kyle. Both are voting for the other, which is interesting at this stage in the game, especially as they are the only ones voting for each other. This could either be read as an OMGUS or as an intentional distancing. Again, an extremely flimsy lead.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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AlmightyBob: Fair enough. That reasoning wasn't exactly clear in your original vote.
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Kyle: Why do you feel that people would target you for a policy lynch?My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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You've been called a floater. This is not the same as a policy lynch argument. It is also correctable. So, why are you so nervous?My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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It didn't look to me like he was serious, nor that the vote that he was talking about was serious. I figured it was just another excuse for a random vote, since most players like giving faux justification for their random votes. Honestly, though, I really hate the random votes thing. I think it's pointless and usually ends up lynching town.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Bob: I can link you to a page 1 RVS lynch, if you'd like to see it. Sure, it involves a self-hammer, but the point is that it has happened before. I've also been lynched for objecting to a page 2 3-person bandwagon before that was based on little to nothing. To put it simply, random votes are contrary to my thesis of the game. That's why I've been experimenting with the opening questions in newbie games lately.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=12804
It actually, along with attempts to ruin some other games, got Saberwolf banned.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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For the record, I was simply stating that I don't like it and won't participate in it, not that I was demanding its end. Quite honestly, I've found that when I do participate in the RVS, I screw it up somehow...So, I generally wait until I'm useful to contribute heavily, which is in the later part of D1 and the subsequent days.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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It was directed at me. I answered that I didn't have an answer, as per the post that prompted the question.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Agreed. I have absolutely nothing to base a read on, so anything I would do would be just randomly accusing people based on not a whit of evidence.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Yeah, but that's not what yousaid, now is it? I knew that your threat was ludicrous, but I was curious to see if you could back it up. Clearly, you couldn't. As I've explained, every time I try to give substantial content when I have none, I've proven to be wrong. So, I'm going to wait until I have something to say to say it.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Both yourself and Bob answered my questions efficiently, and I have nothing else to go on. I'm also not stating that I think we should just drop what we're doing or anything, just that in games in which I am town and have participated in the early stage of D1, we've tended to do a lot worse than in games in which I am town and have not participated in the early stage of D1. I can provide a really extreme example of why this holds true, if you'd like.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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I didn't say it was a bad reason, I said that there was no reason. I don't like putting more than a single vote on a player without a reason. Truth be told, I hate putting any votes on anybody without a reason, but second votes are scummier than first votes.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Go for it.
I see people post things like Bob did on the end of the post there all the time, and they don't really mean them, just like you didn't mean the whole "Everybody pile onto this vote for the first page!" bit. So, I didn't take it as a serious reason.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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If I feel that there is a misunderstanding about what I said, I generally repeat myself unless I have done so several times. It's generally seen as pro-town to do so.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Monkey: The reverse, actually, if you read that. I hate all random votes, but random votes which are the only vote on that player are excusable because they are so common.
You can feel free to suspect me for this. I honestly could care less. I've been lynched for it before, but I'm not going to change my playstyle to appear more townie, since that's what scum players do, and since I don't want to ring any false bells based on that. I can link to at least 3-4 games in which I make these same arguments as town, and if you check my Wiki page (Last updated November 2009, I really need to update), I emphasize the same sentiments.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Fair enough. You can think that. It's something that I say repeatedly, though, and I think that most people who say that they feel with some certainty that somebody is scummy within the first 4 pages is lying in an attempt to look more pro-town, regardless of their alignment. There is simply not enough information on which to base a solid, logical and cohesive case. This is slowly changing, but prior to this discussion, there was absolutely nothing to work with.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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That second sentence is a mush. It should be:
"...and I think that anybody who says with any amount of certainty that a specific player is scummy within the first 4 pages is lying in an attempt to look pro-town, regardless of their actual alignment."My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Incidentally, just for a bit of added value, I'm leaning town on Sakako right now. His play is consistent with the newbie town profile at this point. That being said, I'm going to sleep on it and think about it some more.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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I'm not exactly sure what you find scummy about it, nor how exactly my defense was lousy and/or what you would consider to be strong evidence in a defense. It seems as if your whole point in asking the question to begin with was to ask me a question in which any defense would appear to be weak, allowing you to attack me, which is convenient as I already have the most votes.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Reckoner: I don't think so, at least, not at this stage of the game. I think that Monkey is the more likely of the two, but I don't see a lot of connection between them, nor do I see obvious distancing.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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MonkeyMan576 wrote:
Random Player X and Random Player Y are a potential scumteam(as long as its not me). Discuss.xRECKONERx wrote:Monkey and Sakako are a potential scumteam.
Discuss.MonkeyMan576 wrote: This was absolutely a terrible defence post and I recommend more votes on you with quick haste.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Your analogy is flawed. The reason that was able to work was because you were scum and had presumably slipped up elsewhere. I also think it's marginally scummy that this is the example that you're choosing to hinge things on - it indicates (at least to me) the approach of the game from a perspective of not getting lynched vs. finding scum.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Really? That's an odd approach, especially since it doesn't really seem like I need saving. In fact, it seems like your last post is an appeal to emotion for me to drop the case against you.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Ninja'd by Monkey. And...ugh. The point is that if you pick 2 people at random from a pool of 12, and 3 of those 12 at random are scum, there is a statistically significant possibility that those two are scum together.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Monkey: You gave me a reason to suspect you. You attacked the easiest target with weak attacks and set up questions with predictable answers that you knew you could attack.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Please be advised that this is L-2. If we go to L-1, I'm taking off my vote, just because I don't quite feel absolutely comfortable with this yet. I think Monkey may be the play today, but I want to hear more from him in response to all of this before we do anything.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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*shrugs* I was just stating that I don't feel comfortable lynching without hearing him respond. I've been in several games where some newbie comes along and hammers before we get a chance to hear a defense.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Reckoner: The problem that I have with Monkey is the way that he seems to have the goal of lynching rather than the goal of finding scum. He posts things that he knows the likely answer to and then posts attacks on the only answer that could be given. It also seems questionable that he sits back and does absolutely nothing until there's an easy candidate, at which point he hops on the bandwagon. It's a weak case, but it's a case nonetheless.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Strong opinions alone aren't enough to merit a vote. Strong opinions without a good reason, however, do merit one. And yes, you said that, but you do have a vested interest in lying about your motivation if you are scum.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Not at all what I said. I originally said that your motivation appeared to be to lynch. You refuted by saying that you had already said that your motivation was to find scum. I said that you can't say that and expect us to believe you because you might be scum. You are scum because it appears that your motivation is to lynch rather than to find scum.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Does it? Please, put forth the strongest case you have against me. If you can present a sufficiently strong one independent of everybody else's, my vote goes away.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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How am I discouraging scumhunting? By being against putting 2 votes on somebody for absolutely no reason? That doesn't follow.
Also, if my argument is so weak, I'm not sure why so many others are following me. I think it holds a lot of water - certainly moreso than anybody else I could suspect at this stage.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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My point was that I feel that my argument is strong and others feel that it is strong. You seem to be the only one who thinks that it's so terribly weak.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Sakako: I think that the problem that everybody is having with your stuff is that it seems that you're just copying everybody else in an attempt to blend in. At least, that's my impression.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Case against Monkey:
1) He completely misrepresented me after I was suspected by the others.
The part in which he quotes me and what he says that I said are completely opposite. It's pretty clear that I said that I said that I dislike all random votes, particularly those that land on someone who already has one. He turns it around and says that I don't like random votes unless someone else is already voting for that person. The first position is logical, the one that he tries to make me sound like I am advocating is not.MonkeyMan576 wrote:
So you're saying it's okay to vote without a reason so long as its not a first vote?Netopalis wrote:I didn't say it was a bad reason, I said that there was no reason. I don't like putting more than a single vote on a player without a reason. Truth be told, I hate putting any votes on anybody without a reason, but second votes are scummier than first votes.
Also, I don't like your statement regarding early lurking, it seems like an excuse not to participate.
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2) He drags out my responses to illogical degrees. Examine this post:
While I don't really like meta that much, I think that this is a fairly extreme example of when it is acceptible - to show that a player regularly does something out of the norm, and that it shouldn't be taken as a scumtell. He seems extremely determined, though, that nothing that I say will dissuade him from his course.MonkeyMan576 wrote:
Just because something is common or uncommon is not a logical reason for something to be scummy or not scummy. There are things that are scummy that happen quite frequently, and things that are townish that are quite rare. Lurking, for example, is a frequent scum tactic. Likewise, having made an argument in a previous game does not make you less scummy in this game.Netopalis wrote:Monkey: The reverse, actually, if you read that. I hate all random votes, but random votes which are the only vote on that player are excusable because they are so common.
You can feel free to suspect me for this. I honestly could care less. I've been lynched for it before, but I'm not going to change my playstyle to appear more townie, since that's what scum players do, and since I don't want to ring any false bells based on that. I can link to at least 3-4 games in which I make these same arguments as town, and if you check my Wiki page (Last updated November 2009, I really need to update), I emphasize the same sentiments.
This was absolutely a terrible defence post and I recommend more votes on you with quick haste.
3) Flippant denial of any opposition. Consider the following posts:
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Random Player X and Random Player Y are a potential scumteam(as long as its not me). Discuss.xRECKONERx wrote:Monkey and Sakako are a potential scumteam.
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So you think I might be scum because I might be scum? Talk about circular reasoning.Netopalis wrote:Strong opinions alone aren't enough to merit a vote. Strong opinions without a good reason, however, do merit one. And yes, you said that, but you do have a vested interest in lying about your motivation if you are scum.MonkeyMan576 wrote:
That's not true at all. I voted for Neto first, if anyone is OMGUSing its him. There's not really a case against me so there's not really anything to defend.Espeonage wrote:Ok. Monkey, you are actually not defending the points made against you so much as making points against who is voting for you. You were at the beginning but that discussion has kinda gone off track leaving me with a suspicious gut to add to the case I made. Therefore i am happy with my vote at the moment. I still hold that Saka (See ain't I nice. I read you don't like Sak) is a newb town.MonkeyMan576 wrote:
Don't ask me, ask them. Maybe it seems like the thing to do?Espeonage wrote:No but instead of countering the arguements against you, you are having an arguement with neto about how he is playing. I never said there was any OMGUS in there.
So now I ask why four people are compelled to place their votes on you if there is no real case on you?
Essentially, here, he's trying the old propaganda technique of denying that there's any basis for the actions against him without explaining why there's no basis for those accusations. If he says enough times that those who suspect him are idiots, people will start to believe him - at least, that's what he seems to be banking on.
4) Once he realizes that I'm not going to be lynched, he starts breadcrumbing a switch over to Sakako. This is very subtly done, but he's trying to do it enough posts in advance so that it appears that he suspected Sakako all along.
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I've got a scum read on him. His "I suck at scumhunting" comment seems like a lack of commitment to help the town.DeathRowKitty wrote:@Monkey
Any comments on the more recent developments? What do you think of Sakako?
Note that he never really pursues either of these cases. He just posts them and leaves them be. I daresay that if I left him alone, he'd take up the wagon against Sakako in a few posts, and when challenged, he'd bring up these very posts as evidence why his switch isn't scummy. Note too his choice of a new target: Sakako, who is also on the defensive.MonkeyMan576 wrote:
He doesn't care if he gets lynched, yet he's trying?Sakako wrote:Well I don't really care if I get lynched, it will just be annoying having to wait for a while.
Sorry if I can't practice scumhunting - I'm actually trying pretty hard here, you know. If you don't like it, then that's your problem, but I'm actually trying to save you here, Neto.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Almaster: I did a quick iso glance-through of his 2 games. Remarkably similar play...But, I don't really have a town read to compare it with, so take it with a grain of salt. Also, I'm not really a huge fan of using meta.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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1) You said:
A proper characterization of my statement would beSo you're saying it's okay to vote without a reason so long as itsnota first vote?
Also, I used meta to justify the fact that I don't like to put up random votes or contribute until I have something to say, not to justify the building of a case.So you're saying it's okay to vote without a reason so long as its a first vote?My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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I'd be OK with Sakako, I guess. The discussion with Monkey seems to be rather circular in nature at this point, and it seems like we're actually getting somewhere productive with interrogating Sakako.
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Oh, and also: A quote.
From Sakako's Wiki Page wrote:"Newbie card" is now no longer a legitimate excuse for any mistakes I may make, so anyone trying to meta me, don't let that factor into your explanations.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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*shrugs* The problem I had was with you setting it up so far in advance. It looked as if your posts were designed not to build a case, but to justify a switch later.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Defeatism is also scummy. Sakako, you're not going to get anywhere with that sort of attitude. Chin up, defend yourself, present a decent case against somebody. Stretch if you have to. Tell me who you think is the scum and why.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Eh? Don't you mean obv-scum? Or are you saying that both of our potential lynchees are terrible choices?My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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Almaster: The reason that I backed off of the Monkey wagon is actually option (c), that I didn't feel that the questioning was productive. We were talking in circles, and it didn't seem like either of us were going to budge. Rather than wasting the town's attention on a pointless circular argument, I switched over to Sakako, who I also feel has a fairly strong case against him. In the meantime, I'll be watching Monkey and, if I feel that I have anything to put a stronger case on him, I'll be renewing the attack there.
Sakako: While your list is good, I feel that there are two problems with it: You largely suspect the people that others have suspected and you bring up town reads without really justifying them. Try fleshing out a bit more why you feel that each of your town reads are town.My posts are best read in the calm, reassuring voice of Morgan Freeman. I don't sound anything like him, but they sound best that way.
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