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I will likely be away from a computer most of Friday night and almost all of Saturday. I might be able to pop on here and there during that time, but that's hardly anything anyway lol. It's quite rare for me to be without a computer lolShowjoin game
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ah that takes a load off my back. phew, i thought i was gonna have to play a game hereRosso Carne wrote:
ill just kill you before then, dont worry about checking in.ChiboSempai wrote:I will likely be away from a computer most of Friday night and almost all of Saturday. I might be able to pop on here and there during that time, but that's hardly anything anyway lol. It's quite rare for me to be without a computer lolShowjoin game
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blah i hope this starts soon. im bored. iv got a loooooong day of work ahead of me tomorrow, and this game is gonna save a lot of boredom lolShowjoin game
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Vote: Haylen
Why? Because she said she lost her potato peeler on page 1. No one in the right mind loses their trusty ol' potato peeler. Something sneaky is going on.Showjoin game
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Haylen was the one worried about loosing it, I was merely making the same deduction as you are, just from a different point of viewShowjoin game
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Even though my last vote was part of RVS, it at least had a shred of thought behind it compared to like, I don't like Canada, or I don't like furries, or who votes for themselves and retracts it.
I had noticed that I clearly didn't see that many different people voting, and upon inspection Peabody didn't post since his confirmation reply. Lying low? Idk, it's something at least to work on.
However even if I was or not, I don't see how keeping RVS going is a scumtell. If I was scum I would want to keep a vote on someone I was sure wasn't mafia, since I would know the other members. Anyone can be voted in RVS, and mafia members should want to stray from that to make sure they, or their fellow members don't accidentally get voted.
Since we're entering a more serious phase, I'll retract my vote atm.
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I'm just trying to think what theoretically makes sense, though yea that is another possibility as well. Though you can't really pull a scumtell because someone tried to what you thought as extend RVS by like one post lol.Showjoin game
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In my defense - well, there really isn't one. Think about it. The same could be said about anyone. If I were to target someone else, how would they be able to defend themselves.
I'm surprised people are making a big deal about the whole Haylen voting herself then declining it, to me it just seemed like random voting stuff :/ Why would anyone vote themselves? Maybe she knew she was mafia because she is mafia and to be like a townie shes trying to vote for who she knows is mafia?
I haven't picked any real scumtells yet, I'm gonna continue to hold my vote atm. Maybe I'll try to whip up some questions or something. That's the only way to get concrete tells on ppl.Showjoin game
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Sorry about that, but I'm back. I've been out since late last night, it's been kind of a mess. Stayed the night at my friends place and traveled to a game tourney today and I'm at the train station now waiting to head home.
The past few posts have been pretty interesting. I just completely lost track though of where all of the votes are. A vote tally would really help.
The whole thing with Looker mainly on the last page was... annoying. I didn't even get half of the posts Looker made, there was some condradictions here and there (though I doubt he noticed them from his POV) , and just really flawed logic I really don't agree with. This specifically stood out to me:
"Ray we never lynch scum on D1. We lynch assholes, outcasts, and idiots on D1, you know that." - Looker
I'm not sure if he means by this scum isn't lynched on D1 typically because of the fact there are less mafia than townies, or that he specifically ignores any evidence of people's posts on D1 and just tries to lynch out people he personally doesn't like on D1. That's a terrible thing to do really, regardless, the goal of the game is to vote out the mafia members. Are you really going to vote out people you don't like without having any evidence of then being mafia?
This does not sit easy with me.
All of the discussion on this page seems to be what people are being watched, bandwagons and stuff, etc. Looker voiced the 4 people he thinks should be watched, but I don't really see any reasons. Peabody thinks there needs to be a bandwagon on me lol, but without intention to lynch, that doesn't really make any sense imo. He doesn't like my posting style but we haven't been posting here that long yet in the thread, not to mention this is the first mafia game I've ever played on mafiascum, so there aren't any games to lurk where you could watch me (which would be frowned upon anyway). The big problem I'm seeing here is that multiple people are being targeted with no real reason.Showjoin game
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Yea, the thing with me and Kowana was simply a misinterpretation of my part. I thought he actually meant he just voted me cause he said so with no backing to it lol
As for the Looker thing, the main thing I was referring to (which I sort of touched on in the post but not too much) was that according to him we vote assholes, idiots, and outcasts. However with his string of posts, not only do some people not get the posts, wanted to see how RayFrost could turn his own comment against him (why would he want to look bad?), says he knows nothing about mafia, RayFrost makes an intelligent post about what he sees wrong with Looker who simply replies by telling him he's terribly wrong with snarky comments like who should we mislynch, and more.
Just re-read page 6 another time or two (I've already read that whole Looker section a couple times trying to make heads or tails of it) and Looker sort of comes off as an idiot (saying he doesn't know much about mafia, perhaps using it as an excuse), an asshole (with snarky comments), and his style of play/mentality seems to be so drastically different (in a bad way) listing people that he is watching without any real reason to do so and referring to other mafia games makes him seem like an odd person out, or like an outcast.
The three things he said we vote out in D1 are pretty a perfect description of him so far. It just doesn't add up. There should be no reason to influence us to vote him (no Jesters in the game, etc), so why would he suggest a type of person to lynch, then act just like that? He's trying to work too many different angles in this game and their clashing. As RayFrost also pointed out in page 5, he changes his opinion a lot and has just been following whatever.
Right now Looker is the only person that has any basis for being voted on atm.
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The whole canadian thing being inactive and only posting now that we've mentioned him is odd. I want to hear some more from him.
The more Looker posts though the worse they are. Doesn't anyone else see it? He switched his list of who he thinks are scummy without full reason for any of them. He's targeted like what, 6 people now for no apparent reason (he has weak reasoning for some of them, but no reason for some). If he's ready to say some random people are scum but not others, it seems to me like he knows who the mafia are and to avoid them. And guess who knows who the mafia are... Other mafia. Combine that with stupid posts trying to play the noob card as people said (which makes no sense) and stating how he's so high and stuff, this guy just isn't good for the game.Showjoin game
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Before I vote from Rosso I want to see a reply from him now that gives us reason to. There have been some iffy things, and suspecting inactives is always appropriate, but I tend to not want to lynch them until there's a reason to. The inactive is just what causes suspicion. He's only 2 votes away from being lynched, that's nothing.
I'm willing to change my vote, but don't want to yet to leave someone else with the power to cause him to be lynched at will (since there would only be one more required vote). I want a hard reason to lynch him, unless anyone else has a really big scumtell on him, could you quote it? I might have read over something by accident or my attention might have been averted elsewhere.Showjoin game
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Forgot to mention, has he voted for anyone else so far this game? He's not voting atm, but wasn't sure if he had unvoted or something.Showjoin game
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Oh wow I'm sorry, I didn't realize hammah was an actual thing in mafia (I just read the wiki page on it). I honestly just thought he was messing around saying I don't vote people, I HAMMAH them! relating to his avatar thinking it was just a stupid meme lol.Showjoin game
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Trying to spark some different activity since the only way people have been trying to get tells at the moment are from bandwagon votes. I also want to justify my current vote, or find a reason to change it if needed.
Questions for Looker:
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1. Who are you currently suspecting, or considering voting for D1?
2. Who have you been suspicious of the whole game so far, and explain any of the changes if this list differs from the answer for Q1.
3. How many games of mafia have you played before? Were they on mafiascum or somewhere else?
4. Why should I or we not vote for you?
5. If you were in a mafia game on Day 1 and there was someone you absolutely knew was independent that had a small chance of being a Jester or a Lyncher and someone who many people had a scumtell on from some suspicious replies - which one would you vote for?
6. What is the best way to play mafia as a townie? Do you follow this mindset?Showjoin game
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Rosso, can you please answer my questions as well?
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For 2 I meant like, did you target someone earlier but then you were convinced they weren't scum so you don't target them anymore?
And for 5 I meant do you vote for the independent (possibly jester or lyncher), or the person who some seem to think is scum? (or neither of the two)
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I had voted you like 4 pages ago or something?
But I like the answers to the questions. Pretty much clears out the scumtells I had and stuff.Showjoin game
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There's a limit to how effective anyone's skills are in D1, there's hardly anything to go by. I will explain the reasoning behind my questions after Rosso answers them. I don't want to give away my thoughts behind them until he answers lol.Showjoin game
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I really didn't think I would receive answers like this. You would have probably been better off saying screw you, I don't feel like answering questions.Rosso Carne wrote:1. have talked about at length. will consider HAMMAH!-ing looker as well for poor performance on this page.
2. stupid question
3. way too many for you to count.
4. I'm awesome.
5. Are you rolefishing? Please don't.
6. Find scum, and kill them. Your vote is your weapon, and you are the most powerful person in the game since scum have better targets.
You dodged every single question but the last one. You might as well dodged the last one as well since it's a contradiction imo.
I asked these questions for a reason, especially some that should be obvious but asking simple questions that should be known by many are there prove contradictions, changes in your thoughts, etc.
Question 1: You refuse to answer the question, and tack on two things that don't even belong there, mentioning hammah again, and saying that Looker has had poor performance on this page, which I disagree with.
Question 2: Good answer.... -_- (sarcastic)
Question 3: You could give either a ballpark estimate, or find a way to say a lot without the edge comment. You also didn't say if they were all on mafiascum or what.
Question 4: Terrible response. You're just avoiding the question.
Question 5: Again, you're dodging the question.
The reason I asked this specifically is because it was a situation I was in during a mafia game not too long ago, and there was a lot to be told from it. The mentality behind some people were that since the independent wasn't town, he should be lynched since he wasn't on our side, yet he wasn't against us either. People's decision on this shows me the kind of people you want to target, how valuable your vote is early in the game, etc. By the way, what had happened was that the independent was lynched, and he ended up being a Jester as I had suspected.
Question 6: You actually answer this, but I don't like your response at all. You mention how your vote is your most powerful weapon, yet you hardly use it, since you only hammah. Other players have been using votes with bandwagons to apply pressure, etc, but you haven't even used your vote once yet so far. Technically using it as a hammah vote is using it, but not to the importance you make it out to be. I also don't understand your comment on scum having targets.
You're posts are becoming more demeaning, and you're trying hard now to cast suspicion on Looker through criticizing his playstyle, calling him a noob, and even bringing him up unreasonably in your answers to my question.
You're clearly detrimental to the game, it's a shame. Hopefully if it gets to it you'll be willing to hammah yourself, can you resist the hammah vote?
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Allow me to elaborate.
The fact that he's hiding information especially on who he's suspicious of and who he's been suspicious of in the past alone is a scumtell.
He also says what he thinks the best way to play mafia as a townie is, and yet he doesn't even follow that! That is also a scumtell.
Those were more of the obvious parts imo, I has just happened to explain more in detail about the questions I wasn't sure people would get, like #5. It was all to read his playstyle and look for contradictions, which there were plenty of. Inconsistent information = a bad lier. Combine that with refusing to answer some questions. He's trying to cover up something.Showjoin game
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Do you not remember I've had a suspicion on Looker for quite a while now and had my vote cast on him up until I saw his answers to my questions? After people voiced their doubts about you (Rosso) I had figured the questions would apply to you pretty well also, so I had you answer them. Your answers gave me a bunch of contradictions and scumtells resulting in me voting for you.
You had valid reasons for not answering my questions. The only extent of an excuse you had was Q1, which you said you talked about already, but I asked it again specifically (for the reason I said in the big post). Q2 and Q4 you said stupid question and im awesome (for a reason not to vote you) respectively. You're only digging your hole deeper.Showjoin game
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Remember that there is a SK also. Essentially, there are 4 people we want out.RayFrost wrote:
We have three scum.Rosso Carne wrote:
your skirting around a detrimental observation is noted.Looker wrote:Wait, missed the second post. What relation?
How is it that you've missed every tie to every other player within this thread? You can't simply acknowledge one to your convenience, that's not fair or right at all. If anything, it'd look more like I had a relationship with you because my vote was on you originally...wouldn't it? Heck, I don't know, I'm just a n000000000b.
way to protect your scum buddy.
I understand that everyone is connected, were in a game. But your play sucks, and yet chibo comes to your side right away.
theres your scum pair people.
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It's not that I think you're playing it wrong, it's that you said how you think a townie should play the game, and you're not playing it that way.Showjoin game
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Seems interesting. Did he play the same way that game that he is now? Normally I don't like to bring other games into stuff, but info is info.Pomegranate wrote:I've never played with Rosso when he was scum before, but if he's town I think he can be very helpful. One time he vigged me N1 correctly(, I was the mafia godfather). He said that he based it of of D1 reads, and considering that I had never played with him before, I think he can play a good pro-town game. I say that we don't lynch him today, and wait until tomorrow to see how scummy he's acting then.Showjoin game
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I meant suspecting inactives as in like, it would be good to keep an eye on them or try to get them to talk, not thinking they are scum yet. However keeping active and talking a lot is likely to make someone slip or something. Not talking in the first place doesn't let anyone have any reads on you, good or bad. Also by suspecting a inactive and being vocal about it, you're forcing them to sort of come back and defend themselves.Showjoin game
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Whats the difference between that and a using a voting bandwagon to apply pressure to someone?
lol I have a feeling that like half of the players here play the exact opposite of the other half.Showjoin game
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He's not playing how himself said a townie should play. He dodged practically all of my questions (holding back info). If you are innocent, there should be nothing to hide.
I really didn't mean for my vote to be based on his playstyle, (which I'll admit is annoying to me) but I've been trying to see past it. I've been reconsidering my thoughts after your reply #300 and J-Fox's post #302.Showjoin game
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I don't buy Peabody's mistake. How was it not trying to frame Looker? If it was a typo and he meant to type Alamaster, then I don't see how he would be using an Alamaster quote to find a contradiction in Looker.
Peabody's first reply after people called out his mistake was that he misread the name. I find it hard to go back to a post, find it, and see the name as Looker instead of Alamaster, they are completely different. Not to mention he even quoted that Alamaster post before about 36 hours ago and had typed Alamaster in his quote box:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 19#1872919
I don't see how he knew back then it was Alamaster, but all of a sudden now thought it was Looker. It makes no sense.
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how is the wagon/lynch scummy, are you saying all 7 of the ppl that voted are anti-town, despite there only being 5 anti town roles (4 mafia 1 SK) in the game?Showjoin game
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Keep the insults out of here, chill out.
Just explain how you find it scummy. What's scummy about it? You can't just go around throwing accusations without any reason. I on the contrary didn't find it scummy, and provided my reason. Sure plenty of mafia and the SK even could have found a big slip up and used his as a scapegoat to draw attention away from him and get a quick townie lynched (since the mafia would know that he's not one of them), but for that to be the case, at least 2 townies could have voted for him (or 3 if he ends up as an SK, in which case mafia would know hes not one of them and wouldnt be able to tell him apart from a townie, and he would be another suspect to everyone else).Showjoin game
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Critiquing one's playstyle is one thing, calling people stupid and now purposely misspelling my name is a whole other thing.
You might as well go call out the other 6 people who voted for him and mess with them as well.
If you didn't want him being lynched, then you should have done a better job convincing everyone not to lynch him. I personally found it quite odd for it to be just a typo/mistake for the reasons I said in the same post where I voted for him (I believe it was that one).
Also, why should the mistake just garnered a vote or two? What good is it going to do? FoS him or something, there's no need to do a pressure vote when everyone already called out Peabody and he realized he messed up. The pressure vote wouldn't have changed anything. And if only a vote or two were to be cast, who should have done it? It happened so rapidly that any number of people could have voted with that mindset for it to reach 5 as quick as it did needing only a couple more to finish it off.
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Well, its hard to name a single or specific people on the wagon that were scummy, since they all did essentially the same thing, vote him, and we know some townies definitely voted for him. The only ones that were essentially different were Alamaster's vote as described by Ray (though tbh Day 1 can only get you so far and we have to settle on something eventually, however a role claim might have been nice. I purposely said in my post there was currently 6 votes for him hoping Peabody would have gotten the hint and claimed), and the first one, which was by Looker iirc? Correct me if I'm wrong. It seems appropriate that he was the one to start it since it was him who Peabody tried to frame, if the whole posting thing wasn't a mistake which I find hard to believe.Showjoin game
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so yea likely alamasters for jumping to the final hammer without a role claim, which isnt always necessary, but would have been nice in D1 without THAT much info. We'll know soon enough.Showjoin game
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The original source of the wagon was no different than the start of any others. He slipped up, he explained simply at first that it was just a typo, which I proved to not just be the case and it didn't make sense, and people continued. There have been tons of wagons this game so far, it just so happens this one progressed further and faster than the others for some reason. His mess up however was the most hard evidence for anything we have found yet this game, everything else was people's opinions on posts and such, and this was a glaring contradiction staring at us.
The following people voted for Peabody:
Looker
canadianbovine
Zachrulez
RayFrost
Pomegranate
ChiboSempai
AlamasterGM
Peabody admitted back after Zach and before Ray that it was a mistake, but still got 4 more votes. Additionally, Ray flat out didn't accept that it was a mistake, and even called him out on WIFOM. RayFrost recently has been claiming that he wished there was a role claim and has been trying to determine what the scummiest vote/post was, and it doesn't really match up for me.
Judging just from the Peabody situation the people that most came off as scum were RayFront as AlamasterGM imo.Showjoin game
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Didn't read any of this page when I made my post, mafiascum went down for a couple mins when I was scouring through the votes on Peabody and it made me take a while to do my post.
Do you mind refreshing on what things I was agreeing with you on Ray? It's not a big deal or anything, I'm just curious. Agreeing isn't technically a bad thing, I mean if I thought the same thing and you had said it first, then I'm agreeing with you, no sense in writing out the exact same thoughts. Almost the entire Peabody wagon was everyone agreeing with each other, Pomegranate even specifically quoted you and saying he agreed with you here:
http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 11#1878311
Also, with my last post, I don't know about the whole following your opinion holds since I found your post/vote one of the scummier ones in the Peabody ordeal.Showjoin game
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Not as much no.
He pointed out why he didn't believe it was a mistake, the same thing I had done in my post, but I took a different approach/reasoning to it.
However I found his more posts more suspicious after his posts after Peabody was lynched.
I suppose the exact opposite could be said as well, and that his posts on the past page or two could be the scummy ones, it just depends on which are more true of him. Because on the contrary to why I found the voting posts scummy, the ones on the past page or two could be scummy wanting a role claim and trying to act nonchalant about it trying to ease his way out of the blame of the wagon vote since he was the one primarily against Peabody's excuse.Showjoin game
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Sorry about the delay, I didn't log off, it's just that I'm at work and someone came in to talk to me and discuss work related stuff lolShowjoin game
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wow whoops I forgot its only 3 mafia and not 4. Either way, that just means there is more guaranteed town people that was on the Peabody wagon.
And as told from my post 439 (which I had started typing right after u finished the question but didnt post till then and in result didnt read posts 436,437, and 438 until I finished posting that) I didn't find Ray's vote scummy really until the recent posts from the last page and this one in this recent string of activity.Showjoin game
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That doesn't make sense that I became suspicious of you only after Konowa's questions, it was after your recent posts. I don't have to come out and say everything I'm thinking at every moment, but if I'm asked questions, I will answer (as long as it's not something I can't blatantly just say out of the blue). I explained why I was suspicious of you. Nothing too serious, but something to note.
The night kills were surprising and could tell us something... So there were two night kills, and since we have the mafia and a serial killer, does this rule out the chance of a vigilante? That, or can one of the 3 possible killers (mafia, sk, vigilante) forego their night kill? Only Vigilante can do that right? unless the mafia could as well?Showjoin game
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lol well even though Almaster said that he wouldn't buy it....
I have no choice but to roleclaim at this point.
I'm the vigilante.
If I didn't say this soon I would be guaranteed voted out soon. CB is right, I did target looker. After Day2 started I was extremely confused about the kills expecting 3, which is why I posted that and wanted to hear other people's take on it, then I realized there was the possibility of someone being roleblocked, which is the only excuse for there not being the 3rd kill - the one from the serial killer.
Further proof:
Look at the descriptions of the kills...
Russo's place was exploded or whatever, something not obvious as to who did it. More dramatic, very mafia-esque kill.
As for Looker, he was shot execution style in the back of the head, which is clearly the most appropriate way of being killed by the Vigilante.
If Looker had been killed by the SK then my guess is that it would have been something a bit more gruesome such as hacked and slashed to death in a bloodbath.
Reasoning for killing Looker:
Read back in the game and you will see that one of my first suspects was Looker. That already made him not sit well with me and think that something could be going on. He then later convinced me that I shouldn't vote for him then, and I didn't. People however became suspicious that I was working with Looker, which was 100% not the case. In the chance the Looker was mafia, I had to rid myself of that connection asap to clear suspicion on me. I'm a very important town role imo, and a valuable asset to the game.
If I had killed Looker and he ended up as town, then the whole connection between the two of us wouldn't have made sense, since we wouldn't have known who each other were, and if I were mafia, I would have known he was town and therefor no reason to defend him (which I wasn't even doing in the first place). Yes a townie would have died (though there was no way of 100% knowing he's town or mafia, or SK for the matter.
If Looker had been mafia then I could have roleclaimed to show that I killed Looker thus removing any suspicion that I was linked to him. I wasn't 100% sure if I was going to do it like this, however I'm being forced to roleclaim now and the Tracker showed that I killed him.
There is a very important development here now. Two people have had their roles ousted - CB being Tracker and myself being Vigilante. The only question is if CB is the mafia or town tracker, but that isn't too important atm. We also know that there is a roleblocker or jailkeeper.
The most important thing is that we now should know 100% who the SK is. Whoever the roleblocker is (are), say who you roleblocked. If there is only one roleblocker, then there you go, whoever that person targeted is the serial killer and we can take him out. If there are two, then we know that the SK is one of two people.
The town now has full power of killing two people per day/night cycle.
If you want me to further prove this, then wait an extra day, we will determine the top two people we think are mafia, and we'l vote one and I'll kill the other, or we can go for taking out the serial killer, or go for a mafia and a SK member.Showjoin game
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Rosso first brings up the possibility of it here: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 32#1874632
Rosso tells everyone that a scum pair in the game is Looker and I: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 45#1874645
RayFrost doesn't throw out the idea or elaborate on Looker and I and instead wonders who the 3rd mafia is: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 49#1874649
Rosso also said somewhere (couldn't find the post yet) that saying the style I could have been playing bussing as a mafia member was legit, and likely meant further that the two of us were mafia.
We have multiple people saying how Rosso could be a valuable asset to the town throughout some pages (which is likely why the mafia targeted him), no one disagreeing with him, one person wondering about it further, Rosso and RayFrost still alive, suspicion already cast on me at many points in D1... I had to clear my name. I feel that if both Looker and I were still in it then Rosso could easily bring this all back up and convince people of it - mixing with everyones past suspicions of me and there you go, town loses it's vigilante. I can't let that happen.Showjoin game
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