Mini 775 - Hammersmouth Is Under Attack! (Game over)

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Hey all.

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Unvote Vote CJMiller

His attitude is incredibly anti-town.

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And you know what, I think I should just claim, because i'm clearly going to be lynched otherwise.

I am a Weak Tracker - I find out if someone used an action or not.

Over did not send a choice night one.

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Claiming my action from last night would obviously be retarded, as I can potentially catch someone in a lie, or atleast force scum to claim truthfully out of fear.

So I will not claim my action unless there is a massclaim.

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Because if I waited until today I would have no credibility. I felt claiming in twighlight would be the only way I had a chance of being believed. I also might have been vigged.

My predecessor was at L-1, which obviously isn't going to disappear just because someone else got lynched.

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I believe Artem's claim. It's an abstract role, much like mine.

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Well ofcourse I wasn't worried about being killed by scum. Scum don't kill mislynches. If scum had killed me last night i'd have been happy with that.

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Yay

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I already claimed.

I choose Iam goes next.

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Ok he's been far too scummy today

Vote iam

Obviously i'm not claiming my result that completely nullifies it.

Hurry up with the MC then lynch scum.

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Also the mere fact that I may have targetted them may force scum into claiming to suit if they used an action or not turthfully.

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AKA Mafia Roleblocker

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Iam is scum, his claim makes no sense. If he was town he would have blocked me. Clearly he has stated extreme suspicion of me, and blocking me would test me. He blocked Sotty because he is scum and I have a weak power-role that isn't worth blocking.

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(From a scum perspective)

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Iam claims to have blocked Fark and Sotty, so i'd rather see them go last, actually.

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Notice how Iam is the only one who hasn't claimed a weakened power (out of the power claims)

Self wathcer - Weakened watcher
Weak Tracker - Obv.
Gunsmith - Weakened cop

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If he was a Maf RB he just has to claim truthfully.

a) prevents the town from potentially gathering information if the tracker claim is thruthful;

My power isn't very useful. You don't not target someone you're that suspicious of just because they claim a PR. Especially not one as weak as I claimed.

b) prevents a potential vig kill against a scummy player who claimed weak tracker;

Omai i'm sure Iam-town would have been devastated to lose me.

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Actually, your second point is better than I had originally thought.

But still, there was vig N1

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No vig*

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Lol, I only just noticed all the possible roles are on first page. That means all these abstract claims aren't indicitive of being town >.>

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Percy and Sotty basically confirm each other, which leave Iam and Pablo as scum.

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Ok. Well I targetted Fark last night, he visited someone.

Kab is pretty much confirmed town, it's a Mini Normal, there's gotta be atleast 4 VT's.

Looks like bastard mod too cos we have a GF but no cop.

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I figured you had from the way you were acting.

So me and Artem are clear.

We can use Sotty's kill to eliminate a suspect, and confirm Percy isn't faking.

Fark can check one of Kab/Iam, with PM protecting him.

Iam is today's lynch, if he is scum he will just block someone to give his buddy a better chance, and his role has no further use if he is town.

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Actually, that doesn't work. But i'm sure there's some plan we can produce to improve town's chances.

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Here's an idea...

Fark, Percy, PM target Artem. Iam Jails Kab/Sotty, lynch the other. If there is no kill, and they all target Artem, PM is confirmed town, and town aren't down any. Obviously if anyone fails to target Artem they are scum. If there is a kill, and they do all target Artem, Iam is scum.

Thoughts? Does that work?

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Well, Fark is still a suspect, and if Percy doesn't target, if he's a mafia doc, he's free to make the kill.

I'm not sure there's much useful for me to do. I can confirm Iam, so I may aswell target him, but he already is confirmed to have a blocking ability.

And, I didn't know about the double block when I attacked him. Both Fark and Artem getting blocked, makes him town, surely?

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Oh, i'd get that he visited no one if Iam was Maf RB. So yeh, I can do something. But still, the double block thing sounds confirming to me. Unless Fark and Iam are scum together. But if they are, our night plan would reveal that. I'd either get a result on Kab, or die. That would mean Iam was scum, and in turn, Fark is his buddy. Doubt it though.

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Potential flaw - None of them die, we don't know if it was Percy or Sotty breaking the chain, and PM is still an unkown. I think my plan sounds safer, I don't think there is a way either a) We catch a scum, or b) we gain a mislynch through lack of kills.

Your plan has potential to leave us in 5p lylo with a choice to make between Sotty and Percy.

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I've been making an assumption I ought to check.

Mod: Can a Mafia RB make both the kill and a roleblock in the same night?

I don't like the idea of giving Fark a bullet.

Bah, i've just thought of a potential flaw in my plan.

If both scum are in {Fark, Percy, PM} then PM can be RBed or "RBed" and Artem killed.

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Iam can only be scum with Fark - But it doesn't work the other way. Fark can be scum blocked by Iam town, his buddy can be any of the suspects.

My predecessor didn't send an action night one. Sucks, I know.

The only person it can possibly be useful for me to target is Kab. Remmeber, I only find out if they used an action, not who they go to.

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I'm pretty sure that would block him.

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In the east, it would prevent the others form showing up on the list.

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An RB would block Artem..

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The only thing that seperates Artem form any other power role, is that he doesn't send the mod an action. If I were to target him, I would get that he didn't visit anyone.

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And your plan doesn't seem to great.

Tbh, it might be best if we got away from this and started scumhunting.

I mean, Kab has lurked through this entire period of trying to figure out a plan. I find that scummy, even if it would mean there's only 3 VT's.

And tbh, Iam and Fark are town...

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The other plan involved you being jailed, what was wrong with that?

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I just looked over Sotty. He voted Kirr when CJ was at L-1 an had refused to claim. And he blows his own trumpet about his vote against Kirr today.

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Mod: If a Jailer targetted a Mafia RB, who was the last one alive, and had blocked said Jailer, and killed someone else, what would happen?

If a Mafia RB blocks a Jailer, and kills the person the Jailer is targetting, what happens? (the latter question for both the situation where the RB is the last scum, and if his partner is making the kill)

Sorry if this has been asked before.

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If Jailer jailed the RB, and the RB blocks someone else, is the RB's block sucessful?

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If Sotty is the Maf RB,

PM protect Artem
Iam jail me
Fark check Kab
Percy pass Artem

Pretty sure town can't lose that.

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Are we all set for tonight then?

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Sotty does actually talk about vig quite a lot, and pushed Kirr pretty hard on the premise she didn't believe the claim.

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Well, the plan always goes wrong if we don't lynch the RB today, is the thing. I've stopped trying to think of a foolproof plan, and just scumhunt. I think the night plan is as good as it's going to get.

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PM - Iam can

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be scum with Fark, due to the double block.

Artem got that Percy passed him, so he can only be scum with Percy...But he's town.

Last nights kill was perfomed by Fark, Kab, or PM. So Sotty with anyone but one of those 3 is out.

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Although, I don't see why Fark can't be scum with anyone else. Iam, what's your logic?

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Oh, cos Fark was jailed. And Artem got blocked. So tehre was no one left to do the kill. So yeh, Fark can only be scum with Iam.

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PM is grasping at straws now, Artem is town.

The only possible teams are:

{Fark, Iam}
{Artem, Percy}
{Sotty, PM, Kab}

I'm happy to accept Artem-Percy as town.

I'm close to happy accepting Iam-Fark as town too, in which case it wouldn't matter which of the last 3 were scum, we have a mislynch.

I think I have it:

Iam jails me.
PM -> Artem
Percy -> Artem (Why not?)
Fark -> Artem
X -> Sotty. Or Iam?

Now, this means Iam-Fark scum would have to block me and have Fark doc Artem, or I would get a result. This means they have to kill me, or kill no-one. Killing no-one gives us a mislynch. This means Iam would have to kill me, and would be unable to block anyone. So Artem would get PM-town on his list.

But, this would not be possible if Iam-Fark were infact town. PM has to be on Artem's list, so he can't kill me. So if Sotty is the RB, as 2 scum alive, she can't block and kill. So it's not possible for me to die.

Sotty RB could block Artem, but can't also block Iam. So I can't be killed. This means I will be alive to confirm I was jailed, confirming Iam as town, and in turn Fark. So we'd know that Sotty-PM were the scum.

Other options for Sotty-PM. Block Iam, PM target Artem. Means they can't kill, town has enough mislynches to try one from each. Town win.

Other scenarios -

Fark claims blocked. Percy is dead. This is only possible if Iam-Fark are scum.

Artem is dead - Sotty/PM blocked Iam. PM/Sotty killed Artem. Or. Iam blocked PM. Fark killed Artem. But, I got a result. On someone that shouldn't have. (Namely Iam or Sotty)

I *think* this may be foolproof. Can someone check it? Percy?

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Percy dead works out in a similar to the Artem dead scenario.

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Yeh, this game has become more of a logic puzzle than mafia. I like logic puzzles, but that's not what this site is supposed to be about. And it sucks for the scum.

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I hadn't looked at it. I had already got to thinking about mine and didn't read Percy's...I'll go look now.

But yeh, we need to make sure everyone with an action knows what they're doing. We can do a little /confirm thing with all the powers...

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Percy's plan is only for if Kabe is scum.

My plan is for if Kabe is town.

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Well it doesn't really matter if he's scum.

If Kab is scum, town can't lose, seeing as he can only be scum with Sotty and PM, and we'd have a mislynch in hand.

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The only difference in the plans is jailing Fark instead of me, which I think is spurious anyway in the case Kab is scum.

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And i'd still like Percy to proofread my plan before we decide on it, he might ntoice something I missed.

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Oh.

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Yeh, I think that works.

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^.^

Thanks Percy.

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Unvote Vote Kabe

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Vote Iam

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No, you blocked PM and Fark killed Artem.

Or was it the other way round?

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You guys played pretty well though. You underestimated how the claims could set up town for a win. Should have taken my mislynch.

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http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 47#1668447

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And you can put a sock in it Iam, I caught you.

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Sotty did not visit anyone.

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Nope. I get "No result" if i'm blocked.

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100%

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Hmm. Fark

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be a hitman, I guess. So his kill would have gone through despite being blocked...That would make PM the RB. I suppose the pairing was potentially flawed.

I admit your reaction to this looks pretty pro-town.

Unvote Vote Fark

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I don't know why I said potentially there. It was flawed. I don't know how it slipped by. Still, Fark being town is not an option.

If Fark flips Hitman, you choose between PM and Iam, i'll be dead...

If Fark flips non-Hitman, then it's gotta be Iam.

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I've thought through tonights options. There's nothing solid, as far as I can tell.

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You know what, I can buy this.

PM's lack of protecting Artem did seem suspicious to me.

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Tonight, Xtoxm should track me, I'll jail no one. Percy passes a bullet to Sotty.

That way, if anyone dies, Pablo is proven scum, because Xtoxm will know I went nowhere. If he no kills, we can lynch him or me and Sotty can vig the other. Problems?

No, Pablo could kill X, then we wouldn't have his result.

I'll jail Pablo. Then he can't kill, Sotty gets a bullet, it doesn't matter which one of us is lynched, because the other will be vigged. Perfect.

Oh, didn't notice this, but flawed. Lone RB can block and kill. Block you, kill me first night. Block Sotty, kill Sotty next night.

Goddammit, I wish I hadn't overlooked that Fark could have been a hitman...

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Well you could be the scum RB yourself.

Were you told you were roleblocked, or told nothing?

Answer quickly, kthnx.

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Who do you think are scum, and why?

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Why aren't you voting?

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Iam's frustration and excessive swearing looked pretty town to me...I get like that when someone I think/know is town is being retarded, when i'm town.

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Sigh. Well I will die tonight, Percy can make the final decision...

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Both PM and Fark were not on Kirr's wagon.

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Gay.

What happend on N2?

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And yeh, this loss is pretty much my fault. 3rd game I recognise as such

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I was close to hammering Sotty...But I reread and chose not too...That lost the game right there.

And yeh, I forgot too.