_over9000 wrote:Pablo wrote:
Over has a whole 4 posts to his name, one jumping on a semi-popular wagon and mostly misinterpreting kabenon007's words even after kabenon's exchange with me had (I thought) cleared it up.
The reason I have so few posts is that it appears I am in a far different timezone that the rest of you (US Eastern). Therefore, while you guys are able to actively partake in heated debates in real time, I am forced to be active only when my schedule allows it, which does not fall into any of yours. So, my posts are directed at the entire day, and by the time im next on a whole new page has been posted.
I never like this whole "I'm in a different timezone" excuse; I don't think there's been a particularly significant amount of 'real time debate' in this game, so this just isn't valid.
That said, the player analysis that you've done so far definitely looks good.
Sotty7 wrote:Hey, hey.
Hi, Sotty! Are you scum again?
kirroha wrote:That's a WIFOM. He jumped on a wagon without thinking of the consequences.
I doubt it. Jumping on the first wagon you see without thinking and hoping for the best would be incredibly short-sighted scum play. Even on the off chance that no one noticed it at the time, and it lead to a town lynch on that day, it would certainly get him in trouble before the end of the game. kabenon's been on the site for 2 years, I'm pretty sure he has enouh experience to know what a stupid plan that would be.
I certainly think it's possible that kabenon is scum, but I think whatever his alignment, he definitely did think about the consequences of his Percy vote.
kirroha wrote:And don't you think it's weird, the way that he tried directing suspicion to me, who is the one who has the most number of votes at the current moment? That's very scummy to me.
I don't think it's weird for him to direct suspicion at a scummy player, no.
kirroha wrote:If you still don't believe me, then I think maybe I should claim.
You're not that close to being lynched. Claims are a last resort only.
kirroha wrote:Then look at it this way. If it's valid against me, why can't it be valid against him? If you choose to say what I used against him is invalid, what you used against me is also invalid.
It can't be used against him because he's not actually trying too hard to look town.
But that's not the point. Your defence when you've been accused of it has always been "It's not scummy, it's perfectly natural for town to want to look town". By using at as a point against kabenon, you're clearly saying that it
is
scummy to try too hard to look town, thus completely invalidating your own defence. You could have said "No, it's not scummy", you could have said "Yeah, OK, it is scummy, but look! kabenon's doing it too!" but you're trying to do both at once, and that just doesn't work. You can't have it both ways. Either it is scummy, or it isn't.
kirroha wrote:
Anyway, currently I'm thinking of whether to claim or not. Because my role can serve to tell the scum about the setup pretty well.
Don't try to scare people away from your wagon with scummy softclaims.
CJMiller wrote:What do you want me to do? Whenever I do anything, it just makes you all think I'm scum.
You haven't actually done anything yet, so how would you know?
CJMiller wrote:Unvote
because I will remain neutral for the rest of the day.
*headdesk*
CJMiller wrote:Vote: Kirroha
for acting too scummy to be a citizen
Do you actually think this, or are you just saying it because you saw other people saying something similar?
Wulfy wrote:I feel as though many people, some of whom are probably scum, just decided to land on CJ who, although obscenely anti town, hasn't techinically done anything scummy. Has he been...anti town? Yeah... lazy townie possible? Definitely. Scummy?
ehh.... not really. By the book, wagon hopping for the sake of wagon hopping is scummy.
And what do you call that kirroha vote CJ just made, if not wagon hopping for the sake of wagon hopping?
Farkshinsoup wrote:CJ Miller vs. Kirroha feels like bussing to me. I'd be happy at this point lynching either one of them.
I honestly don't think CJ would be smart enough to think of bussing his partners. If he turns out be scum, that would go a long way to clearing kirroha in my eyes.
Players like CJ are incredibly frustrating, because it's pretty clear that he would be playing exactly the same useless way if he was town or scum, and the chances are that he's town, just because there's more town than scum (unless CJ is the mod, of course). But either way, he's never going to be of any help to town, and we can't afford to let him slide by, because he might be scum.
We've given him plenty of chances to get his act together and do something to help the town, and it's clearly not going to happen, so
Unvote, Vote: CJMiller
(THAT'S L-1, Y'ALL)
CJ, what I would like you to do in your next post is claim your role. Don't copy out the whole role PM or anything like that, just tell us the name of the role. It's in bold and a different colour to the rest of the text, it should be easy to find.