Open 121: Two of Four (b9) - Over! before 752

[Primate]

H'yup.

[Primate]

Anyway, I'd like to hear your and Primate's opinion of DCJ although he's dead.

I thought he was scummy, but that's heavily biased by facts revealed since, and I don't know which way I would have gone on the day.

[Primate]

Yeah, ok. Currently I'm 4 pro-town reads to 2 scummy reads.

[Primate]

Mind telling use who they are?

That's not really helpful until they're better.

[Primate]

we killed our cop when we lynched zwets.

Pssst...Town didn't 'lynch' or 'kill' zwet...Or did you mean that you killed him at Night?

And because you keep bringing it up, maybe this will get the message through...

THE FACT THAT ZWET WAS THE COP HAS NO BEARING ON THE SOUNDNESS OF THE BANDWAGON ON HIM.

HET FEIT DAT ZWET COP WAS HEEFT GEEN INVLOED OP DE GEFUNDEERDHEID VAN DE MUZIEKWAGEN OP HEM.

LE FAIT QUE ZWET ÉTAIT LA CANNETTE DE FIL A LE NON PORTANT SUR LA SOLIDITÉ DU MOUVEMENT SUR LUI.

DIE TATSACHE, DASS ZWET DIE SPINDEL WAR, HAT NR. MIT NACHDRUCK AUF DIE STICHHALTIGKEIT DES FAHRENDEN WAGENS AUF IHM.

ΤΟ ΓΕΓΟΝΟΣ ΟΤΙ ZWET ΉΤΑΝ Η ΣΠΌΛΑ ΔΕΝ ΈΧΕΙ ΚΑΜΊΑ ΣΧΈΣΗ ΣΤΗΝ ΥΓΕΊΑ ΤΗΣ ΜΌΔΑΣ ΣΕ ΤΟΝ.

IL FATTO CHE ZWET ERA LA SPOLA HA NO RIGUARDANTE LA SOLIDITÀ DEL CARRO SU LUI.

ZWETが警察官だったという事実は彼の楽隊車の安定度に関係ない。

ФАКТ ЧТО ZWET БЫЛО ПОЛИСМЕНОМ НЕ ИМЕЕТ НИКАКОЙ ПОДШИПНИК НА ЗДРАВОСТИ ГРУЗОВИКА С ОРКЕСТРОМ НА ЕМ.

EL HECHO DE QUE ZWET FUERA EL POLI TIENE NO CONCERNIENTE LA VALIDEZ DEL CARRO DE LA BANDA DE MÚSICA EN ÉL.

*Note: Only the first sentence (English, in Dark Red) should be taken as an official statement. The other sentences are translations of the first, using BabelFish, in the hops you will understand one of them.*

I think I like you.

[Primate]

Primate, can you give some reasons why you saw DCJ as scummy?

Sure I can. Purely out of interest though, why should I be spending time doing that when I could be improving and posting my reads on players who are alive? Genuinely curious, not trying to be flippant.

[Primate]

@Primate
Because I'd like to know everyone's opinion of DCJ. Especially as BSW (the one you replaced) never gave her opinion, I'd like to see what you have to say about him.

No, I won't, then. It's not relevant currently. Would have been previous to his lynch, now? no.

[Primate]

@zaz - how can you not believe hewitt is scum and still want me to hammer? your position makes no sense. and I meant AT THIS TIME hewitt is the lynch for the day. that can obviously change, BECAUSE I'M GIVING IT THE CHANCE TO CHANGE!!! I'm USING those extra days we have.

Appreciated, in my case.

I am dubious about this lynch. I am unsure Hewitt would be taking some of the stances he is doing if he is scum, and his flailing feels more like indignant townie than losing the game scum.

[Primate]

Scum killing people you think might themselves be scum is an odd sense of relief and dissapointment.

[Primate]

I know this will put the town at LYLO, but if I thought there was a better way, I woudl unvote. the best I can do is state my suspicion and keep my vote on me.

I'm sure lynching you and having a day that lasts shorter than 24 hrs will be very condusive to discussion. I realise you've got it in your mind that you want to take a stand and you are sacrificing yourself, etc, but it's honestly not a good play under these circumstances or ever.

As for you, KMD, with that amount of posts, I am stunned you don't know better.

[Primate]

As for you, KMD, with that amount of posts, I am stunned you don't know better.

Unvote

Sens wasn't online (he is now) and I knew that you and Emp wouldn't hammer. I wanted to see if she was willing to accept the lynch. Also, if she claimed a power role, I knew she was lying.

As for you, KMD, with that amount of posts, I am stunned you don't know better.

[Primate]

Yeah, ok. Currently I'm 4 pro-town reads to 2 scummy reads.

Current predictions are 3/6 of these were right. I'm not very good at this.

[Primate]

Isn't not claiming a power role in an open setup where you would immediately be counterclaimed very basic scum play?

[Primate]

The current question is when we cut to the chase and lynch empking.

[Primate]

Yeah, ok. Currently I'm 4 pro-town reads to 2 scummy reads.

Current predictions are 3/6 of these were right. I'm not very good at this.

Did you ever reveal those predictions? You know...given you're supposed to help find Scum, if you're Town...

That's why I didn't put forward opinions that were inadaquately thought about.

[Primate]

Isn't not claiming a power role in an open setup where you would immediately be counterclaimed very basic scum play?

Its semi-open. There could in theory not be another Power role.

Yeah, sorry, I misread the first post and missed the fact that one of the roles in the power role selection there was a townie.

So what's your reads now?

I don't really think Sekinj is, I don't really think KMD is, but I'd like to do some playstyle analysis simply because I'm suspicious that his post volume vs played time engenders a fritz style play of consistency across games, and that concerns me. I think you're likely to be town also, but, you, in particular, have the experience to be able to pull of the pro-town driver attitude you've been sticking with as scum, and quite possibly the balls to do so, which I think is more relevant. Emptyger was originally one of my pro-town reads, but I'm increasingly going against that primarily because he's the most dubious read that way, and every time I tried to read him from that perspective again, I don't really see it.

[Primate]

I take it you appreciate the reason you are being distracting isn't because you are inherently distracting, it is because you do distracting things like try to lynch yourself. Doing something incredibly distracting to stop being distracting is stupid.

[Primate]

hey guys whuts goin on in hyar

[Primate]

This is what death row has come too. years of waiting to die...

Nicely drawn anology. It's because they could be innocent.

[Primate]

Ok, we need something to jump-start activity here. Let's try this.

I don't really think Sekinj is, I don't really think KMD is, but I'd like to do some playstyle analysis simply because I'm suspicious that his post volume vs played time engenders a fritz style play of consistency across games, and that concerns me. I think you're likely to be town also, but, you, in particular, have the experience to be able to pull of the pro-town driver attitude you've been sticking with as scum, and quite possibly the balls to do so, which I think is more relevant. Emptyger was originally one of my pro-town reads, but I'm increasingly going against that primarily because he's the most dubious read that way, and every time I tried to read him from that perspective again, I don't really see it.

I'm going to call these reads wishy washy and non-commital and ask you to rank the remaining players as far as liklieness of being scum. I'll also ask for reasons why your number one scum read is scum. Failure to do this will result in you getting my vote.

My number one scum read is emp because he is the only one i don't think is town and by process of elimination he has to be scum. Figuring out town reads is much easier and more consistent that figuring out scum reads, for me at least. So your question and demand is restrictively and badly phrased, redo it please.

[Primate]

This is what death row has come too. years of waiting to die...

Nicely drawn anology. It's because they could be innocent.

Are you saying you KNOW I'm innocent?

No, that's not even remotely what I'm saying. Try again.

[Primate]

Hey Empking nice expressing suspicion without saying why there. I am assuming you have an awesome non-hypocritical reason for voting me.

[Primate]

Nice goin there guys.

[Primate]

I'm not going to apologizw for voting the guy that was self-voting.

I wasn't asking you to. I am sure you had very good reasons for mislynching someone. Did you think he was scum?

[Primate]

To clarify, were you voting him because you thought he was scum?

[Primate]

Primate: Do you understand why Sekinj self-voted?

He was afraid of being lynched in a lylo situation.

People who are afraid of being lynched in Lylo generally don't vote for themselves in Lylo because, fairly obviously, it means they get lynched. So he wouldn't have voted for himself today, and the only day he was a liability was yesterday.

[Primate]

To clarify, were you voting him because you thought he was scum?

Partly, yes. I also didn't want someone that unstable alive in LyLo, if they are Town.

Fair enough, long as you're owning up to the fact that if you mislynch someone, it's your fault and not theirs.

[Primate]

To clarify, were you voting him because you thought he was scum?

Partly, yes. I also didn't want someone that unstable alive in LyLo, if they are Town.

Fair enough, long as you're owning up to the fact that if you mislynch someone, it's your fault and not theirs.

Not only was he lynched, but he was on the wagon.

It was a classic example of very poor play, something this game has had way too much of, unfortunately.

if you are saying there that lynching him was poor play, I entirely agree.

(I know this is not what you are saying)

I appreciate he was playing badly, but that is no reason at all to lynch him except in extremely rare circumstances. I think it's also incredibly scummy, because it basically it's an ironclad argument for being blameless for a mislynch, if you can put the blame for running up someone on the lynchee, instead of recognising it as your own inability to read someone who was playing in a non-standard fashion.

This doesn't mean he didn't play badly, he undisputedly did, and in the post game, I'd take a serious look at that day in particular if I were him. And it doesn't mean that you necessarily played badly. If you had an argument in favour of him being scum that you believed in, fair enough, we all make mistakes once in a while, and they are what we learn from, but it *was* your fault, just as my misread of Zazie was my fault.

[Primate]

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That probably wasn't very wise.