Open 121: Two of Four (b9) - Over! before 752

[sekinj]

hi guys! I'm replacing militant!

[sekinj]

i can see scumhunting has now reached a whole new level...

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@Zaz - I remember you. I don't think I've played a full game with you though... It's harder to remember people who change their avatars (like sens).

I am working on reading...

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@zaz: I probably would have believed dcj's votes were based on his playing elsewhere, and woudl have been hesitant to vote him, even though he fit the mafiascum definition of scummy. however, his flipping scum proves that you can't give a pass to that kind of play.

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hewitt's reactions seem way too dramatic, and I don't understand why he is not seeing the connection pointed out between nat, zwet, and emp....

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@emp: what do you think of policy lynches on players as is being discussed?

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Sens is just saying that we can't double guess ourselves. If DCJ had flipped town I'm sure you'd be all over the rest of the players about that one too, but he played scummy (in some ppl's opinion), and flipped scum. zwet, played scummy (in some ppl's opinion) and flipped town. okay. let's move on.

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^^@hew

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Sens is just saying that we can't double guess ourselves. If DCJ had flipped town I'm sure you'd be all over the rest of the players about that one too, but he played scummy (in some ppl's opinion), and flipped scum. zwet, played scummy (in some ppl's opinion) and flipped town. okay. let's move on.

Okaaay well do you think he was playing scummy?

that's not the point. enough people though he was playing scummy to get him at L-1. that's the point. That has to mean the majority of the townies thought he was scummy.

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how does this line of questioning help us scumhunt?

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zaz - as I said, I probably would have excused his piling on votes and voting for bad reasons as just not being used to mafiascum. If you have something particular you want me to comment about, please say which post.

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zaz- he had a total of 10 posts, he really didn't have a huge stake in the game or do a ton of things. My general opinion of him is that he seemed scummy, but I probably wouldn't have voted him because I would have believed his bit about not being used to mafiascum.

that is my general opnion of dcj. I really don't know what else you are trying to get. Please point out a specific action or example if you want more.

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@sens - where am I on your list????

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@zaz - thank you for mentioning specific things you want me to address, I'll look at those and let you know.

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Zaz - I looked back at dcj and sesn and I'm just not seeing these big events you want me to see. DCJ's play seemed weird and scummy, but it also just seemed very foriegn to mafiascum. he always refered to "where he came from". and the only think i could see sens doing was the hammer of dcj.

and I don't know who I would have voted day 1, I can't second guess that given the D2 info I have now. I can just point out people I think are scummy now which is what I am working on next.

I don't think this line of questioning is going anywhere. If you have a point please make it.

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@hewitt - I see nothing in your meta that shows you are against policy lynches. so, why this big fight with sens regarding his voting of zwet?

i am very ready to hammer

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I think you are scum because you are being overdramatic in your reactions regarding dcj, and zwet. I cannot find meta to support your play in this game, and in fact the meta I do see is in direct contradiction. (no link because of ongoing games).

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the contradiction is your stance on policy lynches. you seem fine with it in meta, but fought it (or somethign very similar) tooth and nail in this game.

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no, i can't, because I'm not going to discuss ongoing games.

I understand slight shifts of view depending on the game or situation. however, you fought SO HARD against sens, acting like you couldn't even fathom the idea. that's not a situational shift of thought.

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yet you were arguing the point regarding zwet as lately as yesterday.

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we've been over this before, and it is getting very tiresome. the only reason I am not hammering is to give people a chance to say why they have their vote on hewitt.

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Oh no I'm talking about this day not D1. I'm just being pissy cause I've never been lynched as a townie before.

wa wa wa appeal to emotion

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I guess the only other person voting KMD is VLA until the 21st...

@zaz & primate - what do you two think of hewitt?

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SO you are your current suspects zaz?

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ebwop you=who

who are your current suspects

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I guess everyone is on Spring Break?!?!

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I HAVE read the game zaz. however, re-reading a game is much different than actually being involved in it. if that is the reason you are voting me, then you can just suck it. I bent over backward trying to answer your irrelvant questions, and you come back and say I haven't read the game. that pisses me off.

If someone is about to be hammered and you disagree with it, I expect you to be making a case, not sitting back and making sure I review all your comments from AGES ago. and since it is from AGES ago, I expect a relevant answer that is UP TO DATE. now if you still have the same opinion, fine, just say so. don't throw things in my face.

also, I'm not going to hammer when one of the voters is known to be on V/LA and everyone else is mum.

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I mean, everyone but you.

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but I'm not goign to hammer while one of the voters is V/LA and the others are not giving their opinions. If I went ahead and hammered, people liek zaz woudl be voting me tomorrow for the quick hammer. no thank you. I'll wait at least on more day to make sure kmd is happy with his vote.

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yeah, if you hadn't noticed, voting leads to death...

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So far we have 2 confirmed voted for hewitt. that is NOT a majority. If someone else would liek to hammer, be my guest. as for me, I'd like to verify KMD's position.

The pressure to hammer is making me re-think hewitt's scumminess in the first place.

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clarification: the pressure to hammer is making me consider if others are more scummy than hewitt

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i just want to be sure of a majority, simple as that.

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I dont' think he changed his mind. I just want to be sure that he can't come back and claim that he did, or would have given the current info.

I also wanted to see if primate and zaz were going to take any sort of stand, but by this point it is clear that they are apparently happy in their passive side-line position.

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i just want to be sure of a majority, simple as that.

You think it would be scummy to hammer without the input of everyone on the wagon?

Yes! 100% yes!

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you're not doign yourself any favor hewitt.

zaz had said nothing new for almost a week... I call that not taking a stand.

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And I also think it's interesting that the person who has their vote on you and quite clearly explained their vote on you and you turn around and call them a passive side-liner

in regards to hewitt

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there I fixed it to make it accurate.

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then dont' fucking mis-rep me

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By nothing new do you mean she's had the same stance on the issue for the week? Because I've had my same stances this whole game and would that make me a passive side-liner?

having the same stance the whole game or any length of time does not a passive side-liner make. but sitting by during a weeklong hash of whether or not someoen deserves a hammer, saying nothing and just relying on everyone knowing that you meant what you said last saturday... is passive side-lining. How is it that you are the day's lynch and she hasn't mentioned you for a week?

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@sens - while I believe a quick hammer is absolutely scummy, it doesn't absolutely make you scum. Plus, of course outcome of getting scum kind of clears up that situation. it's unlikely you would quickhammer your own buddy. and hewitt is correct, I'm not 100% on him, he is just my top suspect. that is another reason I'm not going to be talked into a hammer by you or emp, no one has done anything yet to outway my doubts on hewitt enough to hammer this long before deadline. while your quickhammer yesterday turned out okay, I'm not going to run the same risk.

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@sens - i told you so.....

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Sekinj, I demand that you give the titles of the games you've gotten hewitt's meta from.

He claimed they were ongoing, if I recall. He

CANNOT

name them, if that's the case.

this.

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@zaz - in your opinion dcj's defense of coming from another place was no valid. His flip certainly showed that. I'm saying that I would have beleived him. why do you keep making me repeat this? I'm saying that he probably would have fooled me! now I can't know for sure because i replaced in after. but from reading his posts, I think i probably would have beleived his defense and made excuses for him. this is the last time I'm goign to say it.

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@zaz - how can you not believe hewitt is scum and still want me to hammer? your position makes no sense. and I meant AT THIS TIME hewitt is the lynch for the day. that can obviously change, BECAUSE I'M GIVING IT THE CHANCE TO CHANGE!!! I'm USING those extra days we have.

and I'm still ready to hammer given that nothing has convinced me of hewitt's townieness. I can be ready to hammer and still not hammer until the appropriate time.

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zaz - I disagree with you.

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yeah, that's the best I can do.

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right now anyway. I'll give it the credit it deserves after work.

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ok, i spent my lunch on this. here you go.

No Sens, want to know why she (Sekinj is female) doesn't want to give the numbers of those games? Because Hewitt isn't dead in his ongoing games. Just check Open 104, Open 122 and Open 125. Those are his other games besides this one. And she's using that as argument why Hewitt is scum in this game, while she doesn't know his allignments in the other games.

you're right I don't. but in this game he was acting like he doesn't even UNDERSTAND the concept of policy lynches. that is what got me. he was so over the top in his reactions and I couldn't find that anywhere else. please go ahead and prove me wrong.

And Sekinj, I have given my reason why DCJ's defence was not valid. I have said this many times already, yet you haven't given any comments about it, while believing DCJ's defence. So what did you think of my argument against his defence?

He voted for a lynch to get things moving. that's pretty scummy. great. you found scum. good job. I'm glad you didn't believe him. I don't know what I would have done. happy? I'm really trying to be as honest as possible with you as possible about this and you keep asking the same thing. the answer is not goign to change.

But I'm also wondering why you are ignoring my last two reasons why I'm voting you. Any reason for that?

yeah, becasue I can only take so much crap at one time.
ok fine. what meta?
and as far as militant's last post - i barely understand it. He is saying he disagrees with sens's tactic of goign after zwet... great... aren't there plenty of players who have said they disagree with that tactic?

Also, post 453 is just BS.
First a huge misrep. I'm questioning you about your intentions why you want to hammer hewitt. I don't want you to hammer hewitt, and I see no reason how you'd have gotten this impression as I have given reasons why his case is bad.
And you're doing nothing to change the lynch. You're only stalling it. If you were doing something to change, you'd have given a case against someone else. But you've only answered questions, talked about hewitt and defend yourself. You're using the last days to hear other players their opinion on hewitt. That's not trying to change it.
Besides, it doesn't surprise me that your stance hasn't changed about hewitt as he's the only player, besides yourself, you're focusing on.

I think hewitt is the scummiest, I've given my reason, I'd liek to see what others think. of those who have shared, I am considering what they think. I am not set on a hewitt lynch yet (or I would have hammered already).

at this point zaz is goign to think I'm scummy no matter what I say, so I just don't see the point.

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hewitt - that point is moot you retard. kmd unvoted. exactly like I suspected might happen. he wanted a chance to be sure of the case on you. that is thanks enough for me not hammering.

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err... skip the last post...

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omg. yes. i will hammer. I can see that I will need to avoid all games with sense and zaz. there is no point to them.

vote: hewiit

and don't worry hewitt, I'm sure you will have your revenge tomorrow.

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I actually wish I could unvote and hammer myself at this point

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like you have done the whoel game?

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if you were so perfect, then how is it that you are lynched?

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vote: hewitt{/b]

oh dang I can't hammer again

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thanks hewitt, but it looks like you are going to go suck it first. don't worry, I'll be right behind you as tomorrow's lynch.

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First of all and very importantly - I did not say zaz or sens are bad players. I said I will need to avoid games with them, becasue there is no point in me playing with them, because I cannot communicate with them.

look at my posts to zaz... they all say the same thing. she keeps asking the same thing and I keep repeating the same thing.

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oh crap i meant why would they go after you.

i guess this ruins your record of not being an ass.

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kmd - I dont' care at this point. you guys can lynch two townies in a row, and hopefully, since dcj was brought down fast, the remaining scum can still be found. although I can't profess very much patriotism for this town...

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Vote: sekinj

I think this is best for the town since I have become just a distraction at this point. zaz's murder was an obv setup for me as well.

on a side note: I think kmd is the scum, so I woudl suggest going after him tomorrow. When he returned from his v/la he unvoted and said he was going to review and make sure of his case, but then when he re-voted he just said that he had always been sure of his case on hewitt.

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what should I say to defend myself? really, what? sens brings out the worst town in me.

and it IS true that everyone's attention will be on me today. I'd rather just cut that out and let the town find the real scum. I think they have a good shot since dcj was eliminated so early.

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townie

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I know this will put the town at LYLO, but if I thought there was a better way, I woudl unvote. the best I can do is state my suspicion and keep my vote on me.

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i just don't think the suspicion on me is going to go away. besides it will be useful to discussion to see who jumps on and who holds back.

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this discussion proves my point.

I am getting suspicious of Primate though. It seems like he is just going for the easy lynch at this point because he knows everyone is town.

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if you are so sure you should vote for me, sens

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My case that you shoud lynch me? I thought they would be perfect for that....

[sekinj]

ok. We need one more noble townie... Emp?

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no, i'm not inherently distracting. But I have become a distraction in this game. It cannot be rectified until I am lynched. the last several pages proves that.

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If you keep this up, you may need to be lynched so you aren't around in LYLO...

Which is exactly what I dont' want. If I am still here at LYLO, I will be lynched for the game loss. I would much rather be lynched now, so the scum can be lynched at lylo.

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it looks like we are just going to sit here for 10 days anyway...

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This is what death row has come too. years of waiting to die...

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This is what death row has come too. years of waiting to die...

Nicely drawn anology. It's because they could be innocent.

Are you saying you KNOW I'm innocent?

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This is what death row has come too. years of waiting to die...

Nicely drawn anology. It's because they could be innocent.

Are you saying you KNOW I'm innocent?

No, that's not even remotely what I'm saying. Try again.

Are you trying to say that YOU are the scum??

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Yeah, I'd like to know why I am town...

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I'm here

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I'd love it if sens was the scum... Maybe he did a quick-bus to stop discussion and appear pro-town?

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hmmm... interesting...

so, does the town really think they have won now?

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Unvote

Vote: Sekinj

veerus doesn't require unvoting. you already hammered me.