Open 125: JK9 (Over) before 761

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/confirm

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Is that the same hat in your two avatars?

You make this really easy. Nice bus, though.

vote: Zwet.

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By the way, it's "Zwetschge" not "Zwetsche".

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It's a sort of plum.

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Well, according to wikipedia "Zwetsche", "Quetsche" or "Zwetschke" are used depending on region, too, so I retract my criticism.
I only knew them with the g.

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Shin is voting me, though the mod has it the other way around.

Fixed

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On the contrary I find it a lot more informative on how people react to me not random voting.

What does Empking's reaction tell you?

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Can any of you tell me about your past game experiences with each other or link me to the relevant game(s)?

I feel kind of lost here.

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^That's why I'd always be fine with an Emp lynch.

Are you suggesting a policy lynch?

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And he didn't scold you for it in that game?

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Is that a serious vote?

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Is that a serious vote?

Yes. I don't think that attitude of him of saying that everything is a scumtell will help the town, not now not later, whatever he's scum or not. So, I rather not have him for another day.

So you equate anti-town with scum.

Which is exactly what Empking is doing.

You guys are a bunch of hypocrites.

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Or rather you want to lynch anti-town, not scum, which is exactly what Empking is doing.

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It's not based on previous grudges or anything. I don't like playing with that. But I can't deny that Emp's activity in this game has reduced to say that everything he doesn't like is a scumtell. For me, that's quite enough reason to be suspicious of him. And if he is a townie, do you want a partner like that, who can't truly help you guessing who the mafia is thanks to that?

Whatever he's scum or townie, he's a good lynch.

Let's revisit your vote:

Oh, please! Can you end that discussion? It's not going anywhere! I agree with hewitt, random voting is not necessary, and Emp suggested that it was some kind of ritual all townies must do in other to prove that they're not scum early in the game.

Get over it, Emp, and let us play the game, you scum.

Unvote

Vote: Emp

For thinking that everything is a scumtell.

Underlined for emphasis.

So you did claim he was being scummy (and might I add in a way that makes the post sound fake - which is why I thought it was still random).

But now you claim you're actually voting him because he's useless.

Which is it? (And again, Empking actively suspects people for being useless..

just like you.

)

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Empking: What exactly is the purpose of that list?

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You have a picture in your head of what a townie should do.
People that do not conform with this, are suspected by you.

Is that impression wrong?

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That's a broad question I can't really answer. People that push crap cases for example.

I'm not saying that "slackers" should be ignored, just that I value lynching scum in

this

game higher than lynching someone to "educate him" for a later game.

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That's a broad question I can't really answer. People that push crap cases for example.

I'm not saying that "slackers" should be ignored, just that I value lynching scum in

this

game higher than lynching someone to "educate him" for a later game.

Even if townies are just as likely to push that specific case?

It wouldn't be a crap case if townies could easily think it up, would it?

When did I say otherwise?

I didn't claim you did.

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No, I was referring to the several people that are actually voting for you.

That said, I can easily imagine you doing the same thing.

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Unless I'm missing something everyone who's voting Empking is doing so because they think he's useless.

So yes, that would be everyone on his wagon.

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To clarify my point there:
Lynching someone just because he's useless is
1. not better than a random lynch
2. doesn't gain anymore information that the lynchee's alignment. If Empking comes up town everyone on the wagon can just throw his arms in the air and say "Oh well, who could've known he'd be town! Such an easy mistake to make". There's no responsibility involved at all.

The only possible good thing (other than, by chance, hitting scum) that could come off it is a long term learning effect for the player that's lynched.

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I have no read on him, yet.

Where have you been useful this game?

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I think it's silly to ask a player to evaluate their own game and ask where they've been useful. The ultimate way to rate someone's usefulness to see how useful they are in other player's opinions. If I'm posting useful information and nobody's listening then it's to no avail. If I'm posting crap and everybody's listening then it's misguidance. A player's usefulness is not how they perceive themselves but how other's perceive and use their posts.

Change the question to "Where has Grimmy been useful?" then.

I can actually think of a few reasons lynching a useless is better than a random lynch, when the useless is Emp.

- Distracting to town (A random lynch may or may not be. Either way, it's no worse than lynching Emp.)
- Impossible to tell alignment (A random lynch may be someone who's alignment can be guessed by what they post. That's not the case with Emp).
- Adds no new information and doesn't help town at all (A random lynch can give information taht could be used at present or in the future)

Who's to say that Empking will remain a mystery for the whole game?
I have no idea what the third point is supposed to mean.

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And actually why did you not answer my question before turning around and basically asking the same question back to me? I didn't ask you about my game and my usefulness I'm asking you about Empking's usefulness.

Because it's a useless question.
You're asking me to tell you where Empking was useful, presumably to justify why I'm not voting him, when several other people have been just as useless, or even more useless (see: Grimmy).
You're applying a double standard.

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TDC, you really think that Emp is helping the town? Do you really think Emp is being useful? Why are you so defending/preventing his lynch so much?

I'm not saying he's useful.

You guys are saying he's useless and I'm saying that
a) that's not good enough a reason for a lynch at this point
b) I don't understand why Empking is the only one who is useless (his posts might not help much, but at least he does post).

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hewitt: What's the purpose of the question then?
I don't think Empking is particularly helping. He's playing the game in a very mechanical fashion.

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Do you acknowledge that he could be one of the two power roles just as likely as one of the two scum roles?

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dej: No.

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So far, the only thing that has called my attention has been TDC's posts. It feels as if he was trying to defend Emp. And I'm not saying or imply that TDC's scum, but I don't like people who over-defend others like that. TDC, I know that you probably think that an Emp's lynch just for his attitude is a bad idea, but why you defended him so much? Or is it just my imagination? No sarcasm intended, just wondering if it's just me the one perceiving that way.

Unless the Jailkeeper prevents two nightkills, we have exactly two mislynches. That's not much, and potentially wasting one of these two on a policy lynch would be stupid. Not only because so far the chance of Empking (or Grimmy) being scum is 1/4 like for everyone else, but because we will have nothing to go on tomorrow.
That some of you even consider

two

policy lynches is outright ridiculous.
If you consider that "defending Emp", feel free.

Slightly off-topic: Is english your mother tongue?

To be honest, I have nothing on everyone else.

Why?

Everyone on the Empking wagon basically has the same reason for being so.
Everyone else not on the Empking wagon has the same opinion as I - Empking isn't worth the lynch - or is semi-inactive.

Exactly. Now imagine what happens if this is all we do today.

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Really, if your argument for lynching him is, that even if he's town it's a good thing, because he's just a distraction - I might agree if this was a larger game, but it isn't.
There is no time to reduce the town to people that are readable.

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I can't pin-point it, but your posts sound a bit odd. I understand you just fine though.

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No, tdc just said that despite his playstyle he still has the same chance of being scum as any one of us. I find it interesting that you used that phrase.

That's not what I got out of it.

How so?
I've explicitly said I have no read on him.

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You think he's more likely to be scum in this game than chance would have it?

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You think he's more likely to be scum in this game than chance would have it?

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You think he's more likely to be scum in this game than chance would have it?

I'm done trying to read him. If he doesn't want to adjust his scummy play, then I'll gladly lynch him. If someone else appears scummier then I'll switch my vote, but I doubt that'll happen when all anyone is talking about is Emp.

So: No you don't think he's more likely to be scum in this game than chance would have it.
In other words: You have no read on him.

When you bypass his scumminess and claim to have no read on him as see that as thinking someones more likely town.

What, then, am I bypassing, and how does me having the same opinion regarding his alignment (though different opinion with regard to having him policy lynched) imply I think "he's more likely town"?

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Yet you yourself don't think he's actually more likely to be scum than average. Why should I?

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This is all you're going to get from him all game, so when are you gonna make your decision on what to do with him?

Our two power roles actually become cops when the first scumbag is down.

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Sorry, I thought it was obvious.
Situation: one scum dead, following night someone dies.
The JK now knows that whoever he jailkept is innocent.
The Tracker now knows whether whoever he targetted is innocent or the final scum.
If the night ends without kill, no-lynch and repeat.

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He doesn't need to find out the role.
A Jailkeeper blocks and protects his target. The target thus can't be the killer.

And if the Tracker tracks someone that doens't do anything at all he knows he can't be the killer either.

It's really that simple.

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Is that the english variant of "putting an elephant through the eye of a needle"?

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dej&hewitt: How many games have you played together so far. Have you ever been scum together?

But still, we won't be able to read you when it's about Emp.

Whom do you feel able to read when it's about Emp?

I don't see where the supposed "slip" is.

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But still, we won't be able to read you when it's about Emp.

Whom do you feel able to read when it's about Emp?

Was unanswered.

Come on Zwet, give me something to work with or I'm gonna assume you meant what I thought you meant.

What do you think he meant?

Do not expect me to give you a slap on the back and a free ride to the next day if you are not going to help out the rest of the town.

That's an odd thing to say. Like "hey buddy, don't force me to bus you"?
Would you give him a free pass if he did "help out"?

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I'm not really getting all this mess... Any roads, I'm going to answer a question directed to me some time ago (sorry for being late):

But still, we won't be able to read you when it's about Emp.

Whom do you feel able to read when it's about Emp?

Was unanswered.

Well, you have a point there. Usually Emp only rises problems against himself. But, take hewitt for example. He's trying to find other ways to keep the game going without needing to lynch Emp for his playstyle, like looking for any leads in other players. I have given it a lot of thought, and I've decided that though I dislike Emp's style, I won't make a policy lynch just for that. I mean, this is a game of discussion, not a game to take it on the people you dislike.

So your criticism of dej is not that he's unreadable when he talks about Emp (which we seem to agree we all are), but that he doesn't talk about anything else?
While, if we take aside discussions brought on him by other people (hewitt and zwet) that is probably true.. why single him out?
He's hardly the only one.

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I have this gut thing where I think dej and you are connected, but I can't really substantiate it. And it might just be a result of your common suffering in your previous game anyway.
Thad and Sir make sense.
Grimmy seems to have to fulfill a fluff quota.
Shin is meh.
Zwet and Emp are in too many games. I have my doubts of whether they actually know whether they're scum or not themselves.

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He can give opinions, but I'm saying I don't want him directly saying who his 2nd or 3rd suspect is. I want him to say who he suspects while making cases, but not by making a list. Lists tell scum who his top suspects are, cases don't. Cases make them guess.

You think zwet's going to make cases?
Because if he won't, just telling us the names is about the only way we'll ever find out.

Empking: Do you usually make posts of the "my top three suspects are.." variety?

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EBWOP: How about I paste everything I want to quote in the same reply window..

It's improperly placed.

That is the FIRST mistake with punctuation you've made the whole game, which just happened to be between the back and forth with you and Dejhka.

Henceforth, I believe that's panicking.

The discussion with dej is hardly worth panicking over ,you know.

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Fitting a case into a one-liner is going to be hard.

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But when asked to, you'd comply?

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Ok, that's your personal opinion, as I have my own. However, if you do have played with Emp before, you should know that he usually doesn't look pro-town. And, it's not only me, almost every other player that has played with him thinks this way. But again, if that's your opinion, I won't be insisting in it any longer.

"Look, my vote looks bad. But people always vote him, so why can't I?"

Since when does reasoning have to be listed as 1. and 2.? I've seen it listed as A. and B. before I don't get what you're trying to prove here.

I don't see how Emp's A and B would make sense together, it was pretty obviously an or.

Siro: Since you've ignored it: What in his discussion with dej was Emp panicking over?

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Ok, that's your personal opinion, as I have my own. However, if you do have played with Emp before, you should know that he usually doesn't look pro-town. And, it's not only me, almost every other player that has played with him thinks this way. But again, if that's your opinion, I won't be insisting in it any longer.

"Look, my vote looks bad. But people always vote him, so why can't I?"

My vote looks bad? Sorry, but I do find scummy when a player OMGUS-es almost everything, and answers with "it's a scumtell" when someone says something he doesn't agree with. You may find that normal, and pro-town, but I don't.

Entirely besides the point. My point was that you're justifiying your vote with "everyone else does it too!", which is not a good reason at all.

You're getting yourself in a bad position, as now people may start wondering if you're just scum that is helping a scumbuddy in problems (which, btw, I'm starting to think that as well).

I'm not. How was Empking in "problems"?

Why are you trying to link people to Empking?

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Still waiting for Siro to tell us what Empking panicked about.

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How about you actually answer my question, Siro?

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Alright well I'd have to say that I'd agree an Empking D1 lynch would be most helpful to the town for D2.

Vote: Empking

Because Empking will be gone, or do you think you'll learn anything else?

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A policy lynch, then.

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Oh wow.

I seriously missed that question.

viewtopic.php?p=1581637#1581637

That is the FIRST instance of a misguided punctuation mark which is why I thought he panicked.

After that, he has made several other posting mistakes... (ie. posts 525, 534 [posting with his alt], 575, 596.)

I might have missed others...

I just find it odd that he has 4 mistakes in just 5 pages and 0 mistakes in 20 pages - everything before I mentioned that...

Let me remember you of my question:

What

was he panicking over?
If you want to interpret some spelling/punctuation mistakes as "panic" feel free, but until you actually show why he would have reason to panic as scum, I don't see how it's useful evidence for anything.
Or maybe you can dig up some scum games of him where his posts were "riddled" with errors like that.

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Aha!
That's what you meant!

I would say the pressure from Zwet and Dejhka.

Mostly post 485 where Dejh finds the slip in Empking...

The mistake happens when Empking tries to defend himself... Which is where I go the whole other part from...

So, by your own logic you are, not only, helping them narrow down who he thinks is town, but you want him to tell you he finds most suspicious (meaning: who they should keep alive)? Doesn't seem very pro-town by your standards.

Man, I wonder how Emp was even able to type after this near-fatal blow.

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I think it's nothing to panic over, yes.

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I'm not interested in hammering Empking either (he is on L-1 in case nobody noticed).

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So, zwet.
I claimed Emp was at L-1 (which he wasn't) and you "hammered" him without even asking for a role claim.

Why?

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Your.. what?

Empking lynches are standby's if the game is seriously stalling or a deadline is approaching, which I don't think is the case here, so no, I don't support an Emp lynch at the moment.

Really? Then forget my last post.

Vote: Empking

I hadn't noticed that the degenerating posting was a result over the indecisiveness over Empking.

That's your "pros/cons"?

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Yes.

So they're not existant.

However, I will probably leave this matter for D2.

Why?
And how do you know there'll be a D2 for you in the first place?

I don't necessarily think that either is a scummy play for those two players because it is so consistent with their playstyle. I hate it but that's how they play.

So.. you'd policy lynch either, but prefer Empking because.. ?

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zwet: If you have a track record of hammering people out of the blue as town, provide examples.

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Search it.

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I have already stated my reasonings for voting Empking. zwets pulling the hammer thing was not smart and if anybody else had done it I would be calling scummy. Unfortunately though it's zwets and that's just how he plays.

Could you restate them?
Is it the perceived connection between ThAd and him?
Is it that you think day 2 will be more productive without him (why that would not also be the case for someone that does things you'd call scummy if done by anybody else is beyond me)?

+1 scumpoint for Zwet.

How many of those scumpoints has Emp?

Sorry, but I've actually got a life and work to do.

We all have, that's no excuse.
Shouldn't be that many newbie games you've been in anyway, right?

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I was under the impression that your push towards Emp was a combination of personal grudge and nothing better being around, not a result of you actually finding him scummy (all I remember you ever holding against him was "the slip").
Hence I wondered how zwet's "scum point" compared to Emp.

So you're saying that it's not a big deal at all.

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Can

you

provide us with an example of how zwet can be expected to hammer-without-warning as town?

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Can

you

provide us with an example of how zwet can be expected to hammer-without-warning as town?

As in go find meta where he has done that before? I'm not sure if I have that, but what I meant is that I have learned zwets is so unpredicatable that it does not surprise me he would do that.

I guess I just don't understand how that makes zwet less productive than Emp.

I never held the slip against him.

Well, you brought the 'contradiction' up, that's what I meant.

I find Zwet more scummy, but I'd rather lynch Emp now since we wont' be going into D2 blind. Liek hewitt said, D2 will be more productive without him and we find out his alignment. If he was scum, I could see Thad as a possible partner.

I find lynching scum to be more productive than making the following day more productive.

We'll have to lynch him sometime and right now is the best time.

Not necessarily, if he is a power role, he could prove himself.

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EBWOP: I obviously meant "more productive" but it seems you understood what I meant.

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I'm a vanilla, sorry to burst your bubble.

...

The fact Zwet wanted to hammer him so much...

superbussing... it's not unknown. ha.

So you think they're scum

together

?

Right...
What makes you lean towards Emp?

(how come I've never played with you before?)

I don't play that many games.

Geez, TheAd, you have a bizarre fixation with me... Any roads... So, I'm scummy because I suposed I'd be alive for D2? Right...

So, seriously, what's your case against me? First I thought you were just defending Emp, but now I'm seeing that you have something else. Care to share with the class? Or is it your way to free attention from your scumbuddy Emp and target it to me?

Can you actually answer the question?
Why do you want to just ignore zwet for today?

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possibly. Zwet and Empking scum team would be really interesting.

Many scum teams would be "interesting". I was asking you whether you've seen anything that suggests this particular scum team.

I am fairly confident town will win this game.

I'm not sure whether I share your optimism.

For shinnen's case.

Which was what again? Oh right! Policy.

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Empking: You haven't lost a single word about zwet pseudo-hammering you.
Why?

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I enjoy hammering. I've hammered on the page I replaced into a newbie game, and I was town. (I think, as I can't find the game)

Oh, by the way.
I've searched for your newbie games.
There are three finished ones.
One you played from the start, and two you replaced in.
In both games you replaced in you were scum. In one of these two, you quicklynched someone as you replaced (on the page you replaced).
But yeah. You were scum, not town.

You are a liar.

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EBWOP: as you replaced = as you described

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The ball is in your court, zwet.

I'm not going to sift through hundreds of games just to validate a modified version of a claim that I've proven to be false.

If you want to pass off your hammer is null tell, do some work.

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I don't care about "your best examples".

You've just claimed your game from "there was this newbie game" to "look at my normals".

And now you're not willing to back that up either and change your claim YET AGAIN to ongoing games.

[TDC]

man, I'm bad at typing today.. "claimed your game" should be "changed your claim".

[TDC]

Your claim is worthless if you can't back it up.

zwet needs more votes.

[TDC]

Because you claimed that there were past games as well.
Did you lie about that?
Can this behaviour ONLY be observed in ongoing games?

[TDC]

Hammer in this game: April 4th
Your "I enjoy hammering" post: April 7th
Hammer in that game: April 7th, 11 minutes later.

Not necessarily accusing you of highjacking a newbie game.
But I want a game where it happened EARLIER than here.

[TDC]

Self-hammers are totally unrelated to the topic at hand.
Are you trying to scare people from putting you on L-1?

[TDC]

But I want a game where it happened EARLIER than here.

That is, unless you want to claim that this is the game in which you discovered the joy of quicklynching as town.

[TDC]

See, now you're even lying right now, or when you said this:

I enjoy hammering. I've hammered on the page I replaced into a newbie game, and I was town. (I think, as I can't find the game)

[TDC]

You didn't remember whether this was (or would've been) your first quick-lynch as a townie (wrong game perhaps, but whether it happened or not is rather significant)?

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Empking: Why did you think the hammer was null until I checked his story?
I assume you haven't witnessed him doing that before, either.

[TDC]

By the way, since when is this deadline in the topic title? I hadn't noticed it before.

Just two days left, though.

[TDC]

That replacement request coming after such a long time and at the moment where zwet starts to go down tastes funny.

[TDC]

OK seriously? 2 people on L-1?...

Ridiculous...

Empking
-1 Zwet

Grimmy
-1 Zwet

Zwetchenwasser
-1 Emp

ThAdmiral
-1 Zwet

Shinnen_no_Me
-1 Emp

dejkha
-1 Emp
+1 Zwet

TDC
-1 Zwet
+1 Emp

hewitt
-1 Emp

You know what.

Scum have to be on either of these wagons somewhere.

Vote: Empking

Siro's thoughts

Grimmy - T
TDC - ?
ThAd - ?
Empking - ?
Hewitt - T
Zwet - ?
Dej - T
Shin - T

More ?'s are on Zwet's lynch...

This is quite possibly one of the worst hammer posts I've ever seen.
And you, too, haven't warned before hammering as to allow a claim.

[TDC]

Can we lynch zwet now?

[TDC]

Why do you prefer shin to zwet?

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Quite frankly, if zwet isn't scum he's the worst townie I've ever seen.
If Siro isn't scum with zwet, that's the worst hammer I've ever seen (it literally screams "Oh crap, can't have my buddy lynched! I'll invent some bogus reason for voting Emp like that I have no read on the zwet-voters and good feelings about the emp-voters before someone from the emp wagon changes his mind.").

Shinnen's refusal to even discuss zwet yesterday is up there, too. And apparently, she's not interested in doing it today, either.
hewitt/kmd is an outside bet on zwet's partner (see: replacement request).


Point is, all that relies on zwet being scum. If he was town, the siro-hammer would still be bad, but it would lack the scum motive. Similarly what would shin's motive be?

This game would make no sense at all.

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Point is, all that relies on zwet being scum. If he was town, the siro-hammer would still be bad, but it would lack the scum motive.

Hey let's find out.

Vote: Zwet

Point is, all that relies on zwet being scum. If he was town, the siro-hammer would still be bad, but it would lack the scum motive.

Hey let's find out.

Vote: Zwet

What. So you think he's going to be town and hence your hammer is going to be less bad and that's why you vote him?

[TDC]

Meh, copy-pasted the quote into the wrong window.

First quote should've been:

I find Sironigous's hammer post exceptionally scummy.

Unvote; Vote: Sironigous

How so?
I mean I agree that hammering you instead of Emp would've made so much more sense, but I wouldn't expect you to agree.

[TDC]

I don't think the player view of zwet is going to be helpful, seeing how he almost never quotes what he "replies" to.

If you plan to find out why he would've been the better lynch, read the end of the day starting from here: http://www.mafiascum.net/forum/viewtopi ... 55#1597555

[TDC]

Just curious, did you set that up as a trap by saying he was at L-1?

TDC, did you think Emp was at L-1 when you said he was?

It wasn't a trap in particular, I just wanted to see what would happen. I didn't really expect the guy who had just claimed to be uninterested in hammering to hammer.

[TDC]

*shrug*
I read dej's question as asking whether I wanted to trap zwet.

[TDC]

Yes (thought that was obvious by my answer).

Why are you asking?

[TDC]

If we take if for granted that we will lynch zwet who would be the most suspicious if:
1. he came up scum

Yeah, I think Siro would be the best bet for his buddy.

2. he came up town

Meh.

Kmd, how far is your re-read?

[TDC]

What do you mean you looked at the link I gave.
Just that page?
You should at least read the rest of the day from there.

[TDC]

Kmd / Cavebear: Would you have lynched Empking over zwet yesterday, like your predecessors did?

[TDC]

Whom would you've started a wagon on, then?

[TDC]

What do you mean "Aspiring Townie"?
Are you claiming that you're going to be revealed as that?

[TDC]

You believe what exactly?
That he's town?
That he's vanilla?
That he's "Aspiring Townie"?

[TDC]

That's interesting.

Waiting for zwet to confirm that that was indeed a name claim.

[TDC]

You know what, you're right, the wording doesn't live room for anything else.

In that case, I want to congratulate zwet for claiming scum:

5 Citizens received one of the following pms. This was done PER PERSON, therefore, there is a ½ chance that each townie received one of the two pms. This is irrelevant to the game and is only used for flavor purposes only. (Therefore, any combination is possible.)

Citizen
The City of Crimesville... You can’t stand this town. Everyone who you look at seems to stare at you. They all put of some phony front to make themselves look better. They’re all fake...they all make you sick. Sometimes...you want to take a knife and just kill them all. Unfortunately, being the serial killer is still a distant dream. Instead, your just a deranged citizen.

You are a citizen. Unable to slice people open, you’ve decided to be a part of the town’s efforts to rid the town of this “mafia” infestation. Whatever. As long as you get to see corpses hang. You win the game when all anti-town factions have been defeated or when nothing can prevent the same.

Citizen
The City of Crimesville is a wonderful place to live. Afterall, the grass is green, the people friendly, and the street is full of blood...wait...what? With a tragic loss of a beloved mayor, it appears that the true nature of this sick little town has come out as they plan to lynch one of nine people . . . is it the tracker? Afterall, he had plastic surgery. Couldn’t possibly be for his job, he’s suck a bad stalker. Maybe that insane jail keeper who makes up fantasies and mutters to himself while avoiding all human contact. (Well, he has to be one of these people? Argh! Why can you not recall who the others are to find him by process of elimination?) Or is it fellow villagers?

Oh well. You are ready to vote these people away until only good, noble citizens such as yourself, still exist in the town. You win the game when all anti-town factions have been defeated or when nothing can prevent the same.

That's right, knowing one's name is outright impossible.


But why, kmd, are you buying something that's impossible to be true?
I mean other than being his buddy.


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I'd like to hear from Cavebear before we end the day, which is why I'm not hammering yet.

[TDC]

live -> give

[TDC]

Whatever.

I'd like to point out that if one of the remaining townies dies tonight, mass claim will yield guaranteed town win unless the JK targetted the Tracker.

[TDC]

Clarification: Unless the JK targets the Tracker this upcoming night.

[TDC]

Clearly mass claim is the way to go now.

As I've said yesterday, unless the JK jailed the Tracker, we'll have this in the bag.
And IF the JK jailed the Tracker we still reduce the suspect pool to three people and have two chances to lynch right.

This can hardly go wrong.

I propose popcorn with kmd starting.

[TDC]

I just noticed something, we even have a guaranteed win IF the JK jailed the Tracker.. situation then is:

JK
Tracker
3 Townies, one of which is scum

lynch one townie, let JK jail townie A and Tracker track townie B

if A is scum, he can't kill, due to being jailed.
So if anyone dies B is confirmed scum.

So the night ends without kill, next day has 4 alive.
Lynch either A or B. JK jailkeeps the other. Nobody dies again, next day has JK, Tracker and the final "townie".

[TDC]

Obviously, counterclaiming either of the JK or Tracker leads to guaranteed town win, too.
So there really no way we can lose this.

All we need to do (in the worst case where the mass claim doesn't reduce the suspect pool to two anyway) is randomly lynch townies and have the JK jailkeep any unlynched townie.

So, screw claim order.


I'm a Townie.

[TDC]

EBWOP:All we need to do (in the worst case where the mass claim doesn't reduce the suspect pool to two anyway) is randomly lynch townies and have the JK jailkeep any unlynched townie

and announce which one before

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[TDC]

Yes, I think you should get the name where he went.

Not that it really matters though, your target is either the JK or scum, so assuming nobody counterclaims you we can just lynch both your target and whoever claims JK.

[TDC]

Yeah, that all fits together.

vote: ThAdmiral

[TDC]

Out of curiosity, who did you attempt to track N1, dej?

[TDC]

Well, this would've gone very different had Emp been a PR.

[TDC]

I also feel with you. Bussing is really not a good idea in this setup, but when your partner is zwet.. what else can you do?

[TDC]

since TDC appears bored with this game.

Well, more annoyed than bored.

I'm pretty sure zwet would've been lynched without his "blunder" as well.